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Cliff Asness Takes On flag@whitehouse.com And The Orwellian Totallitarian Watch-List

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From: StumblingOnTruth Comments

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:54 AM

To: 'flag@whitehouse.gov'

Cc: 'flagmeobama@gmail.com'

Subject: Flag me! I.e., please put me on your Orwellian totalitarian watch-list as one vigorously opposed to your socialist takeover of health care (as one example of many). Others interested in sending similar emails please see http://flagmeobama.com/

Importance: High

 

Dear Leader and Minions,

The only thing more un-American, anti-freedom, and hypocritical from this administration, that dared to campaign on the prior administration's respect of the constitution, than your attempt to socialize vast swaths of the American economy, is your new attempt to silence your legitimate critics. You have (collectively with your party) called them Nazis, you have lied about their generally peaceful demonstrations while ignoring the incredible hypocrisy of your own brown-shirt like efforts (New Black panther thugs let off the hook by Holder, Code Pink, SEIU and ACORN vigorously disrupting free speech; and just try to give a speech offending the Left on our academically "free" campuses?). Now this explicit effort to have Americans, who happen to disagree with the current people in charge, inform on other Americans to this email address. You all have no shame.

Is anything more certain than if Bush called for this fascist surveillance that the liberal press from the New York Times to the network news to a smirking Jon Stewart (for about 3 weeks straight along with out of context clips) would have skewered him at witch-burning levels even they had not reached, and congressional democrats would have been so apoplectic you'd have seen Nancy Pelosi's face move? Bush asked to have DANGEROUS behavior reported, not dissenting behavior, and you all wanted him impeached.

So, I am a small fish, but a few thousand people read and commented on this essay I've attached a link to (www.stumblingontruth.com). And I've copied them all.

Please print the essay. Read it and learn something and stop your attempted coup d'etat of our free system that will lead to pain and suffering for all the people, but power for yourselves, so I understand giving it up may be tough for you.

If not convinced, roll up the essay, stick it where the collectivist sun does not shine, and then put your name on the waiting list to see the government provided "free" proctologist in 6-12 months. It will give you some small insight into how the American tax-payer feels.

The existence of this monitoring and “informing on thy neighbor” effort is embarrassing to America.

Mr. Obama, tear down this firewall (firewall makes no sense here but the pentameter is beautiful and it's vaguely related to the internet).

- Cliff Asness

Ps. Some fun links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c

http://reason.tv/video/show/obama-to-citizens-on-health-ca

http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/paul-krugman-gets-owned-on-hea

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/white-house-collect-fishy-info-health-reform-illegal-critics-say/

 

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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 08:12 | 32643 BoeingSpaceliner797
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anon #32517, actually if you read DOD's post #31564, you would know he/she is NOT living off of unemployment.  Here, allow me to post the first paragraph of #31564 for your perusal.

"I am in nearing my 3rd month of unemployment with no unemployment check, I doubt I am counted on the Unemployment numbers yet. With clerical errors causing delays, furloughs causing excessive workloads, and the plain incompetence of the gov't, I have yet to have spoken to someone from the California EDD. "

Allow me to now translate for you, DOD has not received a single check from CA EDD.  There was an article in the New York Times within the past 2-3 weeks which enumerated other examples of DOD's plight.

Speaking to your government vs. corporations best interests at heart argument, what happens when government (elected "representation") is captured by corporations and no longer serves the folks who gave the government its power?

 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 13:44 | 33013 Anonymous
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Okay, let me revise my statement.

"You WANT TO AND ARE TRYING TO receive unemployment and you're whining about the government. That is the height of hypocrisy."

What do you mean: "what happens when government is captured by corporations?" We are witnessing it right now. That's one reason all of the bills up for debate are so weak and why people had to fight so hard to even keep the public option on the table. I've been following the progress of this reform throughout the legislative process. Believe it or not, some good things made it into the bills because of the hard work of a few in congress who are not bought and paid for. That's why corporate interests are working so hard to derail reform.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:33 | 31880 Anonymous
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In England, they don't do bone marrow transplants because they don't want to pay for it. How do I know? My wife has 2 patients now that came here because they were denied treatment in England. Where are we going to go?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 18:32 | 32178 D.O.D.
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I hear a lot of people here are going to India these days, cuz it's affordable...

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 21:44 | 32385 MinnesotaNice
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I strongly dislike Sarah Palin... but I even more strongly dislike the idea of flag@whitehouse.com

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 23:32 | 32502 BoeingSpaceliner797
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the email address is set up to facilitate citizens tattling on fellow citizens for disagreeing with the proposal.  since the disagreement with the proposal does not infringe on fellow citizens' rights, isn't that disagreement therefore guaranteed its freedom by the First Amendment and the person espousing the dissent guaranteed from persecution by the same Amendment?  What are you going to tell me next, that they're not being persecuted, they're just being put on a "list"?   Seriously, think about what you wrote and I quote, "The email address setup for monitoring health care lies isnt orwellian."  It's comical that you fail to see the civil liberties implications (and worse) of flag@whitehouse.gov.  BTW, I screwed up and voted for Obama last November so spare me the knee-jerk, "where was I during the Bush years?"  I'll answer that for you, I was trying to get people to wake up then just as I am now.  Our civil liberties have been under assault by the Federal government for a looooooooooong time and just because it is now at the direction of "your" party doesn't make it right.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 23:32 | 32503 BoeingSpaceliner797
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the email address is set up to facilitate citizens tattling on fellow citizens for disagreeing with the proposal.  since the disagreement with the proposal does not infringe on fellow citizens' rights, isn't that disagreement therefore guaranteed its freedom by the First Amendment and the person espousing the dissent guaranteed from persecution by the same Amendment?  What are you going to tell me next, that they're not being persecuted, they're just being put on a "list"?   Seriously, think about what you wrote and I quote, "The email address setup for monitoring health care lies isnt orwellian."  It's comical that you fail to see the civil liberties implications (and worse) of flag@whitehouse.gov.  BTW, I screwed up and voted for Obama last November so spare me the knee-jerk, "where was I during the Bush years?"  I'll answer that for you, I was trying to get people to wake up then just as I am now.  Our civil liberties have been under assault by the Federal government for a looooooooooong time and just because it is now at the direction of "your" party doesn't make it right.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:30 | 31627 Anonymous
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Town Hall Meeting Gives Townspeople Chance To Say Stupid Things In Public

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/town_hall_meeting_gives?utm_source=...

"I fought in Korea, and by God I would do it again," said 76-year-old Ronald Schroyer, who immediately retook his seat.

Best regards,

Econolicious

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:11 | 31833 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Clearly this proves that this guy is part of an unruly Nazi mob who wants to foil the Dems!!

 

Report him to the Great One, my brotha!

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:25 | 32073 Anonymous
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"I fought in Korea, and by God i will do it again"
He is saying that he will fight communists/Obama again. If you ever go back to school take reading comprehension. This country needs it desperately.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 18:58 | 32217 Anonymous
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Hah. Thanks for your reply, saved me from writing it out myself.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 20:02 | 32303 D.O.D.
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Well she didn't fight in Korea, but here is an argument why public town hall meeting are epic fail, yes I get that part too...

http://cfecon.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-solve-all-of-californias.html

"Cuz... on the east coast... they still believe in salvery, made in china, and like that...."

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:30 | 31629 Anonymous
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While in another time, with a different group of people protesting, the idea of referring protest emails to the White House may have seemed threatening, it seems less so now because of the folks who are ranting about how un-american it is.

This is because, at the base of it, the source of their outrage always gives off the impression of being less "the government is trying to control us" and more "the Democrats are going to know what crap rumors we just made up and started spreading on late-night talk radio."

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:34 | 31636 Anonymous
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of course they are just scared that their lies will get blown up in their face and put out on display to show was asshats they are.

Such quality information as "The health care symbol looks like the Nazi Sign - Rush Limballs" and "Your child will be put infront of a death panel" should be allowed to run freely, unchecked. Dont you get it?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:38 | 31640 Screwball
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Doing a little background on Mr. Asness, I found this:

Prior to co-founding AQR Capital Management, Cliff was at Goldman, Sachs & Co. where he was a Managing Director and Director of Quantitative Research for the Asset Management Division. Cliff and his team at Goldman were responsible for building quantitative models to add value in global equity, fixed income and currency markets for Goldman clients and partners.

Somehow, I feel skeptical about anything someone from Goldman tells me, alum or current.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:52 | 31671 Anonymous
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And all of the sudden, TD quotes a Goldman insider as gospel. What hypocrisy.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:08 | 31701 Anonymous
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He hasn't worked at Goldman in years. Get a grip.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:27 | 32079 Anonymous
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Neither did Paulson

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:10 | 31704 Anonymous
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You know he's been so vociferous lately its like he's trying to get attention with the health care debate to avoid something else?..just posturing

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 09:13 | 32679 Anonymous
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Congrats Nancy Drew, you found that the guy workeded for Goldman 11 years ago. Bet your little lib friends really patted your ass for that one. What, did you "google" him? Comes up immediately and is in his bio on his own website where you got it, so doesn't sound like you did so much "background" there Nancy or that he's hiding it (why should he?).

On the same "hit" you also find he's on the board of the International Rescue Committee which gives away a ton to help mostly African refugees survive another day. How dare that son of a bitch claim to be a libertarian when he's helping the poor. Nancy, you should've nailed him for that one.

You libs are so sickening. He writes something about big brother scumbags, and you Nancy, with 3 seconds of effort, act like a big brother scumbag, and are a stupid lazy one at that.

Bye Nancy.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:40 | 31645 Anonymous
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So Cliffy-Boy-who-couldn't-make-a-dime-running-a-hedge-fund-now-runs-mutual-funds once again demonstrates why he's incapable of dispassionate discourse and emotionally unattached nuanced thinking required to function not only in the markets but in society at large. I didn't think Goldman Sachs hired such whiny, emotional little girls. I was wrong.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 09:18 | 32683 Anonymous
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Pretty sure "Cliffy" has done well, but forget that as it's an irrelevant distraction vs. whether what he wrote is good or not. IMHO, the piece he wrote is angry, but it's incredibly well written, cogent, and exceptionally funny not whiny.

And what's wrong with being a girl? Are they emotionally less mature? You politically incorrect misogynist bastard.

And as for dispassionate, read his DISCLAIMER #1, where he tells you not only is he a libertarian/objectivist, but he writes in an angry sarcastic style, and you shouldn't read anymore if you don't like those.

But, since you didn't read any of it, you probably didn't read his honest disclaimer either.

Moron liar.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:41 | 31649 Anonymous
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This is how totalitarianism begins, it creeps out of the shadows. People sleep and it arrives on doorsteps and through half- opened windows.

The rage and incoherence are used to justify it. Totalitarianism then stimulates more rage and incoherence. A vicious cycle, indeed.

The system is breaking down, this is how the breakdown manifests itself. People who will need medical treatment raging against ... medical treatment!

Logic dies first. Whom the gods seek to punish they first make mad.

Healthcare insurance 'reform' is a done deal. More money will flow from the productive persons toward the corporations as per usual. The scheme will continue until it breaks down, Obama will jump in a plane and fly to Paris for exile. He will join Geithner, Bair, Bernanke, Pelosi, Gingrich, Limbaugh and Beck @ Hard Rock Cafe in Montmartre to laugh and reminisce about the 'Good Ol' Days' of easy (printed) money. This is while the unfortunates who couldn't escape, hedge fund managers, oil traders, economists, Senators, Congressmen and 'tycoon enablers' of all sorts swing from tree branches and lampposts up and down the East Coast.

Don't forget Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Microsoft Alley.

A few years ago I was in Peru after the Fujimori government collapsed. It was eerie to walk by big government ministry buildings with boarded up windows ... guards with machine guns, dudes buying and selling dollars on the streets.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:42 | 31654 Anonymous
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Again, where were all this "indignant" morons when the patriot act was signed, basically giving all your rights to privacy away? And half these pathetic pawns for the fat one are on Medicaire, ask them if they want to that taken away...

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:53 | 31672 Anonymous
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Strawman much?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:32 | 31878 Anonymous
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So in the minds of wingnuts it's the same thing to send pictures of Freedomwatch staffers who show up at multiple townhalls to disrupt them as it was for the Bush administration to tap millions of phones without a warrant?

See, this is why the insane republican party's poll numbers are slightly lower then ebola's.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:04 | 31693 Anonymous
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So by your logic, because Bush stole our rights we should let Obama do the same thing? Get a clue, get over the left vs. right, Republican vs. Democrat paradigm. Both parties are working to make you a slave. I will fight them both every chance I get.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:18 | 31720 Anonymous
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Where were you went Clinton signed NAFTA?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:44 | 31660 Anonymous
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Moronic and infantile dribble, ZH is about to learn a lesson about what happens to your hits when you become an echo chamber for nut-cases (I cite the the truly insane comment above as an example).

"A more effective form of communication would be one that exits a long tube travelling at well more than the speed of sound, perhaps double or, if you really want to send a statement, triple that."

Really? Like shooting someone? Glad my people aren't so juvenile that they resort to calls for shooting people when politics doesn't go their way Have fun listening to yourselves whackos!

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:48 | 31668 Anonymous
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i thought glenn beck told them not to shoot people, oh yeah, after calling everyone facist nazi's that want to murder your children.

the right is well versed in violent rhetoric and fast CYA to deflect any possible blowback to dismiss it as "i told them not to do this, after making them go raving mad"

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:49 | 31669 Anonymous
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The right wing radio has almost openly called for the use of firearms against Obama. That this is being tolerated shows how lenient this adminsitration is (can you imagine what would have happened if anyone on the left media suggested shooting Bush? Instant Patriot act arrest). I say lock them up and teach them the word treason. Its one thing to debate and vote, but violent overthrow is not democracy.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:55 | 31678 Anonymous
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Ha , they said everything about bush , they even made a movie about a murder on him .

Obama is worse than Bush in every way, and you know it .

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:00 | 31686 Anonymous
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They? Which left wing radio or TV host suggested that?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:38 | 31895 Anonymous
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Who is "they"?

As for Obama being worse then Bush, has Obama lied us into a huge costly war yet? Has he wiped his ass with the Bill of Rights yet? He has tossed a shit load of debt on our country, but before getting on your high horse about that, keep in mind that Bush managed to tack on 5 trillion(he doubled our debt) to that number during his term. Bush was the worst president this country has EVER had. My dog would be a better president then Bush, and my dog has been dead for 3 years.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:49 | 31919 Anonymous
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Yes.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:19 | 32242 Anonymous
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Has Obama left Iraq? Do you see ANY intentions of him leaving Afghanistan? Last I checked he is ramping up to send more troops into the battlefield (after already having sent more in the past.) Where are his promises of leaving the battlefield? You leave the battlefield by sending 40k more boots to the warzone? Please, he is a liar equal to and/or far worst than Bush.

He inherited a high deficit. Ok, fix it, we voted you in because you promised you would fix it without raising taxes (good luck with that now.) Please don't come and tell me you didn't KNOW what Bush was doing to the economy, it was obvious during his lame duck session. I'm not stupid enough to believe anything else you tell me about that. Yet, you come into office, run up our deficit to what is looking like near double what Bush did and call that change?

Don't you retarded dems get it? He is no better than Bush, the blues are no better than reds. You are being lied to and you lap it up just because he's in your party! WTF is this? Monday Night Football? Let's go team!? I can never look at any blues without feeling sorry for your sad pathetic selves. As I can't look at any reds without shaking my head at the ignorance that has caused their party to nearly self-destruct. How about we remember what America was about from its inception? How about we go back to that? How about we forget about democrats, republicans, libertarians and all the rest of the labeled political packages and, for once in this century, try to be Americans?

That would be a nice change. Wholly impossible at this junction of ignorance of course. But it would have been good for all posterity and human health. The truth is... well, the truth is Obama said it wrong, allow me to correct him:

"Yes, we can't"

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:07 | 31700 Anonymous
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oBot Corps = Dick Army

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:32 | 32094 Anonymous
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There have been two cases of guns at the town halls. In Memphis, TN and Douglas AZ. Not used yet.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:57 | 31683 Anonymous
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You're the same guy who is posting all the anti comments above. I recognize your style. Typical liberal:

1. No debate on Obama's birth certificate.
2. No debate on global warming.
3. No debate on Bush being a weally, weally bad man.
4. No debate on anything unless you say so.

You so, are a gutless coward and I would love to wipe the plains of west Texas with your cowardly ass. Bring it.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:12 | 31712 Anonymous
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The fact you even bring up the birth certificate makes the rest of anything you say moot.

What about the republican congressman that signed onto the 'birther' bill that is refusing to show HIS birth certificate. lolz.

You guys are a funny crowd

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:16 | 31718 Anonymous
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that makes sense to you?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:23 | 31729 Anonymous
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no, it doesnt make sense that a congressman that signed onto the birther bill refuses to show his own BC.

it only makes sense because the GOP is full of hippocrytes

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 22:47 | 32452 Anonymous
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but at least they can spell.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:31 | 31744 Anonymous
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I usually wouldn't stoop to your level, but I am on lunch and I haven't been down to the sub-basement in a while.

First things first, "No debate on Obama's birth certificate". Your right. WHY? Because debating something that is totally settled, document proven, attested by the Republican Governor of Hawaii, would make me either a spit-dribbling, knuckle-dragging moron or a crazy person. Which are you? Even the craven, bat-s**t crazy Ann Coutler would stand behins this lunacy.

Next we have this statement, "No debate on global warming". Again, you are right. WHY? Because disagreeing with 99% of the scientific community, which is in near total agreement, would make me either a toothless, cousin f**king twit or a crazy person. Which are you? Sure the oil companies can buy off some spineless half-wit to do their commercials, but if you weight them again the option of scientists as a whole, they do not exist statistically.

"No debate on Bush being a weally, weally bad man." Sigh. Did you miss the war we fought on false pretenses? The lack of any financial sector oversight? The massive tax-cuts for the most wealthy Americas (while shipping lower and middle class jobs overseas)? The ruination of the worlds largest economy? The corruption of the DOJ? The disaster at the State department? The Cronyism? The Nepotism? Probably so, but that just means that you are an nostril-mining invalid who's too busy "drillin'" to read a paper.

And finally the coup de grace - "no debate on anything unless you say so" If there were any punctuation to your moronic diatribe, this would be the exclamation point on the end of comment that can only can only be summarized as "I am stupid!" No debate on anything? Really? Because my guys aren't the people who are shouting down town halls to prevent people from learning about the health plan. We have debated, and will continue to do so. When my people were out of power, they debated, got the populace behind and changed election at the ballet box. They didn't threaten to shoot people or talk of revolution - the used the constitution you f**king moron, in the way it was intended by the people who founded this country.

SO, in conclusion, let me say it is you who are not only a gutless coward, but a really really f**king stupid one at that.

AND PS - I am from North Carolina chump, and you dumb Texans are more common than dogs**t, so if you want to find something to wipe your mouth on, just look down around your feet.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:45 | 31769 Anonymous
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good one -- i didnt have the time to do that. I stopped at the BC, when the Birther Bill rep wont even provide his own....

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:16 | 31848 Anonymous
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hayseed

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:37 | 31892 Anonymous
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Greta fucking post. Nailed it. Can zero get back to being a financial site and move away form the crackpot basement dwellers?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:38 | 31893 Anonymous
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Ummm, whats wrong with west Texas ?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:21 | 32244 Anonymous
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Texas might as well go ahead and secede.

Why wait for the fallout? Amerika is dead.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:11 | 31708 Anonymous
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Yes, that is where we are headed when our leaders ram bills down our throats. Remember the bailouts? Now they are going to ram healthcare. This isn't a government of or for the people. That leaves the people will little choice other than violence.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:44 | 31907 Anonymous
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Um, there was a choice back in November. It was called an election. The republicans lost it big time. Now you are all hysterical and talking about how you need to "take back your country" just because you lost ONE election. It hasn't even been a whole year yet and the entire base of the republican party has had a psychotic break.

Here's a protip for you: Not getting your way is not the same thing as being "opressed". Elections have consequences.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:52 | 31926 Anonymous
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You are so bad as a propagandist.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:24 | 31982 Anonymous
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Which is the propagandist, the one telling Grandma that the democrats are gonna come kill her in her bed, or the one telling grandma to turn off Fox News because Glenn Beck is just a loudmouthed nutjob trying to scare her?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:13 | 31839 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Yawn..........

 

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:22 | 32246 Anonymous
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+1

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:48 | 31666 Printfaster
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I am finally seeing through what the administration is attempting to do with the healthcare initiative:  Monetize the Service Employees International Union.

It turns out that they are at the root of healthcare nationalization.  They are the ones that empty wastebaskets and move gurneys in the hospitals.  They want to remove volunteers, like they did in NYC, and then perform less work themselves:  "not my job".

In the end patients will die with the SEIC servicing hospitals, because they will refuse to pick up trash, neglect washrooms, never dust ledges, neglect food service, and keep hospital beds and rooms clean.  If they don't refuse, they will make it so that their services result are too expensive.

The end result is poor sanitation which leads to patient death through infection.

SEIU just wants more pie.

Of course all of this will result in better healthcare cost control since patients will be dropping away, in spite of the higher labor costs.

I have seen what the SEIU has done to formerly aseptic hospitals.  Shame on them.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:11 | 31710 Anonymous
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I can see the busloaods leaving the nursing homes now.
"Tiajuana or Bust"
See ya'

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:53 | 31674 Anonymous
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TD I appreciate the post, but anything political brings out the liberal radicals to protect their far left president. Not much different than what happened in the 1920s and 1930s in Italy, Germany and Russia. Look what happened to those countries afterwards. The financial junkies that read your blog for information will be overwhelmed by the Movepn.org types.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:57 | 31679 Tyler Durden
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if nothing else, it is amusing to see just who reads sometimes.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:05 | 31694 Anonymous
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Who's not reading anymore.....

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:21 | 31725 Gilgamesh
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Can only hope that the new people here getting paid-by-the-post happen to like some of these flashy ads.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:45 | 31909 Printfaster
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Interesting.

What this points out is how politicized everything, down our choice of toothepaste everything has become.  What is fascinating are the drive bys who with one liner try to deflate debate.

What are your thoughts Tyler on how to manage fight club?  US society as a whole is looking more and  more like Germany of the 20s adn 30s where roving gangs of communists and national socialists would do battle daily with their street marches, each trying to disrupt the other.

 

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:59 | 31937 Tyler Durden
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agreed on 1. on 2, chaos is unmanageable. at best, one can sit back and watch it in action... eventually.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:49 | 31918 Anonymous
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Tyler, I know there is more money in being a Limbaugh clone, Wall street version, but c'mon man, you are going tol ose the real traders here.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:57 | 31932 Tyler Durden
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sometimes i underestimate how political WS can be.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:47 | 31915 Anonymous
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So the liberal left brought out fascism in Germany and Italy? I thought it was the banking collapse (Wall street 1929 under a republican president) and steep reparation demands by the French and English at Versailles. In fact, FDR was elected in 1933 and Hitler took power in 1933, so the "left" in America came to power just in time to avoid the same fate in our country, with the same right wing republican nutcases promoting Nazi Germany in our country (Prescott Bush et al.).

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:27 | 31988 Anonymous
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Shh, right wingers don't like facts. Facts are scary things to them.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:32 | 32254 Anonymous
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and yet it's your party that has what can rightly be called the most fascist president in American history. I am not saying he is fully down that route (yet,) but surely you cannot deny the fact that in the previous few months since he has taken office (or power if you prefer) that he has made a lot of decisions that would have made Mussolini proud.

Of course, Mussolini was shot in the end, so I guess we really can't ask him if he is proud of Obama.

Pity.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 22:53 | 32458 Anonymous
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Name one decision that is "fascist".

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 09:22 | 32690 Anonymous
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Cynically using the simulacrum "town hall meeting" (a real American tradition of local expression) to put lipstick on a pig, force the people to eat it, and thank you m'am for it.
This is at best a Dem. focus group paid for with public funds, and at worst the avant of something truly wicked this way comes.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:54 | 31675 Doobie Keebler
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I think you meant to post this on USENET misc.invest.stocks.

(Isn't that where all the freepers post their investment commentary?)

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:28 | 31737 Anonymous
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Somke 'me if you got 'em, doob. FYI, there is a new anti-vaccination post over on Huffpo. Go REC it.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:06 | 31816 Doobie Keebler
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Yah, yah, and I heard the old people are eating all our seed corn, too (lol!)

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:07 | 31699 Anonymous
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is there anybody on the face of the planet that still thinks posting here and there and sending emails is anonymous

theyve got your IP address 'right here' as we used to say in new york...if they and when they want em

btw, following up with information counter to the 'alleged" lies about hr 3200 being spread around by the neo-cons (health panel will decide who lives and who dies etc nonsense) is not brown shirt activity...its uip front

wiretapping all domestic ph calls and emails without fisa..thats your 1984 if ya wanna know

best wishes
mock turtle

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:14 | 31717 Anonymous
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in reviewing many of the posts above it would seem that Acorn has dispatched a team of zombie posters -

ZH it would seem you have been "flagged"

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:20 | 31724 Cheeky Bastard
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you people are funny in arguing who did a better job ruining your country. absolutely hilarious from foreigners perspective

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:33 | 31749 Doobie Keebler
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Do you have perhaps have a bit of room out in the dales for an old farm boy from Wisconsin? I'm afraid nearly all my good countrymen have lost thier friggin' marbles, and as you say, have fallen into bickering over who killed whom. . .

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:57 | 31796 Cheeky Bastard
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no problem, just bring some beer

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:33 | 32256 Anonymous
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You allow guns in your country? :P

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 20:47 | 32336 Cheeky Bastard
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actually it is prescribed by law that you MUST have at least one rifle and one automatic weapon in your home for every male above the age 18

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:21 | 31726 Anonymous
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The liberal wingnuts usually don't comment much on this site. Today they are out in droves. I wonder who organized the campaign?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:24 | 31731 Anonymous
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could just be the outlandishness and stupidity that is being displayed here.

maybe they are mad and are pushing back the same way grandma that thinks shes going to be executed for a bum hip is trying to, but at least packing facts and not misleading PR crap from Conservatives for Patient Rights and Rick Scott

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:31 | 31745 Gilgamesh
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Right, because most members of ACORN, SEIU, et al are frequent readers of and contributors to ZeroHedge.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:40 | 31757 Anonymous
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all i read was gibberish.

maybe there are some sane people out there, that arent whipped up by CPR or the big bad boogey man that is ACORN (which Bush also funded)

Stop using these Strawman's and be reasonable if possible.

The talk here is so dumb it is sad that it comes from a usually, informative blog

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:05 | 31946 Anonymous
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Bingo.

There's only so much stupidity a person can stand before they have to say something. There's only so many times you can read some breathless wacko talking about Obama's birth certificate or their paranoid delusions about healthcare before you HAVE to say something.

On the flip side, it is fun to watch the extreme right wing just go into a complete meltdown. The modern republican party is dying and these are it's death throes.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:10 | 31828 Doobie Keebler
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>> The liberal wingnuts. . .

I resent that: I'm much more than a wingnut.

Heck, I'm much more than hexogonal.

In fact, I'm actually quite orthogonal.

I'm sure we could sort it all out over a few beers.

Waddaya say?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:38 | 31896 Anonymous
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I agree. I was thinking myself that the Whitehouse must have a room full of interns that they have directed to do nothing but comment on message boards.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:55 | 31930 GoldmansSack
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I think I saw one of them wearing a swastika...

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:33 | 31747 Anonymous
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For all the birthers here - what *exactly* would make you believe Obama was born in Hawaii? I mean this seriously.

Love,

Pinko Nutjob and Limousine Liberal

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:36 | 31751 Doobie Keebler
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Are you kiding me?

They could stand on the banks of the Potomac and watch Obama walk on water with thier own eyes, yet then complain that he can't swim.

 

The short answer to your question is 'nothing'.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:41 | 31759 Anonymous
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Messianic fervor still strong eh?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 22:14 | 32419 Doobie Keebler
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Not at all. I'm not a 'sheeple', I'm simply pointing out the extreme degree of partisanship roiling civil discussion in this country.

For most 'birthers', even if the hand of God Almighty were to part the heavens and He were to inscribe "Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen" in stone before their very eyes, they would still doubt.

For extreme partisans it's not a discussion, its a shouting match. There is no "proof" that will change opinions, the matter is settled (in their minds.)

This madness will continue until it burns itself out (e.g. "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?")

Palin's recent comments bring the GOP perilously close to 1950 all over again: By the end of 1953, McCarthy had altered the "twenty years of treason" catchphrase he had coined for the preceding Democratic administrations and began referring to "twenty-one years of treason" to include Eisenhower's first year in office.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Herblock1950.jpg

And so, meanwhile, we keep our kids safe, our capital preserved, and hope the whole shebang doesn't go to hell in a hand-basket.

.-=d00b

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:56 | 31790 Anonymous
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Some of us don't believe he can walk on water.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:54 | 31787 Anonymous
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Same thing we all have to do...simply show the certificate of live birth. He can't do it because he's a GD illegal.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:26 | 31866 Anonymous
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It doesn't matter, you need not be legalistic, he spent most of his time outside the country soaking up Marxism. He is an internationalist, only cares about this country enough to rip it off. Has appointed only amoral cronies and crooks, and himself is a really bad con man. Anyone who pushes his massive government programs(just here to help you, cuz I, too, love your kids) is a simple tool.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:07 | 31953 Anonymous
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They did that about 8 months ago. Birthers just refuse to believe it because they are insane.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:21 | 31973 Anonymous
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Early Hawaii, very tenuous dude, very tenuous, think your hanging on by a thread there.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:41 | 32006 Anonymous
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Early Hawaii?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:39 | 32262 Anonymous
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You might want to look further into that... if you care that is, which I know you don't since most libs take everything at face value.

I have seen good evidence that that was a fake.

Of course I'm not a birther, I don't care really about all of that crap. I am far more concerned with what he is doing to this country.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 21:50 | 32387 Anonymous
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There is no good evidence that it's a fake. If you know of any, what is it?

BTW, I'll give you some wingnut style points for how you made a jab at liberals, made an empty claim to support your birther fantasy, then denied being a birther all in one post.

It takes a lot of practice to reach that level of skill. lol

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:35 | 31750 Anonymous
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Btw - Let's end socialized medicine and ABOLISH MEDICADE AND MEDICARE. As a 30 something, full time employed/insured person I have no desire to fund the extension of life for the most unproductive members of our society.

I'm being serious here. You don't get rid of rats by feeding them.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:37 | 31753 Doobie Keebler
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Right on!

 

After which, we should abolosh socialized driving by dismantling the interstate freeway system.

 

 

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:38 | 31755 Anonymous
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Yes. I live in a city, don't own a car, and don't see why I should pay for people in Kansas to have a nice road to drive their SUV on.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:43 | 31764 Anonymous
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then I guess us not in a city like NYC or San Fran shouldn't have to help cover any rail systems.

mine mine mine ::whaaaahhhh:: thats all I hear from ya.

Lead the fight to abolish Medicare, and then the GOP will REALLY be killing grandma and grandpa instead of lying to them that the Dem's are planning to kill them with a death board.

PLEASE lead the Abolish Medicare Fight, I beg of you

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:47 | 31774 Anonymous
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That's what this is - a fight to abolish entitlements masked as a revolt against the Obamacare.. Once we're done with Obamacare we need to go after Medicade. It is a waste of money and a massive wealth transfer to the least productive members of society. Silly liberals, the free markets will fix healthcare.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 22:08 | 32300 georgetown (not verified)
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ol yeah, but can you really call it abolished if it is just really expanded in the end?

my newest bookmarked finance website ..

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:11 | 31832 D.O.D.
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Yeah, those bridges are a work of modern art, I like what they have to say about the deterioration of modern society, and the decay of the human condition.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:38 | 31754 Anonymous
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Please don't lose your credibility by posting such political nonsense. There's a reason ex-long term GOPers have left the party to turn independent and this silliness is a perfect example. Stick to the market.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:01 | 31804 Anonymous
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Obama attemtping to turn citizens on each other(and in turn emabarrassing himself and our country) is arguably the most relevant thing happening in our society right now. Most political nonsense is just that, but this is actually different. Obama has lost his cool...he's blown his cover, and looks a lot like what his critics were saying all along...to quote Dennis Green, "HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!"

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:55 | 32289 Apocalypse Now
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Let's ask Ayn Rand what she thinks:

  • The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time.
  • Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
  • Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals -- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government -- that it is not a charter _for_ government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection _against_ the government.
  • Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgement and nothing can help you escape it -- that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life.
  • When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed.
  • Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
  • The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time.
  • The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights...

This woman was a genius, and she seems to have glimpsed the future.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 21:58 | 32398 Anonymous
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Actually she was a wacky cult leader. She tried to turn selfishness into a religion. Oddly enough, Alan Greenspan was a member.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:13 | 33385 Apocalypse Now
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Actually she was a philosopher, and based her views on human nature.

There is Good, Self-Interest/Self-Preservation as a default survival instinct, and then Evil.

Your comment was both flippant and flaccid.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:48 | 31779 Anonymous
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End socialized medicine! Abolish Medicade NOW!

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:17 | 31850 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Its Medicaid, you dolt.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:46 | 32009 D.O.D.
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"Abolish Medicade NOW!"

It's in the works, just wait till the end of the year....

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:42 | 32268 Anonymous
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lol yeah, but can you really call it abolished if it is just really expanded in the end?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 14:49 | 31781 Anonymous
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Let's flood the email with fake reports,

let's do a DOS attack on them

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:02 | 31806 Anonymous
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Don't blame the WWF on this. The difference between fiction and reality is fiction must make sense. Go Rick Flare

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 18:53 | 32209 Tao Jonesing
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Actually, I think you meant "don't blame the WWE," the fake wrestling enterprise that was forced to change its name by the real WWF, the World Wildlife Fund, which deserves to be blamed for everything.  They have said for years that they want to kill your grandma to make more room for pandas and organic farming.  This should come as no surprise given that the WWF was formed by a Kenyan 48 years ago. 

Whoa.  Wait a minute.  Does that mean . . .

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:03 | 31809 Anonymous
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Wow-I didn't realize I had tumbled onto nutbags.com. Stop letting the right and left wing rhetoric rot your minds.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:07 | 31818 Dr Hackenbush
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Mission Accomplished!  the admin wanted to scare the crap out of all the Grannies out there - and it worked to some extent.  

TJ wrote: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Keep your powder dry. 

 

 

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:07 | 31820 Anonymous
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This thread is a good example of how we got in a mess, with plenty of name-calling and at least one death threat. Everyone is smug and entrenched. Ship of fools.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:09 | 31826 Anonymous
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Ridiculous post. Made-up issue. WTF happened to this blog?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:19 | 31827 airplanes (not verified)
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I am in nearing my 3rd month of unemployment with no unemployment check, I doubt I am counted on the Unemployment numbers yet. With clerical errors causing delays, furloughs causing excessive workloads, and the plain....sorry to hear about that..we are all thinking of you.

says "

recommended: my newest bookmarked finance site: http://www...

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:16 | 31847 Anonymous
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if you consider the Souf Side of Chicago and Pelosi's attempts to look like Joan Rivers/Steven Tyler "successes" then yes, you should embrace our glorious leader's new healthcare reform.

Our enlightened and glorious leader cares more what the goat leader of Iran or the pineapple faced thug of Venezuela thinks than his own country's people, that should tell you something

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:25 | 31864 kosherenchiladas
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I really hope this kind of post doesn't represent what kind of site zerohedge plans on becoming in the future. This was very poorly thought out. And not even close to funny. Shame on you Mr. Durden.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:23 | 31979 Apocalypse Now
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Anybody that says, "Shame on you", and provides no argument, fact, or detail should be ashamed.  You have the IQ of a non-Kosher enchilada.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:44 | 32271 Anonymous
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damn you!

must... have... enchilada... now...

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:29 | 31868 Anonymous
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This thread is about Flag.Gov and the Marxist come in an scream about Town Halls.

There wouldn't be any town halls if Obumbler had his way. He expected his Marxist majority to ram it through like every other bill before reading it.

Instead even the Blue Marxist couldn't follow this Fascist take over so here we are, talking about Town halls instead of the Nazi snitch site.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:33 | 31879 Anonymous
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super lolz.

get back on free republic.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:54 | 31929 Anonymous
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Get back on dailykos.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 15:51 | 31925 Anonymous
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Not a Freeper only stopped there once after a google search.

You have something against a Free Republic? Must be a Nazi Cow.

What kind of loser would be for Government to dictate their healthcare?

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:14 | 31965 Anonymous
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What kind of nutjob thinks that having a public plan similar to Medicare that you PAY to get into would lead to the government dictating health care? Probably the same kind of nutjob that thinks Obama's birth certificate isn't real or that Sarah Palin sounds intelligent.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:21 | 31974 Anonymous
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What kind of nutjob thinks Medicare is any kind of model for another massive government plan which cannot possibly be paid for? Probably the same kind of kook that thinks Bush did 911 or that John Edwards is trustworthy.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:36 | 32001 Anonymous
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Did you miss the part about PAYING for access to a public option? The reason the right wing are throwing a hissy fit about the public option is because the insurance industry doesn't want someone killing their golden goose. That's what happens if they have a large competitor. So they frame the health care debate in political terms and immediately the brain dead fools on the far right begin screaming the talking points of the insurance industry.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:39 | 32003 Anonymous
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Because Medicare is self-funding? ROFL.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:45 | 32115 Anonymous
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The public option largely would be. And don't forget the main reason for a public option, competition. The big insurance companies don't want the competition. It would be a shame if they hard to start actually providing a good value to their customers or lose them.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:31 | 31993 Anonymous
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He may or may not be a nut-job but he is certainly a Fascist.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:39 | 32108 vf4 (not verified)
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agree

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:36 | 31999 Anonymous
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With this, you guys have all wandered off into "FreeperLand nutzville".

How many of you are building a weapons cache in the backyard? Stockpiling canned food and bottled water for the coming race wars? Looking up everytime a chopper passes overhead expecting it to be one of the "black helicopters" you've been planning and hoping for?

Good luck with all that. The credibility of ZeroHedge is taking some serious whackage from this lunacy.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:58 | 32294 Anonymous
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Define lunacy.

I mean, when will you get it that everyone in the world is NOT a good person. That power corrupts at the moment and continues to corrupt heavily over time. When will you realize that the founding fathers of this country understood that perfectly well, so much so that they gave us the 2nd amendment? Have you ever read the 2nd amendment fully or did you stop at the words: "bear arms?" That specific amendment is in there so that we (the people) would have the opportunity to protect ourselves from the very evil that has always corrupted governments throughout history. Is it lunacy to hope for the best and prepare for the worst?

I dunno, that sounds like healthy logic to live life by, in all of its myriad facets, to me. To close yourself off to every possibility without giving them a probability rating is not just foolhardy, but downright retarded. And there is always a chance, in probability, of power corrupting and causing government to withdraw freedoms. Don't believe me? Get off of acorn.org and do a little more historical reading. The past is ripe with instances of such abuse, betrayal, and eventual civil or world war.

Still don't get it? Then you never will and most true (NOT read: Republicans) American's are wasting their time trying to wake you up.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 22:04 | 32406 Anonymous
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I don't think the Founding Fathers quite had the freepers in mind when they wrote the 2nd amendment. All the wingnuts are talking about revolutions and seceding from the union and all sorts of bat shit crazy nonsense all because THEY LOST AN ELECTION. Boo fucking hoo. Cry me a river you little pussies. Go change your shorts and come back and try again in 4 years.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:44 | 32008 Anonymous
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Deflection, non securdor's, personal attacks. Can't win the debate so the Saul Alinski type rabble rouser spins off in twelve directions.

Saul must be spinning in his grave.

I'll bet Soro's is paying this loser by the post.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:58 | 32133 chunkylover42
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it's "non-sequitors"

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:47 | 32010 Anonymous
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Fascist?

Yep those libertarians with their small government ideas, and their strong aversion to telling other people what to do, they are really fascist.

The new liberal definition of a fascist - somebody who doesn't want to pay for something I want with their money without their permission.

Hilarious.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 19:29 | 32251 Apocalypse Now
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Great comment

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:54 | 32024 Anonymous
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Anyone who believes that the people attending these town hall meetings are there for honest debate is a fool. They are encouraged by sites like freerepublic.com and FOX news, frighteed and filled with fear and misinformation. To suggest when liberals encourage their supporters turn out as well is somehow bullying or a brown shirt tactic is pathetic and hypocritical (nothing new for the right ofcourse.) Fact remains that most want healthcare reform. I feel sorry for those misinformed who don't even realize they are mislead and working to aid insurance companies that would fuck them over in a heartbeat given the chance.

Let me explain something the right wing may not have yet grasped. You LOST. Get over it.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 20:13 | 32311 Anonymous
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You are far more correct than you realize.

Only, in your (low IQ) nature, you failed to grasp what is even more obvious than the right wing having lost.

Here, let my amazing 177 IQ enlighten you:

The right wingers didn't lose. The left wingers didn't win. We all have lost. Every one of us. It's just that some of us have figured it out faster than others (the high IQ thing again.)

Oh, and while I am already in the process of correcting you, let me include the fact that it's written: "frightened" -- stop waiting for the fed to send you a new keyboard with a correctly functioning "n" key and go buy one. Or use Obamacare to fix your fingers (6 to 9 month wait.)

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 22:17 | 32422 Anonymous
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Protip: If you go around telling people you have a high IQ, chances are you don't. The spelling flame provides easy support for this principle.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:57 | 32029 Anonymous
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"We" are broke? Nope the US government is broke. Many corporations are broke. So what? we live in a global marketplace. Didnt you hear? There are at least 50 million Americans thriving right now; and most legitimately (not counting government employees, wall street criminals, lawyers). There are now 300 million ChIndians that entered the global middle class. Bottom line? Hundreds of millions of ChIndians, tens of millions of euro's, and tens of millions of americans that are now thriving. Relatively, man tens of millions of Americans are in Relative decline. Japan, India, China won. Many americans lost. Game over. I feel no more loyalty to the American welfare recipient in the housing project waiting to steal/rob/kill me than I do to the Chinese who became a mechaniacl engineer to produce product for me cheaply. America has 150 million 3rd world people that I dont identify with; because we live in the same 500 million acres, I am supposed to be loyal to them? More so than the Indian software developer?

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