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Complete Ron Paul Highlights From Last Night's New Hampshire Debate

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While last night's republican debate was at best a complete waste of 2 hours, and at worst something not even fit for the pages of Zero Hedge (and we have very low standards - Zero "low hanging fruit" Hedge is what we are often been called), there was 20 minutes worthy of popular attention, and all of them belonged to Ron Paul. The Texas anti-Fed crusader presented his rational opinion, substantiated by actual fact and, more shockingly, math, glaringly standing out from the herd. Alas, since America always and without fail elects precisely the candidate it so rightfully deserves, it pains us to conclude that Paul has zero chance at the presidency. That said, we hope to convert at least one additional human to his cause by presenting the complete highlight reel from yesterday. Yes it is commercial- and other candidate-free so the signal to noise ratio is not seppuku inducing.


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Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:31 | 1369451 Tunga
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Good show. Thanks for the fruit. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:32 | 1369455 bob_dabolina
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The most resounding statement Ron Paul made was 

"Why can't we opt out of the system and take care of ourselves?" 

I thought that was perfect. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:39 | 1369462 I am Jobe
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RP speaks the truth and it is unfortunate that the masses don't understand him and what he stands for. Americans vote their hearts and not their minds period. RP will fix the USA.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:39 | 1369600 cossack55
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Wrong. amerikans vote for someone else to fill their empty wallets so they can sit on their fat, lazy, stupid fuckin' asses and watch mindless drivel on their 60" flat screens.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:11 | 1369854 lizzy36
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I am not sure Americans vote with their hearts. And not sure about their minds.

What they seem to vote for is the easy answers, the easy money, and the individual that they would like to sit around their kitchen table.

You start talking increasing taxes, decreasing services, and they shut their minds, and go directly to the one who wants to ban gay marriage (or whatever side issue captures their fancy that day).

The sad fact is more Americans, know who snooki and kim karadashin and what they ate for lunch that know who Ron Paul is, and what the Federal Reserve does.

I am willingly to bet (a lot of money) that more than 50% of Americans don't know the difference between fiscal and monetary policy.


Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:26 | 1369884 cossack55
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I know. I know.

Fiscal is like, ya know, your not fat and lazy and you can like walk around the block without having a heart attack

Monetary is like, ya know,, like temporary, you know, like a short time, or that new word....transitory.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:12 | 1370197 bk1037
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I'll put that at 95-97% with my estimate about knowing fiscal and monetary policies.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:43 | 1369467 boiltherich
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I, being a lifelong democrat (well until 2008 anyway) will allocate my entire COLA for 2012 to the campaign of Ron Paul, I am in my third year without a raise and one more will not kill me if it is going to help me and you and the nation I love, I gave $600 to Clinton in 2007/8 and it was wasted as we know, even those of you who hate her have to admit she can't have done worse than Obama. 

Now, to be realistic I doubt I will be giving Paul any money since I would be SHOCKED if retired and disabled people did not have to cope with a fourth year on the same money we got in 2008.  If you all think he can win and you think we can still be saved you will do at least the same.  Put your money where your mouth is or quit whining about the Fed and the kleptocracy.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:56 | 1369501 samsara
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 If you all think he can win and you think we can still be saved ......


One of the problems we have as a people is this one.

It is really sad that as individuals we do not support what our logic and heart tell us is right.  We say, "Yes I know, this is the 'Right' path but,  I don't think he can win,  so I will put thoughts, deeds, and money behind a candidate because I think he can 'Win'.  

Doesn't matter if I don't agree with him, or think he will do damage to the country or my children...


HE has a chance to win.

We are indeed a society without an internal compass,  and without conviction.  A sad lot indeed.

We deserve the leaders we 'Invest' in.


Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:45 | 1369610 cossack55
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I have been voting since 72' and no one I have ever voted for has been elected. I'm thinking about hiring myself out as a jinx.  Anyway, rather than donate to someone who will never get elected, I'll just buy more PM's and ammo because in the end I and only I am responsible for my life.  Fuck the system.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:23 | 1369744 moonstears
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bloody tell it how it is cossack!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:51 | 1369997 DoChenRollingBearing
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My experience in giving money to candidates is the same.  I gave twice last round to Ron Paul.

I'll give him some more this time too.  Jinx it for him.  :(

I hear you cossack55 re guns and ammo.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:13 | 1370195 bk1037
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Don't fret. I have voted for the winner the last 8 elections and only lost when I went with Ford over Carter in 76. And quite honestly, I am not satisfied in any way about the results, the country is in far worse shape in so many ways than we were when we celebrated our bicentennial, At least back then, a Supreme Court justice could be nominated without a lot of damn fanfare, hoopla and political nonsense.

Many times, I wonder if we will ever be the United States again in reality instead of just in name.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:25 | 1369711 moonstears
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Well, for a minute I thought you were a hip fucker for admitting you're gay, on ZH, as now you'll be junked for typing "the sun feels nice today", or "I like  pizza", so, ballsy move(pun intended?...I HAD to, sorry). Then I saw the Lifelong Democrat and Hillary comment and realized that though the 1990s are over, and it's now "kewl" to be gay, that will never apply to Hillary, though she may be bi, she's no gay (nor am I gay, or bi, or "kewl"... but I don't wanna control the lives of millions, negatively might I add, like that tri-lateral commissioned, elitist beeaatch, nor do bi, gay or "kewl" people in general, to my knowledge.). Your earlier point about the fact that most people may not actually like a Paul presidency is spot on, and thanks for the point. I've thought of it, too. In many ways he will likely bring "austerity", and I don't think that'll work until the debt of Fed notes is gone. That said I like Paul, and I think he's the best shot at getting the USA back on track. For the record, I'm quite fond of Jesus, and I still think big brother has no right to dictate your right to some type of "legal" union, or insurance availability, etc, if you desire, whether straight, gay, black, white, purple, blue, whatever. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:02 | 1369936 CrazyCooter
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Um, what the hell are you responding too? I read and re-read like several times and I am  not making the connection here. The OP didn't say they were gay.

Etc, etc, etc...



Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:47 | 1369475 samsara
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I think Ron Paul's impact is more in his articles and videos.  A forerunner so to speak.  Of what, I don't know.  But he can't win, but he can educate. 

There is a large number of people who in the last election saw him in a debate for the first time, then looked him up, read him and were woken up.  To many things.

There was a large number of long time republicans who went for him, and thru him, saw how the MSM slanted everthing about his campaign.  For the first time their candidate was shunned, and it was the cold water of reality of how things worked.  

If he died in a hottub or single engine plane, he'd be a martyr.

Just him being there and pointing out some truths has had and will continue to have a great impact on the total number of people who start to question things.

Try to find the number of things written by any other candidate compared to him.  

jus sayin

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:51 | 1369487 IdioTsincracY
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He cannot educate ... he has to talk to the masses (financially and politically illiterate as they may be)

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:15 | 1369545 samsara
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No, I think you are missing my point. 

He is educating and changing.  BUT.

I say he is more like Dylan and less like CheapTrick.

He(like Dylan) changes the people that will do the changing.

Not mass digestible(like CheapTrick) in themselves.

The people he is inspiring will be affecting us a few years from now.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:17 | 1369861 GreenSideUp
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Precisely!  Well said!!  


Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:08 | 1369699 DoctoRx
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Well said

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:46 | 1369480 dark pools of soros
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at least Michele said the rebels in Libya were bullshit..  and at least she might be on the ticket..  Paul gave up on us last time when he could of won as an independent


but we all know we are only voting for which way the few crumbs given are cooked...  nothing more



Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:49 | 1369490 SwingForce
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Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:50 | 1369496 Biff Malibu
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He's far too intelligent to be President.  Clooney has a much better chance, or Baldwin. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:29 | 1369889 boiltherich
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Unfortunately he is far too old. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 06:12 | 1370263 StychoKiller
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Which one, Clooney or Baldwin?  Face it, if Ron Paul were built like Steve Reeves, you'd be drooling over him!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:53 | 1369502 Missiondweller
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"You've got to clear the market"

Perfect example of the problem with Paul. He's right, but about 5% of the population knows what he's saying.

He's a terrible communicator which is inexcusable for someone in office as long as he has been. If he was serious he'd learn some speaking skills.

I find him to be a lecturing professor. he may be right but he won't ever get anything done.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 20:58 | 1369507 djsmps
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Last week, I think I came off as dissing Ron Paul, when, in fact, I like him. I was disappointed when he confronted Bernanke. I would really believe in him if he would audit the Fed.

But, I liked what he said last night. Unfortunately, he's looks old and I doubt he would ever make the ticket.

I agree with you Ron. What can we do to make it happen? Or are we just fucked?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:45 | 1369621 cossack55
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Auditing the FED is a joke. They have had a 100 years to establish 50 sets of books. Which one do you want to audit. Please.  Next you will want to audit Ft. Knox.  Useless. A 100% assayed inventory, well, that would be something.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:00 | 1369516 Piranhanoia
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but, but,  the nooz likes Moot Rummy?  They said he won. something. Seriously, winning 9 Tony awards is really good for a boost for his popeness.  dum dum dum, dum dum

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:01 | 1369520 MisterKurtosis
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I'd like to see Ron Paul Jesse Ventura run together. They can win!


Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:10 | 1369527 swissaustrian
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Great to see that zerohedge is endorsing Ron Paul.

I´m looking forward to see you guys promoting his money bombs too.

Also everyone here should consider voting in the gop primaries for him - even if this means having to register as a republican.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:07 | 1369528 SoNH80
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Ron Paul was a ray of sanity in a sad T.V. rerun in which certain fetal-alcohol-syndrome victims from the northern 1/2 of my State were wheeled out as cheap props.  Paul has my vote. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:12 | 1369532 Alea Iacta Est
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So...just thinking out loud here....

Greece defaults...

Eurobanks get crushed (the ones not capitalized by QE2 in preperation for this anyway) and/or default.....

So that means nothing is left for Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc.....

SO....are we about to see a race to default?

Last man standing gets no bailout.....

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:16 | 1369546 plocequ1
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Whos Ron Paul?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:35 | 1369584 Cheesy Bastard
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Knock Knock.  Who's there?  Ron.  Ron who?  Exactly.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:24 | 1369564 Goldtoothchimp09
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Paul is the most reasoned candidate...but perhaps the least likely to be likeable to the average biped.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:21 | 1369565 honestann
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Go Ron go.

Just think how totally empty and hopeless the USSA political scene will be when eventually Ron Paul is gone.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:23 | 1369566 cranky-old-geezer
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... and we have very low standards ...

Yes, that's increasingly apparent every time I see another off-topic bullshit article from GW and Leo K.

Today it's 9/11 with GW, a topic having no place on ZH in my view, certainly not 10 years after the fact.

GW doesn't seem to care that ZH is a financial site.  Perhaps you don't care either TD.

You have the best most relevant financial reporting I've seen anywhere. The article yesterday about the Fed secretly bailing out Euro-banks in QE2 was superb investigative work.

I hate seeing GW's worthless off-topic 9/11 crap and similar bullshit mixed in with the best financial reporting anywhere on the internet ...and anywhere else period.  It's a glaring dichotomy.

Ditto for Leo K the pension fund whore and CD's mental jacking off. Worthless off-topic irellevant bullshit.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:52 | 1369633 Crab Cake
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Bitch bitch bitch....

I hate seeing.... Well don't fucking look then.

Frigg'n ungrateful POS.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:00 | 1369678 GreenSideUp
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What you utterly fail to realize is that 9-11 (as well as many other events) has EVERYTHING to do with finance, even 10 years after.  If you think it's off topic, or don't want to read it, ignore it.   

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:27 | 1369755 cranky-old-geezer
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Cite ONE INSTANCE where GW has EVER drawn a financial conclusion in one of his worthless articles dipshit.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:42 | 1369791 GreenSideUp
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Never said he did.  Do you really need someone to draw financial conclusions for you?  Try thinking for yourself.  

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1369832 lizzy36
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Just a thought, if you don't like GW's worthless articles, don't read them.

Unless you are paying for the premium service, in which case feel free to cancel, concentrate on what this site DOES provide you everyday. Not what it doesn't.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:04 | 1370019 Shell Game
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Ha, Ha! What a fucking, whining pussy!  Look, tantrum boy, in grown up world we tolerate differing views.  And by tolerate, I mean you are free to look away or turn it off. 


Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:08 | 1369690 Max Hunter
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GW doesn't seem to care that ZH is a financial site.

Hey dick head.. I went and checked just what ZH claims to be.. Since you have stated for them the "type" of site they are, I had to double check.. Here is what I found:

the zero hedge manifesto

our mission:

  • to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information available to the professional investing public.
  • to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid institution that financial journalism has become.
  • to liberate oppressed knowledge.
  • to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
  • to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.

Why don't you run along back to yahoo and tell them all you tried real hard.. but didn't make it..

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:46 | 1369803 cranky-old-geezer
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to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.

Wonderful, TD should make Paul Krugman and all those Keynesian economists contributors then.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:58 | 1369817 alien-IQ
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you have quite obviously come to the wrong place.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:10 | 1369836 Crab Cake
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Actually Krugman is cited all the time on ZeroHedge, and as this is an anonymous blog Krugman might very well be in our midst; doubtful but possible. It's a free country, or used to be, and it's an open blog; so say what you will. You must know though that your old geezer generation, and your ways of thought and acting, are what led to this steaming pile being dumped on every generation after you including my own. I for one don't give a damn what you like or don't like. You got your good years, but I'm going to spend mine doing what your generation (and my parents) didn't have the stomach for. So if you don't like it, don't read it. Quit your belly aching, and try to use some of your wisdom (it must be somewhere) to add substance to topic.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:25 | 1369857 cranky-old-geezer
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to liberate oppressed knowledge.

Hell then, let's go full retard, invite Alex Jones and George Nory and Jeff Rense and all that crowd to be contributors.

Let's have updates on Elinin and Nibiru and planet X and UFOs and ETs and crop circles and Area 51 and all that crap. They'll damn sure be affecting things financially if you believe what their promoters and fear-mongers say, and look, it's right there in the manifesto.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:30 | 1370054 Cathartes Aura
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jeez, no wonder yer cranky, if you spend so much time reading stuff written by folk you don't respect, and articles you think are ridiculous. . . hint: change channels, occasionally?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 06:13 | 1370268 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture --->> thataway...

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:35 | 1369583 PulauHantu29
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I listened to the debate on TV. Ron Paul and Newt are the only two who any conspet of economics....Newt is too partisan...Paul is too honest to get elected.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:40 | 1369590 alien-IQ
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And now for something completely insane...CNN claims Ron Paul got 0% of the votes in their poll after that debate...does this strike anyone else as complete bullshit?


here's the video:

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:57 | 1369657 SoNH80
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I call bullshit on that fer sure.  Ron Paul has at least 25% of the Republican primary vote in NH as of now, he's the Gene McCarthy candidate of our time, he won't necessarily win the Rep nomination, but he may force the front-runner into interesting, pro-sound money directions.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:59 | 1369672 alien-IQ
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unfortunately America is more likely to end up with Charlie McCarthy.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:06 | 1369695 SoNH80
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Yes... we'd be lucky to get Edgar Bergen

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:42 | 1369787 OldPhart
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Didn't Karl Rove fill the role of Edgar Bergen?


At least, many claimed so.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:48 | 1369796 SoNH80
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Karl Rove was more of a Fatty Arbuckle..... lol

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 03:52 | 1370180 efiniti
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Yup, it was complete bullshit.  Ron Paul CNN's online poll with like 78%.  It was a landslide.  The one they used only asked 54 GOP members.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:23 | 1372849 honestann
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That is simply STUNNING.

Wow, they managed to find new depths of pure, unadulterated falsehood.  Congrats, CNN --- you just got voted 0% confidence.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:42 | 1369599 Crab Cake
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Not that I believe in our farce of a representative structure any longer, but I will be voting for Ron Paul in the primarys and on the presidential ballot regardless of whether he's actually on it.

This country sucks. Bring the troops home, bring our industry home, end the war on drugs especially marijuana and hemp, do away with many government agencies starting with the IRS, institute a flat or national sales tax, pull the Fed's charter, create a new division of the FBI in place to find every goddamned criminal attached to the financial events of the last decade and put them in prison (creating laws if necessary)no matter how high or low, reform the party\election\representation process, default our debt obligations and institute a commodity backed currency, declare a jubilee on all outstanding debts public and private, reform the judicial branch to be based on codified law not precedent law, move the capital to the center of the country, and hold a Constitutional Convention to reconfirm the Constitution and enact the aforementioned changes ( to be followed by individual state con cons to reconstitute and renew state compacts).

None of this will actually happen though, so perhaps we should just skip to revolution...

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:44 | 1369615 JustACitizen
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I voted for him in the last Republican Primary and I will vote for him again. Leave the 10 second sound bites that "sound good" and make great bumper stickers to the candidate packagers. I don't care if he belches while answering - he represents the thinking that made the country. If you as a voter cannot understand one of his answers - then go freakin' look it up - we live in the information age! "Just trusting" that the candidate with the "pretty bows" or "perfect hair" or the "nifty little sound bite" has our best interests at heart is precisely what got us here.

Did anyone else see "Mitt" kind of wince when RP brought up his military service to our country? But, he'll have no problem committing the "po folks" children to combat in the name of whatever corporatocracy needs help with their ownership rights...

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:44 | 1369618 swissaustrian
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Gerald Celente´s take on last nights debate:

Cartoon News Network

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:59 | 1369662 Bob
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Excellent!  Thanks.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:48 | 1369620 cramers_tears
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This is great stuff...  I kept hearing butthead John King, in the background trying to get Paul to stop talking everytime he got going.  King  "ok... ok... ok... " - what an MSM butthead.

Keep the Paul Highlights coming.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:51 | 1369631 Clinteastwood
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Don't kid yourselves, Ron Paul can win.  Don't sell the Americans short just yet.  The word is out and if the media gives him a chance in the debates, Ron Paul can win.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:57 | 1369647 alien-IQ
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"if the media gives him a chance"....

and there's the rub.

it doesn't matter who americans vote for because american presidents are selected not elected.


"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." 

- Josef Stalin

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:52 | 1369649 Crab Cake
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I agree, and I will vote for him and support his campaign. If he wins though, he'll get most likely be JFK'd.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:44 | 1369795 bigdawg
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Very true.  I listen to "conservative" talk radio once in a while...just to see what they're saying (I can't take it very long though...most of their babble just pisses me off).  Lately they've been after Ron Paul like never before.  Figure this must be a good sign...they're afraid of him. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:09 | 1370027 Shell Game
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+++ Clint.  Time to shelf the defeatist attitude many (I, myself) have displayed here.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 21:49 | 1369636 Peter_Griffin
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The time allotment is so short for answers it seems as they are set up to glorify dumb one liners instead of a real logical debate.  It's for the fucking presidency, why limit the smart ones and cater to the tards?  Paul needs to explain a little better for the average tea-tard to understand.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:28 | 1369748 karzai_luver
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these "debates" are a joke.

They are a symptom of a country of imbeciles suffering ADHD.





Why do you need a moderator , why can not the candidates question each other?


Imbeciles the country really this stupid? Debates, these are not debates they are

not even a decent soundbite.


useless....... why people bother with them is a mystery.



Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:07 | 1369688 Plata con Carne
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I love Ron Paul, but he seriously needs to master the soundbite. He needs to get a little bit angrier too.  That whole mess about Coke or Pepsi, American Idol/Dancing with the Stars was just embarrassing and a disgrace when so many have lost their homes and are unemployed. A properly-fitted suit wouldn't hurt him either. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1369696 orionstarman
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I love Ron Paul and will vote/support him. There's only two things he needs to do to get elected: 1. Simplify his message for the masses. 2. His people need to take him to a first class taylor and get him a suit that fits him properly.


Oh yeah, am I the only person who thinks that  Mit Romney and Robert Tilton are the same guy.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1369708 alien-IQ
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So what you are saying is Ron Paul needs to dumb it down and tart it up?...Isn't that what Mitt Romney and his magic underwear are there to provide already? Do we really need more of that?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1369820 orionstarman
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You have the wrong idea. As much is I love Ron Paul he is talking over the heads of most people. Thats not his fault. After 50 plus years the modern education system has succeeded  in dumbing down America. He'll have to re-educate them first. Also, this is the television age and there's nothing wrong in looking good for the camara. Nixon lost his debate with Kennedy (on tv at least) because he had 5 o'clock shadow and was sweating. Let's face it Ron's suit coat fit him like a burlap bag.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:58 | 1369818 lizzy36
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Mitt Romney is a Ken Doll, mangina and all.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1369697 aquagreen73s
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I find it inconceivable that someone can listen to Dr. Paul and NOT vote for him.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:26 | 1369754 JustACitizen
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I can't help myself...

"I don't think it means what he thinks it means..."

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:32 | 1369763 karzai_luver
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I find it unreal that after hearing the others that one could vote FOR one of them.


Paul could show up in a dress flipflops for all I care, while he is not

the slick candidate the others are so stupid and in the tank that it doesn't matter.


After all Oby looks slick and what has he brought you?



Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:29 | 1369764 razorthin
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"Alas, since America always and without fail elects precisely the candidate it so rightfully deserves, it pains us to conclude that Paul has zero chance at the presidency."

Sadly true.  I get angry, but more than anything, I mourn for America's stupidity

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:32 | 1369771 bigdawg
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Ron Paul's great and I'll vote for him.  One of the problems he has, mentioned here already, is that it would help if he were a better communicator/speaker.  I watched the entire debate and noticed that he seemed to be trying to respond specifically to questions asked...whereas the others would mostly just spout some vague rhetoric.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:37 | 1369778 GreenSideUp
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I'm beyond thinking there will be a political solution to this mess but in a sense, Ron Paul has already won because he's changed the content of the debate. 

I was heavily involved in grassroots campaigning for RP for the 2008 election where RP was ignored, mocked and dismissed.  If I mentioned the Constitution, people acted like I was speaking a foreign language.  Now lots of people, at least locally, are having weekly Constitution study classes in their living rooms. 

If I mentioned the Fed, or anything about sound money, inflation tax, etc., peoples' eyes would really glaze over.  These days, I can have a conversation about that criminal entity in a grocery store line.  

Of course, it took obomba starting a war in Libya to wake up some of the hard-core arm-chair warriors, but even some of them are beginning to question the Military Industrial Complex and I hear them using Ron Paul's own words.  Little to no credit given.

Ron Paul may be a terrible speaker but he's written extensively (some of his essays, such as "Neo Conned!" are fabulous), he's predicted every bit of the mess we're in and he's awakened and continues to awaken boatloads of people.  I can't even begin to count the number of friends and family who thought I was a kook a few years ago; now they're on the same page, or at least getting there.

Ron Paul has been right all along, and a whole lot of people are starting to realize it.  "

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies"

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:53 | 1369810 alien-IQ
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good post.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:29 | 1370059 Shell Game
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2nd that, excellent post!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:08 | 1370529 Cthonic
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Was there too in 2008 and watched the majority of Republicans fight Paul's nomination in Texas, towing the national party line (McCain).  The only way for Paul to succeed in 2012 is for every one of his supporters to coalesce their efforts at the local level to overwhelm the party apparatchiki at the earliest stages of the game to counter their first mover, rule-making advantage.  Write in votes aren't counted, and no third party will convert enough voters in time for primaries; if you wish to effect real change, you must invade the standing bastion of the overclass.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:02 | 1369841 Element
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As this is a political thread, I'm going to make a reading recommendation here that's going to seem a bit off. I'll explain; I do not agree with much of what's in it, but the effect of its idealism is undoubtedly effective, indeed, it's the same purposeful motivating mechanism that Japan used, and Russia, and likewise China today uses, and it's at the very core of zionism. So I've been pondering this a bit lately. I'm referring to;


The fact is, it works, and it works fantastically well, to the extent that it's almost unbelievably effective at resurrecting and forwarding the interests of any state, or general cultural theme.

But it's also ultimately completely self destructive, and self defeating, but for a while, it's radically effective at raising any country from the economic political and military ashes of defeat and collapse. Vladimir Putin utilized a mild form of it after Yeltsin, and it was incredibly popular and extremely effective. China arose with extreme rapidity, even after the bloody crackdown in Tianamin Square. So this is something who's concepts and approaches we should be considering, simply for the sake of garnering insights into what works, and what surely does not, for a country in economic and political collapse.

Many here at zh rail against Govts (I sure do) but like it or not, the muddle-class of sheeple (the 'crumbtards') will continue to believe in the meme of the Govt legend and mythos, of purported utility and effectiveness and social 'betterment', etc. That's just the case. The notion that the average muddle-class crumbtard will forsake Govt per-sec, is frankly not a remotely reasonable prospect, and like it or not, any current or future elite will make sure something of it remains, even if its radically downsized, and the whims of legislation ruthlessly culled and expunged.

So, in what situation is a globally divisive ultra-nationalism a 'valid' tool, and is its generally dictatorial form of government a valid form for near term conditions? Is it indeed a necessary development for an economic collapse time like ours? Or will it become another excuse for a new elite to grab more power and other peoples treasure?

I think the uncomfortable answers are probably; yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

So at the risk of making a false-conundrum, is the natural and obvious counter to NWO Globalism in fact nationalism (if not ultra-nationalist) and a clear rejection of globalist agenda infringement? Will states that do this first and most EFFECTIVELY, be those States that do best into a post-conflict, 'recovery' and rebuilding phase?

Is not EXTREME nationalism what Israel has always practiced in actuality? ... but disguised from the world, with a thin veil and ruse of parliamentary 'democracy' and dovish BS words?

I'm asking this in a devil's-advocate style to get people to come up with a more realistic view to defang the NWO bankster globalism, a vile cohort of primarily jooz (the 'z' denotes zionists, not Jews in general) that has clearly declared war on the rest of the 'little-people' (as a BP shithead put it so quaintly), especially those with a lot of ill-educated coffee-colored people in their populations.

I'm not a historian of any sort, or an expert on these subjects (frankly, I don't need to be, as others can correct accessory details, they wish), but in the light of the above I would recommend the reader google a .pdf of "Mein Kampf", which was formulated and written largely contemporary with the Weimar Republic's hyperinflationary collapse. Read Hitler's damnable but extraordinary book through and you'll gain insight into the extreme thinking and revolutionary militancy and patriotism and dissent of that time, and the formation of a genuine ultra-nationalist movement, and how and why it came about. And the direct and effective tactics it used. These people were without a doubt putting it all on the line for their culture, its preservation, and their freedom from the endless destructive foreign attacks, and meddling, especially of Jooz bankers, and Jooz led political groups, Jooz crime, Jooz merchants, and Jooz media. It was so serious and deliberately hidden, that the Germans eventually went to the radical extreme of making Jooz sew a large yellow Star-of-David on their cloths, so that everyone could see who really was Jewish, for they had changed their names specifically to hide they were jooz, and were pretending to be regular citizens, but when they all had to wear the Star of David, or be arrested and imprisoned, it immediately became visibly and immediately clear to all the rest of the populace that the Jooz had in fact completely taken over the country in every possible respect, financial, economic, media, legal and political, and that they were radically more wealthy and more privileged than the regular Germans. And clearly had manipulated the system to make it that way.

It wasn't a mere conspiracy theory, as you might suspect, as here was the actual undeniable evidence of their concerted long-term collusion (as in generations of it) to take over the entire economic life of Germany and milk the life out of the enslaved German people. Can you now see why 'Crystal-Night' occurred? Can you imagine the rage and desire for payback of discovering this had been systematically done in your own country while all your MANY political parties were ALSO literally headed up by a Joo? All of them!

But if you're in USA you probably realize they have been doing the very same thing to Amerika since well before WWI. In Australia the Jooz landed here with the First Fleet in 1788, because they had already seen North and South America's great richness, and the temptation to infiltrate Australia was of course too good to pass up, and they have been screwing us ever since. Not to mention the Royal Family connections.

Can you imagine the consternation today if Jooz in the USA, the UK, Australia and Canada were likewise forced by an ultra-nationalist leader to wear a Star of David in 2012? Would we not find the exact same patterns of comprehensive "full-spectrum dominance" of the Jooz in the major Anglophile countries? How many actual Western LEADERS and ROYALTY would have to wear this Star of David? You'd be shocked to see them lined up at a G20 meeting, plus their gaggle of political, legal and economic 'advisors', all wearing their Star of David.

Oh yes, "... there would be blood ...", a new crystal-night from hell would follow if people only could see who's really running the "Western Powerz", now. My own Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, is an avid self-declared zionist (and she's not even a Christian) who lives in a defacto relationship with a Jooz.

You'd be surprised what this hard-bastard Hitler had to say about how to raise a once great country from the ashes of a Jooz attack, that systematically destroyed Germany from within via a highly coordinated bankster, merchant, media and political cartel of a non-integrative financial colonizer parasite-class. You had a non-integrative Joo parasite-class sucking the blood at the top, and a nomadic Gypsy non-integrative parasite-class at the bottom, stealing everything the worker-class had earned.

Within Hitler's idealistic attempt to build an absolutely racial Central European 'superman', the key thing he was thinking seems to have been (massively generalizing), "What sort of man and citizen will it take and demand/require to get Germany back on its feet - ASAP?" What he then described is this sort of unbridled nationalist 'superman', or rather, the qualities of a super-citizen, and his rationale for the organizing of a methodical system for him and her to do the required immediate tasks of delivering an economically, politically and culturally viable and sacrosanct future 'realm', or empire (Reich), for the country's, culture's and race's enduring betterment and unhindered progress.

But it all turned to shit because Hitler was ultimately a violent uber-bastard and an obsessed paranoid nutcase social theorist, and ultra-nationalists are prone to be that. Indeed, in this book, Hitler openly talks of doing violent acts of outright murder to certain types of people, with particular political and social attitudes and ideas, simply to stop their falsehoods and memes spreading. He put the origins of these divisive ideas and sentiments down to the calculated propaganda and scheming of the Jooz elites, to divide and conquer the German people, and keep them enslaved, divided, weak and impoverished, so they would never be in a state to free themselves.

Reminding you of something?

But the salient fact is; that in a mere 20-years Hitler's incredible vision of a great and disciplined nationalist super-citizenry took back the entire country that was totally smashed in every possible way, even when weighed down by vast war reparation liabilities, for it to become a truly phenomenal great power again, that could genuinely aspire to put the whole of Eurasia, from Siberia to Ireland, plus the ME oil fields, and North Africa, under one massive German-Italian empire, and to totally disrupt and destroy the agenda of the Zionist globalist banksterz in Europe (and he almost succeeded). But as in the Hollywood fiction of Poltergeist, "...they're back...", ... just like a great global financial fart that never clears. The Jooz are back again, only this time the public can't explicitly see who they are - no Stars of David (yet).

So one must ask; if the Globalist Zionist bankster scum are "out of remission" again, does this mean that growing nationalism and a 'holocaust' and exiling will be coming out of remission soon as well, in response to the rediscovery of who and what these people are, and what they've done historically, and currently, to the true Nationals of countries?

I think it does follow that we will see this re-emerge, over the next decade, or two. As with so many things, of late, the recently entirely unthinkable is rapidly becoming very thinkable. Is this not the very reason why we're now inflicted with these outrageous Police-State tactics and spying? And the erosion of legal-equality, and an absence of Justice (not even "being seen to be done" anymore in many cases) and the effective end of a presumption of innocence, and of the non-deferring to our basic 'right' to what might be called fair and proper treatment by the State's multitude of parasitic petty arseholes and its 'Law' and 'policy'-makers, etc.?

What Hitler revealed was the extra-ordinary power of ultra-nationalism, to create a "super-citizen" from a disheartened trampled people, and of the desperate need to do so, or else Germany would have been permanently enslaved, in their own country, by a bunch of racist turds who did not care if the locals starved to death from a hyperinflation induced famine.

How would you feel about that? Well now you know what made Hitler a warped and rather angry sort of chap (though this still does not explain that moustache!).

The effectiveness of the nationalist mechanism is why the Zionists use it - ALWAYS - but Israel and the Diaspora uses it in a more disciplined, crafty, and mature (i.e. Evil) format. They use their mainstream media to demonize nationalists, to ensure the western parsitized countries tisk-tisk and steer well clear of it, and roundly condemn anyone daring to stand up for their own nation, to the exclusion of other non-integrated interlopers and their special-interest pleading. And also that we automatically regard it with instant repugnance and blindly condemn, so that we don't ever seriously consider actually using it, as an organizing principle, to resolve economic and political decay and disunity in a highly focused and rational way (i.e. a way that's not going to destroy itself and everything around it within a few decades). If we did resort to actual nationalist chauvinism and discrimination (like Israel and the Joo Diaspora ALWAYS does!) then the globalist banksters and their media and political puppets would be FINISHED.

They must then exile or go back into 'remission' for a generation, and setup the country for another cultural and national delusion/nap, to try it all on again on the next generation - a new batch of short time-horizon comprehensively distracted confused and incapable of thinking 'crumbtards', who also don't understand money, or what an "interest rate" and Central Bank represent.

If there's one thing you could say about Hitler's outlook, it is that he wasn't a confused man, he identified and understood very clearly what the core problems that led to Germany's collapse were, and he was passionately self-educated, thought for himself as he could see the experts were shills and idiots making false arguments, and could see directly what countermeasures were required, to reverse the damage mechanism - FAST - and he did it!


His ability to enunciate this in words and in speeches, and also in the rationale within Mein Kampf is what roused a vast section of the central European people to coalesce into a centralized nationalist capitalistic Fascist mechanism, where they forsook a clearly failed Joo infested parliament, in order to fix Germany fast, and a sustained discipline and logical no-BS system developed (that was also more-or-less willingly cooperated with), that almost immediately was able to eradicate the Zionist banksters garrote, and take back all of the countries of Central Europe from the Jooz stranglehold, and create a more-or-less pro-Berlin block.

[FASCISM  = The use of physical violence, as a first-resort, in all instances, to achieve explicit planned policy outcomes, to enhance the capacity to grow and spread its power, ... the 'corporatism' aspect of fascism is essentially a bit-player in the overall scheme of Fascism, and the aim of Corporatism is simply to allow the growth of an economy rapidly enough to allow the state to develop and purchase more and more advanced and deadly weapons to pursue more effective levels of violence... essentially what the USA has been doing anyway, for decades now ... oh, and btw ... it's ALWAYS ultimately self-defeating and dangerously suicidal ... as per M.A.D.]

But in the case of 'ultra'-nationalist Israel, I would say that even their toned-down version of Jewish ultra-nationalism, is more or less a self-destructive order and mentality, and clearly it's going to end with a catastrophic strategic attack on them and destruction of Israel, as a state.

Hitler was right; 'Jewishness' is an undeclared 'Nation', rather than a mere 'religion', and it was operating as a hidden-State within Europe, serving its own Nationalist agenda, and he saw the Old Testament and Talmudic 'scripture' as essentially the Jooz own ultra-racist and radically homicidal and genocidal geopolitically inciting nationalist counterpart to Hitler's "Mein Kampf". He felt he was writing down a similar recipe for the German people to survive longer-term, as a discrete people, in much the way the Jews had done so, and was revealed in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which it is by now completely obvious are the real deal and do indeed describe the Jooz overall global takeover and enslavement philosophy, with debt and usury their primary tools, to forcibly legally enslave and control the entire planet.

Hitler realized his country had been viciously attacked from within, and he more than anything wanted to prove it, reveal it directly, and essentially, "let nature take its course". Evolution via winners and losers was what he emphasized - just like the Jooz did.

Jewishness to him was clearly much more than a religion, in fact, it wasn't a religion at all once you burrowed into what its teachings do and actually say. Listen to the 3.5 hrs of .mp3's audio in this downloadable audio and PDF book if you doubt this:

Elizabeth Dilling: "The jewish Religion. It's Influence Today"

A real religion ascribes to bring out and nurture the purest and best within human beings (always tricky) and it can hardly be argued cohesively, that this was or is the intent or intrinsic value of a clearly radically racist, war-mongering, sexually perverse, thievery and murder condoning malicious ultra-nationalist State, constantly at war with the incensed masses, around the globe. It seemed that the "Chosen Ones" myth, of talking burning bushes, and such were an excuse for this aberration of dubious religion's a-moral edifice. If anything the Christian's 'Old Testament' account is a white-wash job.

And as we can see in the Babylonian gutting and splitting off of Israel proper and then the final passionate destruction of Jerusalem in 72AD by the Romans, the Jewish ultra-nationalism trait got its arse handed to it, again and again, the Jews were their own worst enemy, much of the time.

And Israel is clearly in the same self-destroying ultra-Racist and ultra Nationalist Fascist mode, once again, today. And just as Hitler's Nationalism was initially EXTREMELY successful, like Israel was since 1948, Hitler eventually destroyed everyone and everything he touched. Israel is following this same belligerent offensive nationalism into another cycle of hubris-driven national suicide.

Hitler and his Reich are gone simply because it became unacceptable to the rest of the world, in almost every conceivable way. Israel is currently doing the very same thing in almost every conceivable way. A super strong advanced military and extreme internal national cohesion did not save Hitler's Germany. Does the Zionist camp even recognize this tragic parallel?

And if they do, or could, would it make a scrap of difference to the outcome, now entrained? I doubt it can, or will. The Central Bankster cartel have labored endlessly to prevent the 'little-people' and muddle-class from re-discovering the origins, history, and purposes of Central Banking, but the unstoppable flow of information, and indeed, the radical self-emergent propaganda in the current time, has put the global spotlight directly back on them again - and they can't and won't be able to shake it off again, as all the books and records of the history of the Banksters are now digitized and widely distributed, and archived.

So now they're under constant intensive investigation and observation as more and more people discover that this time is not different, this time is just like all the other times the Jooz did this to a country in history. This is what they do, Hitler's German was just the most recent example where it had all blown up, or rather, it WAS the most recent example, as now there are DOZENS of more examples of their handiwork.

So when a Central Banker from Israel puts up his hand to run the IMF after Khan (who's original family name was Cohen btw - DSK is in fact a Jooz, not just a Frenchman, as is Sarkozy as is the duel leadership in the UK, and as is Kate Middleton ... on and on it goes), and is seen flaunting himself with Angela Merkel, EVERYONE with their eyes open can see what's going on here.

Even within Germany the 'Hidden-Hand' has come right out of the closet, pulled down its pants, bent-over to camera, and given the entire planet a HD-resolution 'brown-eye'.

The ultimate great global "fuk-yerz-all" moment, where we're being implicitly being told the Jooz are your Master, and you are slaves, so STFU or else you may just find yourself becoming a live organ-donor, is what Stanley Fischer's self-promotion to the position of the new IMF head, represents. Such is the nature of an ultra-nationalist racist idealism. It has no sense of shame, or loss of dignity, nor any sense of over-reach, greed or impropriety, and physical violence rapidly becomes its first-resort, for meeting any casual prosaic State-policy, if mere financial violence and threats are not a sufficient inducement.

Our police-states and the laughable adhoc 'excuses' for new warz, are just the symptoms of this rapidly infecting and dehumanizing suicidal pathway to colonial imperial expeditionary warfare, to feed the finance monster which we are already engaged in serving on a piecemeal war-like basis. But now also a rapidly spreading basis. And the massive destruction that will follow will be a process of eliminating industrial competition, that will then fire-up economic demand and investment growth, back to the strategic warfare 'victor'.

To the victor go the spoils ... or rather, to the bankzter go the spoilz.

Take note that both Russia and China have re-mobilized their economic capacities, and expanded under the strong centralizing influence of a more refined version of their respective historical nationalism. Whereas in the West, nationalism has been relentlessly eliminated from the progressive 'kulture' since WWII, replaced with "Never Again" institutions, like the UN Declaration of Human Rights and NATO, and the EU Commission, in the attempt to prevent the same terrible cycles repeating.

But within the very process of doing this these states have instead created the very conditions in which the ultra-nationalist Zionists, Russians and Chinese etc., could and eventually would seek to exploit the resulting national Sovereign weakness in the West to gain a Strategic upper-hand and control, where possible. So now Israel, full of its own hubris and imagined self-worth, offers an 'economist', and a 'merkin, a duel-national, in the form of Central Banker Stanley Fischer, as IMF Chief, right when they have Europe (and Germany itself) on the ropes and kissing their hand - ready to be gutted again!

Wake up Western Civilization the killshot is about to be fired.

At the very least, Hitler's very 'rational' ravings within Mein Kampf, provide a terrific insight and backdrop to the sort of world we're now just beginning to experience, again, and very soon will experience much more vividness in full surround 3-D HD and "i-Smell and i-Bleed Direct Sensory Input System(TM)".

So given these factors, to what extent can a nationalism be a useful and necessary tool, to recoup our losses and status, and general orderliness, as well as our prospects, and yet have nationalism remain constrained, to the extent that we don't run in to the destructive blowback of many separate nationalist countries emerging from economically and politically fail alliances, with thus heightened conflicting interests, that could blow our collective feet-off in armed conflicts?

This situation implies a reversal of state-to-state 'socialism', where one state 'sponges' off another in some way, and where any state that can not survive, via its own resources and wit, will simply soon cease to exist and must be sucked up into another more capable and enlarged state. (In my own region I can think of several very dependent supposedly 'Independent' sovereign states, in South East Asia alone that fit that category. I'm sure you can think of some near you.)

In other words; it's going to get REAL.

Strategic war is now likely and those unprepared, or unable, or else crappy allies, are not going to do well, and like it or not, the Govts we have are of necessity going to get more authoritah-ian.

Does a country like the USA for instance, vote in a genuine ultra-nationalist (in your case that would be Sarah Palin! ... LOL! ... how much more pathetic can this get?) who dissolves the fucking outrageous Washington mess, and wipes the slate clean, or does the USA allow the current corrupt zionist bankster puppet to remain as is, and it's thus permitted to become the great global Authoritahian? You wanna fight for survival for that? You want that to define the future of the United States (assuming it still has one)?

Didn't think so.

Which means you are going to have to withdraw your individual PARTICIPATION, for as long as it takes, to destroy them, and then try to rebuild back as quickly as possible. The basic problem is, is the military going to side with them, or with the pissed-off little-people? As long as they control the MSM and their UnaPrinter industrial demolition business they can define what an MSM version of the 'majority' appears to be.

Ultimately you need to do what Hitler did, but make sure you don't destroy your entire country as Hitler did, i.e. don't make yourselves totally unacceptable to the rest of the world, like Germany did, or rather, don't let anyone use media propaganda to define you as 'totally unacceptable' pariahs. So we are faced with the usual tactic that as soon as a 'nationalist' "One-Nation" type politician shows up, the Jooz media friends go into a feeding frenzy to discredit and lampoon them as small-minded bigots and idiots.

Plus the Jooz will also just put up their own version of a populist nationalist presidential candidate to play interference, and also to discredit such any dippy 'nationalist'. And I strongly suspect this is what Sarah represents, the attempt to discredit and bleed votes away from any genuine nationalist inclined candidate, before they can get momentum and national repute rolling.

All this seems a relevant issue to me, given some form of Govt, and some form of war, and some form of trade 'globalism', and some form of revised economic principles, and some sort of 'peace', is going to remain the norm - despite the multitude of objectionable issues these generate in the more alert global minority, here at zh and elsewhere. It just isn't going to be any other way.

And this is why I would recommend people read "Mein Kampf", to see what worked, and what clearly lead to catastrophe, what was viable, what is necessary, and what was insane, and what to avoid at all costs, within the coming period of global strategic turmoil. Are we even willing to assess and face up to such matters? Or are we too cowardly to ask and seek real or viable answers to such practical and immediate issues? Or do we just fall back on some ultra-Libertarian idealism and a fake ekonomics and finance voodoo?

If we're not going to face this proactively, rather than reactively, then what does one suggest is the REALISTIC way forward to a 'recovery' condition that 'works' in a quasi-stable and effective and agreeable form for most nations? i.e. let's face it, if there are 'winners' there will be 'losers', just look at any comparable period in history. Then there's the fact of geography and geology, some countries got lucky, some didn't, and the result is some countries aren't going to prosper much. And then there's the race argument (which I have significant doubts about) but some here at zh insist that race matters a great deal, and self-evidently so. And in some ways that seems to be so, for in European families that know I can see specific traits, behavior and demeanor in the children, that reflects the particular talents and propensities, that are not present in another family. And when I them look at an Aboriginal family I can see MASSIVE specific traits, behavior and demeanor differences in the children, and most of it is not good. However, they were here for 60,000 years, and we haven't been, so I'll have to face that these people know how to survive here, and that's what counts. But I would add that it was Europeans that had the technical know-how and observational skills to determine and convey to the Aboriginals how many years they've actually been here, not the other way around.

So yes, there are BIG generalized racial differences and capacities as well. However, I don't intend to Euthanase them on that basis, nor let any other arsehole do that either, may be in 60,000 years we can revisit that, but I'd say they have earned the right to be here, more than I have.

Or alternatively, we all become ascetics or Buddhists or something and meditate much of the day under a shady Banyon tree, listening to the lovely birdies chirping and fluttering, and basically not giving a fig about any of this soul-destroying drivel, and its delusional warping effect on the human mind and action, thus radically refusing to participate in anything remotely state-ish or centrist, until we drop-off our respective perch's, in a greatly enlightened and far happier state, impoverished, but sufficient  ... as we're shot through the crown-chuckra by an Education Dept sniper for being 21-days due on a monthly student-loan payment.

To be, or not to be - that is the question?

Or do the continuing actions of other ultra-nationalist states force our hands in a kill-or-be-killed sense, to organize and go out in the world, regardless of the pretty birdies, to wring their fucking necks with great gusto and vengeance, with a nice thin cord of resilient but blood-stained hemp rope? (Banksterz, not birdies that is)

This current world mess reminds me of a challenge issued by the late Indian anti-guru Jiddu Krishnamurti, who encouraged every human being to actively and radically reject everything they've ever been told, and to take a continually "totally fresh" first-person inquiry into life and the inner world.

He once said, "How far are you willing to go to live without conflict?"

He was adamant it was possible for a person to live with no conflict at any time, and in any circumstance. But he was not a mere pacifist, indeed, he also said elsewhere in response to a question, that he had no idea what he might do, if someone physically attacked him. He said he would find out if that happened. Meaning, he understood that he could potentially go to any lengths necessary to defend himself, and recognized that these things were not ideas, but the entirely natural but unpredictable consequence of another's actions, in the present. That making a pre-meditated mechanistic 'response' would be pointless, you had to respond in the moment in a fluid unguided way to violence.

Fine, but when you're getting attacked by a group who attacks you over several generations, and most people don't even realize it's occurring until its already over ... thus awareness is the only thing that can allow you to perceive this and respond ... but most people are not aware of much at all.

We are soon going to have to pick a series of courses of action and when we do we're going to have to see it through, as countries and as people, else we really are committing ourselves to a default "global citizen" 1984 existence. Plus any new authoritahian nationalist will insist we tow the line - or else. So if you REALLY want to recover and maintain the former state and its functional orderliness, and the serving of the people's interests via it, as many seem to want (regardless of whether 'Govt' is a mere mental abstraction), then we're going to have to accept discipline, as in military style discipline and self-discipline, to reach clear national goals.

What Hitler showed is that Germany can actually do this, if you put it to them in the right way, with the right combinations of patriotic arrogance, idealism, symbols, flourish and other propaganda. We saw a similar thing during the recent British Royal Wedding.

Like it or not, this sort of traditionalist nationalism pomp on display is very constructive, and also very destructive when taken too far. And it tends to OFTEN be taken much too far, to the point where farce is the only outlet for its stupidity, and the Star Spangled Banner as played by an acid-intoxicated Jimi Hendrix becomes a thoroughly mutilated slap-in-the-face to brainwashed self-righteous Nationalist war-makers. But nevertheless, Nationalism is cyclic, and what was seen in the US since 9-11, seemed a very painfully contrived ruse to an outside observer. It's of the farce variety, not the real thing. And I'm pretty sure few souls at zh wants authoritah, imposed by the state, via physical force, at least not via the USSA State of Baza O-baaahhhh-ma.

Do you want the recovery to an Austrian-style DISCIPLINED economics and market behavior, or not? If so, WHAT SORT OF CITIZEN, with that take? What exactly do we have to DO, if we intend to defend ourselves actually, from an ultra-nationalist Bankzter clan, with mercs and murderers, if you want your country to approximate this 'idealic' Austrian-school place to live an work out an agreeable life?

That was the approach of Hitler, to look at the people and say, what do I have to do with this mess to make the depressed angry citizens also want what I want, and discipline themselves to get it? Are you even prepared to live with the fact that 'stoopid' people exist as part of the national genetic spectrum? That Americans are no longer Whiteys? Are you prepared to accept and live with coffee-colored 'foreign' imports in your idealic reformed economic utopia? Are you going to welcome back the Banksterz clan, to setup their globalist pawnshopez again, or put a bullet in their neck and woodchip them? Are you going to feign 'tolerance', rather than any natural visceral skin-crawling disgust for all poofters and carpet-munchers? If you feel that way about them, would you want to pretend you didn't simply to make some ADL jooz happy? Are you going to be ok with them being removed from the gene pool, if a genetic aberration is their excuse to explain their life-style 'preferences'? This all opens a giant can of worms, and the answers are actually pretty hardline, and 'unfair', and discriminatory, and this is why people can not face it, and want to avoid any serious discussion of it.

Or as 'Darrel' suggested in, 'The Witches of Eastwick', "...why can't we all just ... get along...???"

Are you willing to go that far to live without conflict?

You sure? Because if we go down a nationalist path we better be clear about the fact that like Hitler, any genuine ultra-Nationalist that comes along also comes with their own pre-considered positions and extreme views, policies and above all--unstated plans. Hence, "Mein Kampf" was Hitler's pre-meditated response to the inside-job type attack on Germany over many decades, and to its cultural cohesion, etc.

It's not like anyone can tell a guy like Hitler to amend his policies, because you will be hung (or worse) if you do. This is what we are coming to, and as in Germany, the silent majority will go along with this, if it is presented to them in the right ways, to generate the sort of citizens necessary for it.

What would a beaver do if it discovered it's being attacked?
What would a skunk do?
What would a wolf do?
What would a human do?

Detailed history tells us what a Human will most likely do, just as a wildlife doco tell us what each of these animals will most likely do. It seems clear to me we're approaching another one of those great "kill or be killed" moments in human history. When the fighting starts we had better not be unsure of ourselves and what we want at the END (not just at the beginning of it), nor our commitment level, or our preparedness for action, to do anything necessary, no matter what it is. And to know clearly within ourselves what's necessary, and discipline ourselves to generate the necessary steps to get to it. That's how you get to walk on the moon, and it's also how you get the economic renewal and reset you need.

I'm pretty sure hunger, pain, deprivations and death will focus us pretty quickly on the identified steps to take, and you can be sure a coming popular nationalist, who is yet to emerge, but surely will, will understand this and will use it to good effect to enable currently unimaginably rapid changes with a similar methodology to how Hitler and Co. managed to turn a Jooz-destroyed Germany around.

And you can be sure that the Banksters will try to be the ones trying to control that person, just like they financed and tried to restrain Hitler. You knew that right? There is clear documentary evidence that a Jooz financier actually financed Hitler's beginning in politics, as they apparently wanted him as a useful-idiot in German politics (even though they would have undoubtedly read "Mein Kampf" ... think about that for a bit...), but he was not controllable and he apparently just took their money. Get your head around this stuff as it's coming ready or not, but if we get it wrong we'll in fact get '1984', and indeed this is exactly what they're planning ... slip in a 'designer' nationalist of their own making.

How will you know the real-deal from a banksterz fake?  Obaaahhhma looked like the real deal, except Goldman Sachs was his biggest financial backer, because they wanted to make sure he was the new clown in town during the investigations. The sad truth is that no genuine independent US Nationalist could hope to be elected now (as Hitler was elected) within the US system as such vast sums require prerequisite TBTF (Jooz) backing.


And that means any systemic reset has to involve a popular revolution, after things get REALLY BAD, with majority support of the military for the people, just like in Egypt, because nothing else can nor will get it done. Hence a yawning chasm must exist between the police and the general citizen debt-slave. And this also is why the debt levels of military personnel must be monitored and managed, to maintain their financial viability for as long as they serve. If they were in the same financial pickle as the rest of the proles, then they might become embittered and sympathize and identify with them regarding the wolf-in-sheep's clothing that's setup its global 'Ye Olde Pawnshope' in Wall Street.

So given this can not be achieved via the US 'democratic' sham mechanisms, if it happens an actual revolution with lots of dead people and stuff (like Yemen) is required? Are you OK with the White House being rocketed by the rebels, like Saleh's Palace? You better think about it if you're serious about getting rid of these Bankzter bastards. It took Hitler 15-years, and a hyperinflation, and two German mega-depressions, and a National famine, to finally get Germany free of these scumbags. So you can sort of understand why he was a bit pissy at them. And also understand why literally tens of millions of people cooperated, in multiple countries, right across Europe, to identify and kick them all out, completely, and deliver all of their tribe to the Germans to 'deal with'.

The reality was, most of Europe was up for this, they could see what the Jooz elites had done in Germany, and how blatant it was, and they realized their own financial Jooz parasites had been doing exactly the same thing within the other European countries. So it's not like the Germans had to force them to cooperate in deportations, it was in large part a cooperative affair, and mutual detestation of the litany of damage the Jooz had been doing to their countries.

And now Angela Merkel is swanning about with Stanley Fischer???

Look, we know that Jooz take over any organization they wish to control, via working their way into senior positions within the organization then they displace the old staff and replace them with 100% Jooz. Put a jew in charge, and pretty soon its wall to wall Jooz. And as Rothschild said;

T H E   M O N E Y   P R I N T E R   C A L L S   T H E   S H O T Z

So how do you fix that, if Stanley Fischer is then made Head of the NWO's IMF, and replaces the literally dis-credited USD with an SDR. Think he won't?

Is this not exactly what Rothschilds have always wanted more than anything else, total control and manipulation of the global money supply? We need nationalism (non 'ultra'), and we need it yesterday.


Pre-Googled for your convenience: Mein Kampf .pdf

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:12 | 1369851 OldPhart
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That's a hell of screed.  To do it justice I'll have to pop into Word to read slowly.

You writing a book or something?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:33 | 1369895 ping
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What would a beaver do if it discovered it's being attacked?
What would a skunk do?
What would a wolf do?
What would a human do?

Fuckit. I know the first and last ones from experience. The middle two are just guesses.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:03 | 1370189 bk1037
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Agree totally, we're not reading a novel here. Element, a business manager would throw you right out of his office making a case for an argument that is that lengthy, and I'm sure you have some good points in there. Constructive criticism intended.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:21 | 1373200 Element
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a business manager would throw you right out of his office making a case


I really don't give a fuck what a 'business manager' would say (and I've been one).

But I note you're being constructive, and so am I. ;-)

BTW, Mein Kampf was over 500 pages ... so I doubt many business managers read it in Germany.



Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:57 | 1369930 lincolnsteffens
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I junked you, but it should only have been a half junk since you said you didn't agree with most of it from the start. Just like Louis Hate-Monger Farrakahn said "Hitler was a great man, a wickedly great man." Most races or cultures hate those outside their group. This mostly stems from lack of understanding or even the capacity to understand other cultures. People prefer blaming others for misery of their own creation. Neo-Nazis hate Jews and non-lilly-whites. Shia hate Sunni, Muslims despise pork eaters, Rich dislike the poor, the poor dislike the rich, the Koreans and Chinese hate the Japanese....

It is out of ignorance and the Natural Selection of Species. We all have the same blood types running through our veins, we all have the same basic cell structures and nearly exactly the same DNA. We just can't get along so we make up stuff to justify the hatred and superiority we wrongly imagine belongs to us. We can be extraordinarily cruel.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:35 | 1369974 Element
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Thanks for the half-junk lol, and I completely agree in principle with that, and yet, because we can't, "all just get along", for so many basically stupid non-reasons, then it becomes necessary to deal with that.

I'd rather sit under the shady tree and watch the birdies chirp though, but when you’re being destroyed and enslaved from within, by a subculture that has no intension of ever condescending to ‘integrate’, and consider themselves a special ‘Chosen’ case, then this can not be just ignored indefinitely.

If there’s some hyper-inflation event, and your savings evaporate overnight and you're homeless, and you’re very hungry and malnourished, you'll no doubt see that denial or inaction or tollerance of this elite will not improve things (if you don’t already see that - I expect you do).

But thanks for your thoughtful remarks.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:28 | 1369964 Seasmoke
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 03:49 | 1370181 css1971
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LOL. You're just another self absorbed narcissistic psychopath.


That is: You're just the same as the bankers.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:05 | 1373205 Element
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LOL ... I'm just the same as the bankers! ... yeah, riiighht ... and so is Tyler ... right?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:25 | 1370182 i-dog
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Out-FUCKING-standing, dude!!!!

Just a few thoughts off the top of your head, eh?

I could carp about a few historical details and point out that the financing by the jooz was (and is) masterminded by (or more than just aided and abetted by) a few very old waspz, but the important thrust of "What to do about it?" stands as a masterful exposition. BTW, TPTB have no religion: they just want to make sure that you have one (so that they know that you fear something you can't see and are therefore 'manipulable').

6-stars and 3 thumbs-up! THIS is why I love ZH ... solid food for thought with no sugar coating. :)

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:58 | 1373192 Element
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You're too kind i-dog, thanks. The topic has been irritating me for a bit, and I wanted to get it out, for others to examine and respond to - hopefully beyond a verbal knee-jerk.

Glad you can see the point.  

Regarding Religion(s), and their use by the crookz to manipulate us, I agree in general with you, though I personally think an atheist view, although justifiable in many respects for those embittered by religion (as I once was when a teen), or rather by the 'religious' nutters and hypocrites (the real problem), the atheism is ultimately not consistent with the actually infinite existence that we are in and of - indeed, profoundly embedded.

That implies that the 'life' we 'live' is in in fact the life of the eternity, an intrinsic quality of that infinity, and that eternity is what possesses the capacity for 'life'. So life is in fact "Eternal" Life - already (and really, how could it be otherwise). But you and I, the 'conscious' expressions of Life, will 'die', but Life itself never does.

It seems clear to me this can therefore not be insignificant. As it implies that life is infinitely significant, and any aspect of it must be, likewise. So I don't think we need to make an undignified 'religious' circus and sham out of it, to manipulate the confused, and the dumbed-down, or just ignorant.

That's the real 'Sin' and 'Evil', to try and narrow people (children in fact) down to mere cult-ural sectarianism. Cults and cultures are not different, and the Jooz are just one of the most disgusting of the cult-ures though history. But that was and is their choice, to be a willful part of that, and not reject the partisan insanity of it and walk away. Because they would like to pretend that their Life is somehow chosen, and others are just their victims and slaves.

Hitler’s Ultra-Nationalism cult-ure was no better but aspects of it certainly worked fantastically well, for a time’, to turn back the banksterz, and orchestrate a spectacular national recovery – and that’s the salient point some responders apparently just couldn’t face.

Yet there are many examples of this sort of success of nationalism, and the Jooz State cult-ure HATES IT … more than anything … well, unless its their Nationalism … then it’s just dandy.

We can "be a light unto ourselves", and not go off the rails into insanity, if we are aware, direct, honest and clear about how things are, and operate, inside and outside us. And I'm pretty sure that's what the 'Jesus' character (and a Jooz dissenter no less!), was trying to convey, if such a person in fact existed.

I’m pretty sure a mere ‘religion’ was not his goal, and I’m also sure we don’t need prophets or spiritual ‘Leaders’, we just need to wake up, and thats up to each individual to do, and it is not available via any cult-ure.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 05:13 | 1370230 jaffi
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And, I thought that I could be long-winded.  Dude, I tried to read it but there was far too much mumbo-jumbo between the points.  You could have condensed what you said in about 4-5 paragraphs.  Also, you seem to be falling into the collectivist fallacy (pri. nationalism).  

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:20 | 1373232 Element
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far too much mumbo-jumbo between the points.


Yeah, there is, sorry, and it was mostly necessary to make the points I wanted to convey on a very complicated (and nasty) topic. I sure was not going to open-endedly recommend reading Mein Kampf, I'm only interested in the utility of nationalism to assist a country to recover its composure from economic and political collapse, etc.

Putin used a mild form of it, and it was EXTREMELY popular at home, as was he, ... and it was despised everywhere else ... especially within the globalize MSM ... who ignored and discounted that it mobilized the CITIZENS to generate a 'recovery' for the country.

The fact that it works so well for our current and pending situation, means we are going to see it used, and a spectrum of occurrences of it, and it would be nice if we understood its pitfalls, and dangers, and understand that is not a long-term tool, but a tool for the times.

Putin seems to have understood that, and he let it drop away, when its job had been done. Diminishing returns applies.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:21 | 1369871 Paul Bogdanich
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The guy has some things right but others wrong.  Where he says you need to lower tax rates for money kept overseas to entice it back here.  First we pay them to move it offhore then we pay them again to bring it back?  Horseshit.  Do like the Greeks are doing and let it be known to the controllers of the capital that if they or their immediate families or want to be able to "safely walk the streets" that they had better do the right thing and stop being so selfish.  How's that for "enticement." 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:28 | 1370055 FreedomGuy
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It's called coercion, not enticement. Takes an authoritarian state to do that in the absence of any criminal activity.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:29 | 1369882 lincolnsteffens
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I tuned in for about 10 minutes, saw it was mostly show business and then dropped out.

I sent Paul a campaign donation. I wish he would get off the Christian rhetoric. It gives me the feeling that he wants to push for legalizing more of "Christian morals" as interpreted by Christian man. Religious dogma is responsible for more death throughout history except for old age. Lets leave Religion out of Law and return to strong Constitutional Law.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:56 | 1370095 Cathartes Aura
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indeed.  share your views with Rand Paul, who is courting that "faith" demographic, yeah.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 23:30 | 1369887 Libertarian777
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the thing that I think most people NEVER get about Ron Paul is whenever they ask him what would he (as POTUS) do... (i.e. as the government) about this or that.

Half the time he has no (party line) response...because he doesn't believe the government should DO anything about most things. So it's hard to argue whether the government should fund this vs that. He would rather have them fund neither. But that isn't an 'acceptable response'.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:18 | 1369954 lincolnsteffens
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I disagree. Much of what today's government does is waste labor and squander  wealth. The government must shrink. Many departments, laws and programs should be eliminated to reduce the burdens on everyone. People on the government payrol need to be fired when they do a poor job or make horrendous mistakes and rewarded for extraordinary success. All people employed by government should not get any bennefits the average worker does not get.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:28 | 1369963 CitizenPete
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 02:21 | 1370066 Shell Game
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Saaa-WING and a miss!  You completely missed his point, 100% of it.  And, it was a good point too..


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 01:41 | 1370070 Shell Game
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+++  Excellent observation.  Paul's steadfast stace that .gov has no business in everybody's business baffles the mainstream......and, apparently some ZH'ers as well.  lol!


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:13 | 1369944 davelis
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Ron Paul makes a few good points but he has several big flaws in his thesis. He desire to return to the Gold Standard is a big one. This he thinks will help bring us back to our glory days.  The fact that the amount of gold mined in the last hundred years has not kept anywhere near the pace of worldwide economic growth guarantees deflation and a lot of it - forever. Whoever said the amount of any particular commodity, whether pork bellies, tulips or rum could be used as the barometer of economic activity must be an idiot.

The analog auto pilot of the gold standard worked fairly well within certain limits, which when exceeded resulted in countries going on and off the gold standard in a ceaseless merry go round as was witnessed in the late 19th and early 20th century before gold was retired from monetary use. 

As long as countries obeyed the gold standard rules things limped along. When a major economic power like the USA of the 1920s decided to not play by the rules by sterilization of gold inflows they were easily able to break the rules and screw their trading partners. Today we can guess who would be gaming the system - China. Eventually, the gold standard was the propagation of mechanism of the Great Depression to all areas of the world that were on the gold standard and the countries that got out sooner fared better. Analog auto pilots like the gold standard are best viewed in museums. They do not substitute for prudent financial policy.

Who can give us prudent financial policy. Old Ben at the Fed has been using his liquidity crisis mentality to attempt to jump start the moribund US economy with pure monetary policy. This is certainly a bridge too far. During the crisis atmosphere when companies were going down in flames all around that was appropriate. For quite some time its been the normal operating procedure. Now its over.

Well we'll see how it works out for the next Treasury auction.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:53 | 1370008 CitizenPete
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Somewhat agree/disagree.  I consider myself a fan/student of the Austrian School, however I do not support a gold-based money standard. I also hold physical silver and gold as a diversification on currencies.  In regards to monetary reform the production of PMs and other base and even nobel metals can be leveraged to create money as self (business) issued credit that becomes the backing for all credit and money in circulation. But so can corn, wheat, shoes, insurance, paper, electronics, services, etc...  all from self issued credit.  So in that type or monetary system gold (as well as any product or service) can be a promise that alows for new money to be created. 

As long as it is divorced (or separate)from the protectorate (government) and the creation of their public credit, to be extingished through taxes, there is less risk of the idiots in D.C. screwing us.


But we are a currently long way from self issued free market credit.   Everyone with a brain needs to understand this self-credit model, because it's going to evenetully need to be something like this... else we will get a global fiat currency (frectional, created from debt, and with interests) flogged and owned by the Basel Banksters and their puppet government bonds.  And yes that fiat currency might be tied to gold -- but so what? They still will run it out.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 00:26 | 1369962 CitizenPete
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RP2012 Become part of it.  Join your local grassroots organization and help elect Hope of America.  Go to and find the closest group to you that you can support financially or become engaged in working with. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 02:58 | 1370142 sensei
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When Ron Paul starts talking anything even remotely related to economics the other candidates just stare with stupid vapid smiles.  Not a one has any clue what Paul is talking about.  They have answers for the softball social issues, but getting down to economics or the core philosophical issues of what government should do requires too much thought. 

What we need is someone who looks like Mitt, thinks like Ron Paul and talks like Obama.  That man could win an election.  Unfortunately we are stuck with squirrely little Ron Paul.  He still  gets my vote though.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 03:19 | 1370160 Temporalist
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Proven Censorship of Ron Paul during his campaign

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 03:45 | 1370174 CactusLand
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Ron Paul is a sincere, liberty loving man who genuinely wants to end the empire, end the wars, replace the Fed with real money, and restore the Republic.  Check out this video, music: Peace Frog from the Doors, message... elect Ron Paul

Lets get this viral...a lot of young people don't remember this song, and there is a possiblity, if we get enough viewers, that the 20 somethings will associate Jim Morrison's power and energy with Ron Paul.  Put it everywhere..  Ron Paul 2012 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:18 | 1370199 Bob
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Good luck!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:37 | 1370214 css1971
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Not to cause offense, but Ron Paul is not going to win an election for president. You have to be an actor to be president these days.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:34 | 1370645 tmosley
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The times, they are a-changin'.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 04:48 | 1370217 Bob
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As a late thought, knowing how campaigns work, it occurs to me that the RP 2012 team has most certainly identified ZH as a fertile ground to be mined.  Hey, they're paid to do it and they do their jobs, however antithetical to Ron Paul The Man it might--or might not-- be.  

Just sayin.  I have no skin in this game. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 05:08 | 1370226 jaffi
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From Carroll Quigley's 'Tragedy and Hope' p. 1247:

"The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international.  The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers.  Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy."

This is the problem that nobody seems to understand, that both parties are the same and only differ in procedure, priority, and/or method.  Ron Paul has been the only guy that has consistently stuck to a principled approach that is consistent with the ideals of liberty and individualism.  Every other establishment politician is merely a caricature of the dynamic explained above.  The sooner people get their heads out of their asses and realize this, the better.  Because, if they don't, and they elect another candidate chosen by the PTB, then we are deeply and thoroughly fucked.   

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 05:13 | 1370234 Barmaher
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Ron Paul totally gets it on so many levels. 

Can somebody recommend a good tailor?


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:59 | 1370538 CitizenPete
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I'd like a 90% silver dime for every time he says "ahhh" or "um".  He is the real thing, not a robot, not a NWO puppet.  Go back and read (or watch) any he said 35 years ago -- the story has not changed.  He's the only candidate who didn't go upside down during the last primary. He's the only Representative (that I a aware of) that gives BACK some of his allocated finding for his Congrssional office every year.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 06:18 | 1370269 Sathington Willougby
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Opt out.  My life is not the public's. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:10 | 1370312 g speed
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:34 | 1370342 dcb
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if paul was elected, and as a progressive liberal I'd vote for him over any democratic candidate at this time I know of, he would be assinated. the status quo would never allow him to take office. it would be done by either the bankers, or the arms merchants. they only have gotten to the place they occupy because of crony capitialism.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:52 | 1370381 Sathington Willougby
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"as a progressive liberal "

You mean you believe in stealing from others at gunpoint?  The proper term is Pro-Regressive.  Count me out.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:15 | 1370436 snowball777
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not the one you'd hoped to convert per the article, I guess?


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:58 | 1370387 writingsonthewall
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Please note Ron Paul fans - how he blames a 'keynesian bubble which has been blowing for 70 years' but doesn't seem to recognise his parties role in this.

Obama may have not done 1 thing right - but did Bush? did Clinton? Did Reagan? All of these contributed to the current crisis.


Ron Paul is merely a reincarnation of Andrew W Mellon who famously said.

"liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate… it will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people"

...except just as Mellon ignored - some people were already working hard and living a moral life - they will be punished even though they did nothing wrong. Ron Paul takes the same hard line as Mellon did.


Ron Paul is merely speaking from the point of view of the large industrialists (modern day version = bankers and corporations)

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:44 | 1370667 tmosley
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Uhh, he stood against Bush just as strongly as he stands against Obama.  That is why the party officials hated him in 2008.

Dunno about Clinton, but he has spoken out about how he loves what Reagan said, but hated what he did.

RP isn't afraid to stand alone against his party, or the whole of congress.  That is why they call him Dr. No.  If there is a vote with one single vote "no", it is usually he that cast the vote.

If you want someone who stands against the status quo, then it's RP.

Also, the large industrialists are all corrupt fascists these days.  They don't support RP.  Only the little guy supports RP.  But you are too hung up on your false interpretation of words to recognize that.  All you know is that "Capitalism=bad" and "Republican=bad", apparently.  I suggest you look past the surface, or accept life as a tool.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:02 | 1371016 GreenSideUp
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Indeed.  Let me add that RP was banned by his own party from speaking at the 2008 repuke convention but they welcomed the war-mongering Joe LIEberman (I-Israel) to speak. So Ron Paul held his own convention across town.

Just turn off the teevee and talk radio, and read the man's words.  Sure, no one's going to agree on everything but any rational person can appreciate this man's principles and the voting record to go with.  Incidentally, of the RP supporters I know personally, MOST of them came from the left.  




Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:15 | 1370424 snowball777
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Okay, show of hands, how many people really think Ron Paul's "We Need a Depression Now, Not Later" campaign will really attract votes during a period of high unemployment and economic uncertainty?

How many elderly voters will throw their Medicare and SS down on the counter, give the finger to the AARP, and vote for Paul?


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:47 | 1370681 tmosley
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You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Nice complete and utter misrepresentation of his platform.  His first act would be to safely withdraw from all foreign conflicts, and then from most or all foreign military bases.  The money saved from that action would fund free health care for all twice over.  But no-one else wants to touch it because the military industrial complex is a sacred cow.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:06 | 1371917 Cathartes Aura
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again, if you truly believe a "president" can downsize, cut & withdraw the massive MIC that does the corporate /banker class bidding & protection. . . /sigh.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:15 | 1370425 the not so migh...
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Ron Paul has to become an attack dog if he is to win.  He has to many morals to win probably.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:29 | 1370463 Franken_Stein
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Dude, where is my country ?


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:20 | 1370605 anony
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No human bean has ever been created, nor will one ever be that can govern the disUnited States.

The would-be candidates among the children of today who wish to grow up to be POTUS, are totally ignorant of the impossible task they aspire to.

If it's not obvious to everyone by now that the U.S. is too big, too multi-poly-everything, and too spread out, then  y'all have yer heads in the sand.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:34 | 1370630 cpgone
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The sheeple will re-elect the clown who promises the most cake and circuses

and has the best one-liners during dancing with stars breaks.

I wish I was wrong.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:41 | 1370918 FunkyOldGeezer
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In my opinion, he is too isolationist by far and too simple in his thinking... he only sees black and white and none of the myriad shades of grey in between. It may well be that someone with such clarity is exactly what the USA needs right now, but I don't think he'd be right for the job. He'd have absolutely no diplomatic skills whatsover. I can't believe he's a people person, because he's totally the wrong side of frankness and candour, so he'd soon find himself a President with very few friends, both domestically and more importantly, on the international stage. I do not, for one minute, dispute his sincerity though, but that isn't enough.

If Ron Paul became President he'd soon realise that he wouldn't have any real power to do anything, just like the Presidents before him.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:10 | 1371625 Imminent Collapse
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Although I think it is too late for America to get out of this financial shitstorm, I have sent and will continue to send FRNs to Ron Paul to encourage him to tell it like it is.  Even if he doesn't win, he is planting seeds that will grow as things continue to go South. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 15:57 | 1372371 PaperBear
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CNN Reports Ron Paul At 0% While CNN Online Poll Shows Him At 75% ... HOLY S**T !!!
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