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Guest Post: An Agent Of The King In Every Home
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt Market
An Agent Of The King In Every Home
The legal concept of citizen privacy from
government intrusion is unfortunately a very new one in the long strides
of human history. The idea that government can be limited,
or restricted in its powers by the people, and that certain realms of
life can and should be off-limits to the prying eyes of bureaucracy, is
rarely applied in any culture of any era. This is because most civilizations have been founded and ruled upon the principles of military dominance. There was no separation between the government and the armies it fashioned; the government WAS the military. That
is to say, martial law was a way of life for society, privacy was a
foolish dream, and daring to contest the fact usually led to one’s
death.
The Magna Carta of 1215, which King John was
essentially forced to support, established a foundation for civil
liberties which would then be fought over for the next several
centuries. Beginning in 1627, and the ‘Petition of Right’
in Britain, common citizens began demanding a separation between
military and civilian life, as well as the dismantling of standing
armies which at that time were being used by the corrupt oligarchy as a
means to subdue the populace. The aristocracy called it “royal prerogative”. The masses called it tyranny. However, as we all know, such breaks in the suffocation of despotism are few and fleeting. Fractures
in the Petition of Right were frequent, and the aptitude of government
to make war (even when there is no call for war) became the common
excuse for the rulership to degrade civilian legal protections and
hurtle them back into the dark ages, where property is a novelty that
the authorities violate at their leisure.
During the years leading up to the American
Revolution, the British attempted to stifle the growing independent
nature of the colonies by issuing laws such as the ‘Writs of
Assistance’, bypassing rights to privacy and allowing officials to
search homes and businesses at will without probable cause, supposedly
in the name of “capturing smugglers”. Not fully satisfied
with this intrusion on the lives of the colonists, King George and his
cronies issued the ‘Quartering Acts’, which required all colonists to
welcome soldiers sent to subjugate them into their homes and to their
dinner tables. According to law, early Americans were not
only forced to allow warrant-less searches of their homes, they also had
to show hospitality to the goons sent to dirty their doorsteps!
The purpose of these actions by governments is to assert their control over a population. THAT – IS – ALL. Rationalizations
are always made; usually in the name of “protecting the public from
harm”, but the real name of the game is imperialism, and fear. When
the establishment violates the line of citizen privacy, and gives its
agents the legal free reign to enter your home at will, the message they
are trying to send is: “Your property is our property. Your life is our business. The law does not protect you. The law is our weapon.” In other words: Resistance is futile.
The Revolutionary War and the U.S. Constitution
should have been the final word on the matter of limited government and
the inherent rights of individuals. But, the Founding
Fathers only thwarted the elites for a time, and as long as such
powerful minorities of men exist, there will always be new methods of
tyranny, and new battles to be endured. Some may respond
skeptically, claiming that our society today is a far cry from the age
of British oppression and soldiers storming our living rooms and our
pantries. I would have to disagree of course, after I stopped cringing at their ignorance.
The 4th Amendment A Fond Memory…
Last month in a 3-2 decision that has shocked the
independent media community but gone mostly unreported in the
mainstream, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that citizens have no right
to block an officer’s entry into their home, even if the officer does
not have a warrant. The officer also does not have to give
any clear indication as to why he wishes to enter your home, meaning he
can enter without cause. Justice Steven David, one of the supporting judges stated:
“We believe … a right to resist an unlawful
police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible
with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence…”
“We also find that allowing resistance
unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of
injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest.”
Keep in mind, this is the same Indiana court that
decided in a previous case that an officer serving a warrant is not
required to knock (make his presence known) before entering your home if
he feels circumstances require it. So, to clarify; if an
officer wishes to walk into your house, for any reason, he may do so,
without a warrant, and without even knocking. You cannot block his path. You cannot close your door and lock it. You cannot kick his ass. You can’t even discuss the matter calmly with him before hand. He just walks in, and, he is legally protected.
Amazing…
While the Indiana Supreme Court did follow the
decision by pointing out that a homeowner may protest an officer’s
wrongful search through the courts after the fact, this is hardly any
solace, and is almost adding insult to injury, since these are the exact
courts that have decided our 4th Amendment rights no longer apply. Obviously,
once you allow authorities to savage your Constitutional freedoms, they
are hardly going to let you punish them later through their own court
system.
Indiana Sheriff Don Hartman Sr., in response to the
court ruling, stated in an interview that he believed the decision gave
him the power to conduct house to house warrant-less searches, an idea
which he still defends:
This is just the latest of a string of court decisions across the country which expand the definitions of applied law. That
is to say, there is a concerted and widespread effort by courts
(especially federal courts) to broaden the accepted language of the law,
so that, in fact, authorities can interpret the law to mean whatever
they wish it to mean for whatever purpose fits their specific needs at
the time.
Cell phones are fair game, according to courts in
California, and police now have the ability to search your personal data
when taken into custody, even if you have not been officially charged
with a crime:
http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-04/bay-area/26357969_1_cell-phones-searches-police-department
The Supreme Court has ruled that cops are allowed
to search your premises without a warrant if they “smell marijuana” and
“hear evidence being destroyed”. Just out of curiosity, what does it sound like when evidence is being destroyed? Does the Supreme Court have the sound on file somewhere? Without a doubt, certain not quite-so-honorable police will take advantage of this ridiculous decision:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/us/17scotus.html?_r=1
New Mexico has ruled that officers may confiscate
firearms from your vehicle during a traffic stop even if they have no
reasonable cause to do so, trampling the 2nd Amendment as well as the 4th. Also
in New Mexico (as in many states), if you have a conceal carry permit,
you are supposed to announce to the officer that you have a weapon on
your person. Meaning, now you have to let the traffic cop
know that you have a firearm in the car and hope he doesn’t decide to
take it away from you:
http://www.guns.com/nm-court-traffic-cops-can-seize-guns-even-if-no-law-has-been-broken.html
We saw the broadening tactic with the passage of
the Food Safety Bill S. 510 and the immensely heightened powers of the
FDA to regulate even the most minute farm activity. We also
saw it in the railroading of Liberty Dollar founder Bernard von NotHaus
by the Department of Justice when they used an obscure and loosely
worded statute, essentially comparing the coinage of ANY alternative
currency, no matter how distant in appearance to U.S. legal tender, to
counterfeiting. Now, we are seeing the tactic applied to the 4th
Amendment itself, as law enforcement agents are given extreme prejudice
to interpret their rules of engagement however they see fit. Such corruption has occurred despite the application of the 4th
Amendment, to be sure, but now, the ease at which it can occur and the
lack of any redress by citizens is so pronounced, there can be only one
outcome; police abuse on an incredible scale.
What we are witnessing is a time honored process
exploited by autocrats the world over, now being utilized right here in
America. What began with the passage of the FISA Bill and
the expansion of government power to tap and monitor any American’s
communications without a warrant, we are now seeing in our very
neighborhoods. The law is being fogged and obscured until
it is no longer clearly defined, which allows police and courts to
operate within a vast grey area of legal chicanery. All
social structures become warped in the wake of this process until we are
no longer able to recognize that which is lawful, and that which is
unlawful. In the end, we will discover that almost ANYTHING
can be labeled “illegal” by the establishment in such an environment,
and that no one, no matter how harmless and abiding, is safe from the
storm.
Going Down In Flames…
I see where this is heading, and the destination is
grim, but don’t take my word for it, just simply look at what is
happening around you. The divide between law enforcement and the citizenry is growing. With
the Department of Homeland Security now actively placing local police
and sheriff’s departments in military training regiments, in military
style gear, and even arming them with tanks and heavy machine guns (yes,
tanks and .50 cal machine guns), it is becoming much harder to qualify
local law enforcement as a civilian entity, rather than just another
extension of the Department of Defense:
http://reason.com/blog/2008/09/01/sheriff-lotts-new-toy
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_16004590
Even if military outfits like Northcom are not used
openly as a standing army within the U.S., we already have a standing
army in the form of men who were once called peace officers, whose
mandate was once to “protect and serve”. Now, the words “to
protect and serve” are disappearing from police cars nationwide, and we
have a law enforcement community gearing up for war! The economic breakdown has exacerbated the situation even further. As
states lose more and more funding due to the crashing municipal bond
markets, they are now becoming completely dependent on federal cash. And, with federal cash, there are many unfortunate strings attached…
If you have been paying attention to
police brutality cases over the past few years, then you have noticed a
blatant trend towards swift and immediate unprovoked violence resulting
in terminal consequences. When law enforcement is trained
for combat, for attack, rather than defense, when they are conditioned
to believe that the public is the enemy, and that they are somehow
separate, or superior, very bad things begin to happen. Let’s take a short walk down memory lane…
Oscar Grant, 22, was shot in the back by police in
Oakland, CA, while restrained and laying on the ground, pleading with
officers that he had a four-year-old-daughter. The incident
was caught on at least three separate cell phone cameras (which may
have been one of the reasons why courts in CA are so keen on allowing
warrant-less search and seizure of cell phones). The
shooting officer, Johannes Mehserle, was eventually charged with
involuntary manslaughter (???) serving a two year sentence and eligible
for parole by the end of this year. If his actions had not
been caught on video and disseminated across the web, who knows if he
would have even been charged at all:
John T. Williams, 50, and nearly deaf in one ear, was shot by Seattle
police for whittling a piece of wood while walking across the street. Officer
Ian Birk exited his vehicle, claiming Williams was “acting strangely”,
yelled at him to drop the knife, then giving him less than ten seconds
to comply, fired several rounds from his weapon, killing the man. The officer later claimed that Williams walked towards him in a menacing fashion. Witnesses argued to the contrary. Note that Birk had already drawn his firearm as he exited the vehicle. Also
note that Birk did not identify himself as a police officer as is
required by law. Williams’ knife was also found folded shut by
responding officers to the scene. Birk resigned due to public pressure, but was not charged with a crime:
And most recently, Jose Guerena, 26, and a former marine, was shot 60
times (a sign of undisciplined fire) in Pima County, Arizona, by a
SWAT team entering his home also occupied by his wife and four-year-old
son. Guerena’s wife stated that she had seen men through the window with guns, but that they could not be identified. Guerena grabbed his rifle (as most marines would) and told his family to hide. The
Pima Sheriff’s Department has changed their story on this incident
several times now, but this much is clear; the department claimed
Guerena fired at them with his AR-15 as they entered the home. This was a lie. Guerena’s weapon had the safety still on after his death. When this fact was made public, Pima admitted that he never fired a shot. Pima claims that they have a warrant for the Guerena home, but have obtained a court order which had it sealed from the public. Why they had it sealed is unknown (did they even have the right house?). The Guerena raid was part of a neighborhood action, supposedly to bust a drug dealing operation in the area. No drugs were found in Guerena’s home. The reason why SWAT was necessary to serve the warrant in the first place is also still unclear:
My purpose in showing you these disturbing videos is not to make you hate cops. It is to illustrate a dangerous trend amongst our civil servants. Where
we once had a few “bad apples” to contend with in our police
departments, now we have official training handed down from the DOD
which practically requires law enforcement officials to undergo a combat
mindset, a psychology of aggression. In many cases, I believe, these officers are not doing what they do out of malice or ill intent. They are doing what they do because they are being TRAINED to do it. This is what happens when a society becomes militarized. It cannot be avoided, and it will only get worse from here on. Now
imagine a violent element like this being given unlimited power to
decide which homes they wish to enter and how they will enter them…
Why I Will Not Submit To A Warrant-less Search…
Constitutional values cannot defend themselves. They require the people to stand firm, and to never yield. Americans
today have yielded far too much already, and at some point very soon,
we’re going to have to make the hard choice on what is more important;
our general safety and personal comfort, or our freedoms and the
freedoms of future generations. Like the American Colonials, we have a system that does not serve our best interests, but the interests of an elite few. We are quickly losing our ability to dictate the terms of our own society, and our own destinies. Sadly, we are not yet presenting the determination that the colonials held in the face of this danger. Today, we are a nation mourning its own demise before it has even occurred. We have turned to reluctant compliance and submission. We are, frankly, whiny and pathetic.
This does not have to be.
While fantastic organizations like Oath Keepers are
working hard to educate police and military on their sworn duty to
uphold and defend Constitutional liberties, we as the citizenry must
also show our support and resolve to see that the values and principles
outlined in that historic document are not tarnished by apathy. The proverbial line in the sand must be drawn now, or not at all. This means, at the very least, non-compliance with unjust laws that defile our conscience, as well as our heritage.
The common response to this by naysayers would be: “You’ll comply when you have a gun in your face…”
That’s what naysayers throughout history have always said, though. They said it to the Founding Fathers, to Gandhi, and beyond. There will always be another gun to put in the faces of men who fight for the truth of a thing. There will always be men to point those guns at us. The question is, who will be more steadfast? Is the will to dominate really stronger than the will to be free? Can you ever control a people who do not fear you, even at the barrel of a gun? This
is the mindset that brought this country to life, and it is a mindset
we must rediscover, if we are to have any chance of survival.
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Home of the cowardly ignorant indifferent "Dancing with the Stars" viewer, land of the wage slave, totally subject to government surveillance and propagandistic mind control. There I said it.
The gestapo is warming up for what is to come... Welcome to 1984.
Just make sure their paychecks bounce, they will have bigger problems then serving warrents.
You may not want it to make us hate cops ... and cops should be individuals and not just cops ... but this is all wrong and maybe we need cops less than we think we do.
Excellent reading!
Bluto: Hey! What's all this laying around stuff? Why are you all still laying around here for?
Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron? We're all expelled. There's nothing to fight for anymore.
D-Day: [to Bluto] Let it go. War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard of something to say]
Bluto: The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[Bluto runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: [stands up] Yeah, I agree. Let's go get 'em.
Boon: Let's do it.
Bluto: [shouting] "Let's do it"!
[all of the Deltas stand up and run out with Bluto]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Cops = compliant servants of the class enemy. (Lenin).
And that is why there were no cops in the Soviet Union...
thats why we have federal court. the indiana law will surely be knocked down. you see, sometimes its good to have the sanity of federal court appellate over state court loons
https://tbrickert.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/8-1-the-4th-amendment-loses/
I think it's pretty clear where the highest federal court in the land stands on this issue, and it's not on the side of the people or the 4th amendment.
Arizona
It was the Supreme court that allowed the entry and search "if they hear evidence being destroyed". In this case a toilet being flushed. It wasn't even the person's house they were looking for. So, next time you flush, better make sure a cop isn't around- you might have company.
I guess cops aren't like officer Joe from Popeye anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM
St Crispin's Day Speech from Henry V by William Shakespeare c1599
Enter the KING
WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!
KING. What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
Thanks Gully.
Been a while on that one.
I think I like this one better, but the Crispin speech is also good.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a galled rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swill'd with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.
Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof!
Fathers that, like so many Alexanders,
Have in these parts from morn till even fought
And sheathed their swords for lack of argument:
Dishonour not your mothers; now attest
That those whom you call'd fathers did beget you.
Be copy now to men of grosser blood,
And teach them how to war. And you, good yeoman,
Whose limbs were made in England, show us here
The mettle of your pasture; let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
For there is none of you so mean and base,
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'
HENRY V, Act III, Scene I
The courts have blantly abdicated their duty to uphold the constitution - therefore it has become just a piece of paper - the banksters and eliete have plundered the masses into a broke and fearful stupor and who will soon willingly march into FEMA camps for food, shelter and heat. I fear only a violent uprising or civil war will put this country back on its unique path to individual liberty....meanwhile how about those Yankees?
2 legal tips:
1.) If law enforcement knocks on your door and asks if they may come in, the appropriate response should be NO. Or, not without a warrant. The Indiana case only applies in Indiana. &
2.) The best organization to fight these things has been, and still is the American Civil Liberties Union. Join up today.
The Indiana case is puzzling as to why they even thought it was their job to define the scope of the 4th Amendment...they do not have the power to decide this for Indiana or for anybody else.
terrible tommy lives in indiana, but they always bother him all the time anyway....:)
Rise of the Planet of the Apes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqyKYrDta_E
Hmm, I wonder if they know what they got coming?
You're all nuts. (That is if they don't just kill you first.)
How does that work? Here's a good primer if you haven't seen it already. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_(film)
When you declare and support endless war(s) against anyone at anytime -
then do not be surprised when you become just like the evil ones you fight.
Hell the Amerikan Pres says it is his right to excute anyone anywhere at anytime on his whim.
Get used to the freedoms that YOU the majority of the shepple have voted for.
That reads: "... to protect and serve The Corporation."
ABC
good post
More cops use armored fleets as Americans amass arsenals
Federal money, attacks on cops fuel trend for armored fleets for police
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/os-cop-toys-big-money-20...
It's batshot insane.
We were on a trip a couple of weeks ago in Missouri and in the middle of a Sunday afternoon some drunk got a little goofy, no big deal at all, and the fukin SWAT team showed up in a freakinBATTLE tank looking vehicle all armed to the TEETH and in full mil combat gear.
I kept looking for the movie crew, but they were not around.
Otherworldly, i had not seen anything like it since the riots in the late 60s.
Yes, but as they told us waaaaay back when I was in the Army, "Taking out armored vehicles in an urban environment is fun and easy!"
"Royal Perogative", the 1600's talking point.
As George Carlin once said, what we have is a bill of temporary privileges. Because that's all they are, when someone can take them away. Well they have been.
Someday like that 1990's outler limits episode, a digital copy of the declaration of independence will be forbidden.
That indiana sherriff seems as much of a fucktard as good ol boy Sherriff Joe Arpaio, fascist thug.
...and imperial monetarism strikes again. God save our Queen...naw, I say fuck her, she ain't my queen. I'm an American and nope I didn't watch your wedding spectacle, and I'm sure in the hell not buying your crappy DVD. (what no bluray?)
Same old monarchy backed bankster monetarism.
Glass-Steagall will bankrupt the bitch and all her cronies. You want that? FORCE CONGRESS to pass it.
I don't post often but...
Good article but that Oscar Grant stuff should not be included. I live in the bay area and had to relive the rioting that ensued due to Oscar's death, and loss of personal property. Facts that should be included on that part are:
1) Grant was harassing fellow BART riders which is why the police were called in.
2) Grant was resisting arrest, which is NOT shown in the video.
3) If you hear the video and see the officer Mersehel (sp?) reaction after the gun went off, he goes "OH my god oh my god" Why would anyone who meant to shoot his gun say that. Why would an officer want to spend time in jail for manslaughter when he could just taze teh guy. Supposedly he meant to grab his taser. Who knows but I am putting my money on that.
4) Lastly, grant has already served jail time and the only picture that they showed on the news was him standing high as f*ck.
5) Grant was a thug.
Other than that decent piece. But honestly, the guy was a thug and had been caught carrying a concealed weapon before.
thanks for honest counter balance
Grant may have been a dick but that was manslaughter at best...
he shot him with a GUN at POINT BLANK RANGE for squirming...
was he remorseful after the fact? Probably.
Did he think he'd drawn his Taser? (also a lethal weapon)
no way.
@ Arrinex: You miss the point, bud.
I'm guessing your arguring that the point is that law enforcement has changed over the last 20 years and will continue to evolve, restricting human rights. True.
But, I have to say that the video is not a good representation of police brutality, and if anything, it takes away from the argument since the individual who was shot was a menace. "Sticking feathers up my butt does not make me a chicken", ie. Including a video of an individual (with a long criminal history) who was shot due to poor training of an officer (he was ruled by a jury of his peers that the officer meant to grab his taser) does not provide ground evidence of police brutality.
"more training" is the answer? I guess you think we should be taxed more for police training now? And if police taze another 100 people to death next year then more tax paid "training" again right?
you fucking pigs are demented
I'm guessing that you're a police officer, or are somehow associated with law enforcement.
It was an accidental discharge, eh? Does that mean that the officer is not to be held accountable for his negligence?
I don't work in law enforcement; rather, I work in the industry that everyone on this website loathes and detests. It pays the bills, but not much after that.
The officer was held accountable for his actions for negligence (he was judged by his fellow peers). He will forever have to live with the fact that he shot a man in cold blood, which is something I would have a hard time coping with. The officer also had his first child born the night before and had 3 hours of sleep (exhaustion can do funny things with the mind.
Also, they did move the trial from oakland to LA due to rioting) there were 2 days of rioting due to Oscar's death. Irony.
Police brutality and police incompetence are not mutually exclusive concepts in my opinion. Rather, both issues seem to be the standard in American law enforcement.
I refuse to be an apologist or a defender of these criminal actions.
The fact that the shooting was an accident... whatever. Even if he was going to taze him, the guy was already subdued and on the ground with his back to the officer.
#5 is bullshit. You didn't like the riots, but you are blaming the victim.
Supposedly we have a right to bear arms, per the Second Amendment. "Arms" are best defined as the tools needed to wage war. Doesn't say anything about concealment, and permits are an "abridgement". So because the guy was charged with violating an unconstitutional law, and did not respect uniformed thugs, it's OK to kill him?
that is one funny picture, is that granny with the uzi on the other side of the screen door?
Thank God I don't live in the U.S..
Boy, this is frightening.
The cop didn't even attempt to shoot at the legs, nor did he fire a warning shot.
Don't they teach your police officers the chain of escalation, as they teach to police forces around the world ?
1. "Drop the weapon !"
2. "Drop the weapon NOW !"
AND
3. Warning shot (no gun drawn by suspect)
4. Targeted non-lethal shot (no gun drawn by suspect)
XOR
5. Targeted lethal shot (gun drawn by suspect)
There are too many trigger-happy rambo white guys in the U.S. police force.
These white people in the U.S. police / military behave like the SS.
This sucks.
"The cop didn't even attempt to shoot at the legs, nor did he fire a warning shot."
Obviously you know nothing about law enforcement/military and/or its training here in the U.S.
I know enough to know that it's crappy.
You mean to "serve and protect"?
Not sure where you are, but here in MA police at both State and Local levels go to an academy for six months, the State is a live-in, pretty freaking long by industry standards. MA also has arguably the most stringent laws in the country regarding encounters, use of firearms, and it is drilled into you during that six months, on top of yearly training for your entire career that is mandatory.
In addition, MA law enforcement is almost entirely ex-military, thanks in part to "Veterans Preference" laws, and in my academy, only one person in the entire class didn't have any college. So it's not like we're discussing a bunch of high school, uneducated dropouts, at least not here in Massachusetts. If anything, it's like winning the lottery, crazy benefits for as much or as little work you want to do, I don't know a single Sargent that makes under $100k/yr, which is very easy to do here in MA (can argue about compensation in a different thread).
MA may be a bad example to compare some the shit going on across the country, but I'll stand by what I stated earlier, even with LE's flaws, there are far more good than bad ones out there.
And for the idiot in the prior post, it's called "Shoot to Stop the Threat", and yes, we use a "Use of Force" continuum, if you don't, you lose your job and probably your house. "Warning Shot", what are you? Fucking 12? Where are you going to shoot your warning? It's hard enough to fucking shoot your intended target and know where the shot is going, let alone a "warning shot" you fucking infant.
100k a yr plus benefits ! no wonder the US is broke. US college education means jack diddly FYI. Seriously , i think going to college in the US now in fact probably makes you dumber. Id wager the average MA trooper has as much common sense as a dung beetle.
Your good v bad metric is also irrelevant. Do you think Hitlers regular army was full of "bad people"? Do you think the Arabs and Taliban and which other poor fuckers are trying to fight for their sovereignity are all "bad"? Of course not. Police forces , like Armies the World over , are made up of average people who are probably a delight when theyre out at the ballgame. Put them in uniform and give them orders and things change....good men they maybe but they all follow orders and stand up for their own when push comes to shove.
"US college education means jack diddly FYI. Seriously"
Maybe for you. I stated the compensation was for another thread, but since you brought it up, in a completely uninformed manner. Maybe where you are an education means shit, but here in The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts it's everything. Particularly for law enforcement. You see, we have this little thing call The Quinn Bill. What it does, is supplement our base pay based on our education level. An associates gets you 10%, a bachelors 20%, and a masters 25%. So you're wrong, education does in fact pay, very well in fact here in The Republic. Just because you don't believe in it, doesn;t mean it holds true for everyone.
Personally, I don't agree with it even though I benefitted from it. Back in the day, they had "diploma mill" schools just for cops, I was a little jealous because I actually went to a normal college and had to at least appear to be interested. The Republic has clamped down a bit on the abuse, but education, here in The Peoples Republic, does in fact pay.
"Id wager the average MA trooper has as much common sense as a dung beetle."
Again, stereotyping, but that's ok. In fact, most cops at supervisory levels go all the way. Something about being here in The Republic, but a lot of us finished law school as well. I know in your world it appears education is usless, and I'd tend to agree with you outside of Massachusetts, but that's not the case here, for now, for this discussion. Get a bachelors in say English or History, and not become LE here, then good luck to you.
have you ever handled or even fired a hand gun, I would think not based on your comments, but what can we expect from people that keep voting the kennedy's in in perpetuity/
"have you ever handled or even fired a hand gun, I would think not based on your comments,"
You mean like they do in the movies and have 100% accuracy and not worry about what's behind the target? You know, in case, forbid, you miss? In an encounter that statistically happens within 7 yards? Oh wait, that doesn't happen. You're right, no training or practice necessary, because you know, use of firearms isn't a diminishing skill right?
Regardless of the merits of any individual officer's actions, he or she may be found guilty of a crime, in a court of law, if the department he or she serves is deemed to have committed a crime.
Welcome to the NWO... "failure to prevent" is a crime
Unfortunately, the current Gestapo-in-training is a product some the same broken education system that fails the youth, but they'll make good patsies for the powers they serve in the future.
The doing one's job and not being an active co-conspirator will not work as defense for any member of the Syrian police who gets dragged before the ICC in the future, just as it didn't work at Nuremberg or Tokyo trials. The doing one's job defense didn't work for John Demjanjuk who was found guilty of wearing a uniform in Germany 70 years ago. If things get bad enough in the US, members of the law enforcement community will have one simple choice, "speak now, or forever hold your peace."
Rambo white guys,nothing like a racist foreigner commenting.
Dude, be white, and get in a discussion with a Black officer.
Be happy your not in the US.I am.
I do not want to discredit the article but there are few things to consider. Yes the police is bein militarized but in a martial law type of scenario there is not enough manpower to enforce it. American law enforcement numbers are not as strong as some of you think. According to the BLS (bureau of Labor Statistics), there were only 883,600 law enforcement personnel in 2008. And that was before the financial collapse and subsequent layoffs in local departments across the nation. The number included detectives, managers, police and sheriff's patrol officers.The police are used to dealing with people who are afraid of them and have something to lose. In a collapse scenario, the rioters will lack both characteristics. Even if the military manages to acquire all 1.5 million reserves and utilize 1 million of it's total 1.5 million personnel in the Navy, Army, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard, it would struggle to control 308-310 million citizens in a land mass of 9,161,966 sq km.
You can confirm these numbers by looking at the U.S. Census or CIA World fact book.
Even this scenario is incredibly optimistic, because it assumes that 100% of the national guard and Army reserves will show up when the dollar has crash and they're worried about their families. The 1.5 million number doesn't even factor in the fact that many of these people are overseas fighting (in Iraq and Afghanistan) and serving on one of the 700 military bases in 130 foreign countries. So if the dollar collapses and the nation erupts into chaos, will the military be able to ship them home quick enough? I doubt.
It would be very difficult for the U.S. military to successfully implement martial law throughout the entire country at any given time. This would mean that they would have to secure hundred of thousands of neighborhoods, while securing all major airports, power stations, communication towers, water facilities, nuclear power plants, military bases, food distribution center, grocery stores, government official buildings and highways while keeping everyone in their homes after 6pm.
Bringing in foreign troops would problematic, because if the U.S. is in a panic, wouldn't the other countries that are so heavily tied to America also have their own problems. Plus, we know how well foreign occupations went in Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iraq.
So in all the militarization of police is scary but if we ever have a nation wide emergency the LEO agents will get overwhelmed or stay at home protecting their families.
Perhaps, but we still have
Police Power out of control:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/16/pre-crime-policing
http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/01/45-swat-raids-per-day
http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/17/flashbangs-under-fire
http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/14/chicagos-thick-blue-wall
http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/01/jericho-bile
http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/05/scenes-from-a-crackdown
http://reason.com/archives/2009/09/28/the-infallible-prosecutor
http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/19/sheriff-joes-enabler
"...We are not yet presenting the determination that the colonials held in the face of this danger. Today, we are a nation mourning its own demise before it has even occurred. We have turned to reluctant compliance and submission. We are, frankly, whiny and pathetic."
No kidding. Now you know why "affirmative action" and "political correctness" and "feminizing education and society" were and are so important to the Progressives who want to destroy the U.S. Constitution and replace it with their own N WO-MANifesto. "Feminine" traits = desiring current security and protecting the children, comformity, compliance, and passivity. "Masculine" traits like hostility and aggression towards tyrants are not welcome in the NWO playbook. Neither are guns. Neither is anyone with a set of balls determined to defend their freedoms and liberty WITH THEIR OWN BLOOD.
Feminize the society, take their guns away, emasculate and disempower the males: then let the docile pussified citizens get used to Big Brother controlling them at every step and turn. Oh, how "politically correct". Oh, how "feminine". Oh, how "modern and progressive"
+1
that's quite the mindfuck you've committed to post.
quite how a militarised police state can be considered "feminine" by any stretch of the imagination is mind-numbing - and believing that a desire to remain secure, and desiring security for one's family and children is a "feminine" trait, not MANifesting in the father's character, borders on sociopathic.
owning and using a gun does not automatically make you a Man dude, nor does empathy bestow upon you a vagina. Here's hoping you don't breed.
I'm sorry but the "Oath-keepers" are generally a bunch of passive-aggressive and very conflicted LEO and service members. Few of them even understand what their oath to defend the Constitution actually means. They are so conflicted in fact, that they list many illegal things they will not do (gee thanks for saying you'll follow the law there, buddies) -- as if that replaces their real oath or makes up for the fact that they are truly not upholding it.
"The poorest man may, in his cottage, bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail - its roof may shake - the wind may blow through it - the storm may enter - the rain may enter - but the King of England cannot enter." ~ William Pitt, the first Earl of Chatham.
Fascinating / appalling report on The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf
Writs of Assistance 2.0.
There will be no black market.
John T. Williams, who walks around a main street whittling wood with a knife? That one is kind of hit-and-miss. If i seen a guy coming towards me making a spear with a knife...all i am saying is that shit dosent work in public. I wouldn’t even feel comfortable walking around with a knife myself, never mind making spears in front of people lol. (assuming he was making a spear, he could have been making a a little doll or something, i dont think so though…how threatening do you have to be before you are shot? He just found out.)
As for Jose Guerena, he was running about his house with a weapon; as a marine, what the fuck was he thinking when his wife told him there were men outside with guns? Did he think it was bin laden or al qaeda? He went into Rambo mode(fail) and went out in corpse mode. Moral of story, be a good citizen and these things remain statistical anomalies.
scratch n sniff go f*** yourself. You must be a cop or some type of LEO. The same bullshit logic they use when they interogate someone not aware their rights and they say :if your innocent and you got nothing to hide why won't you talke with us?"
I do not trust the law they are basically a bunch thugs who think they can do what they pplease regardless of if it's legal or not.
What would you be saying if that guy had knifed your daughter, or the other guy had sold her crack, im just saying, accidents happen. Its no reason to get all pissy and start a revolution or anything.
John Williams was an Indian woodcarver.
He was not carving a spear.
He carved small totems that he sold to tourists.
His knife was about as big as a Swiss Army pocket knife.
(Remember - we all carried those until 9/11)
He was a regular fixture on those streets where he was killed.
You ought to redirect your fear to where it should properly be placed.
You might be the next 'criminal' in the sights of an enforcer's gun.
Thanks for clearing that up, i never knew that, i suppose i can put it down to nerves now...but lets be clear here, do you want your cops to carry guns, or would you prefer they were like London bobbies on the beat? Can you accept that some cops make mistakes or not? Surely its a policy matter, and not one of liberty?
You do not even deserve a junk, cause you are definately a MORON.
lol junk, ok.
*yawn
An "accident"? WTF? Get your head out of your ass. That was cold blooded murder by a renegade yahoo wearing a badge.
"Renegade", thank you, for a minute there i was kind of thinking that you guys were assuming he did it on orders.
If someone sell your daughter crack i think you should start checking your parenting skills before worrying about Delta Force double tapping every pusher because they look threatening.
This is called custodial interrogation. Used all the time to build a case against you even before you are arrested.
Never, ever, ever talk to a LEO. Never.
One word: Lawyer.
The 5 most important words to remember when speaking to law enforcement:
"I have nothing to say."
Keep repeating those five words, over and over again, no matter how nice the LEO(s) are being to you. They are not your friends. They are trying to get you to incriminate yourself.
The next words out of your mouth should be "Am I under arrest?; If not, I'll be on my way."
"Am I free to go, officer?"
"Am I free to go, officer?"
"Am I free to go, officer?"
...
Until they let you walk away.
There are 10x more home invasions in that state than SWAT raids. The man was defending his home and familiy. In fact, he sacrificed his life by not shooting, likely because he did recognize them as LEO. The itchy trigger-finger jackboots, on the other hand....
" he sacrificed his life by not shooting" Maybe he just did not get the chance, maybe the SWAT seen he had an automatic weapon and that was enough...would you wait on him turing around all startled?
" ... maybe the SWAT seen he had an automatic weapon and that was enough."
Where has it ever been suggested that Jose Guerena was in possession of an automatic weapon?
GTFOH, its practically an M16, Jesus christ.
Former Marine Jose Guerena had just finished an overtime shift at an Arizona mine, had been asleep for less than two hours when his wife woke him with the news that men with guns were outside their home. He told her to take their child to safety while he grabbed his LEGAL AR-15. Sixty bullets (out of 71 fired) from the Pima County SWAT hit Guernena who had not taken his weapon off SAFETY.
The SWAT team refused to send in paramedics for over an hour and your response is, "GTFOH, its practically an M16, Jesus christ."
"Men outside" With SWAT logo's printed all over they're helmets and bollocks you mean? Those "men", with SWAT trucks parked all over the place, and cop lights lighting up the street? Fuck off.
"To buy what you're pitching, you would have to believe that Guerena — the father of two young boys, who was working a night job to save money for a new home, who had no criminal record, who served two tours of duty in Iraq and was honorably discharged — knowingly took on a team of armored, well-armed police officers, himself armed only with his rifle, and with his wife and young child still in the home. You’d also have to believe that the battle-tested former Marine forgot to turn off his weapon’s safety before the shooting began." ~ Radley Balko
So, before we go any further, why dont you state the implications of what you are implying.
MURDER
I guess you can't be bothered to watch the video. I didn't see SWAT logos on anything. No lights. I did hear a car alarm though - and a bunch of cowards pouring bullets into an open doorway.
Of course he didn't watch the video. This SWAT raid took place at 9:30 am. How would "cop lights light up the street" IN THE DAYTIME?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Those 'men', with SWAT trucks parked all over the place, and cop lights lighting up the street? Fuck off."
What, you know what i meant - sirens, knocks on the door "open up police", the door getting kicked down, men is SWAT gear etc...if he had no criminal record, who the fuck would be kicking down his door at 9:30am anyway? Could the problem be inherent in the way you let people keep semi automatic weapons in their houses maybe? Could the problem be that your wild west constitution fills people so full of shit that they feel that after a knock at the door they can jump out of bed with an AR 15 to sort it all out? If you want to keep the right to defend yourselves, you should be prepared for more scenarios like this.
"If he had no criminal record, who the fuck would be kicking down his door at 9:30am anyway?"
Exactly.
Why not have a uniformed police officer(s) ring the doorbell and properly serve a search warrant on a law-abiding citizen?
"Could the problem be inherent in the way you let people keep semi automatic weapons in their houses maybe?"
Your ignorance is staggering.
My ignorance is staggering? Maybe you should look at the rest of the western world (no, not the wild west), and i think you will find, it's American ignorance that is staggering. When was the last time 60 bullets was pumped into a man in a country with realistic gun controls? You guys are off you're fucking heads with weapons, and you want to get pissy when something like this happens, do me a favour - you expect those SWAT to even consider taking a bullet for your retarded constitution - here's my take on it; if i was sent to that house, and this guy comes waltzing around the corner with that weapon, IM SORRY but its a no-brainer, he’s fucked. All you clowns think you can carry personal weapons around like hero’s and no ones ever going to get laid out- he he he ho ho ho ha ha ha.
DP
LMAO! You obviously have never witnessed a SWAT raid. Hint: they don't show up in marked police cars with sirens blaring.
was it your priest or your scout master that used to molest you...
You, who are unwilling to defend yourself, will be one of the first to volunteer for the free government showers.
Sun Tzu; "The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.” ...failing that, choose your battles wisely.
Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive.
Sun Tzu
Dont start gun fights with your wife and kids in the house.
Scratch and sniff.
So finally you are admitting that he did the right thing and stood down while he was riddled with gunfire. Thanks for succumbing to our position.
How do you know he stood down, HOW DO YOU KNOW? He was fucked before he could think, OK? If you run around your house with a semi automatic weapon with a SWAT outside, its ONLY GOING ONE WAY FOOL!! Verdict, at best- misadventure, NOT fucking PROOF OF RESIDUAL LOSS OF LIBERTY IN A BURGEONING PLOICE STATE! More like proof of the fact that there are endless fucktards willing to jump into any reactionary shite that they so come across on the interweb.
You said the magic words. He was in his house. He has the right defend his life and his property.
You'r a fucking clown son - go and play with your toy constitution and STFU.
Typical. Can't deal with the basis of the argument so you result to name calling.
The basis of the argument is a hazy one my friend - the main point you should consider in this one is that shit happens, and sometimes it doesnt' make any sense. In the heat of the moment, real people have to make real calls in real situations, and you should hope and pray you never grow the balls to be in one yourself one day.
Bottom line is he had the drop on them. If he wanted to shoot ,rather than access the situation, he could have taken several of them out before they knew what happened. But he didn't. He stood down and was slaughtered.
Bottom line is that he was an idiot, hes in your gang.
Again, with your limited mentality, you can't deal with the basis of the argument so you lower yourself( or in your case raise yourself) to name calling.
You tell me the basis of your argument, please do i cant FUCKING WORK IT OUT!!!? But let me say this, if it comes back to your constitution, there is no point, because your constitution is a fucking ancient joke.
He was in his house he has the right to defend it. He also has a second amendment right to his fire arms. There was no warrant , a violation of his fourth amendment right. They were raiding the wrong house. He could have taken several of them out before they knew what happened when they burst through the door, but he stood down and didn't. As trained officers they should have had more restraint in the situation but they decided instead to gun him down.
Bottom line ...I'm right and you're wrong. I wish I had more time to argue with you but you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand, so I'll move along.
Why do you have the right to defend yourself against police officers and SWAT? What fucktard dreamt that one up? What are police officers going to do, rape your wife? steal your TV? What are you even defending? You dont have a right to point a weapon at police - even your constitution is not retarded enough to give those rights.
HE DID NOT stand down, he retained his weapon and the fucking SWAT dont have 20:20 vision to spot that the safety was off. If he had of dropped his weapon and told them it was a mistake, we would not be having this conversation, he would be alive, his wife would not be a widow and his kids would have a dad.
Why did he not drop his weapon? Because he thought he was fucking rambo, because your constitution tells him he has every right to be Rambo. FAIL!
An elderly couple had just returned to their house late one night after an international flight when the wife saw people moving through their back yard. That yard is surrounded by an eight foot tall stone and wood fence with two unlocked gates at either end of the house. She told her husband, who promptly retrieved his loaded Ithaca 12 gauge, racked a shell into the chamber and tracked two figures across two windows shining flashlights inside. In your world, how is this story supposed to have evolved, if those persons happened to be police?
In my world, we dont grab guns when we see people outside. And we are fairly confident that the people outside dont have them either - i might grab a stick or tighten up for a fight, but no guns. Its kind of safer that way for everyone. I dont like guns, i wouldnt have them anywhere near me, and if someone kicks in my door at 9am in the morning shouting police, a semi automatic assault rifle i would not reach for.
Don't know what 'world' you come from, but you're apparently one of the lucky ones who has never been the victim of violent crime or burglary. People who have typically don't rely on luck or sticks (for gawdsake) to protect themselves or their property. Since you don't like guns, you've probably never been taught the first rule about handling a gun, which is never point a gun at someone unless you intend to potentially kill them. But just because you don't like guns, doesn't mean some thug is never going to bring one into your presence, or premises. Let me know how that 'safe[ty] for everyone' works out for you when you have a stick and they're armed with guns. Or when someone who doesn't like the way you look phones in an anonymous tip about your fentanyl lab. Honestly, I hope for your sake you continue to be one lucky, if deluded, bastard.
His is the reality that is prevalent in most of europe. There are guns, but not that many. That does not mean the police isn't armed, or trained very well, and that there's no cameras with biometric detection and a database linked to it. There are. In the Netherlands and in the UK fully operational for quite some time. It's a little bit different, and there's still the laws of the individual countries, as opposed to europe's hidden treaties (in the small print) that legalises the killing of european citizens in case of an emergency. (Treaty of Lissabon) The burocrats in Brussels and The Hague, and a few other places, regard it as binding law, though they do not have and never had the people's mandate (the European Commission was set up as a bureaucratic agency, not as lawmaker, this was never the intention). Not one politician that signed that "treaty" read it beforehand, because it was not available for a sufficient period of time (24 hours). It's also unreadable on purpose. It's the same garbage they tried to sell to the people as "European Constitution". It shows their disregard for the structures they themselves have built their "legal" house of cards on. But they (minister Maxime Verhagen, to name just one) are fascists, in a technical sense, because they believe in the right to dominate the weaker, the less cautious, and strive to replace the social democratic state model with a neo-liberal one. (that's not much different than the first term of G.W. Bush, IMO)
In essence the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon was an undemocratic coup d'état, but there's still hope here, the battle is still undecided.
This guy found that provision out about the use of deadly force, it was hidden in some sub paragraph, and coded in legal speak. Some of it is about the PIIGs bailouts, which are, just like the ECB also unconstitutional. Germany does have a constitutional court. The Netherlands, where judges and politicians are supposed to abide by the Constitution naturally, does not. The video is in german: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmHlYBjzJ4
Edit: Here's a translated one! (part one of four)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtPmQy7E5ZI
The REAL moral of this story is to make SURE you have some heavy duty
"surprises" just lying about YOUR property.
Then when the nazi thugs and/or YOU show up , well we wont' need no fukin ar ANYTHING.
I got something for YOU and your buddies, you fukin Nazi thug.
Come on over and get a TASTE. You statist nazi bitch.
In my neighborhood, it is reasonable to assume that six+ armed men outside at 9:30 am are LEO. In his neighboorhood that assumption is not reasonable, and drug gangs are known to favor unmarked police type vehicles and sometimes dress like police too. The police are fully aware of this and it was predictable their actions could provoke armed response by a Marine veteran. The veteran was not a criminal or a reasonable criminal suspect. So WHY DID THEY DO IT? They had plenty of other options. Was this Marine threatening "protected" drug gang? If not, who wanted him dead and why?
You sound like a cop that wants to go kill someone. Don't worry - the way things are going - you should get your chance soon.
That one is kind of hit-and-miss.
That was no "hit-and-miss" maybe-maybe-not you fucking government shill moron, that piece-of-shit scumbag "officer" gunned down a man in cold blood.
That's MURDER, and NONE of your BULLSHIT arguments changes it.
If I was the Judge in that trial he'd have a DEATH SENTENCE to spend 20 years appealing while his scumbag ass rots in prison.
With Democrats now controlling House, Senate, and Governorship 6 bills are speeding through the legislature passing on party line votes severely restricting 2nd amendment rights from Californians; AB 144, AB 809, SB 124, SB 427, SB 798 and SB 819. SB124 in particular would ban most ammunition by reclassifying "non-lead" ammo as armor piercing. Arnie sucked but at least he was vetoing most of this crap. Expect Brown to sign all that get thru.
I am surprised your post was "junked" for what possible reason?
Arnie was BAD on 2nd Amendment and on immigration, PERIOD.
Brown can't be much worse.
Canada is no better they shoot dead unarmed White folks, for instance, especially if they are INFORMED as readers of this site are, and so on, just read the other day on a libertarian blog about this Arizona case and someone mentioned a veritable police execution of a white guy in BC Canada, hail of gunfire on an unarmed man, investigated by Asian RCMP officers, verdict was justifiable.
The guy was guilty only of political viewpoints that were not in good fashion today.
Jeff Hughes if I recall correctly was the victim's name from a couple of years ago.
"We live in the age of the lily-livered, where people make terrific efforts to remove all possible risks from their lives. Gone is the grand and pointless gesture."
Oh right, some guy just walks into your home wearing a uniform, You immediately double-tap him (I lived in Oakland too) and the courts are going to say it was premeditated murder of a police officer...don't think so.
I assure, you none of the cops I know would do something so stupid.
I know allot of cops and some of them grew up with my son. They are stupid and not trained well at all. LAPD finest.
I should have said, the cops I know have a "survival instinct".
I don't know about you-all but I've lived in some of the most violent cities in the USA & Asia. I'm dropping any armed mother fucker first & requesting I.D. later.
dbl
Scariest thing about those videos?
#2 - 0.25. Witness to a fatal shooting, multiple hits. Winces like she's going to be hit, keeps on walking. That is a very, very, very terrifying conditioning.
that was really odd...she's obviously xanaxed into oblivion...
There is no will to defend which you have not earned, America was earned by it forefathers and squandered by its obese and lazy offspring.
America was the Icon of hope to the masses around the world and there is no one to take its place, dark days are ahead. The last hope is if America is called to action and finds its voice once again. I and the world will lament for what has been lost, not America, but the idea and light of America!
it takes two to tango. the bankers offered and we accepted.
the elite start wars to make people savages... hell they even write the laws and 'pay' for the police state
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savages 'cant' pay taxes... good old boys gotta keep em' on the run with that hard cop justice
My father was both a cop and Secret Service agent. I grew up surrounded by law enforcement both at the state and federal level. I'm only 30 years old can I see a drastic, drastic, drastic change in the behavior an attidudes of law enforcement. I know my dad, I know all his buddies.. these are good, respectable, honest, pro-liberty, defenders of the Constitution that are absolutely sickened by what see around them. Men like this are not put into law enforcement anymore. Instead we have the violent, sociopaths that will do anything for their masters. I promise you, this can not be changed at the ballet box. Dig in my friends.
you are right. i have hung around some of the gun boards on yahoo and i tell the cops there this stuff, and they agree. they say that the new cop is different in a bad sort of way. this is not good for liberty. they will have to be dealt with in a most harsh manner.
Ditto. Both my parents were cops.
My mom was an unquestioning sort, obedient to "authority" (Baptist dads hitting you with fence posts for "back sass" will do that to you).
My dad grew pot in his backyard...but today's breed seem more like gangsta auxiliaries these days.
Many LEOs are former military...think about what the military environment has been for the last 10 years...constant state of warfare. This may have something to do with the change you reference.
"The Supreme Court has ruled that cops are allowed to search your premises without a warrant if they “smell marijuana” and “hear evidence being destroyed”. Just out of curiosity, what does it sound like when evidence is being destroyed? Does the Supreme Court have the sound on file somewhere?"
The sound of evidence being destroyed.
Police training will now include listening outside a closed door while on the other side of it a participant drops pages of the bill of rights into a commode and hits the handle...
"Without a doubt, certain not quite-so-honorable police will take advantage of this ridiculous decision:"
(flush)
Boss Hog:"That's yer cue Rosco"
RP Coltrane: "I'm a gonna git me them Duke boys, Kyeut kyeut!"
It's time for a real war against the politicians, the courts, and the police.
Yep, Gulley Foyle, and how many trolls in here do you think read this great speech of Henry V. Coming in here is an intelligent waste: these guy-girls are pathetic; they are whinny and cry-babbies. They would run rather than fight. They epitomize the current American.
Before face book and tweeter, this was a sweet sight. Now, Travis makes mucho bucks at the expense of decency and honesty.
I believe through our societal ignorance we have consented (contracted) our individual sovereign status away and thereby accepted public benefits from the corporate US which then grants us priveleges of which they can take away at any time at their discretion. We must either govern ourselve from within or we will surely be governed from without as eloquently stated below:
“We of this mighty western Republic have to grapple with the dangers that spring from popular self-government tried on a scale incomparably vaster than ever before in the history of mankind, and from an abounding material prosperity greater also than anything which the world has hitherto seen.
As regards the first set of dangers, it behooves us to remember that men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others. If from lawlessness or fickleness, from folly or self-indulgence, they refuse to govern themselves, then most assuredly in the end they will have to be governed from the outside. They can prevent the need of government from without only by showing that they possess the power of government from within, a sovereign can not make excuses for his failures; a sovereign must accept the responsibility for the exercise of the power that inheres in him, and where, as is true in our Republic, the people are sovereign, then the people must show a sober understanding and a sane and steadfast purpose if they are to preserve that orderly liberty upon which as a foundation every republic must rest.”
You may know who stated this or maybe not!
This weekend I'm collecting sigs on an environmental issue. Big cites and small towns are making it increasingly difficult to exercise First Amendment rights at public gatherings or celebrations on public property by requiring "permits" or paying a "fee" to get a booth...
What BS. I've done my homework and when taken to court most of these ridiculouis local ordinances are found unconstitutional.
So, I have my written "Don't Interfere with My First Amendment Rights" statement on my clipboard and my pro bono environmental and an ACLU lawyer on my cell phone speed dial.
All rights are under attack now.
Once they take away First Amendment Rights, you won't get to do or say anthing about the rest.
Probably when the sheeple will finally wake up. Better late than never I guess.
How can one mention "Writs of Assistance" without also mentioning the PATRIOT Act, which allows Federal Officers to write their own warrants for search, confiscation, wire taps and arrest? Writs of Assistance are one of the grievances listed on the Declaration of Independence. We have come full circle.
the patriot act was ready to be signed a few days after 911. interesting , no?
Map of botched paramilitary police raids:
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
Those both of my parents are retired law enforcement, and I have a high degree of respect for those in uniform, I agree with most like-minded individuals and will defend what I have left to the bitter end, period.
How about though, vs those for my anal friends..
Police in the 'West' can get away with cold blooded murder now as easily as they do in so called 3rd world countries, sick
but but but, our soldiers tell me that they are fighting for my rights and my freedoms.
they do it all the time....in my neck of the woods a LEO(wildlife enforcement officer) killed a 76 yr old man hard of hearing on his own private property because he was baiting turkey(which is illegal) the problem is we only hear his(LEO) side of the story because there were no witnesses. The leo was not in uniform and was in camo outfit. The investigation showed that the old man didn't fire his rifle. The LEO alledged it was pointed at him. All I know is the elderly gentleman ended up dead for a misdeanor on his own property. Dead men don't talk.
remember his name. remember his face. when the time comes and it will. deal with the problem. paybacks are a mofo........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party
You must be a teenager, right?
I feel ashamed for the six years of my life I gave to our country. This is not the land of the free home of the brave any more. It is a nation of entitlement and decay. I hear the violin and Washington is the New ROME and its burning.
Good news I do have a great set of skills for the NEW Economy
You guys rock I feel a little less crazy
I am a free man and I would rather be dead then a slave
ZH has saved my sanity. I get a bit depressed talking to my friends and family about these subjects, and only get a blank stare in return. Reading this board is my support group.