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Paul Krugman Comments On Shooting, Blames Republicans For "Hate-Mongering"
Just posted by Paul Krugman, who apparently doesn't need to hear the facts before blasting away at Republicans.
From the NYT:
We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before.
And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans
might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a
Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona,
precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her
father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list.
Just yesterday, Ezra Klein remarked that opposition to health reform was getting scary.
Actually, it’s been scary for quite a while, in a way that already
reminded many of us of the climate that preceded the Oklahoma City
bombing.
You know that Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship
whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck,
Limbaugh, etc. and the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months
and years ahead. But violent acts are what happen when you create a
climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a
stand against the hate-mongers.
Update: I see that Sarah Palin has called the
shooting “tragic”. OK, a bit of history: right-wingers went wild over
anyone who called 9/11 a tragedy, insisting that it wasn’t a tragedy, it
was an atrocity.
Update: I’m going to take down comments on this one;
they would need a lot of moderating, because the crazies are coming out
in force, and it’s all too likely to turn into a flame war.
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Yup! Strike match number one.
"Tea Party" already IS the "new red"
Was the person who attacked the Congresswoman even a republican? Not that it matters. Just asking.
Supposedly he is just 22 so it would difficult to say he was a 'long time' anything.
Thanks.
I imagine he's too young to blame Marilyn Manson and violent video games like Doom II.
According to a friend and former bandmate, he was left wing.
http://twitter.com/caitieparker
Excellent cyber-stalking, listener.
Kudos!
and in other news
Obama Administration Reportedly Plans to Create Internet ID for All Americanshttp://fxn.ws/dPzDJZ
Obama to hand Commerce Dept. authority over cybersecurity IDhttp://bit.ly/fTjBfb
Remarks at Cybersecurity Event with White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt, Stanford, Californiahttp://bit.ly/g25LDA
*squirms*
thanks for those links Salinger, the above is from the second one which made my eye twitch. . .
while I'm keeping an open mind about today's event(s), one link on the main thread caught my spidey-senses:
http://tinyurl.com/37g467k
it's just a small piece of information (from the WSJ, with one of those annoying, large URLs), but these "events" are always staged and/or used to push forward the agenda, IMHO. . . and your links have the sharp tang of "agenda" from where I'm sitting.
I'm sure more will arise from the dirt over time, sadly.
too bad RE wasn't there with her
"Schmidt stresses that anonymity will remain on the Internet, saying there's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge."
If you believe that BS you will believe anything.
These aholes can bite the big one before any of this takes place. I can see a second civil war except this time it will be like the French Revolution..................Banksters and corrupt politicians/CONgress had better change before its too late. Actually it may already be too late.
"it’s all too likely to turn into a flame war."
The irony. His whole post was one big flame fest.
Barry is constantly pegging citizen against citizen, while he destroys us all. It's the Marxist way. It's right there in Alinsky's book. You are going to see massive voter fraud in 2012.
Who to blame is simply a Rohrschach test. There was no Tea Party around when John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinckley, Earl Ray, Byron de la Beckwith and many others did their dirty work. Who's to say what sets off the impulse in a crazy person's brain? It's all guesswork. We're all vulnerable to the nut cases.
We're ALL vulnerable, nut cases! FTFY.
Is he making stuff up about the 9/11 tragedy/atrocity thing? I don't remember that story at all.
You, sir or madame, have a great avatar.
I'm beginning to think that Krugman is certifiably insane.
If it weren't for NYT this fkhead wouldn't even hold a janitor's position
I think Boilermaker is after a janitor's position.
I wouldn't resign your post just for me. It's a difficult economy. Especially so with a GED.
Actually, that was pretty funny. You might be an all-right guy at the end of the day. Like 15 year-old single malt?
Blends...it'll never work out.
A shame, really.
Hey Krugman, I hate you!
That is All
+1
Get as grip people..he was a lone wolf nut job..niether Dem nor Rep..not liberal or conservative..maybe an anarchist..but for a sure a nutjob
And finally Krugman jumps the shark on this one. Why anyone even takes him seriously is beyond me, but if his statements on this gets enough attention..he's done
A voice of reason. From Galt's Gulch I would expect no less.
Get as grip people..he was a lone wolf nut job..niether Dem nor Rep..not liberal or conservative..maybe an anarchist
You get a grip. There's no evidence he was an anarchist.
"he" may be a "lone wolf nut job" but those who pull the corporate gov't. strings will always make use of distractions to push their agenda - it's important to pay attention WITHOUT getting lost in taking partisan sides.
just try to hold the thought that if there are two sides, they are not on yours.
He jumped the shark with his ENRON connections. There is still the possibility that this "lone nut" was provocateured by the NSA. Time will tell.
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Junk away....
Krugman's got this one right!
Nope. I won't help make you a martyr...
Why, you wont turn introspective. If the evidence in the public arena right now convinces you Krugman is right you are beyond reason or debate, goodbye.
Expect more like Krugman. I reviewed the suspects YouTube videos. He was anti-government, and, in my opinion, psychotic. Schizophrenia strikes first from the late teens/early 20s. This assailants writings were near gibberish, paranoid, and he was convinced everything was "conscious dreaming." Meaning he could no longer distinguish reality from the dream state.
Did you just correlate 'anti-government' with 'psychotic'?
Anti-government would be anarchist. Those who believe in complete government control over everything in your life are statists/socialists/communists.
Those who believe in smaller, less intrusive government, would be the vast middle ground in between these two extremes.
this douche was a hitter; developed by his Xe type handlers in Afghanistan
the hit promotes the anti gun agenda and lets the Congress criters know they can be wacked for whatever reason;
the message to Congress is don't stray from the party line; i doubt this gal even strayed but she was made an example off
the hitter walked right up to her, no doubt this was not a random act
No evidence has been found that this guy was instructed to hit anyone.
He was/is (from what we know now) a self centered loser who desired one minute of fame to give his otherwise drab existence on this rock some meaning...to himself.
Now, can our congress critters contextualize or form a coherent collective thought on his act and not be driven around the bend by their own paranoia?...that is, somehow this act means half or more of the country wants to see the same happen to them?...even after it's clear bystanders tackled this jerk to the ground during/after the shooting?...the record is pretty clear they're mostly comprised of idiots so I'm not holding my breath.
No. I was commenting as a psychiatrist. His YouTube videos were incoherent ramblings.-49
I was commenting as a psychiatrist.
If it quacks like a duck, it's a quack.
You need to stop posting this jerk Krugman
Watching MSNBC and just heard the new vilification buzz phrase - "constituent event".
We'll be hearing this quite often from now on.
I blame Paul Krugman for this
Who knows where Krugman's hatemongering will lead. At least bring him in for questioning. Maybe a hearing before a Human Rights tribunal...
LOL...genius.
As Gerald Celente says: "When people have nothing to lose, they lose it." The masses are beginning to internalize that we live in a lawless society. We will see more of these types of incidences. Underlings always emulate the morality of those above them. It is human nature.
I fail to see the fact that Krugman was somehow relevant to begin with.....
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Outlaw Republicans! and videogames...
Can anyone ever believe that the Nobel prize is worth a shit given some of the morons that have won it of late?
This whole thing is a tragedy, and to blame anyone but the nut with the gun is ignorant.
BTW, Obama's comment about this having no place in a "free society" is very disappointing, coming from a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html). You do the math...
WTF.
"Obama's comment about this having no place in a "free society" is very disappointing, coming from a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School"
Amazing coming from BHO who doesn't really believe in a free society and has little regard for the Constitution.
First of all, while victims are still in the operating room and only a suspect’s name and his YouTube site have been released, why is an economics professor outlining the full scenario of cause and effect? Do we not have Bernanke’s opinion, for example, or Geithner’s…is it because they are not Nobel Prize winners?
Paul Krugman’s comments could have been written yesterday; it’s not as if he has the total picture of what this represents. That Krugman and others on the Left are decrying “hate speech” before they even have the full details shows what this is—an agenda. And what is Paul Krugman's column but politics and hate?
When Kennedy was shot the media instantly spread a mantle of guilt over all of his opponents, decrying that their opposition created this act of violence. Over and over and over the public was told, “Our hands are stained with blood"--as if the actions of one person applied to a entire political viewpoint. (Incidentally, Oswald was never convicted.)
In this case, Krugman is so inappropriate. The man is completely out of his element. It’s bad enough that he is a poor economist and a shameless, corrupt insider, but now, like Alan Greenspan, he has an opinion on everything. Perhaps Greenspan could be encouraged to appear on NPR for a running commentary, hour by hour, as the details sift in.
Honestly, I can't believe Paul Krugman has waded feet first into this issue like this. Are you sure it was Paul Krugman?
A young man who walks up and shoots indiscriminately people that he doesn’t know, hardly represents a widespread viewpoint in this country. The Tea Party people in Arizona--right down to Loughner’s closest friends, his relatives--are mortified. And then, for Krugman - Krugman for heaven’s sake! - to bring out Sarah Palin and say that she is probably happy now, implying that she was not sorry to see this, makes you begin to wonder about HIS mental condition.
He’s over the top.
What do you mean? US citizens generally support the US army and what you depict looks like the job performed by the US army in places like Iraq.
At this point, you know whom to blame; it’s the guy who pulled the trigger. But why he did it, no one knows at this time. The point is, to make a political statement about what happened today as Krugman did is a mistake. This is not the time to take political sides. This is not good what happened today; this is bad It shows extreme lack of understanding to make a political comment today.
Agreed, this is too much, too blatant, and too soon. It will backfire on Krugman.
Then again, Krugman is hated by everyone who would take offense, so this column might be testing the waters. Krugman might have gotten a quick phone call to see how this would play with the hard left.
WE know why he did it................he was/is mentally ill.
He was kicked out of school for outbreaks, his friends said he needed serious help.His personality changed.
His parents were called to his college because of his off the wall shit, he never went to counseling,these are all signs of serious MENTAL illness.
Very few acts like these give zero warnings,people just do not get involved.
Anything the proto-fascistic, central-planning, too-progressive-for-freedom, save-the-ignorant-masses-from-themselves Krugman says isnt over the top, for Krugman.
+1,000,000,000,000
One of the few posts that makes clear what is actually going on here. Unfortunately every single media outlet on earth threw jet fuel on this fire, and will only cause more hatred/violence in the future.
Paul Krugman is a disgrace to humanity, but I don't wish for him to be killed. It is an absolute shame that any person should take him seriously or be one of his followers.
Man Krugman has really got to get his projection thing under control.
Krugman IS a hate-monger, plain and simple
Krugman is a f///// idiot. Now he is in charge of commenting on everything?
Krugman is a f///// idiot. Now he is in charge of commenting on everything?
Lot of hate going down this afternoon. Both sides need to take five and pay a visit to the honey bear! It's 4:20 bitches!!
No douchenozzle, it was a right wing fucker that did this. It is NOT a both sides issue asswipe. FUCK YOU FASCISTS!
Adolf Hitler couldnt have said it better. Maybe you should head into the 'right wing fucker' ghettos, and send all 'right-wing fuckers' to the oven, so you and yours can enjoy the Leibensraum you so deserve. They are after all, right wing fuckers, and everyone knows you cant reason with right wing fuckers, especially Mr. Hopeandchange
"Lot of hate going down this afternoon. Both sides need to take five and pay a visit to the honey bear! It's 4:20 bitches!!"
honey bear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAfTDsx1-4
This is why I love Zero Hedge.
Thank you, Tyler. This is so true.
Truth be known, both parties suck. This political "Yankees vs. Red Sox" grudgematch has gone from comical to tragic.
and in other news
14 decapitated bodies found in Mexico resort city
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=1646540
Portuguese TV star slain, castrated at InterContinental New York Times Square hotel
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/01/08/general-us-hotel-castration-sl...
And Krugman blames...
Blames all his pro U.S. Constitutional/Austrian Economic college buddies for giving him enema's on a regular basis...
What's tragic is Krugman continues to leak Keynesian, still hasn't learned a damn thing.
· Search is on for 5 suspected illegal immigrants in Arizona deputy shootout
· Men suspected in fatal shooting of Arizona cop led dozens officers on wild, 50-mile chase
· Police look at abuse in 8-year-old charged with murder
· AZ man executed, despite concerns drugs not federally approved, came overseas
· Escaped prison inmate, fiancee arrested at Arizona campsite
· Escaped Arizona convicts hiding in Yellowstone: police
· http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/08/2011-01-08_us_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_arizona_multiple_wounded.html?r=news/national
basically, I'm sick to death of certain people ....... KRUGMAN...... ROBERT RUBIN ......... GREENSPAN ....... LARRY SUMMERS (especially that horrible LARRY SUMMERS! ) .... just go away, get these sorry same few people out of the news ....... haven't they done enough damage already . No? you say, no, they haven't inflicted enough damage yet ? OH, of course !!! I forgot ! ...........let's now damage the generations yet to come ; my kids, my grandkids, my great grandkids ! ......... END THE FUCKING FEDERAL RESERVE BANK .
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you sound semitophobic
Dick Cheney was hunting nearby.
And yet, still, more people have died driving with a Kennedy than hunting with a Cheney ;-)
I heard somebody else died who was 'driven deeply' by another Kennedy.
Like a candle in the wind, as Elton would say...ya never know.
The car is said to go over the bridge into the water. Yet there was only a few feet of water under that bridge. How did that girl drown in this instance? Why would he drive off of a bridge anyway? There is a theory that someone did a head on chicken type deal with him, which means, he had only one choice, go off the bridge in order to not be hit by a approaching car. You have to understand the Kennedy family and its tragic circumstances, circumstances, I might add, that were introduced into that family by, let's just call them, parties unknown, for reasons, that we can only guess about. It all has to do with the old man and his political views during ww2. Revenge is the name of the game, if you must know. The Kennedy's were Irish Catholic. And that my friends is clue number 1.
Or, being the known drunkard he was...he just drove off of it, panicked when he saw her dead or dying and immediately only thought of his own political career instead of Mary Jo laying there...and went to his political handlers for advice.
As far as Papa Kennedy, he made his fortune smuggling booze during Prohibition & being short the market when it crashed...that is, Teddy and all the rest were Trust Fund Baby's of the hated "rich"...LOL.
Oh...and Papa Kennedy had a great affinity for fascism & Hitler...birds, feathers etc. ;-)
What a whimp he was? Shooting with a 28 gauge. Damn, I didn't even know they made such a thing. Didn't like any kick on the old bony shoulder.
There is a school of thought that says using the smaller bore gun is more sporting. But then there's that whole Irish Catholic thing, to cite your previous comment.
I'd love to hear more about that.
I use that one myself, at the most appropriate time.
+1
Paul Krugman is a disgusting simpleton and a fool. I doubt he has had any commentary for other tragedies. Why now? More than likely he feels threatened on his economic views and maybe he himself has received threats.
The problem I see is that many of us are so polar opposite of what we think will get us out of this mess. In these cases it is hard to find common ground. We must though and peacefully find solutions. Our democracy is strengthened by debate and will be torn end to end by violence.
um...first off, we don't have a democracy, and what we do have was built on violence.
It's all built on violence, it started in Mesopotamia
Krugman: The Soothsayer Extraordinaire missed it by a few months http://www.drudge.com/news/138765/krugman-there-blood MONDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 2010
Krugman: There Will Be BloodFormer Senator Alan Simpson, co-chairman of a special commission on deficit reduction, says: "I can't wait for the blood bath in April. ... When debt limit time comes, they're going to look around and say, ‘What in the hell do we do now? We've got guys who will not approve the debt limit extension unless we give 'em a piece of meat, real meat,' " meaning spending cuts. "And boy, the blood bath will be extraordinary," he continued.
So, the shooter was a republican? Didn't know that connection had been made. Maybe it's just me, but I find the rhetoric of Olbermann, Griffin, and those folks to be much more inciteful than Beck or Limbaugh.
Anyways-it's more likely the judge (a Bush appontee) was the target than the congresswoman.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/08/arizona-chief-u-s-district-judge...
Good to know Krugman knows nothing of economics, and less of politics. MSLSD needs to sign him up on a 10 year contract now!
Do you think Krugman would wear a T-shirt with a cross hair on it if I was to send it to him?
from Krugmans piece
you know what's scary - this little blog post by Ezra Klein - September 11, 2006
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2006&...
Ezra who is now a columnist/blogger at Washington Post also has some thoughts on the constitution
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hd6UkU6UaG
next stop, HOLOCAUST, right paranoid tribers?
Self-deception and paranoia are a lethal mental cocktail
Violence is NOT the answer. Pointing fingers at anyone other than the shooter is wrong. He was the nutjob who decided to put an extended magazine on his gun, and shoot over a dozen people.
Later, when the back story is known, then we can discuss intelligently the merits of his motivation and his world view.
Until that time. I would suggest that we look for common ground upon which we can agree. This was wrong. It is the worst thing that anyone could do. It takes the actions of one man and causes a country to over-react to the point that we who love freedom will loose more of that precious commodity to those in the government who would be our masters, and are only waiting for something like this to put their plans into place.
'Violence is NOT the answer.'
Tell it to the Libs.
Agree with you.
No shit? Then how did the USA come about - hunger strikes?
so the gov was just waiting for an excuse, eh?
Then, how do you suppose this sinister government is going to be stopped? Lots of talking and flowers?
Not getting killed by violence is the answer.
It takes the actions of one man and causes a country to over-react to the point that we who love freedom will loose more of that precious commodity to those in the government who would be our masters, and are only waiting for something like this to put their plans into place.
Your right,except using this as an opportunity to ENACT yet more inane laws, is exactly what will start the the REAL SHIT.
The real snakes heads need to be cut off, not a random slaughter of 99% innocents, by a mental case.
and from firedoglake (a blog that ZeroHedge has linked to in the past) this heartwarming response
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/sarah-palins-hit-list/
And on January 7th 2011, Markos Moulitsas of the leftwingiest Daily Kos listed those who voted against Pelosi, and said, "they have put a bull's eye on their backs." Which naturally upset one of their left wingiest nut job readers and bloggers, who might well be Jared Loughlin, the shooter.
Is left wing site DAILY KOS's "BOYBLUE" Jared Loughlin? Sure sounds like he is and DK scrubbed his ramblings from January 7th 2011 from their site pronto. Check out the link to the screen grab below. This is about all you can find anymore. Looks like Krugman and other socialists owe everybody a face palm.
http://americanpatriotscommission.files.wordpress...
Why did DAILY KOS take down/scrub BOYBLUE so fast? BOYBLUE posts are lucid, but all over the map and contradictory and disturbing: says he was married but is gay; he had attempted suicide by gunshot and only managed to mangle his mouth; gave and raised thousands for Gifford's campaign, but is on severance from his job and public dole -- but also says he is a lawyer; 'BoyBlue' admits to living in Tucson area; just found out Giffords is a moderate and voted against "his girl Pelosi" for house majority leader. Chillingly, BLUEBOY says after the vote against Pelosi, Jan 7th, 2011 one day before the shooting -- "Giffords is Dead to me."
Yes, none of BOYBLUE's ramblings really make sense which is consistent with a lying left wing nut job. A left wing nut job who lives at the DAILY KOS, in Tucson, AZ around the corner from the grocery store.
And, you know somethings up when Pelosi's temporary new HQ is inside a church for photo-ops invoking God and being prayerful, and saying funny religious things like those vile conservatives. Krugman should be following Pelosi's lead, she's the politician.
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Rome fell because Catholics like Beck took things to seriously... (I am Catholic). Beck changed his "beliefs" (Moron) once he thought he could get a crack at Palin
Just sit back and take it slaves. Nothing is going to change.
The replacement rate is well below trend line. You will be a minority in your own country in less than a decade. Relax... I accepted it. I just don't want to go to jail nor live through a SECOND Great Depression!
All ur women will find someone else that has CASH not worthless Gold (The hunk of metal Palin is obsessed with). They will marry and/or attain citizenship somewhere in Europe or Asia. It is already happening if you read the news...not just ZH. It is all according to plan, deal with it.
http://youtu.be/cZhAXpGOOks
John Kennedy tried, but died. I don't want to die!
Prepare to have your firearms and metals confiscated. It's coming folks!
Are you the same 22 YO moron with a different avatar
LOL. Avatar is a film by James Cameron.
Here is a junk for breaking copyright laws!
Btw. The shooter was 22 years old. You better not be lumping people together there buddy, that would be stereotypical.
The very same accusation you throw at the Liberals.
The FOUNDING FATHERS WERE LIBERALS, PEOPLE!
Democracy is the system of government everywhere else in the world! So then... What is America?
http://bit.ly/iLf5b
"LOL. Avatar is a film by James Cameron"
You must be in an iron lung, you are far too stupid to breathe..
This is why I love Zero Hedge. Tyler is the man!
Free Speech!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ8imPmQ0js
Are you also BoyBlue?
Is left wing site DAILY KOS's "BOYBLUE" Jared Loughlin? Sure sounds like he is and DK scrubbed his ramblings from January 7th 2011 from their site pronto. Check out the link to the screen grab below. This is about all you can find anymore. Looks like Krugman owes everybody a face palm.
http://americanpatriotscommission.files.wordpress...
Why did DAILY KOS take down/scrub BOYBLUE so fast? BOYBLUE posts are lucid, but all over the map and contradictory and disturbing: says he was married but is gay; he had attempted suicide by gunshot and only managed to mangle his mouth; gave and raised thousands for Gifford's campaign, but is on severance from his job and public dole -- but is also says he is a lawyer; 'BoyBlue' admits to living in Tucson area; just found out Giffords is a moderate who voted against "his girl Pelosi" for house majority leader. Chillingly, BLUEBOY says after the vote against Pelosi, Jan 7th, 2011 one day before the shooting -- Giffords "Is Dead to me."
Yes, none of BOYBLUE's ramblings really make sense which is consistent with a nut job. A left wing nut job who lives at the DAILY KOS, in Tucson, AZ around the corner from the grocery store.
And, you know somethings up when Pelosi's temporary new HQ is inside a church for photo-ops invoking God and being prayerful, and saying funny religious things like those vile conservatives. Krugman should be following Pelosi's lead, she's the politician.
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gwar5 - how did you come across this?
Your age must match your JUNKS.
The founders were not liberals like todays liberals.
And where in the hell did your learn that all the worlds governments are Democracies?.
America, is a Democracy based on a form of Republican Government.
True Democracy is Mobocracy,thanks but I'll take Anarchy before a pure Democracy.
What an asshole.
CASH? ROTFL.
Cash will be worthless long before gold is. You must be too young or stupid to look around the world at the history of paper currencies just in the BRICs alone...
So, Democrats will be more loved if one of their own is killed? Seems sociopathic.
Dimocrats are sociopathic by nature. Who else wants to control your life? The Man in the Moon?
Krugman has failed at gaining legitimate public acknowledgement with his bankrupt Keynsian ideas, so now he is trying to play the celebrity card. As if anyone takes this clown seriously...
What a loser.
Actually Krugman called the Housing Bubble.
How do you revive a depressed business cycle without demand-side stimulus?
Austerity just causes massive deflation and wealth destruction... Mostly concentrated at the top.
I agree Krugman made a foul today calling us out for no good reason... but how is he a bad economist?
You need to print money and hand it out. EQUAL PROTECTION under the law.
Can you print that money fast enough, and get it to me in time to buy more silver?
Thought not.
It is a Fascist system otherwise.
Where is my 0% credit (Goldman, JP, Harley, Verizon, Ford, ect)? Why do I have to be a favored institution to get my paws on some of that cash?
He along with 500 others called the housing bubble.
His spend-side economics along with others is pushing the USD to the verge of collapse. When this happens, we'll see how bright he really is with another paper or award.
First, let's be totally clear. Every sane, honest, ethical, productive human being would rather resolve problems without violence, present company included.
However, what is the appropriate action when a small group of predators gain control of extraordinary powers to abuse and destroy on an astronomical scale... then proceed to do exactly that?
Should we persuade them to stop... the "non-violent way"? Well, that's been tried for decades, but power-crazed predators only chuckle and turn the screws even harder. What a surprise.
When non-violent ways do not work... then what? Just let the predators have absolute, total, 100% control over every one and every thing on earth? Because that's precisely what they want, precisely what they intend, precisely what they say.
Frankly, I'd love to believe we could just defuse the beast by "going on strike". You know, just refuse to feed the beast, and let them starve. Actions like "everyone converts all [fiat] paper assets into real, physical assets, and starts exchanging real, physical goods for real, physical goods". However, this only works if a large percentage of people adopt the plan. Today, sadly, 99% of humans are utter morons and/or totally brainwashed and/or authority lovers/obeyers, rendering all such approaches impractical.
Which leaves a stark choice. Either leave the domain of the predators, or submit to unlimited abuse, or fight.
NO other alternatives exist - those are the only choices. My choice is to leave, though I see very clearly this is only a temporary solution, since the "domain" the predators totally control will soon include every country on earth. Thus, in the medium run, only two alternatives exist: allow yourself to be utterly enslaved, or fight.
So the chant that "we must avoid violence" is massive denial, massive wishful thinking... essentially "put off action until it's definitely too late". Clearly, the "founding fathers" did not wait until KingDoofus gained sufficient foothold in the "colonies" to secure his control. Why does everyone mumble this rationalization now, when the fate (liberty versus slavery) of the entire planet literally hangs in the balance?
I predict the government is going to show its teeth now...everyone going forward is going to have to be awfully circumspect about advocating violence.
Especially with the recent focus on this notion of "domestic terrorists" and the DHS's slant on it. I mean, this guy fits Napolitano's definitions, the gold, the anti-gov writing, the war veteran angles. The FBI will doubtlessly be poring over all the talk in the blogosphere and on sites such as ZH that feature articles critical of US policy or where membership support such figures as Julian Assange, and where people openly discuss the possible necessity of armed rebellion.
The police don't give a crap about anybody; they defend the system above all else and gleefully follow orders. I mean that G20 footage from CANADA of all places shows all you need to know. Those cops happily followed illegal orders from supposed "leaders" and defended themselves with the Nuremberg appeal.
The mantra going forward will be "work within the system if you want change." "Vote if you want to make a difference." "Call your representatives." Hell, you can't even fucking peacefully protest any longer without having G20 shock troops show up and bulldoze you, and the "system" is set up to destroy any attempts at real change. All you say is true and there appears to be no way out. Those who go out on a limb as the tip of the spear of change will probably be serving lengthy prison sentences while they wait for this change to manifest.
What are you saying -- it's a shame you can't discuss an armed rebellion? Is that what the "ammo" some of you guys talk about is for?
Let me repeat, a 9 year old died today. Time to put away the ammo. Time to channel Gandhi.
Maybe India would suit you better. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
Nine year olds die everyday and yet they don't matter. Only when it's politically expedient
does your type cry, the children, what about the children. Get over it, people die that's what
we do and it's the only thing you are assured of.
BTW, I thought you were a tool I was wrong your a slave. Good day!
"Time to channel Gandhi."
Gandhi was a socialist who didn't seem to have a problem with the caste social system of India.
Trav,
He was not a war veteran, he was turned DOWN.
You know how bad he was to be turned down for service today.
The more the gov shows its teeth from here, the more they will get.The people, and ant the tards like this mental case, are almost at the limit.
More R & R's, and Jack boot shit............is not going to fly.
Exactly right. The wimps and pussies on here that warn you, criticize you, and damn you are clueless masochists.
There is only one way and it was coming as sure as the next ripoff is being perpetrated by Lord Blankfein.
The problem is any assassin needs to screw up their courage to take out the top tier. Or enough of them that caused this mess that the others take copious notes and begin the process of clawbacks, swift prosecutions, extensive fines that rips from them all their ill gotten gains.
Top tier. Precisely correct. Nobody, and I mean nobody wants innocent bystanders harmed. We have gotten to the point that every member of administration, congress, courts, Federal Reserve, central banks, mega-corporations and NWO insiders regularly comit high treason and massive crimes against the population of whole nations and planet earth. Probably RonPaul is the only exception.
The elites regularly, gleefully and intentionally violate the constitution, the highest law of the land, after giving oath to protect and defend it when they accept office --- and nothing happens because the elitist predators totally control the entire [in]-justice system. That is why only two possibilies exist for those who cannot or will not escape [planet earth]. They are predators, pure and simple. Peroid.
This guy was probably 10% right and 90% nuts. I haven't learned his position, but the fact he went nuts at random people in the crowd indicates his simply passed his breaking point and went nuts. The revolutionary war was nothing like that... careful planning is key, starting with the principle you mentioned (top-to-bottom).
However, in the end, I'm pretty sure nothing will happen, the people will do nothing, the USSA will become a total slave-state, and the rest of the world will follow over the next couple of decades. Why? Because humans have rendered clueless morons by parents, school and media, and almost totally disconnected from physical reality.
Game over for the human race.
Krugman is definitely a perpetrator of the New Hate.
http://www.endofinnocence.com/2010/05/new-hate.html
Krugman has actually suggested death panels back in November on ABC Sunday with Amanpour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDnvmOQDkkw
and from IBD
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/553991/201011161918/Kru...
and Krugman in 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1
Only in America.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/08/giffords-arizona-shooting.html
I love it that Freddy Krueger...erm Freddy Krugman...Paul Krueger...whatever, writes for the NYT. Can't wait for that sinking shitpile to capsize and go under.
Keep the stoooooopidity coming Freddy K, you laughable twit.
Krugman, you are an irrational dimwit that creates division in such an unhealthy way. I would suggest that you suffer from some deep rooted inferiority complex... you ate pathetic
It's unfortunate that our schizoids, which are the leading edge of the violence that should occur, the shots that need to find their mark in the heads of our senior politicians and the likes of Hank Paulson, Bernanke, Geithner, Chris Cox, Blankfein, Madoff, Fink, Cassano, O'neal, and so many others at the top of the pyramid, instead take out some low level political flunkee who has no power at all.
One only hopes that the others to follow will find the real perpetrators of this country's demise, more appropriate targets.
Lot of childeren won't see their dad and
mam's come home.It's a sad tragedy
wich should be handeled with respect
and integrity.Anyone try to take somekind
of political advantage on this case should
not be considered human.
Condoleses to the family of victims.
how is krugman still working?
How does he feed himself? I kinda picture him with corks on his utensils and an eye patch like Steve Martin in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
Guys, Krugman might be wrong about inflation, but he is right about the hate-filled language of the GOP. Rifles in political ads, Palin's little target symbols on her map, her use of military lingo -- she's partly responsible for what happened today. It's so sad. This kid who did the shooting is no doubt delusional and needed help. Now a little girl is dead, too. I'm never bringing my kids to a political event.
Tool.
+1 back-hoe
I'm never bringing my kids to a political event...
Homeschooling then?
Is left wing site DAILY KOS's "BOYBLUE" Jared Loughlin? Sure sounds like he is and DK scrubbed his ramblings from January 7th 2011 from their site pronto. Check out the link to the screen grab below. This is about all you can find anymore. Looks like Krugman owes everybody a face palm.
http://americanpatriotscommission.files.wordpress...
Why did DAILY KOS take down/scrub BOYBLUE so fast? BOYBLUE posts are lucid, but all over the map and contradictory and disturbing: says he was married but is gay; he had attempted suicide by gunshot and only managed to mangle his mouth; gave and raised thousands for Gifford's campaign, but is on severance from his job and public dole -- but is also says he is a lawyer; 'BoyBlue' admits to living in Tucson area; just found out Giffords is a moderate who voted against "his girl Pelosi" for house majority leader. Chillingly, BLUEBOY says after the vote against Pelosi, Jan 7th, 2011 one day before the shooting -- Giffords "Is Dead to me."
Yes, none of BOYBLUE's ramblings really make sense which is consistent with a nut job. A left wing nut job who lives at the DAILY KOS, in Tucson, AZ around the corner from the grocery store.
And, you know somethings up when Pelosi's temporary new HQ is inside a church for photo-ops invoking God and being prayerful, and saying funny religious things like those vile conservatives. Krugman should be following Pelosi's lead, she's the politician.
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If boyblue is jared loughlin then he uses the english language entirely different on that bulletin board than he does in the youtube video.
Sure is allot of anger on this page tonight. Strange the anger is aimed at everyone except the man who spilled fresh blood onto a sidewalk outside a supermarket earlier today.
Nice to see his social commentary is about sober minded as his views on the economy.
Krugman, the tool.
And the Arizona Sherriff "It's these people spreading Vitriol that caused this..."
Bullshit.
A nutjob caused this; only the person that pulled the trigger caused this.
Only I have the choice to act upon information and media that I absorb, no one forces me to act.
The notion that people should be mentally controlled leads to those in power and leadership positions treating people as though they are stupid, which lead the leaders to act in corrupt and malfeasant ways, which leads the populace to feel powerless and disenfranchised by the very leaders that are supposed to represent their interests (and not bail out banks and insurance companies and....etc., etc.) which leads to vitriol.
It is so clear but no one seems to see it.
The equivocation, the sophistry, it leads to vitriol.
Peaceful civil disobedience Martin Luther King or Mahatma Ghandi style en masse is what is needed to start.
Is left wing site DAILY KOS's "BOYBLUE" Jared Loughlin? Sure sounds like he is and DK scrubbed his ramblings from January 7th 2011 from their site pronto. Check out the link to the screen grab below. This is about all you can find anymore. Looks like Krugman owes everybody a face palm.
http://americanpatriotscommission.files.wordpress...
Why did DAILY KOS take down/scrub BOYBLUE so fast? BOYBLUE posts are lucid, but all over the map and contradictory and disturbing: says he was married but is gay; he had attempted suicide by gunshot and only managed to mangle his mouth; gave and raised thousands for Gifford's campaign, but is on severance from his job and public dole -- but is also says he is a lawyer; 'BoyBlue' admits to living in Tucson area; just found out Giffords is a moderate who voted against "his girl Pelosi" for house majority leader. Chillingly, BLUEBOY says after the vote against Pelosi, Jan 7th, 2011 one day before the shooting -- Giffords "Is Dead to me."
Yes, none of BOYBLUE's ramblings really make sense which is consistent with a nut job. A left wing nut job who lives at the DAILY KOS, in Tucson, AZ around the corner from the grocery store.
And, you know somethings up when Pelosi's temporary new HQ is inside a church for photo-ops invoking God and being prayerful, and saying funny religious things like those vile conservatives. Krugman should be following Pelosi's lead, she's the politician.
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