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Senior NOAA Scientist Admits He Lied That Gulf Spill Oil Is Gone, Puts Administration's Spill-Disclosure "Credibility" In Question
The fears of all those who had long believed that the administration, either in collboration with BP or otherwise, had been flagrantly lying about the true situation in the GOM, have been confirmed by The Guardian (via BNO). "A senior U.S. government scientist on Thursday admitted that
three-quarters of the oil that was released into the Gulf of Mexico
after BP’s Deepwater Horizon spill was still there, contradicting his
earlier claim that the worst of the spill had passed, the Guardian
reported. Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and
Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), presented a radically different
picture than the one the White House had presented to the public earlier
this month. He contradicted his own reports from two weeks ago that
suggested that the majority of the oil had been captured or broken down.
“I would say most of that is still in the environment,” Lehr told the
House energy and commerce committee." So just how many other thing are the President and his crony corrupt "scientist experts" lying about?
His statement seems to all but confirm suspicions within the scientific community that the White House was trying to spin and hide scientific data regarding the damage of the oil spill. The only member of Congress who turned up at the hearing was Ed Markey, the committee chair. Lehr did, however, revise the amount of oil that spilled into the gulf, saying that only 4.1 million barrels were spilled versus the previous estimate of 4.9, noting that 800,000 barrels were siphoned directly from the well.
A number of estimates that aren’t coming from the White House suggest that as much as 90 percent of the oil is unaccounted for. Lehr himself said that only 6 percent was burned and the other 4 percent was skimmed, but he wasn’t confident on the amount collected from beaches.
Not surprisingly, the administatrion once again found a way to blame someone else for its ongoing horrendous mismanagement of everything from the economy, to internal politics, to foreign relations, and even to natural disasters.
Markey was visible upset and critical of Lehr, saying that the released report by NOAA gave the public a false sense of confidence. “You shouldn’t have released it until you knew it was right,” he said.
“People want to believe that everything is OK and I think this report and the way it is being discussed is giving many people a false sense of confidence regarding the state of the Gulf.”
The Obama administration’s credibility took a dive after Ian MacDonald, ocean scientist at Florida State University and has studied the Gulf of Mexico for 30 years, said that the White House made “sweeping and largely unsupported” claims by saying that three-quarters of the oil was gone. “I believe this report is misleading,” he said. “The imprint will be there in the Gulf of Mexico for the rest of my life. It is not gone and it will not go away quickly.” He further went on to note the tipping point from which the ecosystem in the Gulf wouldn’t recover.
Today’s testimony and further evidence that continues to crop up within the scientific community put the White House in an uneasy situation as the November elections aren’t far off.
Is it too late to ask an independent third party body to finally evaluate the integrity of the seabed around the first oil spill and confirm (or deny) the late Matt Simmons' conjecture, which with each passing day seems to become more and more credible, as those who have the most to lose from the truth are caught lying ceaselessly. And yet those who will be hurt the most continue to pretend that all is well, and eagerly eat up all the lies offered them by their superiors. Perhaps, at the end of the day, everyone in this fiasco deserves what they get?
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During the 1980s, a giant oil storage tank in southwestern Pennsylvania ruptured and dumped some 850,000 gallons of heating / diesel oil on the ground. It ran downhill, filling a local creek and then ran into the Ohio River west of Pittsburgh, like a giant slug of petroleum. Local breweries, from as far as Fulton, NY shut down their breweries instantly and started bottling water to ship at No Charge to shutdown communities whose water supply came from the Ohio. By the time the frozen slug of oil reached New Orleans, it was so dispersed those far southern communities didn't need the National Guards' emergency water pumping stations and associated pipe lines to route around the oil slug and so protect those communities' water systems. Americans stood right up and protected each others' communities. The icy cold oil slug was dispersed over those thousands of miles of river water cubic volume, so dilution is a solution to some pollution. God help us in the Gulf of Mexico and pray He and Mother Nature have detoxed this poison.
Hey, where the h3ll are Rockford and Gasminer and the BP bloggers now?
Maybe BP is downsizing their PR budget spending...
I was just wondering the same thing - I guess they assumed we got the "all clear"
I'm dead remember you idiot. I worked on the Exxon Valldez Spill cleanup, and YOU cited a source that said I was dead! Please tell me why I am a "BP" blogger. Have I ever defended BP or the WH administration? Where have I ever posted that the MSM and The Govt. have our best interest at heart.
Maybe you have no substance and choose instead to make shit up.
Oh, Jimmy.
"Somebody call the cops!"
Pelicans are useless, too. They eat live fish.
Wish the oil had killed millions more.
Ecology, morons!
Clearly the fish and birds that met their demise were suicidal, Much as the Bank owned american peons.
Hey, you all are peons . Me too, but i always knew it! Haha, lol, rolling on floor and all that. I will meet some of you under a bridge one day. If you use the word "ZEROHEDGE" i wont kill you and i may share my food.
If you are wearing a suit and have no callouses you became a sexobject, target and good game to hunt.
Thats some future eh? Funny shit we are getting buried in.
four in a row, check your sarc. button.
I am going to short Homo sapiens tomorrow!
Disclaimer: I have no position.
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I am not a gov't or BP apologist but I do know both Ian MacDonald and Jane Lubchenko and I have been working the science on this spill since week two. This article is garbage. Everyone has an "estimate." You want my estimate? There are a whole bunch of research dollars at stake. This is politics writ small within the oceanographic research community.
Here is a direct quote from the source "article".
"Markey was visible upset and critical of Lehr, saying that the released report by NOAA gave the public a false sense of confidence. “You shouldn’t have released it until you knew it was right,” he said.
“People want to believe that everything is OK and I think this report and the way it is being discussed is giving many people a false sense of confidence regarding the state of the Gulf.”
The Obama administration’s credibility took a dive after Ian MacDonald, ocean scientist at Florida State University and has studied the Gulf of Mexico for 30 years, said that the White House made “sweeping and largely unsupported” claims by saying that three-quarters of the oil was gone. “I believe this report is misleading,” he said. “The imprint will be there in the Gulf of Mexico for the rest of my life. It is not gone and it will not go away quickly.” He further went on to note the tipping point from which the ecosystem in the Gulf wouldn’t recover.
Today’s testimony and further evidence that continues to crop up within the scientific community put the White House in an uneasy situation as the November elections aren’t far off."
Poorly written misleading garbage. There is no admission of lying by anyone anywhere. No conspiracy.
You want my estimate? There are a whole bunch of research dollars at stake.
Excellent point, TJ. Always pays to follow the money.
If you can share - what's your sense on the broader issues? (The level of damage to the GOM ecosystems - impacts on shipping/fishing/shrimping - etc.) Cheers -
I think at this point is impossible to say what the long term impacts will be. There is a lot of work left to do. The yahoos from USF, UGA, and some of these other grandstanders are not the ones who should be doing it. All of these issuers of 'preliminary' results are after one thing only. Headlines. They aren't even 'results' just speculation. The very first 'plume' reports rom USF turned out to be from natural seep origin (Green Canyon 234), yet that didn't make the news here on ZH, nor did they hold a subsequent press conference to explain themselves.
Many thanks - and good luck.
No shit? Maybe they should sex it up next time.
Keep posting Tom. I am listening. You have a good posting history here as far as I am concerned-- credible.
After the stuff I heard this week at the annual meetings for my discipline, I believe that money could be a driver of some of this. For instance, I am the editor of a journal. Our "impact number" is slipping some. We have been advised to tell our authors to self cite the journal at least 10 times in the article to raise the number of citations for the journal. There was more "advice" like that from the publisher on how to gun the numbers. Kind of like getting your company at the top of the google search. Now if everyone is gunning the numbers and you don't, you get to stand on the sidelines and be passed by. But you know who you are if you do "gun the numbers."
I am pissed at the academy just this second. Talked to a woman bragging about her grants. She blatantly told me she was telling the gov what they wanted to hear and taking the dollars and doing something else with them (the research she really wants to do). Fuck that. Ponzi academy. Ponzi fucking life.
I may be too idealistic to have a career any more.
Hope you like your work. Very glad you are employed. Keep us in your loop and thanks for posting.
Feel your pain, Ms. I graduated PhD from an Ivy "professor factory" (after working for a defense contractor for 9-years - talk about culture shock!) and didn't go into academia for precisely these (and a couple other) reasons. Well stated.
Once Fraud Street burns to the ground we need to start working on the ivory (and ivy) towers next.
Interesting posts. Thank you.
Hi Tj, Who should be doing this research if not USF and UGA? Is Woods Hole ok? FSU?
would you mind stating what exactly you are objecting to in the fieldwork? CB
I have no objection to anyone doing fieldwork.
The holding of press conferences espousing "dramatic results" before the first sample collected during a cruise has been processed is what I have a problem with.
The Weatherbird II and the Pelican do not have the lab space or chemical analysis capabilities to to any real-time analytical work, so anything phoned in from a cruise or released during a press conference the instant those respective vessels touched the dock are absolutely suspect. There are lots of researchers with a lot of experience working with GOM ecosystems and biota working on collecting and analyzing samples and data as we speak. I know for a fact that no body of water has been as extensively sampled on this time scale, Ever. There are serious people working on serious results. I know for a fact that senior researchers from WHOI, SCRIPS, HBOI, LSU, Penn State, U of Miss, UF, UofM, FAU,are all working on various aspects of the spill. The glory hounds from USF and Georgia Sea Grant are transparently trying to "get their names in the paper" This is something obvious to everyone working in the field but obviously not to the laywoman, CNN, or AP. Much less Matt Simmons, Cryptogon, Alex Jones, and ZH. I'm not saying that the little boats, with the small-time players can't do real work and make serious contributions, I am saying that in this instance they most definitely FAIL.
Every time I have tried posting anything on this topic I have been shouted down as a BP "plant." I do not work for BP, NOAA, NSF or any other oil company or federal agency. I am mad as hell and extremely concerned by what has happened to the GOM, but I just spent 61 days on scene and it is not the epic, world-ending disaster- black swan nightmare that it has constantly been played up to be.
Try to remember that for every one shouting you down, there are 10 more listening quietly and objectively. Thanks for your input - your credibility is obvious to those that want to actually learn something.
The anger and discredit is not directed at you. Please don't blame the impassioned anger and skepticism on sensationalism or sheer ignorance. As some of us pointed out when Simmons suddenly died, no one knows what to think or who to trust anymore. Things are falling apart. Governments are taking greater and greater risks for peak oil & making up wars for the same reason so why wouldn't they lie about environmental impact? On every subject including the economy, we are being lied to at an increasing rate and on grander scales in proportion to their desperation. I don't think you'd be here if you didn't share some of these concerns. We appreciate your input and experience
Thanks Davey. Very reasonable.
Sorry what exactly are you doing down in the gulf? You said that you do not work for gov or an oil company. Are you doing research? If yes then with what university?
And what is your field of study?
Just askin
Arka
Deny, lie, suppress, extend & pretend. All in the name of national security.
Keep on posting - good stuff ! There story just seems to keep on going.
There is absolutely no chance everything we are hearing is even remotely close to the truth. There was an unprecedented media blackout of the event orchestrated by BP and the administration. Oil does not vanish why do you think BP was adamant about continued Corexit use. It is all irrelevant now the oil and chemicals will have penetrated the food chain and remain hidden which is why they wanted to use the chems. They are numerous reports of tainted crabs because now the oil is small enough to not be avoided and be ingested which willl lead to mutations in DNA over decades. It's a real sad story. Nature is very delicate and although it will recover it will be centuries from now. In the interim I check all the fresh shrimpI saute to see if it is imported from Vietnam because there is not a fucking chance I will eat anything ever again knowingly from the Gulf. And that sucks for their residents and commercial because it is not their fault. Anyway Simmons will end up being correct about the seafloor. Who would have though it would be him and not BP that would not survive the summer. Bravo Matt for being courageous enough to speak your mind and tell the truth. You will not be forgotten. C.I.A. Wet teams are no joke.
Well if your going to junk at least state your disagreement.
"Junk" = "I disagree with your comments". Probably about CIA wet teams.
ZH should just enable "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" on each post, because "junk" will never be used as intended.
I think it has to do with the belief that the Simmons comment was poor tatse.
I was simply using Mr. Simmons own words from June if people forget. I was simply pointing out the irony.
http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/4968/Energy
OIL THE HUGE MANATEES!!!
(inspired by Hindenburg Omen)
As for me I personally emailed buddies in DC demanding water table instrumentation be deployed waaaaaaay back in the wayback days of this 'spew'.
Hey, lookie! Oil! In the...Water! OMG!!!
hoocoodanoo?
Over reaction.
yet again zerohedge takes a witch hunt mentality. You don't like the truth so spin it the way you want. The oil is gone. This was an extremely minor ecological event. Anyone who says different is blatantly lying.
I would assume this was 110% sarcasm if I hadn't read other similar claims you had made in prior discussions.
So, a senior scientist from NOAA is now lying, even though it's embarrassing to him and the administration? Rrrright.....
Your beef is with, "Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)" Bubba.
Quotes Bitchez!
(that was my first use of "Bitchez" .. must fight that .. Bitchez!)
"extremely minor ecological event"
even BP doesn't claim that
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/aug/19/bp-oil-spill-scientist...
I know we shouldn't feed the trolls, but can we oil the trolls?
Nuke the trolls!
Will they stop squeaking if we oil them?
Hmmm, based on experience with grease and pigs....no. Too bad.
(D) or (R) it just doesn't matter...the lies keep coming and the sheeple keep accepting them....this country has sold it's soul.
The (D)(R) Jekell has nothing to Hyde
Will we ever know the truth? I think not.
He lied because he was pressured to, thats it. This whole thing is a sham. All the scientists who aren't BP owned knew that the gulf would be toxic for a long time and that this oil wouldn't easily leave the ecosystem as obama said evaporated that quickly. The oil from the Valdeze didn't "evaporate" it's still being found today in the soil. They are killing us and we are to dumb to say stop.
Cody,
We know the truth. The truth is the oil is gone. And the further truthm is this was never a big dal to begin with.
tick,tock,tick,tock,tick,tock...the truth is gonna hurt. Matt Simmons, rest in peace.
One thing is for sure: 76% of the oil is not "gone". It is either diluted into the gulf water, or sitting at the bottom, not floating as oil normally does, maybe due to the Corexit. And speaking of Corexit, it is 4X more toxic than the oil itself. They used at least 1.8 MILLION gallons of the stuff. I won't be eating any gulf seafood anytime soon.
Matt Simmons voiced valid concerns from a person experienced in the oil industry. As the days go on, the official media story comes more and more in line with the story that Simmons was telling. Now they're saying they need to replace the blowout preventer before doing the "bottom kill". Simmons' death is extremely suspicious.
Looks like my four factual contributions to this thread based on actual experience working in the GOM for the past two months on spill research are being junked out again. I am honestly all done wasting my time.
MsCreant, It has been a pleasure exchanging banter with your over the past year or two. I tried planting my email address in the comments section back in May because I could tell you were seriously worried about the spill impacts. I have tried to add some ground truth to some of these threads but I invariably get junked out.
TJ:
The potential magnitude of what has happened in the GoM is potentially so large, so damaging and so uncertain, that it may be years before we know what the end result might be. Remember, too, that this has taken place in the same time frame as a financial collapse of monumental proportions, a terrorist attack leading to a series of endless, unwinnable wars and the emergence of a kleptocrtaic aristocracy obsessed with looting at the highest levels.
The doubters, the junkers, it’s not necessarily you that they mistrust. Instead what’s being expressed is anxiety over another systemic institutional failure. We have become so used to self serving, surreptitious half-truths form the smooth talking charlatans on the dole that any and all statements originating from official sources are immediately subject to both doubt and scorn.
Once upon a time in the west this was referred to as ‘the credibility gap’.
The failures of TPTB to provide accurate, real time information about what happened in the GoM, why it happened, how it happened and what mitigation strategies are being put in place to deal with the disaster has left an enormous void, a cosmic informational rabbit hole, that has been filled with angst ridden speculations and wild accusation as to cause and effect.
Given the tenor of the times that is to be expected.
Ignore the white noise, the blasphemous slurs, the contentious slanders, the personal attacks and continue to post reliable information and hard truths as they become available to you.
If you can do that, you will be doing everyone here an enormous favor.
I gotta go with that.
doesn't this all sound like another 9/11 cover-up?
Its an ongoing investigation and has national security risks so every things gotta be secret.
Im so sick of it.
on Thu, 08/19/2010 - 17:49
#531622
What does anything you said have to do with the topic of this post which is, and let me repeat, that a scientist confirmed he had lied (whether or not under duress) about the presence of oil in the gulf? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tyler, understood and good point. But, notice there is little outrage over more Government lies, regardless of the source. Government is a lie. The new shock reports will be when Government does not spin/lie/lie/lie/lie.
for fuck's sake did anyone expect the ignorant kenyan born indonesian fake president to tell the truth about the gulf oil hemorhage? if the liar lied about his non-existent birth certificate would the liar suddenly tell the truth about his rockefeller puppet masters' oil greed problems in the gulf?
obama is a big business fascist republican/democrat.
www.obamacrimes.com
++ you forgot zionist/nazi
who do you know who has changed there entire name.
who do you know who has changed there entire name in college,
wrote a book about thier life and failed to mention it.
his real name is Barry Soetoro...look it up.
His real name is his legal name. What is his current, legal name?
terror everywhere..
Bizarre slideshow on Telegraph's web site depicts mini-nuke attack on 7 citieshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/4220575/Black...
What the fuck is going on with all the trolls here? I have been browsing ZH for quite some time, and occasionally post, but I have never seen near as much bullshit as what is going on with this article. BP Scum, Obummer Scum, who the fuck are all these people?
What really pisses me off to no end are the idiots who claim the oil is gone, no biggie, nothing to see here. Let me tell you this, we have practically fished our oceans out of existence. Yes mother nature is stronger than we give her credit for, however one of these times we are going to push her over the cliff. Then do you know what that fucking means? GAME OVER. No matter what your MEANINGLESS economic or political affiliation. MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh I just realized, I did not want to seen one sided.... Bush scum, Clinton scum, Bush scum, Reagan scum, etc... I think you get the point.
Wait ... we have a hero . K Denninger is the man to expose the lies - um ... er propaganda . No oil here comrades . Now , get back to work in the fields !!!!!
Even better replace the math captcha with one based on knowledge - hmmm what is Denniger's first name? What is fractional reserve banking? What do treasury yields tell us (asked a friend for help with this one)? When did the US go off the gold standard and why is it important? Define deflation, inflation and stagflation. What is the prognosis for the Euro? Explain why it is a good time to be Australian or Canadian in 500 words or less.
<and yes - joking - mostly!>
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hello,
it has been clear for a while the default goverment position is to lie until caught with the truth
they dont even care when thier caught, they just lie some more or say they forgot or they didnt see it comming.
they claim ignorance and stupidipity to stay out of jail.
but we all know that "stupid people don't get rich".
thats my quote, feel free to use it.
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INSIDE OBAMA'S FISH TANK
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Massive Plume from BP Oil Spill Discovered
"A group of scientists say they’ve discovered a massive plume of hydrocarbons from the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. According to a statement from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI), the plum measured at least 22 miles long and was located more than 3,000 feet below the ocean’s surface. The WHOI study appears in the Aug. 19 issue of the journal Science."
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/23221
Now, that's a biiiiiiig plum. Where is your Little Jack Horner now?
So 'Barry Pinochio' lied again, I am shocked !
NOAA also announced yesterday that the spill
estimate will be released within two months, due
to 'peer-review'.Probably the rig will have blown up by then, good
time frame.Wonder how much BP bribed
Salazar, who should be impeached and hand-cuffed before he
runs off to Nigeria or another BP-land.
Imho, the affected States should also sue EPA, NOAA
and MMS for 'intentional negligence'
There are certainly a lot of details like that to take into consideration.I read and understand the entire article and I really enjoyed it to be honest.
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