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VIPS Sends Memo To Obama Warning Israel May Bomb Iran "As Early As This Month"
The Steering Group of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
(VIPS) which consists of Phil Giraldi, former CIA (20 years), Larry
Johnson, former CIA; DoS, (24 years), W. Patrick Lang, Col., USA,
Special Forces (ret.); Director of HUMINT Collection, Defense
Intelligence Agency (30 years), Ray McGovern, US Army Intelligence
Officer, CIA (30 years), Coleen Rowley, FBI (24 years), and Ann Wright,
Col., US Army Reserve (ret.), (29 years); Foreign Service Officer,
Department of State (16 years), have penned a memo to the president in
an attempt to alert him "to the likelihood that Israel
will attack Iran as early as this month. This would likely lead to a
wider war." Read on for the full memo by the activist group.
First appearing in TruthOut
Obama Warned Israel May Bomb Iran
MEMORANDUM FOR: The President
FROM: Veteran Intelligence
Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: War With Iran
We write to alert you to the likelihood that Israel
will attack Iran as early as this month. This would likely lead to a
wider war.
Israel’s leaders would calculate that once the battle
is joined, it will be politically untenable for you to give anything
less than unstinting support to Israel, no matter how the war started,
and that U.S. troops and weaponry would flow freely. Wider war could
eventually result in destruction of the state of Israel.
This can be stopped, but only if you move
quickly to pre-empt an Israeli attack by publicly condemning such a move
before it happens.
We believe that comments by senior American
officials, you included, reflect misplaced trust in Israeli Prime
Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu.
Actually, the phrasing itself can be revealing, as
when CIA Director Panetta implied cavalierly that Washington leaves it
up to the Israelis to decide whether and when to attack Iran, and how
much “room” to give to the diplomatic effort.
On June 27, Panetta casually told ABC’s Jake Tapper,
“I think they are willing to give us the room to be able to try to
change Iran diplomatically … as opposed to changing them militarily.”
Similarly, the tone you struck referring to Netanyahu
and yourself in your July 7 interview with Israeli TV was distinctly
out of tune with decades of unfortunate history with Israeli leaders.
“Neither of us try to surprise each other,” you said,
“and that approach is one that I think Prime Minister Netanyahu is
committed to.” You may wish to ask Vice President Biden to remind you of
the kind of surprises he has encountered in Israel.
Blindsiding has long been an arrow in Israel’s
quiver. During the emerging Middle East crisis in the spring of 1967,
some of us witnessed closely a flood of Israeli surprises and deception,
as Netanyahu’s predecessors feigned fear of an imminent Arab attack as
justification for starting a war to seize and occupy Arab territories.
We had long since concluded that Israel had been
exaggerating the Arab “threat” — well before 1982 when former Israeli
Prime Minister Menachem Begin publicly confessed:
“In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian army
concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that [Egyptian
President] Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with
ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
Israel had, in fact, prepared well militarily and
also mounted provocations against its neighbors, in order to provoke a
response that could be used to justify expansion of its borders.
Given this record, one would be well advised to greet
with appropriate skepticism any private assurances Netanyahu may have
given you that Israel would not surprise you with an attack on Iran.
Netanyahu’s Calculations
Netanyahu believes he holds the high cards, largely
because of the strong support he enjoys in our Congress and our strongly
pro-Israel media. He reads your reluctance even to mention in
controversial bilateral issues publicly during his recent visit as
affirmation that he is in the catbird seat in the relationship.
During election years in the U.S. (including
mid-terms), Israeli leaders are particularly confident of the power they
and the Likud Lobby enjoy on the American political scene.
This prime minister learned well from Menachem Begin
and Ariel Sharon.
Netanyahu’s attitude comes through in a video taped
nine years ago and shown on Israeli TV, in which he bragged about how he
deceived President Clinton into believing he (Netanyahu) was helping
implement the Oslo accords when he was actually destroying them.
The tape displays a contemptuous attitude toward —
and wonderment at — an America so easily influenced by Israel.
Netanyahu says:
“America is something that can be easily moved. Moved
in the right direction. … They won’t get in our way … Eighty percent of
the Americans support us. It’s absurd.”
Israeli columnist Gideon Levy wrote that the video
shows Netanyahu to be “a con artist … who thinks that Washington is in
his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes,” adding that
such behavior “does not change over the years.”
As mentioned above, Netanyahu has had instructive
role models.
None other than Gen. Brent Scowcroft told the
Financial Times that former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had
George W. Bush “mesmerized;” that “Sharon just has him “wrapped around
his little finger.”
(Scowcroft was promptly relieved of his duties as
chair of the prestigious President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
and told never again to darken the White House doorstep.)
If further proof of American political support for
Netanyahu were needed, it was manifest when Senators McCain, Lieberman,
and Graham visited Israel during the second week of July.
Lieberman asserted that there is wide support in
Congress for using all means to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear power,
including “through military actions if we must.” Graham was equally
explicit: “The Congress has Israel’s back,” he said.
More recently, 47 House Republicans have signed onto
H.R. 1553 declaring “support for Israel’s right to use all means
necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by Iran …
including the use of military force.”
The power of the Likud Lobby, especially in an
election year, facilitates Netanyahu’s attempts to convince those few of
his colleagues who need convincing that there may never be a more
auspicious time to bring about “regime change” in Tehran.
And, as we hope your advisers have told you, regime
change, not Iranian nuclear weapons, is Israel’s primary concern.
If Israel’s professed fear that one or two nuclear
weapons in Iran’s arsenal would be a game changer, one would have
expected Israeli leaders to jump up and down with glee at the
possibility of seeing half of Iran’s low enriched uranium shipped
abroad.
Instead, they dismissed as a “trick” the tripartite
deal, brokered by Turkey and Brazil with your personal encouragement,
that would ship half of Iran’s low enriched uranium outside Tehran’s
control.
The National Intelligence Estimate
The Israelis have been looking on intently as the
U.S. intelligence community attempts to update, in a “Memorandum to
Holders,” the NIE of November 2007 on Iran’s nuclear program. It is
worth recalling a couple of that Estimate’s key judgments:
“We judge with high confidence that in fall of 2003
Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program. … We assess with moderate
confidence Tehran has not restarted its nuclear program as of mid-2007,
but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear
weapons …”
Earlier this year, public congressional testimony by
former Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair (February 1 &
2) and Defense Intelligence Agency Director Gen. Ronald Burgess with
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. James Cartwright (April 14) did
not alter those key judgments.
Blair and others continued to underscore the
intelligence community’s agnosticism on one key point: as Blair put it
earlier this year, “We do not know if Iran will eventually decide to
build a nuclear weapon.”
The media have reported off-the-cuff comments by
Panetta and by you, with a darker appraisal — with you telling Israeli
TV “… all indicators are that they [the Iranians] are in fact pursuing a
nuclear weapon;” and Panetta telling ABC, “I think they continue to
work on designs in that area [of weaponization].”
Panetta hastened to add, though, that in Tehran,
“There is a continuing debate right now as to whether or not they ought
to proceed with the bomb.”
Israel probably believes it must give more weight to
the official testimony of Blair, Burgess, and Cartwright, which dovetail
with the earlier NIE, and the Israelis are afraid that the long-delayed
Memorandum to Holders of the 2007 NIE will essentially affirm that
Estimate’s key judgments.
Our sources tell us that an honest Memorandum to
Holders is likely to do precisely that, and that they suspect that the
several-months-long delay means intelligence judgments are being “fixed”
around the policy — as was the case before the attack on Iraq.
One War Prevented
The key judgments of the November 2007 NIE shoved an
iron rod into the wheel spokes of the Dick Cheney-led juggernaut rolling
toward war on Iran. The NIE infuriated Israel leaders eager to attack
before President Bush and Vice President Cheney left office. This time,
Netanyahu fears that issuance of an honest Memorandum might have similar
effect.
Bottom line: more incentive for Israel to pre-empt
such an Estimate by striking Iran sooner rather than later.
Last week’s announcement that U.S. officials will
meet next month with Iranian counterparts to resume talks on ways to
arrange higher enrichment of Iranian low enriched uranium for Tehran’s
medical research reactor was welcome news to all but the Israeli
leaders.
In addition, Iran reportedly has said it would be
prepared to halt enrichment to 20 percent (the level needed for the
medical research reactor), and has made it clear that it looks forward
to the resumption of talks.
Again, an agreement that would send a large portion
of Iran’s LEU abroad would, at a minimum, hinder progress toward nuclear
weapons, should Iran decide to develop them. But it would also greatly
weaken Israel’s scariest rationale for an attack on Iran.
Bottom line: with the talks on what Israel’s leaders
earlier labeled a “trick” now scheduled to resume in September,
incentive builds in Tel Aviv for the Israelis to attack before any such
agreement can be reached.
We’ll say it again: the objective is regime change.
Creating synthetic fear of Iranian nuclear weapons is simply the best
way to “justify” bringing about regime change. Worked well for Iraq, no?
Another War in Need of Prevention
A strong public statement by you, personally warning
Israel not to attack Iran would most probably head off such an Israeli
move. Follow-up might include dispatching Adm. Mullen to Tel Aviv with
military-to-military instructions to Israel: Don’t Even Think of It.
In the wake of the 2007 NIE, President Bush overruled
Vice President Cheney and sent Adm. Mullen to Israel to impart that
hard message. A much-relieved Mullen arrived home that spring sure of
step and grateful that he had dodged the likelihood of being on the end
of a Cheney-inspired order for him to send U.S. forces into war with
Iran.
This time around, Mullen returned with sweaty palms
from a visit to Israel in February 2010. Ever since, he has been
worrying aloud that Israel might mousetrap the U.S. into war with Iran,
while adding the obligatory assurance that the Pentagon does have an
attack plan for Iran, if needed.
In contrast to his experience in 2008, though, Mullen
seemed troubled that Israel’s leaders did not take his warnings
seriously.
While in Israel, Mullen insisted publicly that an
attack on Iran would be “a big, big, big problem for all of us, and I
worry a great deal about the unintended consequences.”
After his return, at a Pentagon press conference on
Feb. 22 Mullen drove home the same point. After reciting the usual
boilerplate about Iran being “on the path to achieve nuclear
weaponization” and its “desire to dominate its neighbors,” he included
the following in his prepared remarks:
“For now, the diplomatic and the economic levers of
international power are and ought to be the levers first pulled. Indeed,
I would hope they are always and consistently pulled. No strike,
however effective, will be, in and of itself, decisive.”
Unlike younger generals — David Petraeus, for example
— Adm. Mullen served in the Vietnam War. That experience is probably
what prompts asides like this: “I would remind everyone of an essential
truth: War is bloody and uneven. It’s messy and ugly and incredibly
wasteful …”
Although the immediate context for that remark was
Afghanistan, Mullen has underscored time and again that war with Iran
would be a far larger disaster. Those with a modicum of familiarity with
the military, strategic and economic equities at stake know he is
right.
Other Steps
In 2008, after Mullen read the Israelis the riot act,
they put their pre-emptive plans for Iran aside. With that mission
accomplished, Mullen gave serious thought to ways to prevent any
unintended (or, for that matter, deliberately provoked) incidents in the
crowded Persian Gulf that could lead to wider hostilities.
Mullen sent up an interesting trial balloon at a July
2, 2008, press conference, when he indicated that military-to-military
dialogue could “add to a better understanding” between the U.S. and
Iran. But nothing more was heard of this overture, probably because
Cheney ordered him to drop it.
It was a good idea — still is. The danger of a
U.S.-Iranian confrontation in the crowded Persian Gulf has not been
addressed, and should be. Establishment of a direct communications link
between top military officials in Washington and Tehran would reduce the
danger of an accident, miscalculation, or covert, false-flag attack.
In our view, that should be done immediately —
particularly since recently introduced sanctions assert a right to
inspect Iranian ships. The naval commander of the Iranian Revolutionary
Guards reportedly has threatened “a response in the Persian Gulf and the
Strait of Hormuz,” if anyone tries to inspect Iranian ships in
international waters.
Another safety valve would result from successful
negotiation of the kind of bilateral “incidents-at-sea” protocol that
was concluded with the Russians in 1972 during a period of relatively
high tension.
With only interim nobodies at the helm of the
intelligence community, you may wish to consider knocking some heads
together yourself and insisting that it finish an honest Memorandum to
Holders of the 2007 NIE by mid-August — recording any dissents, as
necessary.
Sadly, our former colleagues tell us that
politicization of intelligence analysis did not end with the departure
of Bush and Cheney…and that the problem is acute even at the State
Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research, which in the past has
done some of the best professional, objective, tell-it-like-it-is
analysis.
Pundits, Think Tanks: Missing the Point
As you may have noticed, most of page one of Sunday’s
Washington Post Outlook section was given to an article titled, “A
Nuclear Iran: Would America Strike to Prevent It? — Imagining Obama’s
Response to an Iranian Missile Crisis.”
Page five was dominated by the rest of the article,
under the title “Who will blink first when Iran is on the brink?”
A page-wide photo of a missile rolling past Iranian
dignitaries on a reviewing stand (reminiscent of the familiar parades on
Red Square) is aimed at the centerfold of the Outlook section, as if
poised to blow it to smithereens.
Typically, the authors address the Iranian “threat”
as though it endangers the U.S., even though Secretary Clinton has
stated publicly that this is not the case. They write that one option
for the U.S. is “the lonely, unpopular path of taking military action
lacking allied consensus.” O Tempora, O Mores!
In less than a decade, wars of aggression have become
nothing more than lonely, unpopular paths.
What is perhaps most remarkable, though, is that the
word Israel is nowhere to be found in this very long article. Similar
think pieces, including some from relatively progressive think tanks,
also address these issues as though they were simply bilateral
U.S.-Iranian problems, with little or no attention to Israel.
Guns of August?
The stakes could hardly be higher. Letting slip the
dogs of war would have immense repercussions. Again, we hope that Adm.
Mullen and others have given you comprehensive briefings on them.
Netanyahu would be taking a fateful gamble by
attacking Iran, with high risk to everyone involved. The worst, but
conceivable case, has Netanyahu playing — unintentionally — Dr.
Kevorkian to the state of Israel.
Even if the U.S. were to be sucked into a war
provoked by Israel, there is absolutely no guarantee that the war would
come out well.
Were the U.S. to suffer significant casualties, and
were Americans to become aware that such losses came about because of
exaggerated Israeli claims of a nuclear threat from Iran, Israel could
lose much of its high standing in the United States.
There could even be an upsurge in anti-Semitism, as
Americans conclude that officials with dual loyalties in Congress and
the executive branch threw our troops into a war provoked, on false
pretenses, by Likudniks for their own narrow purposes.
We do not have a sense that major players in Tel Aviv
or in Washington are sufficiently sensitive to these critical factors.
You are in position to prevent this unfortunate, but
likely chain reaction. We allow for the possibility that Israeli
military action might not lead to a major regional war, but we consider
the chances of that much less than even.
Footnote: VIPS Experience
We VIPS have found ourselves in this position before.
We prepared our first Memorandum for the President on the afternoon of
February 5, 2003 after Colin Powell’s speech at the UN.
We had been watching how our profession was being
corrupted into serving up faux intelligence that was later criticized
(correctly) as “uncorroborated, contradicted, and nonexistent” —
adjectives used by former Senate Intelligence Committee chair Jay
Rockefeller after a five-year investigation by his committee.
As Powell spoke, we decided collectively that the
responsible thing to do was to try to warn the President before he acted
on misguided advice to attack Iraq. Unlike Powell, we did not claim
that our analysis was “irrefutable and undeniable.” We did conclude with
this warning:
“After watching Secretary Powell today, we are
convinced that you would be well served if you widened the discussion …
beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we
see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended
consequences are likely to be catastrophic.”
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/downloads/vipstwelve.pdf
We take no satisfaction at having gotten it right on
Iraq. Others with claim to more immediate expertise on Iraq were issuing
similar warnings. But we were kept well away from the wagons circled by
Bush and Cheney.
Sadly, your own Vice President, who was then chair of
the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, was among the most assiduous in
blocking opportunities for dissenting voices to be heard. This is part
of what brought on the worst foreign policy disaster in our nation’s
history.
We now believe that we may also be right on (and
right on the cusp of) another impending catastrophe of even wider scope —
Iran — on which another President, you, are not getting good advice
from your closed circle of advisers.
They are probably telling you that, since you have
privately counseled Prime Minister Netanyahu against attacking Iran, he
will not do it. This could simply be the familiar syndrome of telling
the President what they believe he wants to hear.
Quiz them; tell them others believe them to be dead
wrong on Netanyahu. The only positive here is that you — only you —can
prevent an Israeli attack on Iran.
Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence
Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
Phil Giraldi, Directorate of Operations, CIA
(20 years)
Larry Johnson, Directorate of Intelligence,
CIA; Department of State, Department of Defense consultant (24 years)
W. Patrick Lang, Col., USA, Special Forces
(ret.); Senior Executive Service: Defense Intelligence Officer for
Middle East/South Asia, Director of HUMINT Collection, Defense
Intelligence Agency (30 years)
Ray McGovern, US Army Intelligence Officer,
Directorate of Intelligence, CIA (30 years)
Coleen Rowley, Special Agent and Minneapolis
Division Counsel, FBI (24 years)
Ann Wright, Col., US Army Reserve (ret.), (29
years); Foreign Service Officer, Department of State (16 years)
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Simple solution. Shoot down all Israeli planes within 500 miles of Iran and sink any subs in the Arabian sea. We need more practice tracking and killing diesel subs and the Navy can finally avenge the USS Liberty.
I missed the memo.
Why does Israel geopolitics intrude so often into Tyler's stock market postings?
Tyler has explained himself on that point from time to time. Something to the effect that a conflict with Iran could affect a number of things that investors pay attention to. So it makes sense to stay informed of the climate around Iran. It also helps to increase ad revenue by increasing clicks. (That last sentence is what we say, not Tyler.)
Israel runs the US, dummy, that's why. Besides, it's all your media covers-every little scrape poor innocent Israel has with the entire rest of the world against it.
Nobody likes that terrorist hole. They're right about that.
Hopium,
You asked a simple question, and got junked 11 times.....shows you the Anti Semite haters here.
I guess their Arab/Islamic ass queeps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mot5QEecT1M
Shaul Mofaz, the IDF Chief of the General Staff from 98-02, and born in Teheran, Iran, stated on 60-minutes that Israel would NEVER allow Iran to possess a single nuclear weapon. Anyone who has been to Israel knows that one well placed nuclear weapon would basically wipe out Israel. Anyone who has actually listened to what Amadinejad has said about Israel knows that he is deadly serious about eliminating Israel from the Middle East. Given these facts, it is very likely that Israel will strike before Iran has built it's first bomb. Israeli intelligence is excellent. They know far more about what is really happening in Iran than any other intelligence agency. They have already stated that "they will go it alone" if their allies abandon them.
You say "Israel's intelligence in excellent".
First, their average IQ is somewhere in the 90's. LOL!
Second, of course their military intelligence is excellent. How could one not know what was happening, and when, since they were the criminal doing it?
Go ahead, Chaim, attack Iran. It'll be the end of Israel. Israel has shown the world that they cannot be trusted (look how they abuse their allies), so it's just a matter of time. Your tribe should learn how to live in peace real fast, because they ran dry of excuses some time ago.
BDF,
Simple truthful facts, got you junked by anti semite haters.What's that telll you?..........truth hurts huh?
I guess they just do not like Tori Spelling.
this is garbage. it's designed only to create a straw man to bash israel. i guarantee you that israel has no intention of a preemptive strike on iran. i wonder what these wizards are getting in exchange for writing this letter. sometimes tells me it's more than just pure public service and a duty to their country.
you have now the gift of clairvoyance? great
If you only knew the people behind VIPS, you would know that it is about duty to their country. Too many individuals in the beltway and beyond who have not put in a day of public service insist on pre-emptive strikes and the such. So when individuals who have given so many of their lives to their country, including going into battle, I would encourage you to listen.
The people behind VIPS are a bunch of simpering fags. The Israelis will do what they have to do.
Because they want the US to prevent a war which will cost American lives and interests, they are simpering fags?
Israel doing what it wants to do, I agree, but that doesn't mean we can't blow their planes out of the sky once they try to fly over Iraq or wherever it is they plan on striking from.
The people behind VIPS are a bunch of simpering fags. The Israelis will do what they have to do.
Why do you hate America?
Good question. The best explanation that I've found is they hate all host nations/people, and only come here to see what they can exploit. Lots of great men in history said this about them, like George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Henry Ford even handed out books on the topic with every new car purchase, titled "The International Jew". It's a doozy, alright.
perch,
Bingo................their ass is on the line, not OURS.
Last intrade for an Israeli attack on Iran by Sept 10 went for 1.6. Somehow, it seems to me that if the Israelis were making serious plans to launch such an attack, someone on the inside couldn't help but bid up the price a little more than 1.6.-22
Yeah, go ahead start it OB, but watch out for a pinpoint sucker punch...
If the israelis want to go it alone, let them do it alone. Why are we having reservations about it. They have the confidence to unilaterally take iran out. Let them do it.
If Iran wants to take out Israel why don't we let them do that?
Crockett,
Because Israel won't give them first shot.............Simple.
Let em try.The people in Iran are not like their leaders...........just like the US citizen for a huge majority is NOTHING like the leaders in D.C.,just the idiot fks in the Blue states, on the N E coast.
Ain't gonna happen. We get these posts about once a month or so around here with either Iran/Israel or North Korea/anybody.
I love ZH but between these reports and the volcano that never erupted although it was "imminent" for weeks, it's beginning to sound a bit Glenn Beckish.
And Harry Wanger, who used to accumulate junks faster than the ghost of William Jennings Bryan, is beginning to sound like the sanest man in the room, on matters of politics and finance. Can the Apocolypse be far behind?
As for posts of this ilk, perhaps it's economic in nature, since such posts usually attract 400+ comments, a million eyeballs, and the chance for lots of ad clicks.
Debate has ceased to exist, because the ability for a single mind to be changed on any subject---whether it's the ME, gold, inflation vs. deflation, or even chocolate vs. vanilla---has been selected out of the species by the evolutionary process. What remains, whether it's Beck or Olbermann, is just a lot of preaching to choirs.
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I was just thinking the same thing. HA! I had replied to several Harry Wanger posts several months ago (don't necessarily dissagree, but don't necessarily agree either with his point of view) and thought it odd that there is a completely different crowd on ZH for these posts. In fact, there is very few people I recognize on the blog comments anymore (I'm a daily reader, but a few-and-far-between poster) Did everyone take off for the summer, or has everyone found their places and gone silent for the coming storm?
Has anyone else noticed that as well?: I've noticed it in myself to a point, and I probably wouldn't obsess over ZH and my 37 RSS feeds every day if I wasn't so goddamn OCD about this whole financial situation. It seems though, that alot of the pretty sharp people have found a transitional consensus of sorts, in which everyone has "enough data" to determine, in broad strokes where this all is going. It also feels like a bit of market exaustion. The next 2 years are going to be very interesting...and trying.
The value of ZH was in explaining what happened that led to the market crash. Those facts were observable and reportable. But most of those facts have been observed and reported. Now all we are left with is what is going to happen. There are no facts that are observable and reportable about that subject. All there can be is speculation. The quality of the posts on ZH suffer because of that truth.
I know what you mean, Sarge. Maybe it's Outrage Fatigue. Maybe some people are beginning to question the wisdom of believing in The Last Days, which may be postponed yet again. Maybe some people realize that it is what it is, and since nothing will ever change and the guilty will never be held accountable, it is better for one's psychic well-being to simply move on.
A post like this used to be Chumba bait, but even he has gone to ground. In matters of finance, we've no more contributions from the likes of deadhead, Howard, Dufresne, MsCreant, MinnesotaNice, Miles, etc. And when gold articles fail to draw in Gordon Gekko, the times they have a'changed.
chindit,
Most here, are clueless.....they do not know we are in the Last Day's,and they started the day of the Resurrection took place.
I was also thinking the same thing. I thought maybe they were being pushed out of helicopters over the Atlantic, Argentinian style. I would advise people to be very wary if you see Ford Falcons being driven around your neighborhood in the wee hours.
People are waking up, Sgt, and spreading the word. You're either American, or loyal to Israel, but cannot be both.
Hasbara rats no longer control the internet. Do your part and spread videos of Israel's treachery so we can rip that failed state from our necks!
isra,
You comments are assinine...........your either American, or loyal to Israel?.
America, on the whole has always been Pro Israel.......still is.
So, your saying the vast majority of Americans are not Americans, simply because they disagree with your POV?.
BS.
Interesting how the commentors don't get it. I suppose it's because they are, as a group young, and have not studied the past and God knows we do everything we can to make that difficult. Fact is we go on military adventures every 5 or 10 years and have a major war every 20 years. Average. Over the last 200 years. As to what makes this time different Iran is large. About 71+ millions. The Chinese and Russians both have interests there. Russia has reiterated repeatedly that they will not tolerate any further wars in their "near abroad." They backed up the threat in Georgia. Iran has weaponry capable of destroying the Saudi referineries. Think about that for a minute. Price of Oil - less than $20.00 a barrell. Gas - unavailable at any price. rationed worldwide. Anyone who lights that candle is either an Anarchist or a fool. I bet on the fool and the possability is quie real.
Russia is a bluff wrapped in a brag wrapped in a fraud. One need not worry about Russian reaction - a dying nation which could barely develope the energy to fight Georgia to a draw and couldn't clear a few radicals out of Gozny without flattening the place with artillery.
And I guess you can keep to the 1 war/adventure every 20 years - if you count the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Indian Wars and our intervention in Grenada in such a catagory.
I guess it's too late for you to crawl back under your rock and avoid sounding stupid.
Oh, that train left the station so long ago it can't be seen any more. I'll go with Napoleon - I am so often mistaken that I no longer blush for it.
Still, Russia is a mostly pointless nation - unless they suddenly start having children, our only Russian problem will be to decide who gets what when its partitioned after the last Russian dies off.
Mark,
The Islamic states will divide it up.
Just like ethnic minorities will take over America...........within 15-20yrs.
Which will be fine, as long as we don't give it to the Islamic nutjobs........
And I guess you can keep to the 1 war/adventure every 20 years - if you count the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Indian Wars and our intervention in Grenada in such a catagory.
Read a book fer crissake! Here's US Marine General Smedley Butler detailing operations he took part in over just a 33 year period.
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
General Smedley Butler, USMC, War is a Racket
But...but... don't they hate our "freedoms"?
Gen. Smedley Butler : the patriot prophet.
I am amazed that anyone voluntarily joins the US military. Most regret the decision for the rest of their lives.
Q: Can you name the presidential candidate that raised the most $$$ from active military and their families?
A: Ron Paul
Interesting, hound dog, thanks. +1
hdv,
Ron Paul.....................and you know why, I am sure.
Because he believes in the Constitution, and staying out of foreign entanglements.
+1000
Peter Thiel is one of Ron Paul’s main advisors (read handler) and Mr. Thiel is a Bilderberger
http://www.nndb.com/people/030/00012465/Hitler had the same take on Russia. So did Napoleon.
Just tell me when it's on pay-per-view.. I got shit to do.
The analysis breaks down on one fundamental point - why would Israel want to start a war with Iran? Even if one wishes to subscribe to the dubitable theory that Israel engineered the 1967 war, there is still no logical reason for one to believe that Israel sees an advantage to fighting Iran. If Israel is bent on gaining territory then the place most amenable to Israeli rule would be southern Lebanon - and to start a war there would not require an aerial attack on Iran, fraught with so many hazards.
It seems pretty clear to me that the 2007 NIE has been entirely discredited by Iran's actions. Iran is having trouble even getting enough gasoline, and yet they keep pouring money in to their nuclear program; in fact, it appears that the entire Iranian economy is a wasteland - and still the money flows to nuclear research. The only possible reason for this - outside of a level of idiocy which would be classed as "drooling" - is because they are bent on obtaining nuclear weapons in the shortest possible time. To work on any other assumption is to completely ignore common sense.
While we here in the United States could possibly live with a nuclear-armed Iran, Israel can't. The Shahab-3 missile can reach Israel from Iran in less than 30 minutes from luanch. It is a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead (payload is 2,200 lbs; the weight of the US W-88 is <800 lbs - Iran's nukes will probably be heavier, but will still fit). It wouldn't take but half a dozen Iranian nukes to pretty much wipe out the State of Israel - even if the Iranians left Jerusalem alone. This is an existential threat to Israel's existence - it is natural that they'd seek some means of parrying the blow short of just massacring the Iranians after Israel is destroyed.
Right now, in Iran's gasoline shortage, we have the chance to change Iranian policy - now is not the time to take the Iranian side by pre-condemning possible Israeli action.
This was the same "logic" that got us into Iraq! WMD aimed at Israel! Big win for Israel.. shit sandwich for the USA.
BTW.. Pakistan is a Muslim country who definitetly has Nukes.. why aren't we being encouraged to nuke it? Or does that come later on Israel's puppeteering agenda?
Does Saudi Arabia see Pakistan as a threat to its existence?
The house of Saud sees it's Shia minority and it's poor Suni populations as it's real enemy. Same goes for a number of the Gulf states. Bahrain is 70% Shia yet they are treated like dogs by the minority Sunni who rule over them. The Shia will be the majority in Lebanon in 20 years.
What is going on are demographic shifts that will see the corrupt despots kept in power by the US and Britain swept away. There is nothing the US can do to stop this trend. Shia will become a major force in the region. The real question is if the west can place a wedge between Persian and Arab shia. The way it is going now the US is doing everything it can to alienate the Arab Shia pushing them toward Iran.
I was responding to the question "why aren't we being encouraged to nuke Pakistan since the have nukes, like Iran" (paraphrased). It is my understanding that Saudi Arabia is not afraid of a nuclear-armed Pakistan. It is my understanding that Saudi Arabia is afraid of a nuclear-armed Iran. That is the answer to "why aren't we ...".
If you have nuke (pakistan, NK) you don't get bombed or invaded. If you don't have nuke (Iraq, afghanistan) you get bombed. Iran doesn't have nuke. So they are bomb-able.
Simple.
+100
Saudi Arabia has grown nervous since they understood the dead end they pushed themselves in.
Pakistan is one of the nations that get them to be nervous because they are muslim.
An,
The Pakistani facilities need to be taken over..............the troops in Trashcanistan, need to be taking over the Pakistani Nuke sites.
( And the Paki's hate us also).
They are in SERIOUS jepoardy of being taken over by the Taliban.
This would NOT be in the US interest............( A war with India would be #1 on the list, both Nuke powers.)
There are still over a 100 suitcase nukes missing from the break up of the Soviet Union..............wonder where a few of those are?.
Oh, our interest in stopping Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons is strategic - it just would not be in our interests to have a major terror-sponsor hiding under a nuclear umbrella. We had that once before - it was called the USSR and it was the initiator of the modern use of terrorism as a political tool (look in to the origins of the PLO, the PFLP, the Bader-Meinhoff Gang, and others). Terrorists love a State they can use as a base - completely safe from US counter-measures as doing so risks a nuclear exhange. A nuclear-armed Iran is a tough nut to crack; better for us to not have it. And, given that we are Americans and thus subscribe to the self-evident truth that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, there is no objection anyone can make to our taking down Iran's nuclear program - under our system of belief, the Iranian government hasn't the right to issue a parking ticket, let alone build nuclear weapons. You don't have to subscribe to this belief, but its hard for anyone who calls himself an American to ignore it.
That said, Israel's concern is different from ours - an Iranian nuke is a terrible inconvenience for us; it is a matter of life and death for Israel. No Isreali in his right mind is going to be ok with people in Tehran who might believe their own messianic nonsense being in charge of nuclear weapons.
it was called the USSR and it was the initiator of the modern use of terrorism as a political tool (look in to the origins of the PLO, the PFLP, the Bader-Meinhoff Gang,
The Irgun and the Stern Gang were blowing up innocent people long before any of those groups existed. Remember the King David Hotel? Your superior attitude and lust for murder might come off better if you weren't so often wrong about simple historical facts.
If you're going to root for the deaths of Iranian citizens and American servicemen you'll need to work on those propaganda skills, comrade.
Better that we should root for the deaths of the Israeli's, yes?
Truth is, someone is going to die. It is that simple. History tells us that we cannot avoid that. All that is left is for us to decide who dies. What is the standard by which we make that decision?
History tells us many things, including that peace can be acheived without genocide.
Everyone is going to die... no decision here at all, without intervention from their enemies
Dr. Sandi,
You're dragging down the level of discourse a bit here. With a "glassy plain" in place of the middle east, what would become of the oil that is sustaining your life at the moment?
Wow, you're right. I AM dragging down the level of discourse. Let me get back on track.
DEATH TO IRAN. Death to the dogs who did those bad things to those people sometime back then.
Christ, what was I thinking when I dropped a little gallows humor into the Anti-Iran rant.
I fucking apologize to anybody that I might have offended by straying so far from the mindless hatred.
Death to Iran, Death to Iraq, Death to Afghanistan. Death to anybody else who stands in the way of the international conspiracy of money for death.
We now return you to your ongoing patterned discourse.
Truman screwed up in '48 when he recognized Israel, but he was playing to the Jewish vote. Now we're stuck with them so get used to it. No Israeli leader can allow an existential threat. If Iran develops a nuke, they will pose an existential threat to Israel. The outcome of an Israeli strike is potentially horrific. But not to strike could be the end to Israel. U.S. involvement in a war against Iran would be exponentially more costly than Iraq and Afghanistan and just as uncertain.
The same logic applies not only to Iran, but to Syria, Egypt, Turkey etc. There will never be an end to ISrael's call for preemptive strikes. As recently as last year I can recall watching on TV, Israel urging America to preemptively strike Syria with the same justification.
We have already struck Iraq ostensibly looking for WMD, supposedly aimed at Israel.
I don't buy this. Israel recently attracted a lot of criticism for its attack on the aid ship headed for Gaza. They have put themselves on a spot even more with the Lebanese border incident. Going further than this would actually confirm their enemies' accusations that they are an aggressor state who took their land by force. Who could support a state who unilaterally attacks another state without clear motives, any proofs or without being provoked? I mean, besides the US...
An attack by Israel would weaken their position even more and would actually help their opponents gather more sympathy. Without any hard proof that Iran does have nukes, Israel would launch itself into an adventure with a big unknown outcome and try to pull the US with it.
Well US went down this road not so long ago with WMDs in Iraq. And the shitty outcome is very well before our eyes.
"Sympathy" does NOT kill your enemies!
Yeah, well, it doesn't, but ......if Israel's attack would be seen as an act of unprovoked aggression, then Iran's answer will be seen as self-defense. That is, everything people or governments thought about Iran before would be largely forgotten in the new situation. The wolrd has already seen the IRaq-Bush-WMD scam and won't accept another one.
That means there will be more willing to side with Iran or even support them with weapons.
"I missed the memo.
Why does Israel geopolitics intrude so often into Tyler's stock market postings?"
Because this conflict will have no bearing on the markets or the price of oil at all. Then again all who penned this letter are anti semites. As a matter of fact, Abe Fatass of the ADL has now declared Zero Hedge an anti semitic blog and on the hit list now. All the Mega phonies will decend to junk all posts. Now move along.
The Anti Defamation League has now become the Defamation League.
"slavery is freedom"
"war is peace"
If there's a bustle in your hedge row, don't be alarmed now. It's just a Spring clean for the May Queen.
What will he find out there, doctor?
His destiny.
>>>He reads your reluctance even to mention in controversial bilateral issues publicly during his recent visit as affirmation that he is in the catbird seat in the relationship.<<<
I think this assumption that some people make about Israel being in control of the us and even the world must seem ironic to Netanyahu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwMs7IezXqc&feature=related
I think this assumption that some people make about Israel being in control of the us and even the world must seem ironic to Netanyahu
"I know what America is," Netanyahu said. "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way."
-- Binyamin Netanyahu
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/tricky-bibi-1.302053
Obviously he was wrong.
do me a favor and please stop trolling my posts. That is to say, please dont reply to my posts. Thank you.
Its checkmate. What are we going to do, stop oil exports to Iran and cause Depression V2 (which we are on the verge of anyway) ? Sorry, that move is off thanks to a 50 year addiction to that crap.
Is this about land or about islam. let's hear from an islamic cleric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgiMNrFkdA
His words not mine
Sarah Silverman would like to "fucking kill" Jesus. Her words not mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5S14Ci2GY8
Larry David pisses on Jesus!
Comedian Larry David is under attack from critics who say he pushed the mocking of religion and Christian belief in miracles over the edge in the latest episode of his HBO
series "Curb Your Enthusiasm," which the cable network defended as "playful." ( add your own thoughts here)
On the show's most recent installment, which aired Sunday, David urinates on a painting of Jesus Christ, causing a woman to believe the painting
depicts Jesus crying.
if you want to compare two things they should be the same thing or category; that is to say you should compare a cleric to a cleric, not some random bimbo. You make no sense otherwise and just annoy people.
Again, please stop trolling my posts. That is to say, please do not reply to my posts. Thank you.
Crock,
What do you expect from a carpet muncher.
So, If I wrote something that supported Obama, the integrity of the markets, Israel and BP, then I called out ZH as a bunch of conspiratorial cooks. That would be the neodymium strength junk magnet?? OK, JUNK ME.
Of course ZH is a bunch of conspiratorial cooks. We have the BEST recipe, and we own all the anti-semitic cookware.
Thank you so much. I just got Pepsi up my nose.
anti-semitic cookware
Yes, let's all cook meat in the same pan in which we cook dairy!
Booo fucking hooo... the poors Jews... Anti-semite... anti-semite... blah blah blah..
Care to comment on all the people Israhell had killed ?
Max,
IS it EVEN yet?.....
And, did they do anything to bring it on, or did they have their pussy asses hiding behind/in and around women and children while the chickenshit SOB's launch their rockets?.
So, they can drag a camera in front of them, calling them Murdered innocents.....if so, WHO were the murderer's?.
Izzy, or Hizbollah???
Intelligent individuals know the game.
What are you, a Christian Zionist moron or a garden variety Jewish Supremecist?
Sounds like a rant from Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin.
Well Uber, 'I guess that makes em EVEN huh?.
These guys don't haveto write a public memo to get the POTUS attention. They just have to talk to a few old buddies. This is propaganda, pure and simple.
The question to ask yourself is, why put this piece of propaganda out? Que bene?
It's clearly aimed at a certain middle eastern state's intelligence agency; sort of a friendly, "are you thinking about what you're doing? because you're misjudging American support."
And in that sense, it's also aimed at a certain set of American politicians and staff who filter what the President ever sees.
You know what I do not give a crap about the mideast anymore. As I have stated before there will always be war in the mideast,it is the land where war and conflict never dies. But if Israel wants to bomb Iran let them do it,but do not drag us along with them. We have given foreign menawhile we are a bankrupt empire with 13.2 trillion in debt,110 trillion in unfunded liabilties. Now the neo cons want us to bomb Iran while we are on the road to toal economic collapse? We have given foreign aid to Israel,Palestinan Authority,Jordan,Egypt,Pakistan,Lebanon,Turkey,Saudi Arabia,South Korea,Japan etc. If the Turks,Israelis,Arabs,and Persians want to destroy each other let em do it but with no US aid or help. Why the hell should go attack Iran while our souther border is wide open for paramilitary drug cartels?!! Makes no sense to me we have a shitload of problems but the stupid neo con "rapturing away,"Israel is Gods people,Palin suppoters,Glenn Beck zombie christians want us to fight another war while our state,cities,and counties are going bankrupt,while the recession is heading towards a depression,and 10-15 years away from a debt collapse? Let Israel settle its own problems we have very big problems at home to settle. Hey you neo cons you keep toutiong fiscal resposiblity rightly full so,but then you want more war spending,and another war. Does this make any sense? Stop watching Faux News,MSNBS,CNN(Crap News Network). Let em kill each other but we should not get involved,end the welfare and warfare state.
Sounds like the Ron Paul philosophy I like so much. Madeline was right about the Jews need to relocate. I suppose Germany can only get past its own Nation of Cowards when the have a Jewish Chanchellor? Slavery was forgiven and racism ended when we got Obama.
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I've heard Idaho mentioned as a possible homeland.
This thread is obscene.
It's like accidentally wandering in on a Bund meeting or a luncheon conference in Wannsee.
Hell, they are just warming up the seat. That stuff hitting the spinning fan blades in ever-increasing quantities has to come from somewhere...
This isn't an open letter to Obama. It's an open letter to Obama's puppet masters. That's why it distinctly points out the dangers to Israel itself by Netanyahu's risk taking.
For a nation which an undeclared nuclear power is threatening to preemptively wipe off the map, Iran seems remarkably restrained. Hope Obama heeds the VIPS's sage advice. With friends like Israel, who needs enemies?
will taxes in the US go down if Israel loses?
i love all the junks on these threads. tensions run high. Flag me zionist/anti-zionist bitchez! I can take it.
Sorry for the junk, but Morris D of the SPLC told me to do it.
tell, i followed your line of logic and junked you. now you wont feel left out.
If someone does strike, they need to put the weapons on target and do it right. They have a history of making raids and making it count.
It would be nice if Adm. Mullen of the US Joint Chiefs will allow the big boys to get out and play with a few big ones that might reach far enough downstairs to wipe out the stuff that Iran is trying to do.
I believe he has about 4 Submarines that were ex-boomers converted to carry a whole bunch of powerful missiles. Those 4 will be enough to trash hundreds of important targets all over Iran.
We sit around and worry long enough, one day Iran will strike Israel and require a response that will probably either be contained or spread as everyone else gets thier shots in.
The one thing no one is talking about seriously is the threat of gas pricing going through the roof should such a raid happen against Iran. We can withstand 10.00 gallon gasoline and have some stored for a month or more without using a gas station. Heck, my truck has enough to keep our car going for a few weeks to work and home.
This sort of war talk is almost like... tension that needs to be released and get it over with already.
There is a chance that Iran may put something together sufficient to damage or sink one of our 6000 man carriers outright. If that should happen.... we waited too long. And need to turn that land into a sea of glass.
Good luck, good hunting and God speed.
Now how to fix the oil?
Start by generating a bio fuel based on Algae or something and convert it to something that can be produced without taking away food acreage for crops.
Put solar panels on every single structure inside the USA. Then find a way to intergrate electric vehicles with gas engines to extend range. Maybe even have enough to export power and relieve the stress on household finances by farming electricity out of wind and sun right here at home. Imagine a Nation doing that.
We need to end our reliance on fuel oil for gasoline as transport. enough is enough. We have been through foot power, horse power, two stroke and steam power and eventually gasoline and desiel. At some point all that needs to go away into something else for the future.
But not with crappy little tiny cars that can fit into a pickup truck bed and can only drive 40 miles on broken concrete one time before requiring shop repairs. We need to do it proper.
Once we settle this for good, only then things will settle down when oil becomes less important. Say as important as ... Printer Ink ...
And for god's sake start building North East Corridors featuring Amtrack 150 mph trains connecting two or three major cities to each other all across the USA. With a bunch of smaller lines feeding them. Every other power such as Japan, France, England does it all the time. And they dont have half the shite that we waste in fixed time frame.
Interesting how no one talks about what might crawl out of the woodwork should Israel strike Iran. Last I read, the US is the country with the porous borders.
"Fucking Jews...the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." © Mel Gibson
I think he was on to something.
And so was former Malaysian Prime Minister Dr. Mohamad Mahathir-
" today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them "
oble,
And what religion does the Good Dr. follow?...................
And what religion does the Good Dr. follow?...................
EXACTLY. If I ever meet the old dictator I will ask him, "what is uniquely Malaysian about the name Mohamad Mahathir?"
today the Jews rule this world
That's a laugh. Do the jews control Indonesia? Do they control Malaysisa? Myannmar? China? Hong Kong? Vietnam? Maybe the jews control Kuwait? What about Brazil? Iceland?
Nobody takes the racist mahatir seriously around here, we are all waiting fof him to tick tock no more so we can all rest a little bit easier.
and i accidentally came across an accounting of how many countries kicked the jews out all during history. Seems few wanted to keep the guest that became a financial parasite. present host about to die...us!
+1000 as history tells all. Unless you own all the publishng of history. Never mind!
+1000 as history tells all. Unless you own all the publishng of history. Never mind!
Breaking, EuroNews: Ahmadinejad survives attack on convoy.
Interesting albeit disturbing. Could be one of the following:
1. Israel is behind this, but being shrewd they want to make it seem like a garage terrorist was responsible and not them, no way.
2. It realy is a homemade device made by a disgruntled citizen and is therefore an isolated event.
3. Ahmadinejad (or somebody from his team, unbeknownst or not to him) is being proactive what with the current tensions rising. A faux assassination attempt is conducted so as to cast Israel in a negative light and prevent a real surprise assassination.
The stakes are high so any one of those is possible.
Moon,
Yeah, it was a Black Cat Firecracker...............my nuts tell me Ackmajaggenoff is really a coward.
well u should be happy that if Israel attacks.....atleat ur American soldiers are not sent off to another useless war................though ur Dollars will always be playing a great role
No US soldiers in the region? Who will be patrolling the strait of Hormuz, do you think? Who will be exporting democracy to the liberated citizens of Iran?
Ramadan ends 9.9. with a holiday much like Christmas, could be then or around 1 week before to have enemy troops weakened enough by the fasting. Someone wanting psychological fingerpointing more towards US could delay it till 9/11...
This attitude might be part of the problem. Can you guess what Israeli "hero" said,
"Our race (speaking of the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferiot races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.
Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin."
DUMP ISRAEL BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Wow--do you have a source for that quote?
isra,
Link to that pls...pls not off Al Jazeera.
Israel-firsters are traitors to the US. Here's how they work on you at a local level:
http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2010/08/has-adl-brainwashed-your-local-police.html
The US is NOT in a position to involve herself in any further war.
This is NOT the same US that was capable and willing to fight. Sending thousands of troops into a massive and long conflict with limited chance of sustaining and winning is not an option.
'Nam was the last such effort. It will never happen again. If the internet had been around in the Fourties, nobody would have signed up to fight in Europe and D-Day wouldn't have happened.
After the dog & pony show that Colin Powell put on in front of the UN, to plead a case for war against then Saddam-Iraq, there is little trust left into anything the US can bring forward.
Persia is an ancient nation with a very high level of sophistication. It hit a rough patch when a certain Ayatollah came back from exile. Who supplied the training and funding is what matters.
The US is no benchmark at all when it comes to discussing nations, civilizations or cultures.
Hollywood, Walmart, financial fraud and massive 24/7 propaganda to keep the people stupid. I'm not the only one here suggesting the US and American un-culture have hit a brick wall.
walk,
We won't involve, we will just do the long range bombing..........we have the JDAMS, and that's what it will take to reach the heavily reinforced Nuke plants, and building facilities.
No U S Troops will set foot in IRAN.
you are absolutely right but let's face it all the last wars since korea nobody in the us wanted but the wars happened anyway. the difference now is that the us is broke. every great empire collapsed at the peak of its military power, isnt that what they say? the crazy thing about the us empire is they always choose to fight wars in mountainous countries with thousands of kilometers of borders along hostile countries who aid in the war against the us. the us is good at going in and bombing but they cannot hold the ground. its beyond me why they keep doing it so it must be correct that its just for the money to be made from the war itself. but it does not seem to be paying off; at least not for the american people.
And with that, lets call it a wrap. Great show.
There are certainly a lot of details like that to take into consideration.I read and understand the entire article and I really enjoyed it to be honest.
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