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Where Have All The Zero Hedge Veterans Gone, Long Time Passing?

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Where Have All The Zero Hedge Veterans Gone, Long Time Passing?

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Cognitive Dissonance

 

Imagine if you will for just a few moments that we reside within a small town in America or Europe or anywhere else in the world for that matter. The physical location isn’t important because we’re talking about a virtual world. Our community consists of several thousand residents of mixed race, creed and color and we are united mostly by our desire to hear and speak truth in a world nearly devoid of it. Many of us have been looking for exactly this type of safe haven for a very long time and can scarcely believe our eyes when we first stumble in from the wasteland.

In so many ways our little town is our cherished refuge from a world gone mad with corrupt central governments bent on exploitation and self destruction. Rarely does a day go by when we don’t leave our cozy homes to visit the town square and discuss the founder’s latest observations as well as the day’s news and events. Often we speculate on what’s coming round the bend and even catch up with a few old friends now and then. Home is where the heart is and for many of us home is Zero Hedge.

Most of our fellow residents are known to us by sight and nickname, but only a few do we know well enough that we would expose ourselves on a personal level and engage in a lengthy and sometimes deeply heartfelt conversation. Conversations I might add that are normally reserved only for those we truly trust in the “real” world. And yet amazingly these discussions are conducted out in the open and in full view of the world, virtual or otherwise.

But aside from these few friends the rest of the inhabitants living in our community are considered casual acquaintances or workplace friends, someone we know well enough to discuss local and national politics or even economics, but not much else. That doesn’t mean we don’t love our town and our neighbors because deep down we all share a special bond. We are all on the vanguard of truth speaking and for many of us this is a novel experience. On the surface we are very secretive yet surprisingly quite open. Zero Hedge is uniquely different by design.

 

Home is where the castle is.


 

Of course, there’s a very good reason why our community is constructed in this unusual manner. A shield of invisibility separates you and me from everyone else, a barricade of anonymity that was intentionally erected to provide a sense of safety and security for all, mainly because our community is surrounded by hostile and often unseen forces. The anonymity was and is designed to shield everyone in such a way as to enable frank and open conversations that would otherwise be stifled if conducted out in the open and among the antagonistic.

And for the most part the community’s design has been a rousing success, particularly for the founder Tyler Durden and the rest of the fight club core who regularly use the town square as a bully pulpit to speak truth to power. The group’s anonymity forces those who would attack Tyler in order to restrain or bury free speech by way of ad hominem smears and personality bashing to either ignore Tyler’s message or confront it using verifiable facts and logical argument.

In general the community has grown rapidly as both veterans, who were here when the first cornerstones were laid, and later arrivals cheer on the daily disclosures and running commentary. Speaking truth to power has never been so satisfying while still tinged with some inner fear. In some ways Zero Hedge has become our confidant, our mentor, our analyst and our sanity. Personally I consider it my own Radio Free Zero Hedge, a beacon shining bright during these increasingly dark nights.

But some of our veterans have been stealing off into the night with barely a whispered farewell or even a quick explanation for their disappearance. Unfortunately this is where the community’s anonymity works against us. Other than the few occasions where residents have willingly dropped their masks and now conduct private conversations outside the confines of the community, there is very little discourse among the residents other than what is conducted within the town square. Thus there is no effective way of discovering where all our missing veterans have gone.

 

Something's Missing

 

So in some respects our town is missing a part of its heart and soul, that intangible something that brings together divergent parts to create a living breathing community. While Tyler Durden is without question the voice and creator of Zero Hedge the activist and truth speaker, we the residents know remarkably little about our own community. Our town recently celebrated its two year anniversary and while there was much to cheer, I for one have been feeling for some time that something important is missing.

While every blog has its own personality and feel, over the course of time the readers generally get to know quite a bit about the blogs founder through editorials and conversation. The creator’s initially thin voice is slowly filled in with deeper tones and tenor and the body is fleshed out with substance and color. The voice becomes a personality, then for some it becomes a friend.

While Tyler renders an opinion within the text of nearly every one of his postings, his opinion is nearly always limited to the subject matter at hand and rarely do we get to glimpse even a snippet of Tyler the person. Most likely this is done because he wishes to remain totally anonymous and considering the explosive nature of some of his disclosures, I can’t say I blame him one iota. But this does leave a vacuum of sorts within the fabric of the community and so the herd will naturally seek its own substitute.

In contrarian communities such as ours where we’re all bucking the trend and swimming against the tide, there is often great emotion bubbling just beneath the surface. Our town isn’t just a financial blog; it’s a calling, a movement, an event, the place to go where contrarian views aren’t the exception but the norm. While Zero Hedge started out as an obscure hangout for financial nerds and wonks it quickly morphed into a place of inspiration and refuge. Along the way some of the residents have developed small followings or even minor cults, becoming community leaders plucked from the crowd by natural selection.

While some of these personalities are relatively new, several have been with Zero Hedge since the beginning. And many are now gone, missing in action, A.W.O.L. I don’t wish to imply that there’s skullduggery or grand mystery behind the disappearance of our veterans. After careful thought I think it’s something simpler, reasons that revolve around what Zero Hedge was and what it has now become. And ultimately something else that is well beyond the control or influence of this blog and which is beginning to spread within the general population.

While I’m in occasional email contact with two of the missing veterans, for the most part I have no direct knowledge of the reasons for their absence, only my supposition and gut instinct. Of the two I talk to on occasion, their reasons for leaving are obviously deeply personal and I won’t pry. But after recently flirting with the idea of leaving Zero Hedge myself, I believe I may have some insight into why some leave and come back while others leave and never look back. Let me try to explain what I think is happening.

 

Time Warp

 

At times it appears as if Zero Hedge resides within a time warp or rift. Tyler and company produce such a blinding stream of posts that often it’s difficult to remember what was discussed yesterday let along last week, month or year. Because of this linear rush of time, rarely do we sit back and consider what Zero Hedge was, only what it is now. This is one of the missing pieces I mentioned earlier, the critical element of perspective and history from the residents point of view that’s not part of the mix.

All communities have a sense of history and continuity which acts as a binding agent, tying the past to the present and which the residents take with them as they walk into the future. This is done with a combination of books, oral histories, community days and events, impromptu gatherings of friends over beers and so on. During times of community stress, it is this history as a group that is relied upon to sooth rattled nerves and smooth out life’s bumps and bruises.  

While there is most certainly a singleness of purpose and deed within Zero Hedge, it is primarily Tyler’s show along with the occasional penetrating contributor. For the community at large, we are mostly spectators and hanger-on’s with varied opinions and sharpened elbows. While many are satisfied with the Rugby style discourse, I sense in others a desire for a deeper connection, a more intimate and friendly environment, reminiscent of the old Zero Hedge town square when the veterans ruled the roost.

Many of our lost veterans provided breadth and depth to our conversations as well as a big picture perspective when shouting, hysteria or trolls threatened to overwhelm. While each had his or her unique idiosyncrasies and ideology, nearly all had a strong sense of ownership and protective custody. How many times did we hear a veteran declare “Don’t mess with Zero Hedge because if you do you’re messing with me”? Newbie’s that wandered in from the cold and immediately started whipping their shtick around were quickly slapped side the head and sent to the back of the bus for remedial education.

Like that strong willed but kind uncle who visited during the holidays and whose presence moved the room, our veterans were an important part of the internal control mechanism that all unorganized groups develop as a matter of instinct and survival. Natural leaders emerge and are respected not just for their inherent authority, but because of their common sense approach and fairness even to those they oppose. Thus form and function develops out of chaos and the community coalesces. What was once random noise and movement becomes coherent and comprehensible.

 

Tyler

 

While Tyler has always been the booming voice of Zeus bellowing from atop the Zero Hedge mount, Tyler for the most part is content to let his postings, opinions and biting tongue find their mark. But back when the veterans roamed the land there was another strong presence that is now sadly missing as well. Marla Singer was our Athena or Themis, the community’s Goddess of order, civility and decorum. At your own peril did you mess with Mother Nature for with the flick of her sharp tongue serial transgressors were quickly removed from The Hedge.

Marla wasn’t malevolent, vindictive or even egotistic, thought it was obvious we were dealing with an opinionated intellect that could swallow most of us whole in one single bite. What contributed to her presence and gave her natural authority was her capacity to be playful, self deprecating and wonderfully witty. Her late nights spinning tunes on Radio Zero or her presence in chat did more than anything else to build our budding community identity. None the less, after ample warnings and prods from her big stick, she didn’t suffer fools well and many repeat troublemakers were quickly kicked.

This was a stabilizing force that was the implicit bite behind the veterans bark and thus our small community continued to grow with vigor in part because the roads were swept clean at night. This doesn’t mean Zero Hedge stifled creative thought or energetic disagreement. On the contrary, because the residents knew that well reasoned and logical arguments would be fairly aired while disruptors and airheads would be muffled, Zero Hedge quickly became known as the place to come for thoughtful discourse and stimulating against-the-grain ideas. 

We sometimes forget how radical Zero Hedge was perceived as being back in the day. Early on in its development concepts such as manipulated precious metal markets, stealth Fed pumping or the Plunge Protection Team, all factual reality that had been tirelessly trumpeted for years by a small cadre of truth speakers, were laughed at outside the contrarian community as the ranting of the delusional.

Then Zero Hedge and other dedicated blogs and alternative media sites joined together in singing the song, adding their considerable weight and influence to these issues and pushing them to the front of the news cycle. What was formerly verboten is now accepted even by the mainstream media as a given and an integral part of the overall black matrix.

 

Chnage

 

So where have all the veterans gone, long time passing? Why would they leave when we’re beginning to lever open some locked doors and we’re breaking through the wall of lies? The most obvious reason is that the community has changed and, at least in the eyes of some of the veterans who have left, for the worse. There is little doubt that change has occurred though much of it is a function of growth and popularity and thus just a fact of life. If you’re selling something that’s in demand, in this case financial and political truth, you’re going to suffer growing pains as you scale up to fill the vacuum.

But the civility and camaraderie, the sense of ownership and protective custody that I talked about earlier, is now missing or at least greatly diminished. While Tyler specially and Zero Hedge in general have always told us that they have no obligation to moderate the comment section, the presence of Marla in the early days acted as a de facto moderator creating an artificial environment that as it turned out wasn’t sustained. As Marla slowly withdrew from active participation, civility and order withdrew as well to the point where today obvious and self described trolls and disruptors have taken up permanent residence within what was formerly considered safe territory.   

However I don’t think this alone was enough to disenfranchise all the missing veterans though I sure it was for some. There appears to be another more important and seldom discussed dynamic at play here that works hand in hand with the community changes and which the blog is not responsible for in the least. What is rarely discussed within the contrarian community in general and among the truth speakers in particular is a concept or phenomenon that I call truth speaker’s fatigue.

 

Utter Exhaustion

 

Similar to disaster charitable giving fatigue, truth speakers fatigue is at its core about lost hope and belief. The person afflicted often feels that after investing considerable emotional and intellectual capital, little or no headway has been made and the methods used appear to be useless. Since the initial effort was driven almost exclusively by emotional adrenaline and with little thought to specific strategy and measurable outcomes, it is easy to lose momentum after several perceived defeats, emphasis on perceived.

As I said earlier, many of us have been wandering the wilderness for years recognizing something was terribly wrong, but not knowing specifically what was wrong let alone how to deal with it. Suddenly we find Zero Hedge and are infused with a sense of hope and belief. We come to believe that because we are surrounded by like minded individuals and are stronger as a group we might finally be effective and become a force to be reckoned with. Maybe, just maybe we can really make a difference and slow down or even stop the insanity.

Becoming involved with speaking truth openly and repeatedly, particularly if it’s our first time, can be a powerful and intoxicating elixir which often leads to flights of unrealistic expectations and unreasonable goals. I speak as one of experience, having drunk heavily from the cup on a few occasions. One is infused with a sense of power and destiny after seeing that many of man’s problems can easily be rectified by clear thinking, honesty and awareness. What we fail to fully grasp early on is that we come by this knowledge via desperation and a sincere desire to stop our own internal pain and suffering.

While our intent is genuine and heartfelt, over time and after repeated disappointments that our disclosers are making little headway, we slowly come to the realization that not only are there many powerful forces trying to bury the truth, but that those who would most directly benefit from the truth, our fellow sufferers, are among the most difficult to shake awake. This is the cut that is the deepest of them all, the ugly realization that they simply aren’t ready to sever the ties that bind themselves to their own misery. 

Ties that Bind

 

This understanding is similar to waking one day and realizing deep within your soul that you married the person next to you for all the wrong reasons and that now it is over and never really was. Or that after many years of climbing the corporate ladder, you suddenly realize no happiness or fulfillment will ever be found where you just spent half your life working. Faced with the realization that little progress has been made in breaking through the never ending lies and finding themselves emotionally spent to boot, I suspect several veterans simply gave up and faded back into the black abyss.

Similar to the turmoil of a midlife crisis, a few may never recover from this devastating loss of faith and will wander aimlessly and without purpose, discarding first their career, then their family and finally themselves. Others try desperately to reinsert themselves back into the Matrix, swallowing again and again every blue pill within reach in a hopeless and ultimately futile quest for the blessed ability to just forget. Still others will sink into abject apathy as a form of emotional self protection.   

And then there are those who after much soul searching and anguished debate come to understand that the problem isn’t really out there but rather within. After two or three internal renegotiations and subsequent scaling back of expectations that always lead to additional failure, we come face to face with the second ugly truth, that it is our ego we are wrestling with, that we could not save even ourselves let alone the world.

It was our pain that led us to seek truth and it was our pain we wish removed by spreading the truth. While we expressed the desire to make the world better, it was ultimately for our own benefit that we wished it rebuilt. As with the unloved spouse or unfulfilled career, we were laboring for all the wrong reasons and thus futilely spinning our wheels.

 

Revelation

 

If this shocking revelation can be internalized and then accepted, only then do we begin the next phase of our journey of truth, one where the reason and intent for our action is now squarely aligned with our expectations. We now know that we are here only to work on ourselves. If by chance others happen by and grab onto the life raft we now occupy, this is a wonderful bonus but not by intent or design.

Now properly sized for the next leg of our journey and thoroughly busy digging deeper within, we discover one of the ultimately liberating truths. Whereas before when attempting to spread awareness and awakening, in the eyes of those still sleeping we appeared frightening and threatening. All we really had to offer was the opportunity for them to witness their own pain and suffering without the benefit of a numbing agent or self administered anesthesia, hardly an attractive package even when it is offered for free.

Now that we are engaged in traveling our own path of self centering and discovery, first of ourselves and then our place in the world, involuntarily and unconsciously we begin to exude strength and confidence. Suddenly we become an attractor, an example of what can be. Now we have substance to offer others which leads to greater happiness and inner peace. Since we are no longer forcing anything upon others, but instead we now own and wear what everyone else desires, now we are seen as valuable and attractive. This inner knowing cannot be taught or passed on, only found within and then tried on. 

If at this point we choose to pick back up the truth speaking baton we quickly find that we are vastly more effective. While the necessity to overcome the lies is still there, we no longer project a sense of urgency or even desperation that was present before and which the sleep walkers sensed both consciously and unconsciously. Whereas before we were perceived to be a threat to their apathy and feigned indifference now the sleep walker senses our inner calm and stability while hearing the same information as before.

With their internal barrier to what we are saying now softened or even withdrawn, we have a more receptive audience rather than defensive or even hostile. While this alone doesn’t mean they will actually awaken, it does mean the seed has been planted in a more fertile and hospitable environment. Just as you and I needed repeated exposure to the truth before we began to wake from the dream, so will they. But now the process has started and the bridge to awareness is at least in sight.

 

Misty Bridge 2

 

I don’t know if any of the missing veterans, or anyone else on Zero Hedge for that matter, has left under the circumstances I just described. But firsthand experience working with others in various truth movements, along with conversations with friends who are walking similar paths, tells me that I’m most likely close to the truth with at least a few. If we could question our missing veterans as to why they are no longer around, I suspect each would have specific reasons for their departures. And while on the surface I’m certain all their reasons may be valid, we all tell ourselves stories in order to bury the bitter and unspeakable truth.

Does any of what I have written ring true with you or can you indentify with any part of this essay? I read the comment section of Zero Hedge on a daily basis and from my perspective there are many residents who are walking wounded and who are depressed and in denial about it. I have come to understand that any pain I may be feeling is a loud and clear signal that something’s wrong and that I need to change direction. My pain is not to be avoided but rather respected for what it is, a message that I’m not sized right and that I need to refocus within.

Ultimately we are ineffective in any endeavor we may engage in and we might even be damaging to ourselves and those around us if we are in pain and in denial about our need for treatment. This would be all too obvious if our legs were broken, but for some reason it’s completely lost on us if we are spiritually broken. Ultimately in order to heal it doesn’t matter where you’ve been or where you are now. A wise man once told me that what’s important in life isn’t so much that you’re on the correct path, but rather if deep down inside you there’s a desire to be on the correct path. Once the student is ready, the teacher will always appear. The search for answers always begins within.

 

Cognitive Dissonance

01-24-2011

 

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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:30 | 900338 SheepDog-One
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Own it!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:28 | 900327 JW n FL
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if you like that... you would love a 417... trust me.. the fact that you are stuck on H & K means? good taste or service in some meaningful way? just askin, if you cant say I wont be mad.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:47 | 900405 topcallingtroll
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You know.he is.probably.righht but if i were going to arm a group.of people with main battle rifles i would still go with the fal 308

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:35 | 901092 JW n FL
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how many languages.. and how many continents?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:37 | 901307 Calmyourself
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Ha, Buy me a beer..

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:39 | 902050 JW n FL
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there are no girls in this fight club... that i am talking about.

as for outside services, more women are trained killers than men, simply I can get a woman in the room with the man.. in 99% of the cases. where as a man only gets in 1%. thru use of charm.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:26 | 900802 Calmyourself
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Gas tube is a failing no way around it..  Trust me HK-91 heavy but always works swallows anything found and yanks out anything with the fluted chamber..  Good thoughts all.. This place is a shark tank.. new guys have to swim with the sharks..

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:46 | 900141 Pee Wee
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Interesting, the same key-pseudonym disappearance phenomenon is being noted in other blogs as well.

Reticular activation?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:42 | 900135 gaoptimize
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Too busy prepping for SHTF?  At a certain point, once you know what is going to happen and you have all your assets in PMs, farmland, and other preps, it is actually a sign of maturity to stop rubbernecking the economic train wreck, keep eyes ahead and drive by at the speed limit.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:42 | 901113 Bringin It
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I agree.  Eventually, after understanding and accepting the situation and making adjustments, it's time to move on with the new life.  The specifics of the train-wrecking start to become the sound and fury signifying ...

I mean if you think the Bernark can save humanity, stay tuned and watch him pull it off.  Otherwise move on.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:34 | 901085 JW n FL
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whos not ready?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:33 | 900349 andybev01
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Thank you, I couldn't come up with something as succinct yet spot-on as that.

An engineering manager I worked with had a sign on his office wall that read:

"Eventually you have to shoot the engineer and start the project."

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:42 | 900133 egdeh orez
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The Blue Pill.  Sometimes, I wonder whether it's better to swallow it.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:10 | 900737 JW n FL
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I think another issue is the age gaps... the quality of the old timers lacks the venom some of the younger members are seeking..

Blue Pill... I know what that means, but alot of the other older guys.. have no idea.. the Matrix Movies are about fighting a corupt system. here watch this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps

 

and this one.. mainly will get you older fucking idiots up to speed with the mid age crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXQozTxQSiE&feature=related

younger crowd.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCB8TBrVayI

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:48 | 900878 gmrpeabody
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I'd give your left nut for an "ignore" button.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:24 | 901048 Lord Koos
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+1

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:34 | 901084 JW n FL
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I offered above to smack the taste out of your bitch mouth any time you wanna meet pussy.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:30 | 917018 Dr. Sandi
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I offered above to smack the taste out of your bitch mouth any time you wanna meet pussy.

If I wanna meet pussy, I don't have to go all the way to FL.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:43 | 900131 etrader
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I also miss the  "notes" ZH used to post  from EWI, Faber, Morgan, Goldman, Barcap, RBS to name a few..

With all the mischievous undertones,  that went with it.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:20 | 900293 impending doom
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Don't forget Marla; her acid tongue is sorely missing.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:35 | 901090 Bringin It
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Marla rightly faded away after she tried to laugh off the executions on the Marvi Marmara.

And CD timely topic.  The comments are not what they used to be.

My explantation is that the trolls have brought their game up.

 

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 21:25 | 918975 Optimusprime
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+++++ On your first sentence.  And for all his efforts at insight, CD managed to miss this.  

 

Things change.  Except when they don't.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:56 | 900194 Ratscam
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WGT, Webster Griffin Tarpley, just made a comment last month.

The only constant is change someone has once guessed.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:42 | 900130 JW n FL
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I offered to tone myself down.. but in the end this is fight club.

The little people who come here, need to see.. Need to understand.

Most of whom you speak were professional writers, which does not translate well to the masses.. Thusly the popularity once held by those well educated, well spoken few.. Disappeared.

but what is truly more important? Educating the ignorant, or topical, high brow, well written commentary?

I wish they all would return, but the markets are on fire... and some people are working. 1% gain today!

I have always read what you have written, I believe you to be a better cut than most.. Frankly.. But we need the new blood more than the same ole' same ole'.. and palatable and / or sex a violence sells... whatever works! to educate as many as possible so that fight club can grow until there is no one standing that is not a member or ex-informed member who knows to check in.

Make war not love!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SNqwjdhY_Y&feature= 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:16 | 901008 Lord Koos
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This is NOT fight club, it's the fucking internet.  No one here running their mouths  in the comments area has to face consequences of their remarks.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:32 | 901072 JW n FL
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where you want to meet Lord?

me... 6 foot 6 inch 340lbs... trained fighter...

or, as is intended discussion... verbal battle with the best ideas making a difference in peoples lives?

you pick fucker, everyone here knows who the fuck I am... I am no fucking anon.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:49 | 917014 Dr. Sandi
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Often, the signal to noise ratio is so low here that it's damned lucky this thing's digital. Otherwise, nothing would get through at all.

The constant stream of self-aggrandizing bullshit here wears me down, and I'm just a fly buzzing around the room.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:43 | 933344 saulysw
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Your posts almost always make me laugh...I look out for them.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 21:45 | 933343 saulysw
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dupe.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:12 | 901219 Village Idiot
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You gave the guy a choice.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:18 | 900286 topcallingtroll
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And this is where the heart of the issue lies. Zero hedge is being tugged in one direction by those who want to spread the true religion and in the other direction by those who wish to see more.sophistticated data analysis. Fortunately i.enjoy.a little.gloom and doom and.gun talk occasionally. That was a typo jw when i said m14. Substitute m 16 every place i said m14 because i almost always use m1a when i reference the m14! Im sure.my post was confusing when i said the m14 was prone to jamming!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:48 | 900408 JW n FL
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m-16a1? a2? v. a stoner .308.. both in the early years failed, miserably.. says the history books for I was not yet born.. but the gas impingment system has killed more than a few people with ak's to be clear. and as a matter of historical fact.. still does in theatre. m-4 BCM http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/AR15_BCM_Carbine_Rifle_M4_M16_CAR_16_s/30.htm

milspec.

as for myself.. becuase of family ties, the H and K.. is and will always be my only gun of choice.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:48 | 900407 impending doom
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Damnit man, so far everything you post is nonsense and then you sprinkle firearms truth on top making me wonder about your financial advice...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:49 | 900413 JW n FL
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sorry. Pussy. need some midol?

Tue, 02/01/2011 - 18:25 | 925420 impending doom
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Classy as always JW. But since I live in Fl too, I realize that class here is practically non-existant.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:18 | 900284 dumpster
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The little people who come here, 

 

big egos and little else,, the little people fizz in a ocean swimming with large pretentious bigs,,  thinking that hitting the ball with a large sludge hammer makes them babe Ruth,  the ball in this case morphs into little else but talk.

and self important glances in the mirror to see if any one gives a shift   

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:42 | 900383 DoChenRollingBearing
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The Bearing is real glad that you are still with us dumpster.  You have a very visual way of describing much of what I see here, but in a very different way.

Don't leave us...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:00 | 900463 Montecarlo
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I've been here all along, but watch from the sidelines, since the fight wear me out.  I'm spending my energy working on solutions.  I too miss some of our wisest members... Thanks for sticking around CD.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:19 | 900553 pslater
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I agree, thanks CD.  Your piece hit quite a few nerves with me and reflected the main reason I left Seeking Alpha - too many trolls.  Civility and rational discourse regarding issues of importance is what makes the dissemination of knowledge.

I have learned much here in the more than a year that I've frequented this site.  Thanks to all (especially Tyler!).

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:29 | 900319 JW n FL
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correction on my touchy feely diatribe for dumpster...

I should have said people with a small, pedestrian and / or limited view of the facts. not "little people".. my bad! we good or do you want to swing it out?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:44 | 900394 topcallingtroll
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Fight fight! Thats why i like you jw. You are one entertaining gloom.and doomer with.some really good info at times.when you arent urging crazies to spray!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:50 | 900420 JW n FL
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making the FED's read zero hedge is better than them surfing porn all day for fun.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:37 | 900124 sporb
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The comments were more interesting when there was more discussion and less "zealotry"

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:11 | 900259 topcallingtroll
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Well said troll!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:37 | 900121 BobPaulson
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I made a bit of a comment on this topic a while back, though I don't think it was quite as verbose ...  :)

 

The commons is the commons and we have to be realistic about the natural evolution of things. If there is a blog where everybody is hiding though, where is it?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:15 | 901011 juangrande
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Bye!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:59 | 900460 blindfaith
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This rambling post is enough itself for one to leave ZH.

Well, newstreet...don't let the door hit you in the ***.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:19 | 901248 bigkahuna
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*** where the good Lord split ya'

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:59 | 900207 JW n FL
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I junked you...

but to be clear I was laughing the whole time..

just trying to be supportive of CD I dont want him to leave.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:01 | 900221 Cognitive Dissonance
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Don't worry, I'm sticking around. Inflicting so much pain on you guys is too much fun. :>)

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