China: When you build roads so fast, sometimes you never know what you may run into at the end of the road. A very short story for your Sunday reading.
My take on views expressed by Jim Rogers at a BBN interview on Mar. 18 about the recent currency and trade confrontation between the US and China, the Canadian loonie and the U.S. bond market.
so cheap, used the paper once but didn't like that kind of tree pulp. remove before smoking. see the boyz used the tampon container for rockets us clicks to get high. funny
by Edna R. Rider on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:25 #208692
I have a slightly different point of view than most people. I love the device. I'll buy it. It's a great platform for software applications for those of us who aren't at a desk all day. I can stick it in my truck, do task x, record what I did, send an email, do task y, etc. Can't do that with a Kindle, kind of a hassle with an iPhone (I know), and carrying a laptop is pointless esp since things get spilled on it and the overhead is way too much for simple stuff. So in general I think it's perfect, but I'm not sitting at a Starbucks all day trying to look cool.
So what's your Apple employee number? Seriously, how do you love a device that's barely released? I have a netbook that I paid 180 dollars for that can do anything this can and more.
Might be a very cool device/piece of hardware. I enjoyed the iPhone until I bought a house that had very limited ATT coverage and that is in a densely populated urban environment. The ATT network is overloaded with iPhone users right now and can't handle the load. Leads to dropped calls, poor service.
iPad(or iPon as some call it) will further stress the ATT network. Apple shut out Verizon from coverage. Not smart. The device will fail due to the network it is on, but will probably be a great device for a niche (as you've referenced).
I have sort of the same problem with the iphone wireless phone coverage. I've been thinink of getting one of those home hotspots. Agree AT+T will have its work cut out for it if they think there going to support all the bandwith this will suck up.
I'm stalking this thing as we speak. Could go down a lot more. The gut says that is coming for a while, unwinding or backroom deals, whatever. I'm a bit of a newbie, I have white knuckles but a strong hand. I don't have a truck to back up, but me gots a trunk!!! The question is how low does this dip go... This feels so volatile.
The banking industry is going to go malicious on UK very soon. They think it's all broken up and consolidated and ready to put the pain on.
You're doing pretty good. You have to see how it all works together. The 3rd world and parts of the communist blocks are acting as the purely strong hand suppressive force. The system works on counterfeiting so it acts like a relief valve. Whatever negative pressure the US is able to build is simply counterfeited mixed up and laid on thier heads. The UK acts as a hinge in the whole deal. They work at midpoint in suppression/freedom thing. It's very suppressive society it's working at pretty close to max capacity because of the inability to control the sudden and rapid flareups between the close proximity of all the various countries.
Anyway I'm trying to map it all out but here's the crap going down in UK.
I think this squeeze is going to flare some bad reactions as it pisses off greece, ireland, and germany all in different ways based on different deep seated historical perspectives. Attempts to turn the nihilistic energy into a diffused reversed I win game are probably going to start ripping apart at the seems.
What I want to know is, who's going to buy an iPad instead of an iPod touch or a Macbook/iMac? Not only is the iPad an over-sized iPhone, it seems like the greater risk is the iPad cannibalizing Apple's other, higher margin, product lines, and materially so.
iPlotz
no flash, only app store app, not a computer, more than a kindle,
giant iphone, less than everything else.
how does it replace a netbook really with same or smaller screen size resolution? tired of netbook bashing...put 2 gigs of ram in one blows away most desktops
touch screen keypad yuck, oh yah gaming...without flash, non- connectable without adapter to most of universe, ATT double yuch.
Apple distinguished being first company to suffer from monopoly of itself...
definitely niche market (LOL) i x pad a small ugly universe
ugly rectangle with rounded ugly corners...style now subtracted from an apple product...what does that leave but aluminum and glass starting at $500 bucks? own chip interesting but not to buy.
Will an iPhone user have to add another data plan to access the AT&T network on the iPad?
Either way, assume a data plan costs an addition $30/month. That's $360/year. Add that to the cheapest non-3G version and you're looking at spending at least $860 for your first year using this thing.
Yes it's functional, yes it's the future, but is it worth 4 times the cost of a Kindle?
by ChickenTeriyakiBoy on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:06 #208757
the scale of the thing is comical to the point of being absurd. really in the promo video it looks like a mini steve jobs holding an iphone. nevertheless it's pretty cool and i'd like to have one
by hound dog vigilante on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:15 #208763
"...nevertheless it's pretty cool and i'd like to have one..."
doesn't sound like you're thilled about spending more $$ on a redundant device. that's the difference between mass appeal and niche appeal. The kindle is a flop, and the iPad will be slightly less of a flop.
the iPhone and iPod are the thoroughbreds in apple's stable. iPad is an 'also ran', not a 'winner'.
No. I'll wait for later version if I do buy one. The current undesireables are:
a) slow internet likely on current cell services
b) no multitasking (multiple apps at once)
c) no ports for peripherals
d) OS is limited
e) i'd like to see how durable it is, see what track record it gets over first year or so
f) no phone service (thing looks like an iphone, might as well have phone capabilities with an earpiece)
Basically, it looks like a very nice toy, but I'll save the cash for later, better versions (or alternatives). For now I'll spend half that on a netbook now and maintain full OS functionality.
How did that name get past -any- marketing department?
This is one Apple product where the reasonable rumors turned out to far outperform the klunker they delivered. A camera for teleconferencing would've been a killer app. A built-in FM tuner and HDTV tuner would've been killer apps. But neither? I mean, come on, the measly iPod Nano has a camera AND an FM tuner!!!
It was painful to watch Steve Jobs use hyperbole to describe this. The most important product he's ever done?
I have a PC and a Mac and the PC is superior as far as productivity goes. However, my iPhone is indespensable. So I was pretty excited about this, but ultimately a big disappointment.
My hope is that todays show was a ruse to get the media of his arse, so he can develop a truly marketable product.
Oh iPad, how thee has tarnished my view of Apple and Mr. Jobs!
I'd have to say he's right on all counts. Furthermore: "10 hours of battery life" translates to 4 hours actual use, which means charging 1 x day, which in turn means 1-3 years battery life. Naturally the battery is not replaceable. Some geeks will figure that out, but it will be tough.
If you're interested in "Hardware accelerated effects", I've got a bridge you might be interested in...
At this point the only thing Apple has going for it is "aesthetics" (translation: "cult following").
Apple is a software shop. They don't make hardware. Never have.
Wrong.
"Apple's bought itself a chip company, P.A. Semi, that could make chips for future iPods and iPhones. The company was founded by Dan Dobberpuhl, lead designer of Alpha chips, who last year announced a 64-bit dual core processor that is said to be about 300% more efficient than the nearest competition, using only 5 to 13 watts at 2GHz.
Products using the chips won't arrive for a year, at least, but we can assume that Apple wouldn't spend $278 million without some plans to use 'em soon as it made sense, and I'm sure Intel and ARM aren't stoked. The negotiations, which finished recently, took place in The Steve's home. Owning its own chip design is an interesting move. While the iPhone's had a lot of off the shelf componentry, it makes sense that working on its own internal hardware could yield better devices. "
I found that couple hours after I posted. Research it deeper. That chip is umm something not quite right about it. Like it should have died but it keeps finding faith reserve fuel tanks. Its supposed to work but won't.
Apple may just be the last sucker buyer of it. it's definitely not the first.
I'm a Mac user. I like Mac OS X because I'm a UNIX nerd, and it's a nice UNIX system in many ways. The iPad? I'll guess it goes the way of the Cube and the Newton, barring some really spectacular changes (Can't access the battery without disassembly? What's up with that?). Innovative product, but really searching for a raison d'etre, and just plain common sense in certain respects. If it were hermetically sealed I could at least read the newspaper in the bathtub (good cigar would make it a trifecta).
Crap. No camera. No multi-threading. Come on, it would be awesome to walk around the house and do a video call with the grandparents on this thing. No camera. Give me a break. Would that have been $2.50 extra in costs? The lack of multi-threading on my iPhone still ticks me off at times. What?! I have to quit this application in order to check my email?! Huh?
you should take a look at one in person, it is not grayscale it is e-ink. It looks just like a printed page and is far sharper and higher resolution than an LCD or other display.
The color features mean textbooks can be delivered digitally.
Folks who "skipped" computers can get email, web, video, music.
Big-screen GPS?
A super-capacity digital photo frame ... with email, web, video, music.
Customized news feeder. Instant magazine.
Collector of coupons (since stores can scan the barcode from the screen).
"TV" via web (Hulu.com, network sites, Daily Show, etc.)
At about double the cost of a smartphone, this seems a pretty good deal for hardware. The data plan is reasonable for new users.
A nice gift for elderly parents.
Imagine the medical information, or hobby information, or puzzles/games.
A better deal than getting a child a phone? Could set alarms, notes.
I'm seeing backpacks, purses, and cases with pad pockets.
This is the type of exciting stuff that drives a free market. Whatever iPad does, a lot of people will have a lot of fun learning about it, using it, trying aps, creating aps, and adapting it to specific user groups.
Except it doesn't have Flash support so online video is not an option. The only people who think they're going to buy this aren't even smart enough to understand what it can't do. Should have run OSX, then it would be useful. As it is it's awful and pointless.
at least 50% of those who say they won't will change their mind and finally give in...happened to the ipod, happened to the iphone. Neither of these had the stuff considered standard by heavy users.
by Master Bates on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 15:53 #212016
I said I would never buy an ipod, because there were always better mp3 players out there. So eventually, I broke down and bought one for the girlfriend for her birthday last year.
Holy cow what a piece of crap! I mean, compared to other mp3 devices...
First of all, you MUST use itunes to get any music onto the device. If you buy the music from itunes, you get some proprietary, DRM infested format. If you try to use other ways to get music onto the device, it simply does not work. If you use itunes to burn your cds onto the device, you get the same whack ass m4a format instead of a format you actually want. I could go on and on about why the ipod is technologically inferior to other devices available on the market today, but I will suffice to say that we use my 2GB mp3 player more than we use the 120 GB ipod that I bought my girlfriend for her birthday.
iPhone? LOL. It doesn't even multitask! I could go on and on about it... but there's no point.
The only thing Apple has going for it is ignorant users that have no technological understanding who worship Steve Jobs like Jesus out of some weird desire to belong. They would buy turds on a stick if it had a glowing Apple on the back.
They consistently bash Microsoft's business practices, yet defend every monopolistic ploy Apple makes as "superior technology being protected."
The day I buy an Apple is the day it has comparable technology with real compatibility with other devices at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, Apple's products have none of those things.
So why would I buy an oversized iphone when I can get a laptop cheaper? Why would I buy an iphone when I can get a better phone?
You have to spend money to have an iphone that's worth anything. You have to pay 30 bucks a month for internet access, then you have to buy all of the neat applications/media files in order to get any real use out of it (other than for calls). The ipad will have even greater access charges and of course, the owner will be tethered to the itunes store. People who own these things (primarily the young and the gullible) either have money to burn or are complete suckers. There are a few apps (like the navigation programs) that are useful, the vast majority are fluff.
Having said that I do believe that smaller, portable devices are the future of personal computing. I'm glad that Apple is leading the way if only to present a challenge to Micro$ofts hegemony.
by Master Bates on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 15:59 #212022
And even the navigation apps are 60 bucks! Who the hell would pay 60 bucks for an app that is FREE on other phones? Turn by turn GPS comes with my data plan for free. I wouldn't buy an iclone to pay extra for the same service...
I don't understand why everybody is rooting for Apple to take down Microsoft. They'd be even MORE monopolistic than Microsoft if they had a larger market share. Look at what they do in their music market with their proprietary formats and DRM gobbledygook. All of their platforms are closed to other developers unless you have their specific permission, while Microsoft will let you make anything you want for Windows. Fuck Apple. Everybody who buys into their "different" hype is an ass.
The first letter is used to determine which corporation will sue you and issue you a specious Cease and Desist order if you attempt to name a product with it.
Your link did not work. I googled thinking some amusing image of someone addicted to an ipad would be my reward (I like to giggle, a lot). You are responsible for this, I could have done without the link below. Don't click it. Don't. Really. Don't say I didn't warn you. Maybe something that belongs to Doc Brown who has been posting all over?
iSnort is, as Gizmodo notes, "funny because a) it's ultra-realistic and b) it is precisely one of the main uses of the iPhone in many clubs all around the world."
by el Gallinazo on Sun, 01/31/2010 - 10:21 #212443
I voted no.
Background. I am a geezer; used Macs since 1990; own a MacBook and a 32 GB iPod touch; own an unlocked Nokia cell with lots of bells and whistles: on a budget; retired and live in Central America.
I love the Mac OS and my iTouch. I use the iTouch to read books. Stanza is an infinitely better app than Kindle for the iPhone/iTouch. But mailing books here is a PITA, so I do sometimes buy Kindle books from Amazon and read them on the iTouch. No hay problema. I find my iTouch wifi connectivity more than adequate for my needs. I bought a mic for it from Truphone for $10 and it verbal Skypes just fine.
That said, I wouldn't by an iPad because I have no need for it. I put Zigg protection on my iTouch and actually keep it in my front jeans pocket in the fold of my wallet. I paid once for it and no mas. I have no need for a giant iTouch.
I voted no... if its anything like my Ip0wn, it will end up with tape covering the cracked glass screen, uninsured and at the bottom of a body of water. Apple makes the least robust devices known to man, this is especially impressive since they have no moving parts.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:17
#208665
I'm going to wait for the ITampon.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:20
#208680
I knew you were a chick.. LoL
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:24
#208689
Na. I'm just not embarassed to buy tampons at the grocery store. I bought some when I was a kid and used them to make rockets. LOL
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:24
#208822
Wow - me too, I thought I was the only one. Those little AA engines fit perfectly inside the big end of a tampon.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 11:36
#209244
no you use them for a pipe. cut a small hole and put aluminum foil over the hole and pin pricks, voila!
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 13:57
#209586
Make sure you remove the tampon. Also use lots of foil or your pipe will catch on fire.
We used to use the papers to roll with.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 15:04
#209723
so cheap, used the paper once but didn't like that kind of tree pulp. remove before smoking. see the boyz used the tampon container for rockets us clicks to get high. funny
on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 02:49
#210602
This all reminded me of the song Rocket by Primitive Radio Gods which of course is NOT on youtube. So From tampons to phonebooths we go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LKVZ4NTfUc
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:24
#208690
i am waiting for version 2.0:maxiPad.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:44
#209004
Wait no further!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI&feature=player_embedded
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:28
#208703
For the guys, there is always iPud.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:20
#208977
How about an iPlug, for all the men tired of placing a foot in their mouth.
Of course, I do not exclude myself from that honor roll. :>)
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:45
#209006
More IPad and IPud jokes:
http://jezebel.com/5458338/that-time-of-the-month-the-internets-best-period+related-ipad-jokes
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:32
#208707
CAFR1.com stupid is as stupid does
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 06:43
#208903
Sticking with my Tampod here!
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:25
#208692
I have a slightly different point of view than most people. I love the device. I'll buy it. It's a great platform for software applications for those of us who aren't at a desk all day. I can stick it in my truck, do task x, record what I did, send an email, do task y, etc. Can't do that with a Kindle, kind of a hassle with an iPhone (I know), and carrying a laptop is pointless esp since things get spilled on it and the overhead is way too much for simple stuff. So in general I think it's perfect, but I'm not sitting at a Starbucks all day trying to look cool.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:27
#208699
No USB port, can't multi task.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:44
#208730
Actually it HAS a USB port, and does multtask.
Neither of these features do YOU any good of course.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:41
#208791
Awe man... deal breaker.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:39
#208833
We don't talk about our god's inadequacies. We are only allowed to accentuate the postiive.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:40
#208721
Huh????
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:40
#208790
Fool Me Twice!!!! Beudiful!!! Yo must be young by your score card. Me, I'm just slow.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:26
#208773
So what's your Apple employee number? Seriously, how do you love a device that's barely released? I have a netbook that I paid 180 dollars for that can do anything this can and more.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 02:25
#208880
buy a netbook for half the price?
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 08:49
#208951
Everything you just said can be done on any phone right now. What's the point of it?
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:01
#208963
Might be a very cool device/piece of hardware. I enjoyed the iPhone until I bought a house that had very limited ATT coverage and that is in a densely populated urban environment. The ATT network is overloaded with iPhone users right now and can't handle the load. Leads to dropped calls, poor service.
iPad(or iPon as some call it) will further stress the ATT network. Apple shut out Verizon from coverage. Not smart. The device will fail due to the network it is on, but will probably be a great device for a niche (as you've referenced).
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 10:34
#209089
I have sort of the same problem with the iphone wireless phone coverage. I've been thinink of getting one of those home hotspots. Agree AT+T will have its work cut out for it if they think there going to support all the bandwith this will suck up.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:34
#208710
Only if it comes with wings.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:40
#208723
Gizmodo has 8 reasons you may want to wait on a purchase.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?skyline=t...
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:29
#208777
I voted yes but after reading that, I'm going with NO.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:35
#208785
ZH is looking out for you! Buy silver. Oh wait...
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:51
#208800
Me gots plenty of silver...but you already knew that.
Just bought a bunch tonight for a trade. Should see a pop.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:29
#208824
I'm stalking this thing as we speak. Could go down a lot more. The gut says that is coming for a while, unwinding or backroom deals, whatever. I'm a bit of a newbie, I have white knuckles but a strong hand. I don't have a truck to back up, but me gots a trunk!!! The question is how low does this dip go... This feels so volatile.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 02:53
#208887
The banking industry is going to go malicious on UK very soon. They think it's all broken up and consolidated and ready to put the pain on.
You're doing pretty good. You have to see how it all works together. The 3rd world and parts of the communist blocks are acting as the purely strong hand suppressive force. The system works on counterfeiting so it acts like a relief valve. Whatever negative pressure the US is able to build is simply counterfeited mixed up and laid on thier heads. The UK acts as a hinge in the whole deal. They work at midpoint in suppression/freedom thing. It's very suppressive society it's working at pretty close to max capacity because of the inability to control the sudden and rapid flareups between the close proximity of all the various countries.
Anyway I'm trying to map it all out but here's the crap going down in UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/26/uk-economy-debt-bob-gross
I think this squeeze is going to flare some bad reactions as it pisses off greece, ireland, and germany all in different ways based on different deep seated historical perspectives. Attempts to turn the nihilistic energy into a diffused reversed I win game are probably going to start ripping apart at the seems.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 10:44
#209114
Love Silver, Love Gold. Its just become an abusive relationship lately. I'm pretty confident long term we can work out our issue's.
on Tue, 02/02/2010 - 09:52
#214639
+1
I'm pretty sure it will work out... unless she leaves my sh!t in a box on my driveway.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:44
#208729
What I want to know is, who's going to buy an iPad instead of an iPod touch or a Macbook/iMac? Not only is the iPad an over-sized iPhone, it seems like the greater risk is the iPad cannibalizing Apple's other, higher margin, product lines, and materially so.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:01
#208748
iPlotz
no flash, only app store app, not a computer, more than a kindle,
giant iphone, less than everything else.
how does it replace a netbook really with same or smaller screen size resolution? tired of netbook bashing...put 2 gigs of ram in one blows away most desktops
touch screen keypad yuck, oh yah gaming...without flash, non- connectable without adapter to most of universe, ATT double yuch.
Apple distinguished being first company to suffer from monopoly of itself...
definitely niche market (LOL) i x pad a small ugly universe
ugly rectangle with rounded ugly corners...style now subtracted from an apple product...what does that leave but aluminum and glass starting at $500 bucks? own chip interesting but not to buy.
i-"P", Ay Yi Yi, i-wish, iJobs jumps the shark
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:02
#208752
And who wants to try to keep that big-ass screen clean and un-scratched?
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:45
#208732
It looks like an iPhone for the seeing impaired. Like the TV remote I bought my 76 yo mother.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 22:55
#208743
http://www.amazon.com/Jumbo-Calculator-Flip-Up-Display/dp/B0002PRZ10/ref...
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:01
#208749
Exactly.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:00
#208745
mobile phone, a necessity = mass appeal
laptop, a near-necessity = mass appeal
tablet/reader, a vain accessory = niche appeal
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:02
#208751
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs&feature
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:05
#208755
The real question here is cost.
Will an iPhone user have to add another data plan to access the AT&T network on the iPad?
Either way, assume a data plan costs an addition $30/month. That's $360/year. Add that to the cheapest non-3G version and you're looking at spending at least $860 for your first year using this thing.
Yes it's functional, yes it's the future, but is it worth 4 times the cost of a Kindle?
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:06
#208757
the scale of the thing is comical to the point of being absurd. really in the promo video it looks like a mini steve jobs holding an iphone. nevertheless it's pretty cool and i'd like to have one
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:15
#208763
"...nevertheless it's pretty cool and i'd like to have one..."
doesn't sound like you're thilled about spending more $$ on a redundant device. that's the difference between mass appeal and niche appeal. The kindle is a flop, and the iPad will be slightly less of a flop.
the iPhone and iPod are the thoroughbreds in apple's stable. iPad is an 'also ran', not a 'winner'.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:12
#208762
No. I'll wait for later version if I do buy one. The current undesireables are:
a) slow internet likely on current cell services
b) no multitasking (multiple apps at once)
c) no ports for peripherals
d) OS is limited
e) i'd like to see how durable it is, see what track record it gets over first year or so
f) no phone service (thing looks like an iphone, might as well have phone capabilities with an earpiece)
Basically, it looks like a very nice toy, but I'll save the cash for later, better versions (or alternatives). For now I'll spend half that on a netbook now and maintain full OS functionality.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:25
#208771
It gave me a boner. I have no use for such a device, but I could see it being extremely handy if I did a lot of traveling.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:27
#208774
I love my macbook & iphone.
I like Apple.
I don't need anymore stuff.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:40
#208789
you could make a cool virtual coke sniffing app on it with that large touch screen..
on Tue, 02/02/2010 - 10:04
#214640
I hope they can employ the camera for a mirror to enhance the realism.
Edit: This turd doesn't have a camera, wow really?.....
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:42
#208792
iWon't
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:44
#208793
Apple:
Nice software....shit hardware....
You could buy two Dell laptops for what that ITurd will be going for....
But there is always a sucker willing to pony up for the latest greatest....seemingly even moreso when it comes to AAPL.
on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 23:50
#208799
How did that name get past -any- marketing department?
This is one Apple product where the reasonable rumors turned out to far outperform the klunker they delivered. A camera for teleconferencing would've been a killer app. A built-in FM tuner and HDTV tuner would've been killer apps. But neither? I mean, come on, the measly iPod Nano has a camera AND an FM tuner!!!
It was painful to watch Steve Jobs use hyperbole to describe this. The most important product he's ever done?
I have a PC and a Mac and the PC is superior as far as productivity goes. However, my iPhone is indespensable. So I was pretty excited about this, but ultimately a big disappointment.
My hope is that todays show was a ruse to get the media of his arse, so he can develop a truly marketable product.
Oh iPad, how thee has tarnished my view of Apple and Mr. Jobs!
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 08:54
#208956
"built in FMtuner = killer app"
?!?
might be the stupidest thing ever said on ZH
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:04
#208810
man i was all ready to zing with some witty feminine hygiene product comments, but apparently i was not alone with that idea.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:14
#208812
Besides the fact that it looks like an iPhone put in the xerox machine it:
-Has it's own apple processor(watch out Intel)
-Amazing responsive multitouch
-Hardware accelerated effects.
The device is better than any windoze machine in existance.With that said, it's too expensive and limited
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:23
#208819
Ooohh... an Apple processor. Didn't they get Intel because it was stronger chips than Apple in the first place?
And how do you know that it's better than "Windoze?" Did you use it? Or was the glowing Apple on the back your first clue?
"Hardware accelerated effects?" Did you get that from the brochure?
It's a netbook that you touch the screen with for twice the price.
Then again, netbooks have optical drives and USB ports.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:28
#208825
Stronger chips than Motorola, you mean (later spun off as Freescale).
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:57
#208875
+1
I'd have to say he's right on all counts. Furthermore: "10 hours of battery life" translates to 4 hours actual use, which means charging 1 x day, which in turn means 1-3 years battery life. Naturally the battery is not replaceable. Some geeks will figure that out, but it will be tough.
If you're interested in "Hardware accelerated effects", I've got a bridge you might be interested in...
At this point the only thing Apple has going for it is "aesthetics" (translation: "cult following").
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 04:30
#208896
Apple is a software shop. They don't make hardware. Never have.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 23:11
#210484
Apple is a software shop. They don't make hardware. Never have.
Wrong.
"Apple's bought itself a chip company, P.A. Semi, that could make chips for future iPods and iPhones. The company was founded by Dan Dobberpuhl, lead designer of Alpha chips, who last year announced a 64-bit dual core processor that is said to be about 300% more efficient than the nearest competition, using only 5 to 13 watts at 2GHz.
Products using the chips won't arrive for a year, at least, but we can assume that Apple wouldn't spend $278 million without some plans to use 'em soon as it made sense, and I'm sure Intel and ARM aren't stoked. The negotiations, which finished recently, took place in The Steve's home. Owning its own chip design is an interesting move. While the iPhone's had a lot of off the shelf componentry, it makes sense that working on its own internal hardware could yield better devices. "
http://gizmodo.com/382929/apple-buys-itself-a-little-chip-company-known-for-super-efficient-processors
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 23:48
#210511
Thank you for the contribution. Great link!
on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 00:11
#210528
I found that couple hours after I posted. Research it deeper. That chip is umm something not quite right about it. Like it should have died but it keeps finding faith reserve fuel tanks. Its supposed to work but won't.
Apple may just be the last sucker buyer of it. it's definitely not the first.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:22
#208816
I'm a Mac user. I like Mac OS X because I'm a UNIX nerd, and it's a nice UNIX system in many ways. The iPad? I'll guess it goes the way of the Cube and the Newton, barring some really spectacular changes (Can't access the battery without disassembly? What's up with that?). Innovative product, but really searching for a raison d'etre, and just plain common sense in certain respects. If it were hermetically sealed I could at least read the newspaper in the bathtub (good cigar would make it a trifecta).
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:23
#208818
Well, it has an IPS-technology LCD panel. Color me impressed that someone has done so in a small screen.
Now can Lenovo take note that it can be done for small panels and put Flexview back in their Thinkpads?
The best thing would be to rip the panel out, sell out the rest of the innards. Then interface as needed with a more open device.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:23
#208820
this would attract attention in public. this would not be beneficial to the goals of project mayhem.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:27
#208823
can i run my robotrades on it from the sh*tter. no go.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:39
#208834
Waiting for the iPad Maxi
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:44
#208837
I'll probably buy one eventually for my kids but I'd never buy the first-generation model. I'll probably wait until 3G or later.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:50
#208840
i'm glad i refrained from making a disparaging comment about a hygiene product when there were no posts yet...
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 00:52
#208842
Steve, if you're reading (I know you are), it's too small.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:09
#208850
Crap. No camera. No multi-threading. Come on, it would be awesome to walk around the house and do a video call with the grandparents on this thing. No camera. Give me a break. Would that have been $2.50 extra in costs? The lack of multi-threading on my iPhone still ticks me off at times. What?! I have to quit this application in order to check my email?! Huh?
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:23
#208857
I was amped for the IPad. Then I discovered it had to data inputs. No CDs (much less DVDs), no USB chips. Nothing like that.
I'm out.
Fix your shit...
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:37
#208864
Have macbook (love it) and an iPhone, but didn't buy a Kindle because grayscale is a bit hard on my eyes.
if anyone comes up with an Open Source e-reader that A,mazon would make an app for, I'm a buyer.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:42
#208871
you should take a look at one in person, it is not grayscale it is e-ink. It looks just like a printed page and is far sharper and higher resolution than an LCD or other display.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 01:42
#208870
The color features mean textbooks can be delivered digitally.
Folks who "skipped" computers can get email, web, video, music.
Big-screen GPS?
A super-capacity digital photo frame ... with email, web, video, music.
Customized news feeder. Instant magazine.
Collector of coupons (since stores can scan the barcode from the screen).
"TV" via web (Hulu.com, network sites, Daily Show, etc.)
At about double the cost of a smartphone, this seems a pretty good deal for hardware. The data plan is reasonable for new users.
A nice gift for elderly parents.
Imagine the medical information, or hobby information, or puzzles/games.
A better deal than getting a child a phone? Could set alarms, notes.
I'm seeing backpacks, purses, and cases with pad pockets.
This is the type of exciting stuff that drives a free market. Whatever iPad does, a lot of people will have a lot of fun learning about it, using it, trying aps, creating aps, and adapting it to specific user groups.
Imagine the gorgeous advertising on the way ;-)
--Best wishes from Kansas
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:47
#209007
Except it doesn't have Flash support so online video is not an option. The only people who think they're going to buy this aren't even smart enough to understand what it can't do. Should have run OSX, then it would be useful. As it is it's awful and pointless.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 02:12
#208878
It's bigger than a pocket, and thus requires a bag to carry.
Women with purses would be a logical market.
Thus, iPad is an awful name.
It's also going to be awkward to type on. At this size,
the device needs a keyboard.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 08:54
#208955
a good name for this half computer cut be iflop.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 07:10
#208904
at least 50% of those who say they won't will change their mind and finally give in...happened to the ipod, happened to the iphone. Neither of these had the stuff considered standard by heavy users.
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 15:53
#212016
I said I would never buy an ipod, because there were always better mp3 players out there. So eventually, I broke down and bought one for the girlfriend for her birthday last year.
Holy cow what a piece of crap! I mean, compared to other mp3 devices...
First of all, you MUST use itunes to get any music onto the device. If you buy the music from itunes, you get some proprietary, DRM infested format. If you try to use other ways to get music onto the device, it simply does not work. If you use itunes to burn your cds onto the device, you get the same whack ass m4a format instead of a format you actually want.
I could go on and on about why the ipod is technologically inferior to other devices available on the market today, but I will suffice to say that we use my 2GB mp3 player more than we use the 120 GB ipod that I bought my girlfriend for her birthday.
iPhone? LOL. It doesn't even multitask! I could go on and on about it... but there's no point.
The only thing Apple has going for it is ignorant users that have no technological understanding who worship Steve Jobs like Jesus out of some weird desire to belong. They would buy turds on a stick if it had a glowing Apple on the back.
They consistently bash Microsoft's business practices, yet defend every monopolistic ploy Apple makes as "superior technology being protected."
The day I buy an Apple is the day it has comparable technology with real compatibility with other devices at a reasonable price.
Unfortunately, Apple's products have none of those things.
So why would I buy an oversized iphone when I can get a laptop cheaper? Why would I buy an iphone when I can get a better phone?
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 08:31
#208937
If real consumption is anywhere near the poll results so far, Apple will make a damn fortune.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 08:49
#208952
Marla, You need one more voting option. How about: would rather die in a house fire than participate in any more pop culture technological pap.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:35
#208994
iHeater - gotta prepare for global cooling.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 09:48
#209008
What are the rules for using i's and e's in the names of things?
"i" used for objects (nouns)? iPad, iRod etc
"e" used for services or verbs? eTrade, eToss etc
I need to know this so I can pass as a tech douchebag at Starbucks
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 10:34
#209088
You have to spend money to have an iphone that's worth anything. You have to pay 30 bucks a month for internet access, then you have to buy all of the neat applications/media files in order to get any real use out of it (other than for calls). The ipad will have even greater access charges and of course, the owner will be tethered to the itunes store. People who own these things (primarily the young and the gullible) either have money to burn or are complete suckers. There are a few apps (like the navigation programs) that are useful, the vast majority are fluff.
Having said that I do believe that smaller, portable devices are the future of personal computing. I'm glad that Apple is leading the way if only to present a challenge to Micro$ofts hegemony.
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 15:59
#212022
And even the navigation apps are 60 bucks! Who the hell would pay 60 bucks for an app that is FREE on other phones? Turn by turn GPS comes with my data plan for free. I wouldn't buy an iclone to pay extra for the same service...
I don't understand why everybody is rooting for Apple to take down Microsoft. They'd be even MORE monopolistic than Microsoft if they had a larger market share. Look at what they do in their music market with their proprietary formats and DRM gobbledygook. All of their platforms are closed to other developers unless you have their specific permission, while Microsoft will let you make anything you want for Windows. Fuck Apple. Everybody who buys into their "different" hype is an ass.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 11:24
#209208
The first letter is used to determine which corporation will sue you and issue you a specious Cease and Desist order if you attempt to name a product with it.
Better hurry, there are only 24 letters left!
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 13:36
#209535
23. I believe X is already taken by the xTreme sports industry
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 10:12
#209051
Nope.
Full disclosure though: my company gave me an iPod touch for xmas.
I prefer to read dead trees on the bus.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 10:23
#209074
The iPhone OS sux. That's a dealbreaker.
-Liz Lemon
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 10:43
#209109
This poll kind of gives you an idea of how many 20 somethings are bloggers on this site.
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 16:01
#212024
I'm a 20 something, and I'm not some trendy douchebag that spends 3X as much on a computer because it's "different."
I'd say that this poll gives you an idea of how many bloggers on this site know jack shit about technology and would blow Steve Jobs if he let them.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 11:32
#209229
I voted "am"... Love my Macbook & iMac. But an Apple chip? And no OSX? Consider my vote reversed.
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 14:42
#209694
https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm
https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/store/home.php
on Thu, 01/28/2010 - 15:35
#209788
I've voted NO several times. WTF?
on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 18:01
#211490
a month from now they'll discount the price like they did with the iphone, so they can piss everybody off and get more free publicity.
on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 23:02
#211702
http://cryptogon.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/crackpad.jpg
on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 23:33
#211719
Your link did not work. I googled thinking some amusing image of someone addicted to an ipad would be my reward (I like to giggle, a lot). You are responsible for this, I could have done without the link below. Don't click it. Don't. Really. Don't say I didn't warn you. Maybe something that belongs to Doc Brown who has been posting all over?
http://www.nicdirector.net/crackpad/
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 09:53
#211818
Ms, have fun with this one (but not too much fun)
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 10:23
#211827
Thanks! That was funny. If I play it over and over, is that a problem?
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 11:55
#211865
;-) We may need to have a sit down...
Teen Drug Use: 34 Warning Signs
on Sun, 01/31/2010 - 10:21
#212443
I voted no.
Background. I am a geezer; used Macs since 1990; own a MacBook and a 32 GB iPod touch; own an unlocked Nokia cell with lots of bells and whistles: on a budget; retired and live in Central America.
I love the Mac OS and my iTouch. I use the iTouch to read books. Stanza is an infinitely better app than Kindle for the iPhone/iTouch. But mailing books here is a PITA, so I do sometimes buy Kindle books from Amazon and read them on the iTouch. No hay problema. I find my iTouch wifi connectivity more than adequate for my needs. I bought a mic for it from Truphone for $10 and it verbal Skypes just fine.
That said, I wouldn't by an iPad because I have no need for it. I put Zigg protection on my iTouch and actually keep it in my front jeans pocket in the fold of my wallet. I paid once for it and no mas. I have no need for a giant iTouch.
on Sun, 01/31/2010 - 13:17
#212548
I'm not....but hey any chance of an apple app for the iphone??
on Tue, 02/02/2010 - 10:00
#214647
I voted no... if its anything like my Ip0wn, it will end up with tape covering the cracked glass screen, uninsured and at the bottom of a body of water. Apple makes the least robust devices known to man, this is especially impressive since they have no moving parts.
on Fri, 02/05/2010 - 12:32
#219211
I would buy the iPad if it supported Adobe Flash, had a built-in camera, and some USB ports for external storage.