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TO THOSE WHO SERVED

 

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Tue, 05/29/2012 - 02:44 | 2470896 world_debt_slave
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as the barbies cool

the fools still rulez

and a foot up your arse!

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:08 | 2470786 PLove
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Black Professor Tony Martin ... The Slave Trade

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0eLkMAFIvc

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:19 | 2470713 Cosimo de Medici
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Mr. Banzai, I've got a sneaking suspicion the numbers 442 have a special meaning for you.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:45 | 2470748 williambanzai7
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Go for broke...

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 01:12 | 2470841 Cosimo de Medici
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Pardon me for saying that, but I note that you carry a great deal of respect for those who served, and this seems to be in stark contrast to your more normal cynicism and humor.  I conclude, rightly or wrongly, only something very powerful and personal could account for this seeming inconsistency.  Among my in-laws is a veteran of 442, and while I could never fully understand what that experience meant, occurring as it did at the same time Manzanar was in operation, I can appreciate that it has, for him, deep meaning.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:46 | 2470674 Matt
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With two quagmire wars, zombie banks, a man eating another man's face off and all the rest of it, I figure The Cranberries - Zombie would be apropos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95HqlWRFrAk

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:08 | 2470298 General Debility
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This subject in the US is even more loaded than gay marriage. I can understand why. There is a great book by James Hillman called "A Terrible Love of War" for those who like psychology laced with Greek Mythology.

In the meantime, I have never seen propellers like that ever in my entire many lifetimes.  They seem to work quite effectively. Good for women over 40(being one myself :))

Puts a whole new slant on what happens at prop desks.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:51 | 2470486 New_Meat
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re: the props--it seems that the thrust vectors are ... well ... rather uplifting.  WB7 has rather  perfectly captured the transition from zhaftig towards twiggy.

'course WB7 would do thus, that's his nature.

- Ned

{OT--RP "zhaftig-deniers" have been rather silent these last weeks.  Wazzz-up?"}

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:16 | 2470231 dolph9
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Arguments aside, I'm just glad to have the day off!

Over and out.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:40 | 2470667 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You'll have them all off, soon enough.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:46 | 2470476 New_Meat
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Over: "I'm going to listen to your next comunication."

Out: "I'm outta' here"

Over 'n Out: "Knock your lights out, but I'm off for Miller time."

- Ned

{... we can get into "Lock and Load" if all y'all wish ;-O}

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 17:50 | 2470190 WhiteNight123129
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REVOLUTION!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 16:06 | 2470020 walküre
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Facts are allot more interesting though.

Where would homecoming soldiers find jobs in America? What is the cost of keeping thousands of boots outside the US as opposed to bringing them home w/o the prospect of any employment?

The debt clock is ticking and the costs of running this military are exorbitant. Diluted currency will buy less and less fuel to run the planes, ships and tanks and soldiers getting paid in diluted currency will find it harder to keep feeding their families.

Honor the dead, the fallen and the wounded even when you know they're just small kogs in the big corporate military machine. We're all just bloody puppets on a string, some of us in khakis. It suits our puppet masters just fine to see us fight with each other vs. taking down the whole shitshow from the TOP down. jm2c

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 15:43 | 2469971 onlooker
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Not all wars are without justification. Not all warriors are evil. For those who gave their lives, health, mobility, and fitness of mind, who lost loved ones, for those who gave

 

And give us the ability to speak freely (now questionable and under scrutiny), the ability to function in a represented society without a king, the ability to move freely and work at the task we choose, to fear not the choice of religion,  

 

This day is Just and needed, a day to remember those who gave

 

And as some here have called for an end to war and clarification of the wrong decisions of US leadership for sending our children and young men off to die for causes that were not worth the sacrifice------ we at this time still have the voice to call out for the end of evil warfare------ and that is built upon foundation of the dead who did die for a just and righteous cause.

 

Without those who served, we would not be having this discussion

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:22 | 2469783 Mox E
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I believe Jefferson proposed that the military be entirely conscription.  In this way, every citizen would be armed.  In addition, if congress were to declare war, citizens would have to leave their jobs and their family in order to go fight.  In other words, a conflict would have to truly be worth it - a true check and balance on the ability of congress to declare war.  He was also concerned about how having a volunteer private army would appeal to the poor and uneducated and thereby winding up with an army of uneducated and state-dependent citizens as a tool of the state (kinda what we got right now).  As a compromise with the federalists, we wound up with the 2nd amendment to the constitution.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:07 | 2469735 earnulf
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No matter the rhetoric on the board, the fact remains.   Freedom is paid for in blood.    You have the right to your opinion because of everyday men and women wno shed their life for it.     War is Hell, just ask any survivor who has heard the passage of the bullet by their head, or shrapnel piece.     Anyone who has looked upon the ravages of an exploded shell or fire on a buddy.    

We lose our freedom because of politicians who fear in their old age.   They fear public outcry and bad press.   They succumb to fears about terrorists and wring their hands because we can't be caught again with our pants down or political heads would roll.

Might does not make right, for eventually everyone grows old and dies.    Intolerance is the slow fuel of war, set ablaze by self-rightousness.     Too many have claimed that "god is on OUR side" when in fact he weeps for the waste of war.     It is up to each man, woman and child to understand the cost of true freedom, and to decide for themselves the truth of the statement, War is Hell.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 17:48 | 2470184 GeorgeHayduke
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So are you saying the only way to be free is to have wars? In many ways I agree because the wealthy power mongers never seem to stop pushing for more and more at a cost to everyone else.

Do Iraq and Afghanistan count as wars we needed to fight to ensure our freedom? If anyone truly believe they are, I'd love to hear the argument.

You note that politicians are the the real cause for the loss of our freedoms. Do you mean our politicians or the politicians of the "evildoers" as that dipshit Bush called them?  I assume you mean our own politicians as they have been running roughshod over our diminishing freedoms quite heavily of late.

It seems as though the extremely wealthy and well-connected around the world always have freedom, usually including more freedoms than the rest of us. Meanwhile, we have our youth fighting wars for "our" so-called freedom while these same ultra free, wealthy and powerful people profit from these same wars, of which the outcome will not affect their freedom much in any way.

Perhaps we just look in the wrong direction when we are pointed at a so-called enemy who might infringe upon our freedom. Most likely the one pointing the finger is the biggest threat to freedom for those who are not wealthy and powerful.

I am being to think this whole idea of freedom and fighting for freedom, etc... has been couched in a way that does not allow us to view the whole picture. Also, our government making everything a secret anymore allows them to shape the entire picture for the masses. That way we will always see every war as a fight for freedom, even though it is likely a fight for more corporate profits. Maybe the whole war for profit  system is the problem. All I do know is that we have been lied to so much we can hardly discern the truth anymore.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:55 | 2470743 williambanzai7
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There are wars to protect our so called "freedom", there are wars fought for oil and there are wars fought for gold.

In every instance it is everyone's responsibility to ask is this justifiable and why.

The trouble is, these days the biggest threat to our freedom is an enemy within.

There are wars said to be fought in the name of freedom, but the decisions made above had nothing to do with freedom.

I have had my own disagreements with what this country has done abroad, but I have never blamed the vets for the polluted principles embedded in the power structure of our country.

I think its good to argue about war. 

However, both my parents served and I choose this day to give all vets a hat tip. 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:26 | 2469794 Lost My Shorts
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A noble sentiment from you.  Just one problem -- so much of war is not waged to preserve our freedeom.  Quite the contrary, a lot of war stinks so badly of propaganda and deceit that our freedoms must be severely curtailed so we don't ask too many questions or mount any effective opposition.  War reduces our freedom.  Open your eyes.  After past wars much of the freedom was clawed back, but as ZH likes to say, that will keep happening until it doesn't.

To the elites, flyover country USA is just a large plantation for growing soldiers.  Take away their educational opportunity, send all their jobs to China, snow them with propaganda and Pearl Harbor moments, and the livestock lines up to fight.  Freedom shudders meanwhile.

Probably everyone knows this one from memory, but it never gets old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1VD84SLW8I

Shows how you can honor the dead in ways other than pretending to believe the lies.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:41 | 2469671 q99x2
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Just trying to figure out how to get past the propellers.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:33 | 2470737 williambanzai7
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I've seen lots of nose art, but that titty ditty tops the cake ;-)

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:54 | 2470578 Manthong
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Just tell her the shop chief told you to scrub them down with a bucket of prop wash.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:35 | 2469650 TrustWho
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Most people do not know the difference because they do NOT THINK! Of course, ignorance from non-thinkful does create a blissful state.

I really got angry at the politicians who wrapped themselves in our great flag and spoke at the Memorial service. The people who sent our boys in harms way...how dare they. I wished we had started a demonstration against these bastards to demonstrate our respect and honor for those who gave their last breath for these bastards.

Even though the bastards have perverted the military objectives, the boys who gave their last breath did so for us, the citizens. I salute you ALL. You are all better man than me and I respect and honor your gift to me!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:41 | 2469673 TrustWho
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To Clayton James, my neighbor and friend, I salute you and honor your death for our country in Vietnam, You were a damn good scout helicopter pilot. I apologize for not fighting a system that wasted your life because I was stupid and wanted to believe in the Superman myth...TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:01 | 2470504 TrustWho
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a politician or dumbass (darn, a politician is dumbass, but you could be a dumbass without being a politician) voted negative on my comment about a soldier who died for your right to dishonor them.....FU!

Memorial Day is a day that makes me emotional. Clayton did not die for almost $16 trillion debt! 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:16 | 2469602 crzyhun
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It is the VETERAN, not the preacher, who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the community organizer, who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician, Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the VETERAN who salutes the Flag,

It is the VETERAN who serves under the Flag,

 ETERNAL REST GRANT THEM O LORD, AND LET PERPETUAL LIGHT SHINE UPON THEM.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:32 | 2469743 Gully Foyle
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crzyhun

I was gonna say can you be more full of shit.

But I'll just assume you are ignorant of American History.

In light of that I'll merely point out a single part of your rant which is wrong.

"It is the VETERAN, not the community organizer, who has given us freedom to assemble."

You might Google up all the times US troops have been used on American soil to crush say mine strikes.

Like this one "

14 July 1877
A general strike halted the movement of U.S. railroads. In the following days, strike riots spread across the United States. The next week, federal troops were called out to force an end to the nationwide strike. At the "Battle of the Viaduct" in Chicago, federal troops (recently returned from an Indian massacre) killed 30 workers and wounded over 100."

Or this one

"1894
Federal troops killed 34 American Railway Union members in the Chicago area attempting to break a strike, led by Eugene Debs, against the Pullman Company. Debs and several others were imprisoned for violating injunctions, causing disintegration of the union."

And this

"1920 and 1921
Army troops were used to intervene against striking mineworkers in West Virginia. Details of these events can be found in the extensive and excellent article at www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh50-1.html."

And this will rock your boat

28 December 1944
President Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered the Army to seize the executive offices of Montgomery Ward and Company after the corporation failed to comply with a National War Labor Board directive regarding union shops.

1 April 1946
A strike by 400,000 mine workers in the U.S. began. U.S. troops seized railroads and coal mines the following month.

4 October 1946
The U.S. Navy seized oil refineries in order to break a 20-state post-war strike.

27 August 1950
President Truman ordered the U.S. Army to seize all the nation's railroads to prevent a general strike. The railroads were not returned to their owners until two years later.

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/july28th.html

1932 U.S.A. "Bonus Army" World War I veterans
28th July 1932 : Federal troops under the order of President Hoover forcibly dispersed the "Bonus Army" of ( 17,000 World War I veterans ) who had gathered in Washington, D.C. on June 17th to demand money they weren't scheduled to receive until 1945. The troops under the command of General Douglas MacArthur and Major George S. Patton are ordered to charge into the veterans and were sent to destroy the temporary shacks in the Bonus Army's camps in Hooverville on the Anacostia Flats forcing the marchers out. By the end of the day hundreds of veterans were injured, and several were killed.
The World War I Vets like every body else in the country were suffering with no jobs and money during these early years of the great depression and wanted the Service Certificates they had earned while fighting in World War I paid out early.

( MacArthur and Patton were real dirtbags)

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 16:14 | 2470028 crzyhun
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You miserable wretch.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 17:42 | 2470178 Gully Foyle
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crzyhun

yep. It sucks to know the History of the nation one resides.

It sucks even worse to view that History from an honest detached vantage point.

On the positive side now you understand more than you did this morning when you woke up.

That should bring a smile to your face, turn that frown upside down.


Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:54 | 2470829 Lednbrass
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Seriously, why the hell do you stay here?

Why do you not return to the wretched hellhole that spawned you?

You arent from the US, if I recall correctly you came here by choice (unfortunately) and you do nothing but piss and moan incessantly. Why do you stay here and suck off of this country instead of returning to the benighted scumhole you crawled here from?

Why not go home and work out your mental illness with some Serbs? Damn shame they didnt save us the trouble of your presence, what a colossal waste the US intervention in that corner of the world was. The miserable hides of your sort really werent worth the trouble.

 

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:05 | 2470607 crzyhun
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I stand by my statement. And you still are a miseable wretch.  

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:44 | 2470670 Gully Foyle
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crzyhun

And now I will make myself an even further wretch.

There are many here who think US troops would never fire on US citizens.

But History shows us otherwise.

And according to some those olden troops, and peoples in general, were morally superior to we today.

That means when US troops actually once again fire on US citizens we can expect a complete and utter massacre.


Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:26 | 2470447 Freebird
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Hey GF, if a veteran has not got a flag to fight under what has he got?

Don't disagree with you per se but just save it for today, why don't you.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:37 | 2470662 Gully Foyle
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Freebird

Today is the day all war related ideation should be questioned.


Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:54 | 2470576 Optimusprime
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He has HIS PEOPLE to fight for, dimwit!  Stop fighting for the damned Jews and their racial sellout accomplices....

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:40 | 2470668 Gully Foyle
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Optimusprime

Yes the Jews are obviously to be blamed for every evil in the world.

Funny about those Jewish freedom Riders in the sixties, and really strange how some actually gave their lives for people they had never met before.

Colored folk at that.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:57 | 2469566 Fix It Again Timmy
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Patriotism and nationalism make people do stupid and often illegal things.  During the Middle Ages when the Church held considerable sway, many villagers ignored most edicts and just did what they needed to survive; we seriously need to stoop to their level today...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:09 | 2469418 tamboo
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1934

In January, staunch Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky, gives an update on Samuel Untermyer’s boycott of Germany when he makes the following statement, 

“The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every conference, in all labour unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share of this fight is of general importance.

We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany. Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews.”

Swiss banking secrecy laws are reformed and it becomes an offence resulting in imprisonment for any bank employee to violate bank secrecy. This is all in preparation for the Rothschild engineered Second World War in which as usual they will fund both sides.

In its June 20th issue, New Britain magazine of London, publishes a statement made by former British Prime Minister David Lloyd George in which he states that,

“Britain is the slave of an international financial bloc.”

The article also contains the following words written by Lord Bryce,

“Democracy has no more persistent and insidious foe than money power...questions regarding Bank of England, its conduct and its objects, are not allowed by the Speaker (of the House of Commons).”

In his book, “Jews Must Live,” published this year, Jewish writer, Samuel Roth states of the Jews,

“Our major vice of old, as of today, is parasitism. We are a people of vultures living on the labor and the good nature of the rest of the world. But, despite our faults, we would never have done so much damage to the world if it had not been for our genius for evil leadership. Granted our parasitism!”

 

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:33 | 2469325 Fix It Again Timmy
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There is a huge difference between the young people that fought the battle of the Warsaw Ghetto and the young Americans who fought in Vietnam - I was part of the latter group and was drafted.  Make sure you realize the difference......

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:18 | 2469448 frenchie
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recall that for those in the ghetto (where jews used to live by their own will since at least the Middle Ages) there were 2 "choices": die standing up or not... a few have chosen the first option... regarding the drafting... well somehow being a jew is already some form of drafting, isn't it ?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:44 | 2469343 williambanzai7
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Unfortunately, I don't think many people understand the difference.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:29 | 2469317 Sticks
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Very thoughtful, very wise.  Since WWII, the US has waged wars of choice against some of the poorest peoples of the earth for two reasons:  to advance the commercial interests of very narrow sectors of US society; and to advance the strategic interests of our national government, which have little to no correlation to the genuine interests of the American people. Millions dead, and many millions more wounded, displaced.  A terrible, terrible legacy for which all Americans should be deeply ashamed.

Remember this: not one US soldier has died in over 65 years to "protect your freedom".  Honor their families' loss, but get out the message you heard on this clip.  Don't enlist.  Don't serve.  Lay down your weapon.  Wage peace.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 02:08 | 2470874 Bringin It
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To back the global reserve currency with military force, sometimes they need to demonstrate that force or the threat becomes lame.  It was during the time when Viet Nam was being pulverized, nightly, on the news, that Nixon was able to end the gold window with minor repercussions.

End the Fed to end the corrupt Ponzi, the empire and all the illegal wars.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:28 | 2469314 blindman
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Time for a Different Activism
Memorial Day – Time to Ask Why
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/27/memorial-day-time-to-ask-why/
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Limited Rumors, As Much As We Are Allowed to Print
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/18/intel-dump-may-18-2012/

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:39 | 2469199 newengland
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Thank you, William. To wit:

"... For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy

                that, an' "Chuck 'im out, the
                brute!"
            But it's "Savior of 'is country,"
                when the guns begin to shoot;
            Yes it's Tommy this, an' Tommy
                that, an' anything you please;
            But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool
                --you bet that Tommy sees!
                        Rudyard Kipling from his poem 'Tommy' which speaks of the casual contempt meted out to the ordinary soldier by people who benefit from his/her sacrifice.

 George Orwell said at a later time: "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."  

The widow's uniform is not the soldier man's disgrace. Others ought to look to their souls for their cause of ongoing wars, instead of blaming those who defend their right to choose.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:36 | 2469330 tamboo
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IN FLANDERS FIELDS

 

In Flanders fields the poppies blow

Between the crosses, row on row,

That mark our place; and in the sky

The larks, still bravely singing, fly

Scarce heard amid the guns below.

 

 

We are the Dead. Short days ago

We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

Loved and were loved, and now we lie

In Flanders fields.

 

 

Take up our quarrel with the foe:

To you from failing hands we throw

The torch; be yours to hold it high.

If ye break faith with us who die

We shall not sleep, though poppies grow

In Flanders fields.

Jews Created Opium Trade - Hong Kong and The Sassoon Opium ...

 

The Synagogue of Satan 1821-1875. Thus, the Opium Wars begin with the British Army once again fighting as mercenaries for Rothschild interests. They attack cities and blockade ports.
Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:02 | 2469394 john39
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secret history of the opium wars in China...  Who was Sassoon?:

http://www.bearcanada.com/china/jewishmonopoly.html

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:25 | 2470532 taxpayer102
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@john39

Did not know about the destruction of Yuamningyuan in 1860 by the Brits.  Can't believe the priceless history they plundered or destroyed as revenge for the Chinese refusal to permit the importation of opium that was devastating China. Then the Brits setting up Hong Kong as a hub for criminal activities and giving the Jewish Sassoon family exclusive franchise to distribute opium in China.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:38 | 2469324 williambanzai7
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Clearly some of these people have no idea what it means when someone gives their life for their country. All the more reason to fight to preserve our founding principles instead of allowing the country to be hijacked by pinstriped gangstas and crony thieves.

I challenge any of those who don't understand what it means to visit Normandy and ask the local people what they think about the American military.

Moreover, you can wind up in one our shitty wars and still act honorably in the circumstances. It's very easy to sit on I high horse and say I didn't enlist. Mark my words, if those men and women were not there to enlist, there would be a draft before you could say the magic word: Kardashian.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:53 | 2469704 hangemhigh77
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And therefore the question that begs asking is WHY do we need a standing Army during peacetime?  Ask Eisenhower, he warned us, he was right  right right..  My son did 3 tours in Iraq, he has the Bronz Star w/ Valor and the Purple Heart.  He said Iraq is nothing more than one big crime scene.  he can't sleep at night, he wishes he had never joined, he hates the Army and he supports Ron Paul. He KNOWS the price these bastrad banksters take, he saw it with his own eyes.

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