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Cold War 2.0 Has Begun … In Syria
We noted in February:
The U.S. is supporting the Syrian opposition (and see this), considering military options for ousting the Syrian government, American allies Britain and Qatar allegedly already have foreign troops inside Syria, and the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for over 50 years.
Indeed, the United States is fighting on the same side as 3 terrorist groups in Syria.
Even Pat Buchanan asks:
If its good for Al Qaeda, can it be good for us?
Indeed, terrorist rebels have been responsible for much of the violence inside Syria. And outside monitors have confirmed that the situation on the ground is much different than it is being portrayed in the Western media. (And according to the large German newspaper FAZ, those recently massacred in Hama were on the same side as Syrian leader Assad).
Russia has repeatedly stated that it would consider an attack on Syria as an attack on its national security. (And Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that if the U.S. invades the sovereignty of countries like Syria, it could lead to nuclear war. And see this.)
Now, Russia is selling attack helicopters to the Syrian government, and defending the sales because the U.S. is supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government.
Cold War 2.0. And this time, China may participate.
Of course, Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years. So war in Syria could well drag Iran into a hot war.
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GW, here is an update regarding the US and Georgia.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20120615/174047695.html
Since when is real war cold war?
The kenyan pretender and Hitllary Clit'on clearly are not taking the russians seriously. Remember her, with her stupid little "reset button" gimmick several years ago? Russia is being isolated. When you back them into a corner, they will fight back. We could find ourselves here if not so careful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4
It's laughable that Obama and Hillary Clinton pretend to not be behind the spread of this violence in Syria, fanning it and intensifying it in as many ways as they can. Allowing and prompting civil atrocities to occur, and snowball, while providing the propaganda cover and momentum for it to increase. They know exactly what they are doing. They're not hands-on, they just issue the orders indirectly and pretend to know nothing of it all, but avidly hang on the briefs and feedback of their order's effects, while formulating every form of MSM distortion and hypocritical statement and false accusation, then repeating it, and repeating it.
"Why, we wouldn't do anathang liiike thaaaaAAAaaaaAAt!"
Bullshit!
Tell it to Damascus, Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah.
They are not dull distracted people, submerged in the prevailing indoctrinated western neo-mythology, they will have actually looked for and gathered physical evidences, developed Intel, made observations, discovered the planning of US and NATO involvements in Syria. They will have observed it first-hand, and be building a repository of what Washington, London and Paris have been up to in Syria, and elsewhere, and the gulf state 'allies' part in it.
What a bunch of grubs.
This activity can't be hidden any more,like in past decades, it will all come out, and everyone will see the US and NATO are up to their elbows in the civilian blood flowing in Syria today. Just like they were in Libya's "revolution". It wasn't a revolution at all, it was a western-backed insurgency with the aim of regime change, it was set from the start to pass itself off as a courageous and beleaguered popular revolt. There were numerous local reports of helicopter-inserted Western special forces, from a whole range of NATO countries, on the ground, from the very first days. Several of these teams were captured -- by both sides. Both sides discovered them operating on the ground, deep inside Libya!
And the same thing will be occurring in Syria, except they won't be so easily seen and caught this time, NATO learned from Libya, they adapted their tactics, they will use proxies instead in Syria, especially former Syrian militia. Just take them to Kosovo, train them on how to get-'er-done, make some vague promises of future position and recompense, then re-insert them as a proxy special-force militia.
NATO has had 18-months to identify candidates, take them out to train them in Special ops coordination and to relay useable intel, then put them back in again. And it's paying propaganda dividends. But they are not fooling most of the Syrian people, or the Syrian military, and they are not fooling the other big players, or the big militias.
The true story of what Hitler did to conjure a border farce and a propaganda pretext to invade Poland did come out in due course. And even before that EVERYONE could see what Hitler really was doing.
ACTIONS ... not words.
And the true story of the actions of the USA, Britain and France, and NATO as a whole, for they are absolutely all involved in this, none of them are innocent, this will all emerge, in due course.
And then we can finally hang these malevolent power-hungry, greed-loving, power-tripping, war-mongering CFR-fluffing, globalised mass-murdering parasites, who kill en-mass for pleasure and profit.
Your day will come Barry, Hillary, for just as with Hitler, everyone can see what you're ACTIONS are, and it won't take long for the first-hand accounts and observations and evidence of all this to trundle out as well.
Control of the Internet is as much about managing such cover-ups and limitation of such info, as it is about spying on everyone - isn't it Barry? Copyright etc., just the strawman you dangle out there to try and get it through.
This isn't the 1980s any more Barry. The tactics of, "I'm and old dude so I don't recall", is not going to get you off.
Justice will have to be SEEN to be done, and that means you, and your fellow war-criminals, doing the giggly-dangly ... to camera.
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People who tell you good is evil, and evil is good, look around, you won't have to look far.
Evil prospers only when ordinary people don't speak very plainly and openly against the people doing it.
I have been wondering when Russia and/or China would finally take notice regarding US seizure and control of Middle East oil. It is clear as day that US domination of Middle East oil would be used against both China and Russia.
@George
If you ever want to get the Nuclear Shits - watch Threads.. a 1984 BBC remake of a earlier (also very scary 1960s Docu Film)
The Science of a Nuclear Winter is very iffy these days but still the Nuclear strike scene is close to the mark as I imagine it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQo0BQM3OlQ
"If its good for Al Qaeda, can it be good for us?"
Is Chevrolet a division of General Motors? Is al Quaeda a division of The Company?
Syria
is about to get facebooked...
Oh goodie! I miss the 1.0 cold war. Even the James Bond movies had better plots with movies like "From Russia with Love" etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UajWQbXDblI#!
How America became a Corporation known as THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
I do not see that upon a reading of the Treaty of Paris.
I'm not defending Assad by any means, however we are constantly being fed misinformation by MSM and our politicians are as usual practicing double standards. It is well reported that the West has financed, armed and trained the SFA, it is also known that Western military forces are on the ground. Syria arrested 23 French soldiers in March. So taking Libya as a template, the Western military will be directing the activities of the SFA. So, when atrocities occur, if the SRA are responsible, then shouldn't the people directing them be held accountable? A war crime is a war crime regardless of what side commits it.
In relation to the Houla massacre, it was, in all likelihood, committed by US sponsored death squads under the "Salvador Option for Syria". The deaths of civilians have been casually blamed by the Western media on the Al Assad government and the incident is being used as pretext for a "humanitarian" R2P intervention by NATO. Outright media fabrications, including the manipulation of images by the BBC suggest that the Syrian government was not behind the massacre:
The stories printed in MSM (because they are not factual news) are intended to manipulate public opinion to support Syrian intervention However, I think a very thick red line needs to be drawn when our media are covering up and openly misreporting the heinous crime of civilian massacres in order to gain public support for regime change which is really about providing security for Israel by isolating Iran and cutting of its only route to the Mediterranean, and neutralizing the Lebanon and Hezbollah so the Palestinians are left without any protection from Israel. The whole Arab Spring was about increasing Israeli security by destabilising everyone else in the region. If our Government and media told the truth about what they are using our tax money for, they know they wouldn't get public support. However, committing mass murder to get public support is something that the War Crimes Commission should be acting upon.
Many journalists, editors, and other news people deserve to be executed for their part in this. Ordinary Syrians have been murdered. Western leaders, their backers, and their lackies, must be held accountable.
When a Shia kills a Sunni it is because the evi USA-Zionist NWO made them do it. When a Sunni kills a Shia it is because the evil USA-Zionist NWO made thme do it.
Never not once it is the Koran that makes them kill each other. The Koran has nothing to do with Muslims killing, nothing at all.
One could apply that same logic to the Gangster Disciples and Vice-Lords!
Rahm?
Cold war did not start now in Syria.
It started in Munich appx. 10 or 12 years ago. Mr. Putin was giving a speech at the Munich security conference. Listening to Mr. Putin in the auditorium were: G.W. Bush, Rumsfield, and I think Blair too.
Putin explained in his public speech to the highest officials in a very blunt way, that the West can have a Cold War again if they want to have it. The reasons for his angry speech were manifold. US/Nato agression against the interests of Russia in the Kaukasus (Georgia, Czechenia), in the Ukraine trying to wrestle this important country away from Russia, with the final goal to take away from Russia the highly important Crimea, which is a part of southern Ukraine. Russia has fought through centuries for the Crimean Peninsula. Its soaked with Russian blood. Last time in the so called Crimean War - a war in Crimea between Russia and a group of nations including England and France and Turkey 1853-1856. (This peninsula is since then home to the Black Sea fleet of Russia. From there ithe Russian Navy is shipping today the supply for Syria.) Not to mention Putins anger about the plans to station US troops in Poland and Czechia to install the ABM (Anti ballastic missile) shield. All these steps were very agressive against Russia.
Bush and Rumsfield were looking stupid while listening to Putin. They made never a step towards Russia. They were always and ever strifing to dominate Russia and to break it up. So its their fault what is happening now in my opinion. The US led Nato wants dominance but not cooperation.
You forgot to include this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Pristina_airport
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A prime example of how brain-washed, myopic, unbelievable moronic, pride-driven, and psychopathically belligerent Generals can be - on both sides mind you.
But the US military in particular. I wonder if a certain ego-on-legs dickhead in the white house ordered Clark to do it though?
Havent heard about that but what is also a fact, that the US led bombardment in Serbia which included the capitol Belgrade destroyed the Chinese Embassy at that time, killing several Chinese and that the US never apologized for these killings.
Kosovo and Libia are very much comparble with Syria only there the US and the UK is staying cowardly away from direct actions because Syria has modern weapons. I believe they have modern Russian rockets which are able to destroy war ships. Land to sea rockets and of course portable rockets to attack jet fighter plane.
Lybia did not have this kind of weapons. I remember a story in the news appx one year before the Libia operation started. There was a ship from Russia on its way to Libia, but it was hijacked on its way. This ship was full of arms. In the end the ship never reached Libia thus Gadafi had no modern weapons to fight the Nato air attacks and to attack the Nato war ships in front of Lybias coast.
This is different in Syria I believe. A direct attack would be answered adequately thus causing the loss of live of many US and Nato soldiers. And it could trigger a nuclear contamination in the Mediterrean Sea (poor Greece which is close by). Just think about the possibility that a US or UK battle ship carrying nuclear arms is hit by one or two rockets of the Exocet style (a French product) but Im sure the Rusians have similar arms or even better nowadays. It was during the Falkland war twenty years ago, when one Exocet rocket from the Argentine army made a direct hit at a UK warship carrying nuclear ams. With the result that the ship nearly went down and many soldier died. And this ship carried nuclear arms. And this was just one rocket with a technology from the old days.
Maybe Syria has also rockets from China which demonstrated their capbilities not long ago in a public made war game. Such a rocket is capable to hit a faraway ship from land with high precision. And such system does not need a fixed instalation. Its relative easy to move from one place to the other which makes it difficult to locate. And to my knowledge there exists till now no really effective"" anti ballistic misisile system" to protect the war ships. They are like siting ducks fo these rocket attacks. This is the difference between Libia and Syria. Syria has a military potential with modern weapons purchased from Russia and maybe China and this is hindering the US to go ahead like in Libia.
This shows clearly once more, that a country is only then save from direct military intervention by the US, for the case it has the firepower of modern weapons, at best nuclear arms. This is, as sad as it is, the only language the US/UK neocolonial policy understands. Pressure is always producing counter pressure, with the result that only a country with nuclear arms is really safe from a US led attack.
It is true, the US is very respectful towards Russia. During the brief Russian-Georgian War of 2008, the US pulled all its military advisers back to the safety of the Tbilisi Sheraton Hotel!
Mark Ames thinks that it was the high water mark of the American empire
http://www.alternet.org/world/112457/that_was_no_small_war_in_georgia_--...
So few are capable of seeing the importance of the brief and decisive Georgian-Israeli-U.S. merk defeat.
Wars in the middle east are only about two things: Oil or Water. Which one do you think is more important? Hint: without water everybody will die in two weeks.
Why did Israel invade Syria and occupy the Golan Heights in 1967? Because of its nice view? No, because it is a source of fresh water. Invading southern Lebanon? Water again.
And the current conflict? Pull up google maps and search for Lake Al Assad. See how big that freshwater lake is? The Israelis are salivating all over that fresh lake. They need and want more water.
FOLLOW THE FRESH WATER. It is the source of nearly all wars in the middle east.
George Orwell
True. Most of Israel's fresh water flows into it from Lebanon and Syria. In an article in 2002, Ariel Sharon said that hostilities leading to the the Arab-Israeli wars actually started in 1964 after Israel began taking water from the Jordan River for its civil water supplies. Sharon wrote this article as a warning against Lebanon regarding conflicts over water in the Litani River, from which water is piped from Lebanon to Israel, and Hasbani River, a Lebanese river that is a tributary of the Jordan. Israel, reportedly, has planted mines around Wazzani Springs from which the Hasbani River is fed, and Lebanese farmers have been killed by these mines while attempting to pipe water for irrigation - even though Israel has its own irrigation projects using Habani River water. The water issue is largely ignored by MSM.
Israel invaded Syria in 1967????
Israel drove the invading Syrians back into Syria and secured the Golan Heights to make it difficult for the Syrians and their surrogate muzzie thugs in Lebanon to invade Israel again and/or to rain missiles down on Israel from those advantageous heights.
You are trying to rewrite history.
hootowl.
Wrong. Israel DID invade - refer to the "Six Day War"
You are thinking of the next go-around - the "Yom Kippur War" of 1973.
RTFH
Disagree, I think the main thing is tribes. Sunni versus Shi'a versus Alawite versus Marronite versus Coptic etc etc. Nations are just layered on top of the religious/tribal identities. Little babies with their throats slit? How else do you explain a hatred like that, so deep and so dark. All because they disagree on three little verses in the Koran from 1400 years ago.
The US has no clue what they're fucking with here, they didn't in Lebanon (Reagan), they didn't in Bosnia, they didn't in Iraq (70 killed yesterday by bombs), they didn't in Afghanistan. Then they blew up Libya and now they are at each others throats, nice going.
The US still thinks it's a "war", some gentleman's game with battle lines and weapons systems and supply lines. This is neighbor against neighbor shit...we should be staying miles away from these horrible places, let them all kill each other.
The US would rather have a country be a wasteland of sectarian strife than be united in oppostion to US/Israel.
The US has no clue what they're fucking with here,
They know exactly what they're fucking with. Destroy Iraq as a threat to US/Nato/Israel? Check. Libya? Check. Syria's next - conquer, or divide and then no need to conquer. And then they'll almost certainly go for Iran.
Israel occupied the Golan Heights because those are the HEIGHTS and had been a major attack route in every previous battle.
Were the Romans involved in wars in the middle east because of oil? Or water? Your concept is flawed and fails to recognize the annimosity between Sunni and Shia. Heck, they each regularly blow up the Mosques of the other sect.
There is no "cold war", America surrendered and went Socialist, this is only a minor skirmish where America and Russia team up to loot Syria of every last dime they have.
Next there will be a Muslim revolution in Syria, all assets will be transferred to the state with titles "washed" by nationalization followed by a renaissance of govt looting followed by demands for "privatization" where the banker bombers will be gleefully ready to trade paper for assets at firesale prices to "rescue" the starving Syrian people.
There is no "cold war", America surrendered and went Socialist, this is only a minor skirmish where America and Russia team up to loot Syria of every last dime they have.
Next there will be a Muslim revolution in Syria, all assets will be transferred to the state with titles "washed" by nationalization followed by a renaissance of govt looting followed by demands for "privatization" where the banker bombers will be gleefully ready to trade paper for assets at firesale prices to "rescue" the starving Syrian people.
Syria has nothing to loot. Assad exists now as an Iranian poodle.
zerohedge needs to have harder questions to be able to join. To many post on this thread by 90% retarded people. I am amazed they are even on this site.
It's full retard or nothing here! Fight Club is verbiagizing© the world around us. Now, fuck off.
Also, it's TOO many. Now still fuck off, 90%'er.
How can someone be 90% retarded?
Clearly, you are unfamiliar with Barney Frank, Paul Krugman, Steve LIESman, Jon Nadler, or the 43rd president of the United States.
Let's start with "when do you use the word 'to' and when do you use the word 'too'?
Hey, give the guy a break. I think he was including himself in the "90% retarded people."
I don't think he was trying to score irony points with the 'serf'er either
How sad is that? So sad I won't even give him a red arrow.
I´m not so sure that the Syrian government will win this civil war even if the rebels will not get the same support as the rebels in Libya. The ruling Alawi minority constitutes a mere 10-15 % of the population.
I suspect that the best solution for Syria would be to break up the country and divide it fairly between the different ethnic, religious and political groups. Perhaps the Alawis, Christians and other minorities should get a part of western Syria. Secular Sunnis could get central parts of Syria. Non-secular Sunnis could perhaps get eastern Syria.
Perhaps the UN the superpowers should also consider to grant an amnesty for Syrian leaders that now are accused for war crimes. It would probably be easier to persuade them to give up if get an amnesty and if they get at least some of their frozen assets back. I doubt they will give up voluntarily if that means execution or life in prison.
My impression is also that some people outside Syria want the Syrians to fight each other rather than a break up and a fair distribution of the land.
So, ya wanna Balkanise Syria, eh?
We should break up sweden too, let the black-sambos have half of it, and give another quarter to the moose or something (they do have moose? ... whatever).
Just putting it out there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization
"I suspect that the best solution for Syria"
Would be to let them work that shit out themselves.
"Perhaps the UN the superpowers should also consider"
Not getting involved, and letting them work that shit out themselves.
We got 'em right where they want us. An overextended military, a broken financial system and "questionable" leadership in place.
Cold War 2 my a$$!
Civil war my ass too.
It's a Western funded, supplied and trained insurgency of a sovereign UN member state.
It's the invasion you are having when you are not having an invasion.
cold war movies were better than the flag waving drivle they are making now
so i'm all for cold world war 2 or world war three
just so long as the movies are better
now what time does dancing with the stars come on?
Indeed. John Le Carre can get back to writing proper books again.
Geo Wash would cut and paste from a Le Carre novel as if it was factual.
Fiction = Geo Wash, ever since it found that there was money to be made from posting the Matt Simmons nonsense about the Macondo well blowout. It swallowed to much Sigsby Salt.
Looks like the rhetoric from that blabbermouth hitlery cliton is just what it is...blabbery!
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20847121/russia-denies-sending...
Not supporting this site or socialism, but this might be a more important story to report on if it is true.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/rusy-j12.shtml
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see
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j13.shtml
Houla massacre carried out by Free Syrian Army, according to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitunghttp://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/Escobar.html
Pepe Escobar, of the Asia Times, a Brazilian has excellent sources, background
for Syrian and Iranian events
We buy the same choppers and send them to the Afghans. Russia is supplying the Syrians AND our "allies" in the AFPAK theatre.
So, Vlad earns both ways.
However, the SCOAMF is so hubristic (?) he may think he can get away with a military assault on Syria. This is not a good idea, as Vlad has no respect for the SCOAMF.
I think it's too easy here for a miscalculation. Of course, TPTB could care less if 2 billion people get smoked, it's more stuff for them. Maybe that's their plan (posted on the Georgia Guidestones for all to see).
Dig a shelter. 18" of concrete and dirt should protect you.
Ka-Boom!