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Cold War 2.0 Has Begun … In Syria
We noted in February:
The U.S. is supporting the Syrian opposition (and see this), considering military options for ousting the Syrian government, American allies Britain and Qatar allegedly already have foreign troops inside Syria, and the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for over 50 years.
Indeed, the United States is fighting on the same side as 3 terrorist groups in Syria.
Even Pat Buchanan asks:
If its good for Al Qaeda, can it be good for us?
Indeed, terrorist rebels have been responsible for much of the violence inside Syria. And outside monitors have confirmed that the situation on the ground is much different than it is being portrayed in the Western media. (And according to the large German newspaper FAZ, those recently massacred in Hama were on the same side as Syrian leader Assad).
Russia has repeatedly stated that it would consider an attack on Syria as an attack on its national security. (And Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that if the U.S. invades the sovereignty of countries like Syria, it could lead to nuclear war. And see this.)
Now, Russia is selling attack helicopters to the Syrian government, and defending the sales because the U.S. is supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government.
Cold War 2.0. And this time, China may participate.
Of course, Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years. So war in Syria could well drag Iran into a hot war.
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I say - fuck them. We do not need to stick our nose in their fucked up world as though ours isnt.
"America it's them bad Russians.
Them Russians them Russians and them Chinamen. And them Russians."
- Allen Ginsberg, America
If a drug addled paedophile is your moral compass, you have much bigger problems than the Russians and the Chinese.
"If a drug addled paedophile is your moral compass, you have much bigger problems than the Russians and the Chinese."
So . . . . you can conclude that a deceased poet is another person's "moral compass" based upon the quotation of two lines from one of his pieces.
I'm starting to buy into that 90% retarded posters business.
GiNsberg is fuckin jew
Four people don't know who Allen Ginsberg is.
It's not the Sunni against the Shia, if it were, there would be no problem. The problem is the Wahhabi's, and they are made possible only by their sponsor, the Saudi government, and they have this capability because the United States not only protects them, but showers them with money, which is then used to shove a rifle up America's collective ass. Actually, Russia and China seem to have a much more cognizant understanding of the situation on the ground that Hillary or Barack. But then, these two have been and will continue to lie to America because that is what they are there for, exploit Americans and treat them like slaves and mushrooms.
Armeggeddon here we come. Temple Mount? Destroyed by Wahhabi's. Know what that means? The Wahhabi's take Jerusalem. How do you like them babies? No? The either get used to it, or get off your butt's and take back Congress at www.nar2012.com and coming soon, www.electanewcongress.com. Light a candle on Labor Day from 7 to 8 pm and think about taking back America. If you don't think you want to do it now, wait a week or two and think about it again.
The Wahabbi sect is Islamist Imperial Sunni.
Hizbollah is Islamist Imperialist Shia.
Hizbollah is supported by Iran through Syria and controls Lebanon.
Opposition to Assad is many factions, supported by Saudi through Turkey.
Martyrdom is welcomed on both sides. It is a fight to the death in a faceoff of Iran vs. Saudi, Shia vs Sunni.
I positively HATE wahabbi, especially when those sly Oriental devils try to hide it in my sushi!
I have a good Syrian friend that immigrated, legally, to the US in 2004, now a US Citizen. He still has family in Syria in the south of Syria, relatively peaceful, until lately, kidnappings. He said there is a lot of tension in Syria.
Them damn Syrians need to buy good ol' Murican helicopters if they know whats good for em.
Plus we'll throw in free floor mats and a Spiderman beach towel.
Match that, Putin.
Now this may actually stimulate the economy. Side A buys helicopters from Russia, so side B needs rocket launcheres from the USA, and some small arms.
Side A needs the ability to detect the rocket launchers so they buy thermal tech from China.
Side B decides to shoot those fucking helicopters down from the sky and buys planes and more sophisticated missles from the USA.
Ahh... to be an arms dealer in the middle east must be a fine life. Stir up some shit and chose a side.
Chief
"Stir up some shit and chose a side."
Pssha, you must be an amateur. The pros choose both sides. ; )
John Wilmot said:
...and lend to them.
Busy thread, as usual...
Funny that no one notices that the countries in the crosshairs of late,
for turmoil and mayhem seem to have (had) a common trait..
An idependant Central Bank..
Hmmm
"Side B decides to shoot those fucking helicopters down from the sky and buys planes and more sophisticated missles from the USA."
With side B eventually selling some of them on the black market to possibly be used against US military or civilian planes at some point in the future. And, actually, both the Russians and the Chinese have some very capable MANPADS in their current versions, so those may end up leaking out, too.
Leaking manpads? Ewww...
Brotex?
I never claimed this was a perfect scenario.
Chief
russia needs conflict... more conflict = higher oil prices. $100 Brent is Russias base-case for their budget assumptions for 2012. its a cold-oil-war...
....Saudis on the other hand would like to see Brent in $90s... it really dings Iran massively who is a regional threat.
..Tug-o-war...
Hard to see any point. Save the usual US citizen duplicity.
Not so long ago, US citizens supported similar groups in Libya, which enacted an ethnical cleansing, US citizen style, on behalf of humanity.
US citizens have a troubled relationship to the past but well, that Libya story was in the very recent past.
The question to be asked: are those allied groups proper material for US citizenism? If yes, then good. If no, well...
Syria shall result into another US citizenism dominated country. So more US citizens to tap from.
AnAnonymous Is it asking too much that you begin to branch out a wee bit from this dreary theme and reply with rational sequences of collected thoughts that enlighten the discussion?
Jus sayin ... you might even enjoy the change, and say something novel.
Please allow me to feast on the veritable banquet of irony here, with this coming from the "person" (bot, troll, gold medal-winning Chicom Olympic spamming team) who has repeatedly claimed that the pre-contact inhabitants of Easter Island were destroyed by his mythical and idiotic "US Citizenism" literally centuries before the USA ever became a nation, and long before it was even founded! Talk about your blobbing-up of idiocy and egregious lies!
There is simply no wrong nor ill nor evil in the world that this blindly collectivist, hate-filled, prejudiced troll can not and will not lay at the feet of ALL Americans under the guise of his nonsensical "US Citizenism". His hatred for EVERY American has been displayed on literally hundreds of occasions now, and anyone upvoting this vile Chinese roadside trolling turd is as equally contemptible as is he/they.
Rhino horn-grinding Chinese Citizenism physician, heal thyself!
akak said:
Perhaps the term you're seeking for our French Indo-Chinese Antarctic citizenism citizen(s) is 'trollodex'.
I prefer "Parangons of Offuscating Trollistic Blob-Uppery" myself.
One cannot deny the eternal nature of the phenomenum of parangonistic up-blobbing trollery offuscation. It is the judicious mettle of dangdang firmly.
The Bush policies are looking better and better. Obummer has replaced regeims of slaughter with more slaughter. Notice that there are actually operating profitable businesses in Iraq.
This is not a replay of the Cold War.
It is a conflict between the two sects of Islam, Sunni and Shia.
There cannot be a negotiated peaceful settlement of the differences when the two sides are committed to fighting to the death.
Only a lie needs to be defended.
The truth just remains true, doesn't need supporters at all.
They're fighting about what again?
Augustus, you cannot be wrong more...
The details of the rationale for this new US intervention in the Middle East really don't matter. Is it about eliminating a Russian ally? Is it about provoking the much sought after war with Iran (and thus about oil and the petrodollar system)? Is it about further inciting sectarian conflict as part of a broader divide and conquer strategy?
The bottom line is that the Syrian regime is not sufficiently submissive to US demands, whatever those demands might be, whatever the motives behind those demands might be, and therefore the regime must be replaced. It's as simple as that. The absence of a puppet regime in a nation is sufficient cause these days for the US to do regime change in that nation.
Look at a map of the world and identify the nations that sometimes or regularly defy the US. Those nations will either yeild or eventually experience regime change. First they try "persuation" of the existing regime (sanctions, bribes, etc), then covert overthrow (CIA), then overt overthrow (militarty invasion). The only limiting factor is public opinion in the US, but that can always be moulded "nearer to the heart's desire," just a matter of time.
"The only limiting factor is public opinion in the US" ...
lol
The Sheeple think a no-fly zone is using a Bug Zapper on a 4th of July barbeque.
The religious aspect is pure "tatemae". The real "honne" is about failed imperial policies. And oil of course. Don't fall for the lie aboot religion which is as false as the difference between dems and reps
George you really are a pathetic chicken little.
when your girlfriend farts do you scold her for releasing methane into the atmosphere?
Augustus
It's about that damn Russian base in Syria. It's about completing a line against Russia and China. It's about destabilizing a region so TPTB can manipulate the rescources.
It's about strong leaders/nations making western powers look weak and vulnerable.
Nothing TPTB does is for a single reason or goal.
Believe what you wish.
Iran has the oil wealth to send arms to Syria and support Assad.
The Saudi regeim has the wealth to send arms to Turkey to attempt to oust the Assad regeim. US is aligned with Saudi against Iran and the Hezzies.
Ruskies have always been the Syrian arms supplier and Iranian supporters. If they lose Syria, they lose the Hezzie base in Lebanon also.
It is a larger front in the Shia - Sunni conflict of 1,000 years. Head chopper vs Head chopper, everyone dead is a revered martyr, receiving the early reward from the Prophet Mo. It is little different from the Spanish Civil War. In this case it is Shia vs Sunni, as it was earlier with Hitler vs. Stalin.
well done analysis:
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/06/syria-is-spanish-civil-war-of-our-time.html?utm_source=The+Lid+List&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5c2b6f4a4f-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail
The yid view?... might even make some valid points, but I'm not going to bother reading it.
Call me paranoid but I don't trust anything a Jew in any media format says, even good ones.
They have systematically abused public discussion too much to be taken seriously.
And unfortunately many of them write under an assumed name (maybe George Washington?!!!!? lol).
Better to work it out yourself, or accept you can't, and know your own ignorance and limitation, than to be 'informed' by a Jewish media 'source', and imagine you were 'informed', rather than subtlety and systematically mislead by the nose.
... for the priviledge of ridding the world of the rest of the infidels.
The US Gov can't even identify the problems in the country they govern - let alone solve them.
But damn it, they know exactly what's wrong in other countries and just how to fix it.
Too bad they can't print more of other people's kids - the world could be perfect.
That is the priviledge of US citizens and hijacking humanity.
STFU
His word count is down. Maybe he's getting tired.
Start blobbing up, now!
This is what AnAnononymousism does--hijack threads. It's the nature of AnAnononymousism to shit on the side of the thread to cause discussion to start blobbing up.
Escapeclaws said:
Confusious say: "Like a perpetually defecating zombi, AnAnonymousistic threadside crapping and blobbing up is part of the eternal nature of French Indo-Chinese Antarctic citizenism."
it may not be artificial intelligence, but surely is natural stupidityism. - Ned
My money is on artificial stupidity.
Make me laugh!
'Now, Russia is selling attack helicopters to the Syrian government, and defending the sales because the U.S. is supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government.'
This was a fabrication, so far as I've seen it has been denied by the Russians and US.
The only thing that is being stepped up is the propaganda.
Oh come on, it comes from a very respected and credible source, Hillary Clinton, the Sarajevo snipper-ally survivor.
She probably just mis-spoke ... it happens ... ... a lot.
Wait for friday, major FFlag op is scheduled,Thierry Meysan saying...
The SALE has been denied. So has "responsibility for shipping." not the existence of the Helicopters moron. Interestingly "US Senator asks why US is buying Russian helicopters for use in Afghanistan." for all you know WE PAID FOR THEM.