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Cold War 2.0 Has Begun … In Syria
We noted in February:
The U.S. is supporting the Syrian opposition (and see this), considering military options for ousting the Syrian government, American allies Britain and Qatar allegedly already have foreign troops inside Syria, and the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for over 50 years.
Indeed, the United States is fighting on the same side as 3 terrorist groups in Syria.
Even Pat Buchanan asks:
If its good for Al Qaeda, can it be good for us?
Indeed, terrorist rebels have been responsible for much of the violence inside Syria. And outside monitors have confirmed that the situation on the ground is much different than it is being portrayed in the Western media. (And according to the large German newspaper FAZ, those recently massacred in Hama were on the same side as Syrian leader Assad).
Russia has repeatedly stated that it would consider an attack on Syria as an attack on its national security. (And Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that if the U.S. invades the sovereignty of countries like Syria, it could lead to nuclear war. And see this.)
Now, Russia is selling attack helicopters to the Syrian government, and defending the sales because the U.S. is supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government.
Cold War 2.0. And this time, China may participate.
Of course, Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years. So war in Syria could well drag Iran into a hot war.
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HungrySeagull said:
Why not just load up all the spent fuel rods into a fleet of C5As and drop them across the entire northern hemisphere? That would accomplish the same thing.
A nuclear bomb won't blast a fresh, clean environment into Japan. A nuclear explosion won't magically "burn up" the radioactive waste at Fukushima. All it will do is turn it into dust-sized particles while propelling it into the stratosphere, allowing it to blanket the planet with radioactivity.
I'm not sure what you mean by "a few weeks of radioactive fallout" being easy to bear. The hundreds of tons of radioactive dust gradually falling to the ground would be mostly Cesium-137 and Strontium-90, each with a half life of around 30 years. The air, soil, and water would be poisoned for several hundred years, so your estimate of a few weeks is off by several orders of magnitude.
the blood drinking indonesian citizen and his sidekick hitlery are hellbound to topple another regime in its quest for world dominion....blood and oil, blood and oil, go together like a horse and carriage, satan was told by soetoro, you can't have one without the other
the usa and its paranoid redneck cia thugs calculated years ago that the correlation of forces favored the usa for only so long. thus if they were to secure the middle east as their own oil pool, they would have to act now and boldly before the sino-russo alliance could pose a credible counterweight....
there are more lies and treachery emanating from washington than from hitler's bomb shelter...
Aint it grand to be led to our deaths by a bunch of richy rich fucking morons that have the attitude "If I can't have it all no one can"?
Fuck the US gov't. By that I mean fuck the assholes that have hijacked the US and use our $ and power for Operation Global Gobble. They'll have this entire country in complete ruins for this idiotic non-attainable quest.
And the drum beat continues, but the dogs of war will not be truly fed until Israel and Iran go at it. This is only preview, The main show is about to begin. And of-course the USA will be in the middle of it and blow more money that we do not have.
some of the people i work with were scratching their heads last night trying to figure how the looming war in Syria and Iran could possibly be in the U.S. intrest. I had to laugh, as if that was even a relevant consideration.
FOLLOW THE MONEY !!
Bombs, radar, jets, cigarettes, Gaga videos... whatever.
I had a friend the other day call me a conspiracy theorist because I believed the government was complicit in the 911 attacks. He thinks I'm a fool because and I'm quoting verbatim here......."what could we possibly gain from that!?!?!".
One more false flag and the entire population will fall into line. I guarantee it.
Whatever happened to drive the 9-11 attacks is water under the bridge.
What continues to fascinate me even to this day was how the towers were able to absorb a jet at mach .65 or higher and buy time for those to get out, that were able to.
I have seen the burning pile with my own eyes by night crossing the GW and frankly as far as I am concerned, whatever the US Government deems the enemy, they know best.
frankly as far as I am concerned, whatever the US Government deems the enemy, they know best.
Well, just keep your nose clean and hope they don't deem you the enemy. Because we seem to be entering an era of shoot first, ask questions later.
It is not for the hopeless that we fight but for the liberty which allows them to be.
Hmmm, "It is not for the ignorant sheeple that we fight but for the liberty which allows them to be."
My humble version of a good quote.
Why do I have a feeling this is going to explode right when the Olympics start?
Oh, this is custom made for the Olympics! Not only this situation, but the heat brewing in Europe as they start to close borders, cut immigration and generally blame Arabs for the ills of the world.
Sarajevo blew up after the Olympics there.
In this Olymics, Britain is taking over a few flat buildings by mounting Ack ack systems on top and soldiers inside.
Begun? The last one never ended. I'd disagree with the term "cold" too as others have. A lot of people have died on both sides because of it.
The USSR lost the cold war in 1989.
The USSA is losing the cold war now.
We're losing a peace.
Those 19 crazy Arabs and FAA sabotage (deciding not to lock the cokpits after the Christmas 1994 suicide-hijacking of Air France 8969) don't count as a war. Not by a long shot. Calling it a war was useful to allow Dick Cheney and his gang to plunder the Treasury.
You mean killing innocent Muslims was never the plan?
TheFourthStooge-ing
You have taken a step in the right direction.
Look at Russian History since the collapse.
Notice where they stand today, stronger and better geopolitically positioned.
Now you see the vector planned for the upcoming US reset.
Putin ain't playin'.............
you may be right
Russia prepares army for Syrian deploymenthttp://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/rusy-j12.shtml
It's going to come down to this Moscow "P5 +1" meeting, in which Moscow is insisting Iran must be present and a part of the meeting, or else there is no point to having it.
i.e. this is the diplomatic option, before a proxy-war clash occurs between the giant powers (and keep in mind, this includes China).
Iran must be included mind you ... not Syria.
Russia is identifying Iran as belonging to another power class, not a giant power, but a big power, that's in a unique position to do unimaginable damage to every other power.
The big-power subtext of this demanded inclusion of Iran is that this is a crisis meeting between the worlds largest military powers, and Germany is coming to sit in on it and contribute, for it is also a big power (and clearly capable of nuclear-arms), ... and ... now ... also ... Iran must be included.
Russia is thus saying to all these other big powers;
"Hey, face it, Iran is becoming one of us. Now let's talk about this in a civilised intelligent way, and avoid a devastating war between big power's and proxies."
And Washington, London and Paris really don't want to hear this or face up to this reality.
They want to bomb Iran .... so damn bad.
Russia is thus implicitly warning them all that if you do -- it's going to be ON -- really ON!
Syria is just one proxy element in this 'discussion', it is not in fact the primary or driving reason for the meeting.
It is only natural that Moscow will increase readiness of rapid deployment forces, in case a proxy battle is insufficent and direct intervention by a giant power backed by tactical nukes becomes necessary to settle it.
As they already said, this could lead even to a nuclear exchange. It would be very unwise to think they don't mean it. It may take five years for that to occur, that is what they are saying.
Damascus is not going to be permitted to be overthrown by a western-backed and trained rabble.
A Hot war with Syria/Iran will be the final call when you know it's time to head for the mountains, but you need to be prepared and have plans before that happens, it's just going to be time to act, liquidate everything you can liquidate, fill up your non-perishable stockpile to the max, get all your matters in order and be ready to go at a moment's notice, that does not mean you actually need to travel or run if you have a (fallout)bunker in your backyard that will do to :)
No mountains for us.
There is just a matter of blast, heat and other effects should certain targets near us get taken out properly.
Go where?
I don't think Boise, ID is very high on ANY countries military targets list.
Our greatest danger will be our "fellow Americans" running HERE!
I say move/run in a metaphorical sense, what I mean by this is Be Prepared to do what's necessary it might involve changing of location or not
There are no borders with radioactive fallout..
And note the half life of some of that sh*t..
Good luck...
I vividly remember 1989 when everyone breathed a huge sigh of relief that the world probably wasn't going to blow itself up after all. When the US had deployed Perishing II missiles to central Europe with a 5-minute warning window before they hit Moscow. And we wonder why they will not just shut the fuck up while the west builds an anti-nuclear ballistic missile shield right beside their Western border? (i.e. their western-front)
We're right back to square-1 now, because the military industrialists are calling the shots when defining the 'threat'.
Take a step back and look at it.
It is these 'threat' and 'security' definers who are our mutual threat.
It is their lies, distortions, myths and warping of international relations and public discourse that constitutes our predominant mortal 'strategic' threat right now.
Dealing with that is how and where any new cold-war is going to be defused.
Azannoth
Dude, under the scenario you postulate NOWHERE will be safe.
Sure you may die a little slower than everyone else, but in the end you are still dead.
Dying a little slower is what I am aiming at ;)
V. WHAT THE THUNDER SAID
After the torch-light red on sweaty faces
After the frosty silence in the gardens
After the agony in stony places
The shouting and the crying
Prison and place and reverberation
Of thunder of spring over distant mountains
He who was living is now dead
We who were living are now dying
With a little patience
I heard somewhere: "On a long enough timeline..." just sayin' ;-)
- Ned
there are reports that Iranian troops are in Syria
for the dead dissidents, dead protestors, dead journalists, dead rebels, dead hajj travelers and their families it isn't a "cold war"
bugs_:
ya mean like Hezb'Allah? Or Qds force?
y'think?
- Ned
I see you've been reading World Net Daily and Jerusalem Post again, darn it!
my puppy for prez
Dude, both sides need armed and require "advisors".
Where do you think each is getting support?
Pick a side in Syria and discover who is most likely a supply line.
And remember that intelligence agencies play both sides for various reasons, including maintaining on the ground intelligence rescources and creating potential situations which can be manipulated for the media.
None of it is clear cut.
U.S./Nato/Israel is behind the unrest and all have blood on their hands. this is an illegal farce orchestrated by a bunch of banker puppet thugs. Assad may not be an angel, but no outside interest has any right to try and destabalize the regime, including by sending in murderers to kill and then blame the regime.
makes you wonder why NATO hasn't invaded, Burma(Myanmar), Zimbabwe or 1 of the dozen other Dictatorships around the world? why does it always have to be in the ME ?
wouldn't the Zionist/Jewish interests have anything to do with it?
Making the World safe for Democracy is a Synonym for making it safe for the Jews(and their cronies) to control it
Maybe Myanmar reduced the size of its opium crop to a scale where it's no longer economic to go after it?
I keeed!
Double post. sorry.
Don't worry Burma is on the hit list-plenty of water resources, land and drugs to exploit.
You want Burma?
Better bring with you 100,000 springs.. those roads will tear your stuff up.
Isn't Burma where we lost that factory making hard drives and watched prices double or even triple overnight here in the USA?
As far as Syria is concerned, they can fight it out well enough.
And notice that Jordan, the one quiet place in the ME has a bunch of US Boots on the ground.
Burma is on the hillary clinton love list... but that comes later. No doubt the current junta is in the banker's pocket already.... but, lets face it, when the banker cabal decides its time for a change, they would murder their own children if that helped get it done.
They already did that in WWII and actually got away with it due to a media blackout on the subject!
Any links on that?
Yeah ,it's called the holocaust. The elite Criminal bankster Jews got out to fund the war and a couple million dead middle class jews sure helped their cause after the war.
You're talking in a general rather than a more literal sense?
My post is pretty far down from the one I was responding to, which was in turn responding to yet an earlier one:
"but, lets face it, when the banker cabal decides its time for a change, they would murder their own children if that helped get it done."
"They already did that in WWII and actually got away with it due to a media blackout on the subject!"
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Children was used in the reply to mean "fellow Jews"?
THAT is the problem. WE really don't know what's going on ANYWHERE. We only know what the blatantly and repeatedly proven dishonest "News Media" tells us. So we just choose an agency we agree with to fit our world view.
This article made me think of the recent "sabre rattling" between Israel and Iran. Their logic is, Israel should strike Iran BEFORE Iran has the capability to strike Israel.....because it definitely WILL strike Israel.
Everyones "end-game" scenario to this financial Armageddon is war. Tiny players in Syria, street gangs, basically, each being backed by the worlds greatest military powers. One would suggest a war involving the USA, Russia, and China would be ill- advised. But war somehow has the ability to "correct" certain financil inequalities. (The method of which we are ALSO unaware of.)
So I'm thinking, we don't owe Russia or China any money, do we ??? LOL
That's a very lame excuse, IMO. Supposing you don't use a Chinese ISP, the internet gives you freedom to access any website in the world.
I follow the UK-based, Iranian PressTV on YT. They're short, concise and give you facts instead of the usual western teleprompter "coloring". The other day they had an interiew with Webster Tarpley on Syria and he spoke of some dots never connected before. Well worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98lIn0lS-OI
they have to rinse and repeat every few generations apparently... Russia got hit once with the zionist bolsheviks.... now that Putin has taken much of the control away... round two is underway.