7 Questions for Jamie Dimon that no Member of Congress had the Courage to Ask

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Submitted by Stanley Haar of Haar Capital Management, LLC


7 Questions for Jamie Dimon that no Member of Congress
had the Courage to Ask

"What...me worry?"


The Golden Rule of government, “Whoever has the gold makes the rules”, was on full display in Washington over the past week as JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon appeared at hearings held in both the Senate and the House to answer questions about the bank’s recently reported trading loss.

I am in full agreement with the argument that it is actually none of the government’s business when the shareholders of a private bank lose money due to the bad decisions of management, as long as the loss was incurred legally and does not threaten the integrity of the financial system.

However, the Congressmen and Senators missed an excellent opportunity to ask Mr. Dimon about any number of financial scandals (Madoff, Jefferson County, robo-signing, etc.) in which JP Morgan Chase has been involved,  including the on-going MF Global scandal.

In our representative democracy, where Senators and Congressmen are supposed to serve the public interest, not the interests of big campaign bundlers, it is sad to report that not one member of Congress had the courage to ask Jamie Dimon the following questions:


1.  It is reassuring to hear that JP Morgan has more than enough of its own capital to cover the trading losses that triggered this hearing. But suppose for the moment that under some circumstances the size of the loss were to grow to a substantially larger amount than you now anticipate. If you didn’t have enough capital to cover the loss, would you ever consider taking money from your customers’ accounts to cover the losses? That would be illegal, wouldn’t it?

Permit me to ask your one more not-so hypothetical question: If you were standing in the lobby of a JP Morgan Chase branch, and you saw through the window that one of your customers was robbing the candy store across the street, and the customer then ran into your bank with a bag of cash, would you let that guy pay off his car loan with the cash in his bag?

Isn’t that in essence exactly what happened last October with your customer, MF Global? According to the very detailed report released on June 6 by Trustee Giddens, the infamous transfer of $175 million from MF Global to your bank on October 28 to pay off an overdraft was a transfer entirely between JP Morgan accounts: from the segregated customer trust account to the MF Global Treasury house account to a JP Morgan London account. All of these moves were completely
transparent on your blotter.

Your own employees, Donna Dellosso and Barry Zubrow, witnessed those transfers and were so concerned about them that they immediately requested a letter from Jon Corzine and Laurie Ferber, basically stating that they were not stealing customer money. You never got that letter, but kept the money anyway. Weren’t you concerned about receiving stolen property, and potentially being an accessory to the looting of customer accounts? Did you call the CFTC or SEC to report your suspicions?

[Mr. Dimon told the Senate Banking Committee that his bank received verbal assurances that the transfer was legitimate; however the Giddens report directly contradicts this………see page 134: MF’s in-house attorney, Dennis Klenja, “advised that he made no assurances of any kind to JPM”.]

JP Morgan was MF’s primary banker. You knew that they were scrambling to come up with cash to stay alive, day-by-day, hour-by-hour. Did you really think that they suddenly found a couple of hundred million dollars of excess cash in the segregated account? Or did you watch them steal customer money from a JP Morgan account,  and then ask for the letter as a CYA in case they got caught?


2.  Last month, your bank returned approximately $168 million in funds to the MF Global estate, money that you had been holding for over 7 months. Mr. Giddens believes that JP Morgan is still holding on to money that rightfully belongs to MF Global, and stated in his report that he will be suing you if no agreement to return the money is reached within 60 days. Are you aware of that? Can you tell us here today how much MF Global money is still being held by your bank?

 Do you have systems and controls in place to identify what money belongs to you and what money belongs to your customers?

Millions of people have custodial accounts at JP Morgan for their retirement funds or their children’s education. Should they be worried about their funds being commingled with the bank’s own funds?

It seems that JP Morgan has a habit of commingling its own funds with customer segregated funds. Weren’t you fined 33 million pounds in the UK last year for failing to properly segregate 23 billion dollars in client assets? That improper commingling took place over a period of 7 years, correct? And isn’t it true that in April of this year the CFTC ordered you to pay a fine of $20 million to settle charges that JP Morgan mishandled segregated customer funds at Lehman Brothers between November 2006 and September 2008? The CFTC also stated that after Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy, JP Morgan improperly declined to release customer segregated funds linked to commodity accounts. 

Is that your modus operandi, Mr. Dimon, when a customer of the bank seems headed for bankruptcy: to grab onto as much cash and collateral as possible, and then only release it after being sued or ordered to return it by regulators?


3.  MF Global had many subsidiaries scattered throughout the world, but effectively operated as one company
under one management. Were you surprised by the fact that in bankruptcy, MF Global was treated as two entities, with the Holding Company allowed to continue operating under Chapter 11, led by the very same executives who had blown up the company? Did your attorneys (either in-house or outside counsel) ever meet with MF Global executives and/or attorneys to discuss or plan the structuring of the bankruptcy?

As a result of the Chapter 11, you were able to continue trading with MF Global, and were involved in a sizable transaction involving European sovereign debt in early November; is that correct? According to Mr. Giddens’ report and news articles published by the Wall Street Journal, over $14 billion in MF Global fixed income positions were liquidated by the London Clearing House at below-market prices, resulting in substantial profits for the buyers.  JP Morgan
bought some of those bonds, along with the George Soros Family Trust, is that correct?
And JP Morgan is one of the owners of the London Clearing House, is that also correct? Did you use your influence at the LCH to increase margin requirements for MF Global?

At the time when those transactions took place, it was already an established fact that over $1 billion was missing from customer segregated accounts, and you were certainly aware that customer money had been repo-ed to support those sovereign bond positions. So didn’t it seem probable to you that you were dealing in stolen property, sometimes referred to as “fencing” or money laundering? How much money did you make from those bond purchases?

In his report, Mr. Giddens stated that “because these transactions took place at the LCH, the Trustee has not had full transparency into these transactions or the amounts that might be owed to [MF Global customers]”. Given that JP Morgan is a co-owner of the LCH, perhaps you could ask them to provide some transparency on those transactions to Mr. Giddens. Don’t you agree, Mr. Dimon?

In another transaction that took place two weeks after JP Morgan was placed on the bankruptcy committee, you purchased MF Global’s ownership share in the London
Metals Exchange (LME). That stake is now worth $103 million, a gain of over 150% in 7 months. Here again, JP Morgan is making a huge profit from dealings in the remaining assets of MF Global, while customers who had segregated custodial deposits in your bank await the return of their missing $1.6 billion. Does that seem right to you, Mr. Dimon? Don’t customers have priority under the law for recovery of their stolen money?


4.   When did you first become aware that MF Global was at risk of going under, Mr. Dimon?


And which of the following choices best describes your reaction; was it:


A)    As a custodial bank, we have a legal and fiduciary duty to our customers. How can we make sure that their deposits are protected?      

or was it:

B)    Holy Crap! Those guys owe us over a BILLION dollars. What can we do to make sure we get our money back?


Trustee Giddens reports (page 131) that two employees of JP Morgan, Fernando Rivas and Barry Zubrow, called Jon Corzine regarding the $175 million they owed to JP Morgan-UK.  Are you aware of that call? Did they make it on your orders? According to Giddens, your employees threatened to stop handling MF Global’s asset sales until JP Morgan got its money back. It seems that you were willing to push MF Global over the cliff unless they wired the money to you immediately.

Is that the standard way that JP Morgan does business? Do you think that threat was a factor in MF’s decision to reach into customer segregated accounts to come up
with the money?

When was the last time that you personally spoke with Mr. Corzine? Did you speak with him during the last two weeks of October, last year? Did you ever say anything to him that might be interpreted as a threat, if MF Global caused losses at JP Morgan?

Mr. Corzine told our Committee under oath last December that he never directly ordered that money be taken from customer accounts to satisfy MF’s debts to
you. Given that MF Global was in a desperate battle for survival and desperately trying to raise cash during the last week of October, do you think it would have been reasonable for him to think that suddenly MF Global had hundreds of millions of dollars in excess cash sitting around that they could wire to you? The total amount of customer money that is now missing, $1.6 billion, is equal to more than one and a half times the total net worth of MF Global as reported on their last financial statements. Would it be reasonable for a CEO to lose track of 150% of the value of his entire company? If, in fact, he didn’t ask about
where the money was coming from, could it be that he it was because he didn’t really want to hear the answer, or already knew the answer? Isn’t this a classic example of WILLFUL BLINDNESS?


5.   Did any JP Morgan executives or attorneys participate in any way with the discussions or process involved in structuring the MF Global bankruptcy,
including the decision to allow MF Global Holdings to continue operating under Chapter 11?
Did anyone from JP Morgan, or representing JP Morgan, participate in the big conference call in the early hours of the morning of October 31 where those decisions were made? Was JP Morgan represented at the November 1 hearing where the Chapter 11 petition was approved?


6.  You have been a Director of the NY Fed since 2007, is that correct Mr. Dimon? Did you find it strange that, despite its small size and undercapitalization, MF Global was suddenly given Primary Dealer status by the NY Fed shortly after the arrival of Mr. Corzine? Prior to his arrival, MF Global’s application had been rejected, isn’t that correct? Do you think that the fact that Mr. Corzine was an old friend and colleague of Fed President Dudley [EB: see our post, "Breakfast with Jamie," for just how tight this couple is], and has lots of friends in high places here in Washington, might have had any influence on that decision? Did you raise any objections to it, or warn the Fed about the weakening financial condition of MF Global in 2011? If not, didn’t you have a duty to do so in your capacity as a Fed Director?


7.  As we sit here today, MF Global’s customers, many of whom had their segregated accounts at your bank, are still waiting for restitution of the $1.6 billion illegally transferred from those accounts. Who do you think is responsible for that? Should anyone be held accountable? Mr. Corzine, you, regulators??? Do you think that prison time would act as a good deterrent to this kind of thing happening again???


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EB: And, since we can't mention "Dimon" without thinking of bonuses, here's a bonus question:

Mr. Dimon, as a director of the New York Fed, you would have been required to vote on any third party contract greater than $100,000 awarded pursuant to the so-called sole-source exception of New York Fed Operating Bulletin 10.  According to a New York Fed internal email compelled by Congressman Issa, BlackRock was awarded the contract to "wind-down," Maiden Lane under this very exception, despite, apparently, some consternation amongst those involved in the decision.  As a reminder, Maiden Lane was handed over the toxic Bear Stearns portfolio when the rest of the company was gifted to your very own JP Morgan, which loaned $1.15 billion to ML and was first in line to take any losses.  Yet, amazingly, BlackRock was able to trade ML to a profit by churning its MBS portfolio while it also traded MBS securities on behalf of the Fed as part of QE1.

Q: In your role as a director of the New York Fed, did you vote on whether or not to grant the BlackRock sole-source contract for Maiden Lane or any other ML-related contracts, for that matter?  Do you think there might have been a conflict of interest in this voting process, given your firm's involvement with Bear Stearns?  

Why is it that the GAO, which audited the ML contracts, is on record stating that no ML contracts were awarded pursuant to the sole-source exception, despite the internal email that discloses the contrary?  Mr. Dimon, were you involved in the decision to cover up the fact that BlackRock was inappropriately awarded a critical contract under suspicious circumstances, and then lie about it to the GAO?  Is there any other plausible explanation for these inconsistencies?

Exhibit A

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CustomersMan's picture

Here's a question that was actually asked:


Source: Reuters, by way of DemocraticUnderground

Deny the People Cleaning Your Buildings a Living Wage?

WASHINGTON, June 19, 2012

Rep. Green (D-TX) Raises Plight of Janitors, Says "Too Small to Live Off"

WASHINGTON, June 19, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is being released by the Service Employees International Union:

Earlier today, following JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon's testimony in front of the House Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit Committee regarding his company's recent massive banking loss, Adriana Vasquez, a janitor who cleans the JP Morgan Chase tower in Houston, Texas confronted him with a simple question: "Despite making billions last year, why do you deny the people cleaning your buildings a living wage?"

Dimon evaded Adriana's question but told her to, "Call his office," to arrange a meeting.

Each night, Vasquez cleans 24 bathrooms across 11 floors in the JP Morgan Chase tower in downtown Houston. "I work hard each and every day scrubbing 24 bathrooms just to support my children, to keep food on the table and a roof over my head – but it still isn't enough," explained Vasquez. "I traveled to Washington, DC to confront Jamie Dimon because it is not acceptable that while he makes billions, he denies the people cleaning his buildings a living wage."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/19/idUS182160+19-Jun-2012+PRN20120619

lolmao500's picture

That was great.

You should send this to all the scum in the banking committee.

Dingleberry's picture

Quit bitchin'.....you re-elected these ass hats.

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez's picture

"The Golden Rule of government, “Whoever has the gold makes the rules”, was on full display in Washington over the past week."

NOOOO!  JPM per Max Keiser has no real collateral.  What they do have is $90,000,000,000,000.00 in outstanding derivatives whose market value is, let me see, uh, ZERO!


illyia's picture

Very fine post... wish the author was in congress... or maybe not.

Yeah, they can corrupt anyone.

optimator's picture

In Morse Code his eyes were blinking, check is in the mail...

NotApplicable's picture

Campaign to REElect the Plutocracy.

optimator's picture

Slogan -- I Am Not A Crook.

NotApplicable's picture

Translation -- You'll never find a judge who will dare to come after me.

Winston Smith 2009's picture

"no member of Congress had the courage to ask"

Far more likely, no member of Congress had the knowlegde to ask.  Only if they did would they have not had the courage to ask which, of course, they would not have had.  And if any of their staffers had had the knowledge, they too wouldn't have had the courage to put the hard questions in their masters' cue cards since they might want to earn big bucks in the future at the corporations being questioned.

So on with the owned government farce...  I will not be watching. 

11b40's picture

Don't kid yourself. 

These people DO have the knowledge.  They know the score, and understand what NOT to ask.  You have to be pretty smart, and well versed in the isues, to maintain the corruption at the levels they have reached.

Satan's picture

I believe it was a Twinkie bar, a bag of marbles and a full head of hair if memory serves me correct...

Bartanist's picture

I think that everyone who reads this board is not surprised that Jamie Dimon is a criminal, that JP Morgan is a criminal organization, that Corzine is a criminal and that the US government and agencies are assisting them and covering up their crimes.

The question is "what if anything can be done about it when the entire system of banking and government has been molded over years for the pupose of enslaving you and stealing the wealth, work, insight and future of the majority of the people and transfering the benefit to those who, have conspired and userped the power "of force" in the country and the world?"

They do after all have the most and biggest guns backing them up and that is the threat that keeps them in control; not law, righteousness or justice. I suspect that one day those "guns" will realize that they have been played for fools to do the dirty work of a criminal gang and not even receive the benefits. However, I wonder if it will matter.

jekyll island's picture

This is silly.  Quit asking relevant questions or your webpage will be replaced by a Dept. of Justice notice.  




The 1%

Seize Mars's picture

Wow. This article is classic ZeroHedge.What a snake pit.

Ann Barnhardt is right; stop trying to trade the end of the world, get your money out of "the system" as soon as possible.


ITrustMyGut's picture

+1 for the comment, minus the barnhart ref. shes a xenophobic, evangelical, muslim -o-phobe nutcase.. she does however have some good info, and I admire her stand against the PTB, etc.

11b40's picture

Here is an idea for someone with the time and inclination.

Serve up a list of all the members of the Senate Banking Committee along with their email addresses, then organize a mass email campaign with a copy of this article in the body.  Then, flood their offices with it every day....relentlesly.

Send it to every newspaper and financial publication, too.

This is an excellent recap of the situation at hand and the joke of an "investigative hearing" we saw this week.

johnnymustardseed's picture

FACT:JMP is too big to fail and too big to prosecute

LawsofPhysics's picture

The moral hazard is on full display.  Who will be the adult, who will restore the rule of laws and contracts?

History shows us how this plays out, arm yourselves appropriately.  The ironic thing is that all one can really do (in addition to educating those around you), is hedge accordingly.


While I missed this circus, the really scary thing to me is that it is apparent that even JPM doesn't have the money they say they do.  Just like the matrix and "there is no spoon", the world is about to realize precisely what "wealth" is and who really has it.

Benjamin Glutton's picture

who will be the adult you ask?

IDK, but you will be able to recognize him when the MSM shitstorm calls him a capitalist hating Hitler, Stalin and Mao all rolled into one.


certainly he would not be welcomed with hugs and kisses.


LawsofPhysics's picture

Oh well.  Life is hard, deal with it.

Benjamin Glutton's picture

life is easy...good government is difficult.



nickels's picture

"What's good for M&M Enterprises is good for America." -- Milo Minderbinder.

Bollixed's picture

Have you checked your retirement parachute lately?

Might be a good time to do it...

CoolBeans's picture

Excellent line of questioning.

The Dimon event was such a sham - I couldn't bear to watch. I can only think the 8th question would be: "Mr. Dimon, exactly what did you trade the Devil for your soul?"

CClarity's picture

One more question Mr. Dimon.   Yes, I know it sounds like it shouldn't matter, but can you tell us what the fallout in the $700+ trillion derivatives market will be if the mortgages on Hungarian residential homes extended by Austrian banks denominated in Swiss Francs continue to be increasingly unserviceable?  Did your firm make $100 million of that type of credit into, say $5 billion in derivatives of that in other currencies, with other durations, and suggest to investors that it would diversify their portfolios and increase returns?  If those need to be unwound, how interlinked are they to, say, $500 Bil in other derivatives?  Would the unwind on those affect $5 Trillion, and those $50 Trillion, and then $500 Trillion?  How interlinked is the derivative upside down pyramid on the actual "real" assets at the core of all this mess?  

Like a game of jenga, when do you expect the violent cascade?

Thomas's picture

Best write up on JPM-MFG racketeering that I've read to date. I think you've made the case for prison sentence for many of the players, including Dimon.

Thomas's picture

I should add that I do not believe that we can pull out of this morasse until this shit is cleaned up, and that won't happen for years. There are numerous billionaires in Moscow, none of them legitimate. NYC is starting to look like Moscow. I am guessing that part of the solution will include a collapse and ensuing violence. These guys won't go down quietly. They have done more damage than all the serial rapists and murderers in the world. I think a few hangings would be in order.

idea_hamster's picture

"Mr. Dimon, exactly what did you trade the Devil for your soul?"

Didn't happen -- would violate self-dealing rules.