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Tokyo Residents: Don't Touch the Black or Blue Dirt

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Fukushima has been decimated by radiation.

But Fukushima City has less than 300,000 residents. And all of Fukushima prefecture has 2 million. On the other hand, greater Tokyo - the world's largest megacity - has 35 million inhabitants.

Tokyo soil has been blanketed by Fukushima radiation, even though the Japanese capital is 170 miles from the Fukushima nuclear complex.

Now, substances with even higher levels of radiation are showing up around Tokyo.

Minamisoma city council member Koichi Oyama writes:

People in Tokyo, the black substance is here!

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Please, people who live around, look at that!

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It’s on the roof, on the asphalt, on concrete… Everywhere on all surfaces.

“Almost every part where is black”.

“Those black substances have fallen away and because of the rain water it accumulates underfoot”.

“I think 1 micro is almost 100000 becquerels?, 1 second ?,?,? Ray 100 needles?”.

“Never touch them with naked hands”.

What is he talking about?

City council member Koichi filmed black "dirt" on the ground in various areas of Tokyo, showing very high radiation levels.

For example, here's Tokyo University last month:


Tokyo University Hospital:


Blue dirt at Sano SA


Blue dirt at Shinozaki Garden in Edogawa District


Blue dirt in front of National Printing Bureau in Kita District

(More videos)

Radioactive black substances have previously been found all over Japan, including on roads, near schools and other locations. Indeed, some of the highest radiation readings ever found in Japan come from such black substances.

Many in Japan are claiming that certain types of algae or bacteria are attracted to the radiation, and that the organisms are turning the radioactive substances black or blue. Some bacteria do use radiation as "food", and some algae do selectively "eat" cesium ... a substance put out in large quantities by Fukushima.

Others claim that this is ash from Japan's program of burning radioactive materials. Still others say that it is something coming directly from Fukushima's crippled reactors.

Whatever it is, one thing is for certain: Tokyo residents should not touch the stuff.

 


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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Element
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Now this is seriously fucked up, speechless at the stupidity of this "trial".

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http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120626_17.html

 

Fukushima eateries serve local seafood

 

Some restaurants in Fukushima Prefecture are serving local seafood for the first time since last year's nuclear accident.

 

Fishing in the Pacific off the coast of the prefecture was allowed on a trial basis for one type of shellfish and 2 types of octopus.  No radiation was detected in the catch [bullshit! ... define 'catch'? ...] and it went on sale in the city of Soma on Monday.

 

One restaurant in the city bought 15 kilograms of the octopus to serve as sashimi and in other popular dishes.

 

Since the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, the restaurant has had to buy octopus from Akita Prefecture on the Sea of Japan coast.

 

The fresh, local octopus was welcomed by patrons. One customer said it was delicious and that he hoped other local varieties of seafood would become available soon.

 

Fishermen in Fukushima are planning a second trial expedition on Wednesday.

 

They hope to eventually be able to ship their catch to Tokyo and other large cities, after gauging consumer response.

 

Jun. 26, 2012 - Updated 02:44 UTC (11:44 JST)

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Strong candidate for the dumbest of 2012 award.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment SWH001
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Your blogs on Nuclear "issues" are nonsense, works of fantasy.   Please get an eduction and stop wasting everyones time.   I have to suspect that you have a political lobbyist's agenda.  

Yours

Private Investor who sees the truth as a key ingredient to successful investing. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:29 | Link to Comment BiggerInJapan
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Anyone that accepts or support Nuclear energy please watch this 11 minutes movie:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/167593/legacy-chernobyl

the youtube/less interactive version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC581EeIMKg&feature=related

I supose any chernobyl + children search will give a good beating in that fake statistics.

I dont say there is no use in nuclear energy like space ships or on doomsday machines like nuclear subs but no in Japan where the lad shakes more than anywhere else. And not in europe either but I supose we have to wait for the next disaster to really end this stupid reactors and their fiery spent fuel pools

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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why does it hurt when i pee?

 

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:56 | Link to Comment Element
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lol ... ease back on the choak grip?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment MrNude
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How many people are at risk to get cancer though? I mean Japan is already suffering population problems as it is without more of the poor souls dying off early because of cancer. Damn it's heartbreaking stuff.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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By the way, I also don't know what's going on with this 'dirty dirty dirt' story.  Hotspots, those have been confirmed, I read something like 150 in Tokyo.  And it's also true that if they are incinerating contaminated debris, more hotspots could be created.

The vast majority of the 'escaped' bad stuff is in all that tonnage of wastewater that's sitting in tankage on site.  To the extent that we have multiple Chernobyls worth of release, my thinking is we have a couple of Chernobyls out in the environment and potentially several more in the on-site water.

Now, is that contaminated water 'part of the accident' or 'part of plant operations'?  I don't know, but I am glad the stuff's in that water and not the ocean or soil.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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O...K.....whatever.....no big deal, eh?  The Leaning Tower of Apocalypse, let's sell some t-shirts!

 

Tilted walls found at Fukushima No.4 reactor

 

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120626_03.html

 

Tokyo Electric Power Company has announced the No. 4 reactor at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has tilted walls caused by a hydrogen explosion in March last year.

The building still contains large stockpiles of nuclear fuel. But the plant operator TEPCO says its quake resistance is not affected.

TEPCO first found the tilted walls last month. A further investigation found the damage in various parts of the structure's west and south side.

The most extreme tilt was on the 3rd floor, where the wall was found to be leaning 4.6 centimeters.

Spokesmen said the tilts are all within legal limits, and the walls' strength satisfies standards, too.

The building's spent fuel pool stores more than 1,500 nuclear fuel rods, the largest number among the Fukushima plant's reactors.

But TEPCO stresses that building is safe, as the tilts were found in outer walls. The pool itself is supported by pillars and other structures.

Jun. 25, 2012 - Updated 21:28 UTC (06:28 JST)

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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Any Physics professors out there? Correct me if I am wrong (which, I believe that I am not)...First some background; a nuclear plant was severly damaged by an event on March 11, 2011. The event was a once-in-1000-years 9.0 earthquake followed by a 35 meter high tsunami. The power plant withstood the 9.0 quake without structural damage, but didn't withstand the tsunami which caused the cooling systems to the plant to fail which lead to an explosion. The situation is serious.

Japan has had at least five 6.0 earthquakes since 3/11/11... Yet the cooling pools for the nuclear rods at the damaged power plants remain stable.

In some circles, it seems obvious that if these cooling pools weren't destroyed by a 9.0 quake, then a 6.0 or even a 7.0 or 8.0 quake isn't going to make them collapse. A 9.0 earthquake - a once-in-1000-year-event - is over 3,000 times more powerful than a 6.0 earthquake. That's not conjecture. That's a mathematical fact.

Nevertheless many people worry about "walls that are 4.6 centimeters leaning" (about one inch in a four storey building that has since been reinforced)...

Many people worry about many things.... 

Fun facts: The leaning Tower of Pisa, with construction started in 1173 and finished in 1376, is over 5 meters (about 5 yards) leaning and has been for at least the last 450 years. Many people have feared that it will, someday, collapse. Also Italy does have killer earthquakes... BE VERY AFRAID! (Chuckle!) http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/29/11931934-at-least-16-die...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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I guess you don't play 'Crush the Castle' very often then?  Decent physics in that game.  But even 'Angry Birds' physics should be enough to tell you that you're being silly. 

And, if no one has mentioned it, oddly passionate about how 'nothing is fucked, dude.'

We get plenty of hysterics, on both sides of the nuclear issue.  The ZH community has a way of sorting it out.  One of the themes of the site is the inability of hubris-ridden humans to manage complex systems to a failsafe degree. Another is the consistent lack of planning for tail risk, mainly because it would be expensive and/or inconvenient.  Still another is the control systems used by the global elite to lie, cheat and control.

The site is best on financial markets but other kinds of complex systems, tail risks and well-paid liers are also relevant.  Hence Fukushima, Iran/geopolitics, domestic police state stories.

Which theme are you into? 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Element
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You're talking bullshit here Jim, all I've said above is to try keeping it in perspective, and according to the known facts.

Sorry if you preferred the fantasy version, or are you just incapable of coping with different perspectives and takes on the same observations?

Making smears and assertions of lies or agenda is not only a cheap-shot, it's also entirely baseless (as anyone can objectively see from my posts' contents on this topic), so you lost a whole lot of cred there.

Oh, and get your paranoia meter recalibrated, it seems to be a bit skew-if.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Element
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The event was a once-in-1000-years 9.0 earthquake followed by a 35 meter high tsunami.

 

FYI : Chile had an estimated ~9.0 and then a ~9.4 again within 92-years of each other (an order of mag out).

I wouldn't buy into the "1 in 1,000 year" engineering spec probability stuff.   As it turns out a "one in a million" chance of meltdown actually happens about every 15 years on average.

So much for fail-safe design and detailed physical probability guestimates.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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It didn't withstand the 9.0.  Only an unstable skeleton of the original structure remains, and half of it blew a mile into the air.  Did you miss that part?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:21 | Link to Comment dannynewmexico
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Those poor people!!

Then Officer Barbrady says " nothing to see here people,,,, move along"

 

Sheila

survivingsurvivalism.com

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment Element
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There is a lot of calling "Wolf" on this topic.

The reality is that the volatile components are for the most part colled and underwater, and still more-or-less contained within fuel-rod claddings.

The buildings that exploded have exploded due to hydrogen oxidation reactions.

There is no chance, despite what some claim, that there was a nuclear-reaction induced actual explosion shockwave, within the reactor #3's SFP, simply because that SFP would;

(a) no longer have a floor or walls, or at least be so cracked and shattered as to not be able to hold water, due to structural cracking.

(b) not have plumbing that both still exists, and is functional, and thus capable of retaining water within the SFP pond; and

(c) if it had been a nuclear reaction within #3 SFP, this would have so contaminated the entire site that no one would be able to go anywhere near these reactors for more than a few minutes and live.

These basic practical physical realities trump all of the speculative arguments so far put forward, along the lines that #3 SFP suffered an intense energetic nuclear-reaction-induced shockwave building demolition.

Thus #3 building demolition was also due to a hydrogen oxidation reaction, due to its core melting down, and nothing more to it. 

The more curious issue to me though is why the building that did not have any operating of even fuelled reactor core, was the one most damaged, and for which we have ZERO video footage of the explosion, even though there would definitely have been several cameras pointed at the general area of #3 and #4, at the time #4 went bang.  ... oh yes, they definitely have video footage of it.

Which means what happened there is so terribly disturbing or embarassing, that whatever it is/was, the Japanese Govt do not want us to ever see exactly what has occurred to #4.

AND ... why has #4 become arguably the most devastated building of them all, if #3's damage was supposedly due to a more energetic nuclear-reaction-induced explosion shockwave, ...  .... but #4's arguably worse structural damage wasn't? .................  really??!

Please explain?

Furthermore; only stream and metallic vapours and volatiles, and dust coated with these, have come out of the reactor cores, or out of their bases, as seawater and ground water contamination. 

The vast bulk of the fuel and radioactivity remains within the outer reactor containment vessels - almost all of the real nasty stuff is still in there. 

These contamination leaks, although enormous in scale, and in contamination intensity, have not resulted in anything like the worst-case situation ... yet.  The worst effects are within 100 km of the reactors, and most of that is within 50 km of it.

The real concern is water contamination and soil (marine and terrestrial), especially within 100kms or so of the reactors.
 
However, Fukushima had and still has a potential to get steadily worse, and to become a genuine nightmare situation of worst-case unstoppable (well, ... maybe) contamination, but has NOT actually developed along those lines as yet.

And unless we see actually dry and burning SFPs, and/or the buildings exploding again, or collapsing, then it most probably will remain in this condition for years to come.

I don't think calling 'wolf' helps anyone.

The real situation in those reactors is more than bad enough, without feeling the need to fabricate or maintain some accessory over-stimulated doom-story regarding it.

Perspective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8IQZ2mdNzP4

 

(Hence I'm likewise not at all interested in reading a hype/fear site like ENENEWS)

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Doubleguns
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Which means what happened there is so terribly disturbing or embarassing, that whatever it is/was, the Japanese Govt do not want us to ever see exactly what has occurred to #4.

 

This is really the gist of the whole trust thing. Why would the rods in the pool in reactor building 4 have caused an explosion. It was not the reactor. The only obvious answer is the pool had gone dry enough that a portion of the rods were begining to react and caused this building to explode quite violently. Why cover this up. Would the truth cause a panic. This leads to the question "can we trust" the information we are getting from those who cover this up. I prefer to not be so foolish but also believe running around screaming the sky is falling is not helping either. However it is better to err on the side of caution since a coverup is obviously running wide open.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Element
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Quite possibly what occurred, and that is the simplest explanation.  But this still seems an odd rationale to not be releasing the video of it's exploding, so that it's cause can actually be evaluated, right?  Perhaps the global reaction to the very disturbing explosion footage of #3 led to a decision on blanket suppression of further video footage of any reactor exploding?   I suspect the footage of #4's explosion is probably the most dramatic and troubling of all.  There's something going on here they absolutely don't want us to see, and have gone to great lengths to keep out of the public-domain. 

At the least, I think the public should persistently demand the release of the video footage of #4's explosion.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Doubleguns
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How about 5 and 6 releasing radiation too because the water was not flowing into ANY cooling ponds. That might be what is being covered up. They wish to divert all attention from the other reactors. Just a thought.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:03 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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The vast bulk of the fuel and radioactivity remains within the outer reactor containment vessels - almost all of the real nasty stuff is still in there.

I think the point of concern is that "almost all" of the nasty stuff is in there". Problem with this stuff is that it is extremely nasty & a little goes a very long way.......I mean, how many beta particles would you feel comfortable with inhaling weekly?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment Element
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That's a fairly meaningless strawman comment.

The point is that this event is still much less impacting than it could have been (and may still yet become), and it is far more geographically restricted than many seem to want to admit.

Why not let the facts speak for themselves, and permit the perspective offered by the actual situation be our guide to reality?  

It's quite bad enough without dramatising it further, isn't it?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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Rational. Thank you.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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Oh, and once again... in the original Zerohedge post... The guy taking the video says nothing about radiation or danger or anything.... All he says is stuff like, "There's dirt here"..."The dirt runs into the drain here"... etc... If this is proof of danger for you folks then I suggest that you stay indoors and never venture outside again for the rest of your lives... Heck, there's danger lurking everywhere.... 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Never mind the Geiger counter sitting on the ground and zoomed in on. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 05:56 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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"Feeds on radiation"??????

WTF is wrong with you guys? I'll have to watch the video to see if it is a bad translation but if somebody told me about a mould that "feeds on radiation" I'd have to ask them to show me this magical energy eating organism.

Don't get me wrong, I've got Potassium Iodide tablets and a freezer stocked with safe Chinese frozen vegetables. I should be out of here in six months or less. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Doubleguns
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SAFE chinese frozen vegtables yet you do not believe in molds that feed on radiation. LOL

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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No, really.... They do "feed on radiation." Really! The radiation is called, "S-un-li-gh-t." Don't believe me? Look it up.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 07:35 | Link to Comment Zero-risk bias
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Chernobyl Fungus Feeds On Radiation http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20070422222547data_trunc_sys.shtml

Radiation-Eating' Fungi Finding Could Trigger Recalculation Of Earth's Energy Balance And Help Feed Astronauts http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070522210932.htm

Radiotrophic fungus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 07:55 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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No more than my beans feed on sunshine.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Zero-risk bias
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No claims to being a nobel-winning phyisicist or miro-biological expert. You decide. I'd heed Doubleguns words below, (cut the root and rinse well), unless you like the taste of formaldahyde?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 01:39 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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I know people survived Nagaski and Hiroshim and lived long afterwards.  One fellow who dies a year or two ago was in Hiroshima during the first blast and made it to Nagasaki in time for the second blast.

According to many sources these cities should be wasteland and people who had exposure to the bomb blast would have died from radioactive caused illnesses decades ago.

Neither is true.

You kind of have to wonder about all these radioactive fear articles.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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The two scenarios are entirely different, and I wish people would do some research on the topic.  A nuclear BLAST "burns up" a lot of the material.  The fallout is NOT the same as the material you see spewed into the air from a nuclear ACCIDENT.  Nuclear BLAST fallout has a dramatic drop in lethality in a very short period.  The material from a nuclear ACCIDENT does not have a similar drop in lethality, and the material being spewed into the environment will be deadly for a very long time.  Once you know the facts, understanding why people lived through the Japanese bombings makes sense.  It also helps you understand why nuclear ACCIDENTS are far worse situations (when they are not contained).

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:06 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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I know a woman who was on a school field trip outside of Hiroshima City and walked back in several hours after the explosion and spent several days there before being moved out - she breathed all of that crap for several days, but she is still hail & hearty today. Only one data point, I know, but it's valid.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 05:16 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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http://www.nucleardarkness.org/hiroshima/

 

Over 100,000 people died.

“Japanese doctors said that those who had been killed by the blast itself died instantly. But presently, according to these doctors, those who had suffered only small burns found their appetite failing, their hair falling out, their gums bleeding. They developed temperatures of 104, vomited blood, and died. It was discovered that they had lost 86 percent of their white blood corpuscles. Last week the Japanese announced that the count of Hiroshima’s dead had risen to 125,000.” — From the article “What Ended the War,” in LIFE magazine, 9/17/1945

“I never heard an enlisted man in the 509th use the words ‘atom bomb’ or ‘atomic bomb’ or ‘A-bomb.’  Everyone in the squadron called it ‘The Gimmick.’  During the months of their secret work they had to have a name for the vague something that they were supposed to be working on, and when somebody referred to it as ‘The Gimmick’ that name stuck.” — From the article, “The Week the War Ended,” published in LIFE magazine, 7/17/1950

“When the [Nagasaki] bomb went off, a flier on another mission 250 miles away saw a huge ball of fiery yellow erupt. Others, nearer at hand, saw a big mushroom of dust and smoke billow darkly up to 20,000 feet, and then the same detached floating head as at Hiroshima. Twelve hours later Nagasaki was a mass of flame, palled by acrid smoke, its pyre still visible to pilots 200 miles away. The bombers reported that black smoke had shot up like a tremendous, ugly waterspout. With grim satisfaction, [physicists] declared that the ‘improved’ second atomic bomb had already made the first one obsolete.” — From the article, “War’s Ending” in LIFE magazine, 8/20/1945

— Ben Cosgrove is the Editor of LIFE.com

Read more: http://life.time.com/history/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-unpublished-photos/#ixzz1ytBVCXYn

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:08 | Link to Comment ich1baN
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Ya war is ugly and the argument still stands that had we not used the atom bombs there would have been grave American lives that would have been lost. If you want to talk darkness why don't you mention the Rape of Nanking? How about the sadistic treatment of the Chinese women who were raped, tortured, and murdered by Japanese. This went on everywhere the Japanese set foot with soldiers. 

You are so quick to judge but yet, you haven't even properly evaluated the situation. You are emotionally attached to one event. If you are so concerned about life you would speak about the carpet bombings that killed way more than the atomic bombings ever would. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Yes, because you mustn't ever mention one atrocity without mentioning every other atrocity.

Were the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki involved in the appalling rape of Nanking?

The A-bombs were used cheifly to test them in real-life conditions, not to save American lives. Since when did FDR genuinely care about those?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Bullshit.

The bombs were dropped to end the war ASAP for a great many reasons, and testing it in real world conditions was only a very minor aspect of it.

The cheif reason by far was that it ended the war almost immediately and saved millions of lives of American servicemen and women and japanese civilians also.

Stop taking your history out of Marxist agitprop comic books.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Kimo
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FDR was dead.  He didn't care about much at all.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 03:14 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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well named, cherry picker.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 02:57 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Tokyo residents should not be Tokyo residents...

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Darth..Putter
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Just looks like dirt.....what does it taste like?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:16 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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dogshit

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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chicken

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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No, sorry, guys I don't get my info from the main stream media nor the foaming at the mouth so-called "Indie-media." Here's the information you asked for: I live in Setagaya Ku in Tokyo. I own a Terra Ecotest Dosimeter-radiometer MKS-05 IP20. The current radiation levels in my area measured on the "black dirt" (chuckle) ar 0.08. Since none of you read Japanese, I will make it easy for you. Here are the daily radiation levels in Shinjuku Tokyo measured daily even before the March 11 disaster:  http://monitoring.tokyo-eiken.go.jp/monitoring/past_data.html

When over 73% of all Americans are overweight or obese and over a million die a year because of cancer and heart disease and diabetes and all sorts of respiratory problems and when it is a proven fact that for every death from nuclear power (including Chernobyl and Hiroshima and Nagasaki) 4,000 die from Coal and oil burning and you guys get all riled up about this, it is just a comedy. See "Death Rate From Nuclear Power Vs Coal? This May Surprise You": http://www.the9billion.com/2011/03/24/death-rate-from-nuclear-power-vs-coal/

You guys ever wonder if you've being manipulated by an oil and coal industry that wants nuclear power out of the picture? Or, as Americans, does it never  occur to you that you are being conned constantly? Sure the situation in Fukushima is bad. The guy who was quoted in this article was talking about Minami Sanriku - it is the next town from the crippled Fukushima plants and well within the restricted zone of 30 kilometers.... That's about 18 miles...

His quote wasn't about Tokyo at all...You have your Tokyo data above make your decision on the situation here in Tokyo...

By the way, I am not pro-nuclear power. I am very anti-sensationalism whether it comes from the right or the left. I was the first and only foreigner to ever be the GM of a major Japanese broadcasting station 'TV Tokyo netwrok InterFM until 2007) so I've seen the BS and sensationalism from the inside. I know it well when I see it. This is it. I also thin only idiots would live anywhere near a nuclear power plant or an heavy industry factory for that matter...

But, do as you wish... Worry worry worry.... http://modernmarketingjapan.blogspot.jp/2012/06/fukushima-super-typhoons...

 

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"You guys ever wonder if you've being manipulated by an oil and coal industry that wants nuclear power out of the picture?"

Oh, you mean like this?

http://atomicinsights.com/wp-content/uploads/anti-nuclear_coal_ad_md.jpg

I'm sure that's a part of it.  With a government available for purchase and an ignorant populace, that sort of stuff can really pay off. For instance, the drive against the legalization of marijuana is led by:

http://www.republicreport.org/2012/marijuana-lobby-illegal/

1. Police Unions: Police departments across the country have become dependent on federal drug war grants to finance their budget. In March, we published a story revealing that a police union lobbyist in California coordinated the effort to defeat Prop 19, a ballot measure in 2010 to legalize marijuana, while helping his police department clients collect tens of millions in federal marijuana-eradication grants. And it’s not just in California. Federal lobbying disclosures show that other police union lobbyists have pushed for stiffer penalties for marijuana-related crimes nationwide.

2. Private Prisons Corporations: Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana. As Republic Report’s Matt Stoller noted last year, Corrections Corporation of America, one of the largest for-profit prison companies, revealed in a regulatory filing that continuing the drug war is part in parcel to their business strategy. Prison companies have spent millions bankrolling pro-drug war politicians and have used secretive front groups, like the American Legislative Exchange Council, to pass harsh sentencing requirements for drug crimes.

3. Alcohol and Beer Companies: Fearing competition for the dollars Americans spend on leisure, alcohol and tobacco interests have lobbied to keep marijuana out of reach. For instance, the California Beer & Beverage Distributors contributed campaign contributions to a committee set up to prevent marijuana from being legalized and taxed.

4. Pharmaceutical Corporations: Like the "sin" industries listed above, pharmaceutical interests would like to keep marijuana illegal so American don’t have the option of cheap medical alternatives to their products. Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now lobbies the government to relax marijuana prohibition laws, told Republic Report that next to police unions, the “second biggest opponent on Capitol Hill is big PhRMA” because marijuana can replace “everything from Advil to Vicodin and other expensive pills.”

5. Prison Guard Unions: Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies. In 2008, the California Correctional Peace Officers Association spent a whopping $1 million to defeat a measure that would have “reduced sentences and parole times for nonviolent drug offenders while emphasizing drug treatment over prison.”

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 08:08 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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Nonsense Conpiracy theorists! Our beneveloent government would never do that!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Lol!

....that was satire, right?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 01:29 | Link to Comment Zero-risk bias
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Mike,

First, thanks for taking the time, if for nothing else, to add some balance. It seems rare to hear a relevant view from within Japan. However, as you seem to be err on the side of sleeping soundly, I feel compelled to speak my mind on what I see as a somewhat understated analysis and an over simplification on the disaster.

To give some perspective, I have lived in Shanghai for a number of years and have learned to weigh opinions from within and outside China. Although this isn't so relevant, the proximity (1000 miles approx), may be enough to warrant some caution, despite being of a bearing arguably less meterologically influenced. As I witnessed here immediately after March 2011, many people were deeply concerned, albeit somewhat irrationally. Despite this tendancy for people to run one way or the other about what little they understand in complex issues, I'm sure most school students have an awareness of the dangers inherent in modern power generation, be it coal or nuclear, and smart people would agree with the notion that our current mode of existance has many condridictions. The media being one aspect of this.

My main gripe is it seems you are quite eager to discredit ENENEWS, if it's from a personal feeling that 'independant' reporting is less credible and fearmongering, due to the fact it is not sanctioned / sponsored by 'officially accredited sources, I feel you are behind the curve in where smart people source their facts today. Your main source of evidence which seems to guide your reasoning is the Tokyo Metropolitan Institute of Public Health, listing the radiation levels in Tokyo. As far as statistics go, firstly, it's not difficult to falsify, secondly it's not difficult to read. The result, an easy way to control the consensus. I'm also fairly conversant with East Asian languages, yet I find modern transation tools largely illiminate the difficulty once had in deciphering such information. No longer do people need a grounding in foreign languages to understand raw data.

I understand the frustration you may have with misguided concerns of overstating dangers. However, just because one type of problem has resulted in a greater number of fatalities to date, does not render the other any less warrant for concern. Your conjecture is based on historical data which is largely irrelevant when considering the prospective situation at hand. It's not a surprise, it's just sad more people have died as a result of other types of fuel.

I'm not worried, and I'm not anti-nuclear. I agree, the videos here, (which I can't access directly) are inconclusive. But no less so than the string of numbers posted by Tokyos' 'official' Institute of public health. Sure, geiger-counters don't lie (usually), in the same light, I would believe what you say a little more if you showed me a picture of you on Friday night smiling whilst eating a Sushi buffet with the date of purchase in view.

"You guys ever wonder if you've being manipulated by an oil and coal industry that wants nuclear power out of the picture? Or, as Americans, does it never  occur to you that you are being conned constantly?"

Sometimes, but ultimately one way or the other it's of no avail to our safety as a species. Nor is safety of any concern to either industry. It's merely a matter of convenience and profit. I'm not an American, but yes, I do feel conned constantly.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment Mike in Tokyo Rogers
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Thanks Zero-Risk. Shanghai is a wonderful place. I have been there 17 times since 1984. Interesting how Shanghai has radiation levels (since way before 3/11/11 and after ) that are over 4 times the daily background radiation levels of Tokyo. Thought you'd find this interesting: http://www.globaltimes.cn/DesktopModules/DnnForge%20-%20NewsArticles/Pri...

But that isn't a surprise. Hong Kong, Singapaore, and Rome Italy all have background radition levels that, on average, are 4 times that of Tokyo. For your pleasure: http://www.rainews24.it/it/news.php?newsid=151021&utm_source=Rainews24+v... (Please use Google translate.) 

Here's another fun fact: "56 deaths directly attributed to radiation at Chernobyl in first three months" (I'm sure it's more right?)... How many deaths directly attributed to radiation from Fukushima in first fifteen months? Zero.

These are facts. Not conjecture. Let's only deal in facts. That is how professionals handle "news" - with healthy skepticism. I find it interesting how readers of Zerohedge scoff at nonsense spouted on the media about the economy and such, yet, when it comes to Fukushima, you all believe every piece of "news" you hear... And, by the way, I blased ENEWs (and showed an example) of their false and misleading reporting. That their headline held zero relevance to the information in the body of the text is a fact. I didn't edit or change anything. You can deny it all you want, but ENEWS is often guity of sensatinalist headlines. FACT! See for yourself: http://modernmarketingjapan.blogspot.jp/2012/06/fukushima-super-typhoons...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Zero-risk bias
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Mike, I have to admit I'm somewhat taken aback, particularly the statistics in China and elsewhere. (Not that I would naturally assume everything is safe here in China). So, first I want to acknowledge your own substantial information. About ZH readers in general, I can see reasons that lead you to the conclusion that much fearmongering finds it's way here. Personally, I find myself here because this site is both comprehensive, neutral, (and risible) which I feel is more than can be said for many mainstream news sites.

A little off topic, if you'll follow? Having visited many cities in Japan, including brief moments in Hiroshima talking to some of the nicest people I've ever met, learning first-hand about Hibakusha, I couldn't help feel some shame for my own nations complicity in wars which have brought such devestation. I've also spent some time in Eastern-Europe, including exchanges with people in the Ukraine, I feel it's these type of first-hand experiences that give perspective, and has lead me to ponder the complexity of global relations, which I would maintain, very few people understand entirely, (if anyone at all). Not only, having some of the closest to me directly and seriously affected be radiation sickness may have unconsciously scarred me. In saying that, the few I know in Japan, may possibly have been paranoid to a certain extent, (as you have pointed out). I could guess that my worrying for a friend, from Kansai region may also have been overly alarmist, but if you can understand from what I've said, you might be able to accept some reasons for my feelings and general insecurity.

On the flip, I feel a healthy paranoia is not so intelletually nullified. For the most-part, I would say misstrust is not completely irrational considering complex geo-political factors, and therefore the future safety of Fukishima is questionable and deserves a certain level of scrutinty. Your point about sensationalism, and reasonable and rational views are appreciated, hope you can find the same in what I'm saying.

 

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