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Supreme Court Upholds Obamacare ... AS A TAX
In 2009, Obama said that his healthcare reform bill is not a tax:
The Supreme Court just upheld Obamacare ... as a TAX:
A divided Supreme Court largely upheld the Obama administration's health-care law, saying the law's penalty for those who ignore a mandate to carry health insurance counted as a tax and was justified by Congress's constitutional taxing power.
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Obama lies yet again, what a surprise. I'm finding that shit like this no longer effects me and that I've become numb.
Is there any other cure than sitting on an IED and waiting for a Humvee to run me over?
Uncomfortably numb I would assume. Welcome to the party pal
Gee, I would have thought that forcing me to spend my money on a good or service under threat of penalty would essentially be a violation of my rights under the 13th Amendment.
America - welcome to BAD TEETH LAND - love britain.
While I agree with you about us Brits having dodgy teeth compared to the average American, I do have to say in our defence... like the US, for most people dental care isn't free. Going to the dentist (and even more so a cosmetic dental practice) is damned expensive (a 10 minute checkup at my dentist costs nearly £100, treatment can easily be thousands, if it involves making custom crowns or similar), so it's hardly a surprise that those workers in the lower income bracket choose to spend their limited cash in other ways - though anyone who's unemployed does theoretically get free dental care; IF you can find a dental surgery that accepts NHS patients, which a lot don't.
The only way to spread the cost (again, like the USA) is to take out dental insurance. No biggie, you might think... mine costs £13.70 per month, so it's reasonable enough. But it's all the hard-sell bullshit you get from the insurance company that puts people off; having nailed you for dental, they then want to sign you up for accident cover, loss of earnings cover, private medical (which usually means you just get to jump the queue at an NHS hospital), life insurance... even friggin' pet insurance. And they'll constantly call you until you either crack and sign up, or lose your temper and tell them to stick ALL their policies up their collective arses.
Back in the old days, we used to have a nice older man called Tom Whalley that would occasionally call round to the house with a list of insurance products that his firm could broker for us. He'd chat for a couple of minutes, leave us the leaflets and leave. No pressure. No bullshit. If you liked the look of one of the products, he'd arrange it for you - no fuss, no 'mission creep'. If you didn't want any of them, then same deal.
Contrast that to the call-center based pressuring that is the current modus operandi for these idiots and it's easy to see why a lot of Brits choose not to get involved. Like the banks, the various insurance industries really ought to take a step back and think about what their core business practices actually ought to be. But until we can end the culture (in both banking and insurance) of eternally chasing commission, bonuses and other 'free' cash incentives -at the expense (literally!) of the customers, we'll continue to get shit service for which we put up with a lot of bullshit and pay high prices.
And the noose tightens, on both the individual robots and their master...
I pay 6,000 a year for an insurance plan through Cigna that only pays 80% and only pays that after a $2500 deductible is paid. Therefore, why should I pay that $8,500 anymore? As someone already wrote above, we should all cancel our insurance.
Untill you you visit the emergency room "for free" one day and find out that you've been feeling like shit because you've got Stage IV cancer that could've been caught at stage I if you had insurance and had been getting regular screenings - and now you've got to try and get coverage ASAP (from a group of companies that wrote the book on delay tactics) before you keel-over dead.
That's a winning strategy.
There's no free lunch.
Untill you you visit the emergency room "for free" one day and find out that you've been feeling like shit because you've got Stage IV cancer that could've been caught at stage I if you had insurance and had been getting regular screenings
Cancer is a lazy dumbass disease, like obesity and diabetes. Only stupid people who don't care about their health develop cancer.
They deserve death for their lazy stupidity. Maybe under Obamacare they'll get it.
One giant step for Collectiveism. One giant kick in the nuts for Individualism.
Chief Justice Roberts got a Fred Vinson memo.
Which memo reversed vote in Brown v. Board of Education.
I wonder what the health care lobby promised Roberts for his vote?
The "justices" were told by their bosses that they would pass it as it was necessary for "the agenda." They then decided that it would be best politically to pass it by a 5-4 margin, so they sent their accolytes around to the various "chambers" to figure out who would write the various decisions and the dissents. It's all a play for the muppets and to give us "news," like we have any say in the matter. Short term the plan is to enrich their buddies in the insurance business, but long term its real purpose is to force their posionous psychoactive and carcinogenic drugs down your throat and up your ass, whether you want them or not. Think Lubyanka Square, Moscow. Or think Dante. Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate - Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. Turn you into a Zombie like Mitt or a Psychopath like Obama.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-want-health-care-if-just-anyone-can-have-it,11294/
Since no one can be refused coverage now, including for pre-existing conditions, it's time for everyone to cancel their health insurance. Frankly, you'd be stupid not to do so. The penalty for not having insurance is so much less than the cost of insurance.
Uh, this does not mean you walk in and get treated free,it means you cannot be denied purchase of insurance regardless of pre-existing conditions.
Only place this not true is in the Emg room,where right now anyone must be treated regardless.
That is not true. EMTALA law requires that anyone presenting to an ED be screened for the presence of an emergent condition and be given stabilizing treatment a/o transfer to a facility with a higher level of care. If you don't have an emergent condition or are not in active labor the facility does not have to treat you.
Yeah, good plan. Wait 4 hours in emergency room with a bunch of drug addicts and welfare queens whenever you need a doctor visit. Then when you need a refill on some arthritis pills, blood pressure med, etc - do it again every month. If you end up needing a hip replacement, etc they are not going to do it for you because you showed up in the emergency room.
I vote we get 38 states together, and have a Con Con, where the states select their own delegates, and change a LOT of things limiting the power of all branches.Esp the EO and PDD shit.The 28 that brought suit would be a great start.
NWO thinking: tax everything breathing, moving, earning, working..want to build coal fired power fine , gov and mr obuma will tax you into BK..some posting here see this as somehow good. no wonder they need ammo at HLS
too bad it is illegal to advocate tax fraud or avoiding all taxes seems the only method is to be one of the elite in DC who are exempt from all thier regs and laws such as not being part of obuma care, oh and some crony unions and such who got exempt as well..those leftist here can explain all the exemptions I am sure..LOL
Bullish for KY jelly and Preparation H.
U.S.S.A. Kleptoligarchy marches forward.
Individuals have no rights because individuals are the "units" of corporations.
Corporations have the right of free speech (bribing politicians) and the right to confiscate personal property in league with municipalities solely to increase tax revenues (thank you Supine Kangaroo Court).
Individuals have only the right to be taxed, have their assets and property confiscated, provide for illegal immigrants (non-citizens) and now to be forced to enrich insurance companies, BigPharma, the Corporate Hospital machine, and the American Bar Association.
Is it any wonder that a gaggle of Lawyers has eviscerated the Constitution?
What's really needed at this point in the game is for tax collections to be privatised, so that tax collecters get a percentage of the amount due. That will result in incredible efficiency and really be a shining example of private vs public efficiency. With such an efficient system tax collectors could even earn higher percentages based on total amount collected per month. Private enterprise working for you, the taxpayer! I hope Romney is reading this right now--it could very well give him the edge in the upcoming election as part of his campaign platform.
I really don't get the hand wringing and whining here. So it's a tax. So what? For generations we've been forced to pay for Boeings' planes, General Dynamics' tanks, and millions of other private contractors' invoices for everything from roads and bridges to hospital bills and school buildings. How is this different?
If you don't like it, vote to stop it. If you're outvoted, tough shit. Robert Dole worked tirelessly to stop Medicare. He lost and moved on. A lot of people his age are glad he lost. A lot of people my age are feeling screwed but a lot has happened since then. Even though I'll pay a higher percentage of my income for healthcare than Dole did in 1960, I'll get all of the benefits of better care that his generation encouraged through the diversion of disposable income to the healthcare industry. For example, when that heart attack comes I'll do just fine and get another 10 years, unlike my grandfather and grandmother who didn't make it past 67. Really, many of you here are simply missing the forest for the Obamacare trees.
In any event, the last time I checked, living with fellow Americans who vote themselves benefits they cannot always afford is still better than most alternatives. When that changes, I suspect the votes will change, too.
One may opt out of auto insurance by not owning a car.
All privatization of public services reduces transparency, accountability, and public oversight by interposing a private and invariably opaque organization.
There is a difference between the government contracting with a private business,
and the government requiring YOU and a private business to enter into a contract.
The former is supposed to result from a public mandate for the government to provide a public service.
The latter implicitly supposes the public mandate is to create a captive market, a government protected oligopoly, for private businesses to profit from mandated individual customers.
To add insult, in the case of “healthcare“, the required “healthcare” purchase is not payment for medical care itself, but to a derivative industry that profits by limiting healthcare access.
Wait you have income left?
Ya know what? I had this big lengthy response to this drivel of yours. Rather than write it twice, I've written it once. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/#!/2012/06/maybe-shaky-was-right.html
goodrich4bk,
Your brain is the wet dream of Politicians and Bankers worldwide.
Medical costs are exploding. That is fact. Our country (and many others) need to borrow money to make today's expenses, nevermind the ever increasing medical costs that are rising every year. Due to people paying into this Ponzi they refuse to acknowledge that their money is gone. Spent. Benefits now come from borrowing and current revenue (taxes). This decision is the deathknell to the middle class. Rich folks are leaving, and the middle class is shrinking. Many, like you, will vote for free healthcare, but there won't be enough taxpayers to pay for it. Enjoy your retirement, but please don't be surprised when your heart attack comes and the board decides that saving your life is too expensive given your genetic history.
The stupids in Congress who are being reich wing and having red necks were having all the attempting to be making the Medical caring bill be legislation for having lower medical costings not be in the bill...they were not having any competition for the drug industry is an example of the bad things they were doing. Blame the bad and stupid peoples who forced the bill to not be having the best things - stupids who were believing in death paneling is another example we are having.
The middle class was DOA long before this came down.
True. This is just like spearing Jesus to make sure he is dead.
F*CK YOU! I WILL NOT COMPLY!!!
Fine with me. But just to make sure I don't end up paying for your care, just make sure you tell the paramedics that when you are in a car acciident, or when a neighbor calls 911 because you've fallen and cannot get up, or when you start throwing up your Chinese chicken salad due to food poisoning.
Oh, you get the benefits of Obamacare even if you don't comply? You're right, let's all not comply. In fact, let's all stop paying our taxes because, after all, somebody else will certainly pay them for us.
You're right, let's all not comply. In fact, let's all stop paying our taxes because, after all, somebody else will certainly pay them for us.
Why the hell not? How many baby mamas am I already paying for? How many scammers on disability? What is that saying? I don't want to be an honest man ina dishonest society.
Fuck that. Everyone needs to tory and cheat on their taxes as much as they can. If not, you are part of the problem.
Do you believe in charities? Or should the Government just become 'Godovernment'.
I'm not saying that personal and private charity will solve the worlds problems. But I do know that a $16 Trillion National Debt and $70 Trillion(or more) in unfunded liabilities certainly hasn't. In fact, it's done nothing but wreak havoc.
If you think that the Government can guarantee your safety and coddle you from cradle to grave by taking from others by the use of force and/or coercion, I would say you are either seriously misguided, or psychotic.
Fuck you. Govt drives up the cost of medicine for those *not* on the dole with their Medicare, Medicaid, etc. programs which restrict supply and pay lower-than-market prices. This makes the costs for those not on the dole skyrocket - have you paid attention to the cost of medical care since LBJ enacted Medicare?
Then you turn around and demand govt fix the problems they created, and when those that want to opt out, you want to take your ball and go home. Fuck you again. There are plenty of people who would still opt out of the govt programs, but because govt has fucked the health care market up so badly, good luck opting out of the ridiculous price inflation govt has caused.
Govt caused the health care market to be fucked. They are not capable of fixing it.
Example of the boondoggle: You can have your very own Hoveround "at no cost to you' while they charge 'the system' $6k for an electric wheelchair that costs < $600 in china to build. Scam, advertised freely.
Maybe not our government but in other countries they provide universal health care at 1/2 the cost with better life expectancy. What percentage of US healthcare spending goes to insurance forms - about 30% from what I have read. Fraud is another big component - if all the providers are working for the government at salary , much less incentive for fraud.
31%, but the private insurers must limit the amount they skim off, to 15%, under ACA.
Medicare, BTW, runs at 12% administrative costs. Yes, govt-run healthcare is waaaaaay more efficient than private insurer-administered healthcare, despite what the Koch-brother-funded TeaBaggers endlessly chant. (As the rest of the developed world knew, years ago).
You are full of shit, as usual. What is the total amount of Medicare fraud and abuse? $6k hover chairs and $400 diabetic shoes just because it's "covered?" your foolish assumption that lower administrative costs amount to savings for the taxpayer exposes your naivety, or more likely your ignorance.
I have to agree with you. The hoveround scam at the govt teet pisses me off something fierce ... "at no cost to you"
Insurance companies also drive up the cost. Example: Before massage was covered by insurance it was about $10 - $25 an hour. Now it is about $100 dollars an hour; if you have insurance you still have to pay the $25 copay, while if you don't have insurance you have to pay $100.
It is NOT just government that is problem, but it is the businesses involved also who are driving up costs, and the doctors and care takers love to pretend to be "victims" caught in the middle but I tell you: The richest guy in my county is an Orthodontist.
Insurance companies also drive up the cost.
Yes, medical insurance IS the problem, THE reason medical costs are so high now.
People assuming they MUST head to the doctor every time they have a sniffle or cough, and MUST have those expensive drugs, that DON'T WORK, and MUST medical insurance to pay for it, is the REAL problem.
Those dumbasses SHOULD have to pay $15,000 a year for it, and SHOULD have to pay some huge penalty if they don't have it.
This "gotta have medical insurance" attitude is the real problem. Hardly ANYONE has guts to say NO, I'm NOT going to the damn doctor short of bodily injury.
Bodily injury treatment is about 10% of all medical costs.
90% is illness treatment, expensive drugs, all that shit.
That 90% is totally unnecessary, doesn't work, just makes things worse in most cases, and has got to stop if medical costs are ever gonna come down.
Utter nonsense. Very, very few people over-utilize medical services. Another TeaBagger myth.
On the other hand, TeaBaggers DO tend to be overweight, high-blood pressured & diabetic...and yes caring for them DOES cost way more than the average person. Maybe YOU should pay extra?..
http://thecentristword.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/united-states-of-gop-obesity/
Right. Because all those Obamabot ghetto-fab mondo-mommas are just as skinny as can be. And they're total 'tea-baggers' too.
F A I L
Go to any average emergency room. Who is cramming the waiting areas? Yup, people I would certainly describe as 'tea-baggers'. Sho-nuff.
F A I L
Thats quite a massage!
On my fridge is a promo for Massage Envy: $40-50 per hour.
HSA's friends. They work beautifully and even better when you start young.
looks like huffington post users came here to troll about their "vitory"
Good Fucking Luck enforcing this POS mandate/"Law" - there will be all sorts of malfeasance with this crap.
With 15 million illegal aliens sucking off the system no matter what, this will flush the US down the toilet - and that is excatly what the fucktard Muslim cunt Obama wants.
I don't give two shits what others say on here - that it makes no difference whether Obama or Romney in November.
Romney has promised to repeal ObamaNOFuckingCare. He gets my vote on this issue alone.
Obamacare is based on Romneycare, he won't appeal it, but he may go through the motions.
I was represented when it came to the ACA Tax, that had to be passed before we could find out what was in it. Just like I agreed to and was represented when it comes to the amount of National Debt we have. I also believe in $1.4 Trillion per year deficit spending!
It's so good to know that I'm fully represented in my taxation.
Now Ben, get to printing! The world needs to feel some of that inflation from your world's reserve currency!