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The “European Monster State”

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Wolf Richter   www.testosteronepit.com

Rather than solving the Eurozone debt crisis once and for all, the EU summit last week gummed up the bailout process with controversy in the very country that everyone is counting on to save the Eurozone, Germany—but also elsewhere—and nothing has been resolved.

There is Greece, inexorably tottering towards its exit from the Eurozone. Once again, the despised Troika inspectors have arrived in Athens. Based on their findings, they’ll decide if Greece should get the next tranche of the bailout billions—default and/or conversion to the drachma being the alternatives.

Horst Reichenbach, the German head of the Troika inspectors, took one look at the numbers, and while he didn’t end up in the hospital nauseated and with knots in his gut—the fate that had befallen Finance Minister Vassilis Rapanos a couple of days after being appointed—he did see that Greeks have stopped paying their bills.

Which is logical. They’re hanging on to their euros under mattresses or in foreign accounts, assuming that they will soon be able to pay their bills with devalued drachmas. The deal of a lifetime. At least €6.5 billion is past due, owed to Greek industry, Reichenbach said. Everyone is doing it. Hospitals stopped paying for medication, individuals stopped paying for electricity, the government stopped paying for construction work.

“The patience of the public has been exhausted,” said Robert Fico, Prime Minister of Eurozone member Slovakia. His country would no longer be willing to help if recipients didn’t implement sufficient reforms. And the number of bailout candidates continues to grow: in addition to the five that have already requested aid—Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Cyprus—Slovenia is now discussing it. And Italy is at the brink. Seven. Out of seventeen.

They’re all going to get bailed out by the temporary EFSF, which has a limit of €250 billion, and later by the permanent ESM, which has a limit of €700 billion. Of course, there is the old ESM that doesn’t exist yet, the one that was passed Friday by the German parliament after it had already been obviated by the new ESM that emerged from the EU summit, the one that everyone interpreted differently, the one that has run into a wall of opposition in Northern Europe. And it doesn’t exist either.

Finland and the Netherlands quickly expressed their opposition to an essential feature of the new ESM—buying sovereign bonds to force down yields and make borrowing cheaper. They could torpedo it; decisions must be made unanimously. But there would be a way around: if the ECB and the EU Commission decide that this is an emergency, only 85% of the votes, as determined by capital contributions, would be required. But no one can override Germany which contributed 27% of the capital.

And there was a veritable tsunami of actions at the German Constitutional Court. They came from all sides: from the left, from conservative Peter Gauweiler (CSU), and from the association More Democracy, which was joined by 12,000 citizens and by the Association of Tax Payers. They want a rush decision to stop President Joachim Gauck from signing the ESM and fiscal union laws until the court hands down its final decision.

According to the plaintiffs, the Bundestag, in passing the ESM, gave up its parliamentary “budget autonomy”—its rights to create and control the national budget. These rights would be transferred to organizations that were not democratically legitimized, thereby limiting the rights of voters to participate democratically in budget decisions. The fiscal union pact similarly violates German democratic fundamentals, they claim.

However, Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, believed that the court wouldn’t stop the ESM and the fiscal union pact. In prior challenges, the justices reigned in certain planks of the law, she said, “but fundamentally they had no problem with the aid measures.”

And Chancellor Angela Merkel caught a broadside from her coalition partner. Horst Seehofer, chairman of the conservative CSU, lashed out at her concessions and threatened to let the coalition government collapse if further concessions were made. “My greatest fear is that the financial markets ask: can Germany support all that?” He was worried that the markets would attack Germany and put it in the same spot as Spain. He wouldn’t tolerate the transfer of any additional power to the “European monster state” and promised he’d turn the next elections into an election on Europe. “We will put this question to the people,” he said, which so far, amazingly, no one has done in Germany.

The onslaught of criticism put Merkel on the defensive about the summit decisions. The fundamental principles of German policies had been confirmed in Brussels, said Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert, and the assertion that money would flow freely and without conditions was “completely wrong.”

After the EU summit, markets soared in Asia, Europe, the US, everywhere. The euro jumped. Yields on Spanish bonds fell to the lowest level of the week. A miracle had happened. Or had it? Read.... The Big Blink?

And to put some humor into that dogged Eurozone drama, here is “Merkel at Wimbledon 2012,” a funny video by down-under comedians Clarke & Dawe.

 


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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment This is the end
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China, Japan and Europe are doomed due to their demographics. They are all going to be very old and poor before doing anything of consequence. Japan's average age of it citizenry is 45. Anything over 30 is considered an old country. China is already over 40 due to their one child policy that they somehow continue to this day. Europe is old and only have about 1.4 kids per every two Europeans. The Muslim minorities in many of these countries will overtake them due to their much higher number of children (like 3.5 per couple). Western civilization is commiting suicide right before our eye with all of its debt, entitlements and liberalism. It is the well documented similarities to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:04 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Solving the problem of debt? What does it mean?

Lets forget about money for a second.

An area harbours X non renewable units.

Somebody managed to consume through debt, 7/X units.

What does solving the problem of debt means?

The question is considering the fundamental belief in infinitive growth as exhibited by US citizen economics, and the absence of it in reality, how could US citizens solve their debt issue?

US citizens have manipulated debt as if infinite growth was real, so how can they solve once for all the problem of the debt associated to that belief?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Professor AnAnonymous explains it all:

Solving the problem of debt? What does it mean?

Lets forget about money for a second.

An area harbours X non renewable units.

Somebody managed to consume through debt, 7/X units.

Application of phoney baloney offuscational tricks of maths and arithmetics. How very Sveriges Riksbank Nobel Memorial Award winning economistish of you.

If X = 3, somebody managed to consume more than double the existing non renewable units. This is indicative of Chinese citizenism sorcery.

If X = 6.02x1023, well...

What does solving the problem of debt means?

It means denial of reality. The debt situation is an impasse, not a problem. Problem implies a solution. The debt situation has no solution.

But hey, I'm a citizen of US of A, so now you must disagree.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Well, that explains quite well how US citizens have managed to put the world in the current situation.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Predictably, AnAnonymous responded with:

Well, that explains quite well how US citizens have managed to put the world in the current situation.

Very telling, very can kicking: shifting of blame to exterior, impossibility of self indiction, always seeking asymetry. Yes, this response is a classic example of the eternal nature of Chinese citizenism.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:45 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Lack of concentration here: that would be seeking for symetry.

And that is what US citizens do when they try to ascribe the current world situation to Zimbabweans, or Chinese.

The current world situation is the result of US citizens.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Here AnAnonymous displayed a lack:

Lack of concentration here: that would be seeking for symetry.

Wrong again, Ping Pong Bob. Lack of reading comprehension here, as I was describing the qualities of your response which made it a classic example of Chinese citizenism.

Chinese citizenism citizens are always seeking asymmetry by asymmetrically blaming US citizenism for all world problems since the Bronze Age. If Chinese citizenism citizens sought symmetry, they would acknowledge their own role in the world's problems and, while still criticizing the US when the criticism is deserved, would admit that US citizens are not to blame for all problems.

And that is what US citizens do when they try to ascribe the current world situation to Zimbabweans, or Chinese.

Seeking asymmetry is what Chinese citizenism citizens do when they blame US citizens for everything which is wrong with the world. This is because self indiction is impossible for Chinese citizenism citizens.

The current world situation is the result of US citizens.

Again, very telling, very can kicking: shifting of blame to exterior, impossibility of self indiction, always seeking asymetry. Yes, this response is another classic example of the eternal nature of Chinese citizenism.

This response also supports what akak said earlier, which is that US citizenism is a fake construct, a fantasy that you project on the world because you cannot face the reality of your Chinese citizenism. US citizenism is what you call your own unacknowledged, blame shifting, incapable of self indiction, can kicking Chinese citizenism.

Admit it, my friend, you are the pinnacle of US citizenism.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment akak
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Trueness in evidence abundance overflowing that which AnusAnonymous is peak, epitome, zenith, upmost, very quintessence of US Citizenism. 

Reasons being that US Citizenism is same as Chinese Citizenism.  Exactly mirror imagination.

But not!  Worse even, far away worseing, like Alpha Century beyond UrAnus.

Irregardlessly, US Citizenism of course does not exist.  Unlike Chinese Citizenism, which is the same, but real.

Neverthemore, clarity upon reached on the realizationizing springs to foot of eternal nature of Chinese Citizenism, and nonexisting of US Citizenism.  Such can be summed in hard mathematicalizationingisticalization as follows:

Chinese Citizenism = US Citizenism

AnusAnonymous = US Citizenism

US Citizenism = {null set}

AnusAnonymous = {dull set}

Chinese Citizenism = 1,300,000,000

Insanitation of AnusAnonymous = 6.02 X 1023 

Hypocrisy of AnusAnonymous = infinity

 

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

Neverthemore, clarity upon reached on the realizationizing springs to foot of eternal nature of Chinese Citizenism, and nonexisting of US Citizenism.  Such can be summed in hard mathematicalizationingisticalization as follows:

Chinese Citizenism = US Citizenism

AnusAnonymous = US Citizenism

US Citizenism = {null set}

AnusAnonymous = {dull set}

Chinese Citizenism = 1,300,000,000

Insanitation of AnusAnonymous = 6.02 X 1023 

Hypocrisy of AnusAnonymous = infinity

The soundness and mathematical rigor expressed here far exceeds that of anything produced in the field of neoclassical economics.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Did someone force the Chinese citizenisms to play at the Americans' game?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The US of A, the champion of the US citizen world, is the world ganglord.

Did someone force the Saudis to play at the US citizen game?

Did someone force the Iraqis to play at the US citizen game?

Is someone forcing the Iranians to play at the US citizen game?

For China, anyone remember the US citizen middle class president? When the ganglord makes a proposition, you can turn it down at your own risks.

Never forget: US citizens run an extortion of the weak, farming of the poor business. It is serious business. And US citizens mean it.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment akak
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Is there anything that can interrupt the mind-control beams into your atrophied brain from planet Ananoxia 5?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment akak
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Force not needed!

Chinese citizenism always in play, always the winner at blobbing-up.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:47 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Force not needed to drive US citizenism?

US citizens run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

Force is much needed.

Check the military budget of the US of A and the number of US citizens residing in the US who have kickstarted their life by working for the US military, living off blood money.

Force is mandatory for US citizens' welfare.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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"Rather than solving the Eurozone debt crisis once and for all, the EU summit last week gummed up the bailout process.."

Committees run 2nd only to the political process as the dumbest way to make a decision devised by man.

Combine a Committee meeting (16 EU meetings in 2 years) with the political process and you have nothing like or even approaching progress but a slow inevitable drowning feeling

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Dugald
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                       COMMITTEE

A body of the unsuitable appointed by the unwilling to do the unnecessary...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 05:56 | Link to Comment Nachdenken
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The problem is Germany, or Angela Merkels ambition to be the Chancellor of Europe.  Recent history (Germany in this State-form is recent) shows Germany has wasted its strength in wars of annexation and expansion. This is perhaps Frau Merkels vision, to annex and expand through the Euro and Euro trade. Just such ambitions were intended to be diffused by Germany´s role in the Eurozone.

Germany should concentrate of using its economic and financial strength selctively from the safe shell of its Wirtschaftswunder. That is not to be, and another devastation of the country looms ... again.

The Eurocracy, that is the real monster, which feeds off the EU to preserve itself and grow.  Look up the total cost of the european commision, european Parliament and the European institutionsö  The opportunity cost of bi-lateral agreements rather than this artificial monolith is worth consideration.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment chogopogo
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The discussion keeps revolving around Germany. 

First of all, who gives the money write the terms. It happens every time you get a credit. That doesn't means Germany wants to rule or control Europe. Germany benefited lately from a lot of negative publicity because of this very simple principle. Those who enjoyed unconditional credit want to keep riding on cheap credit. They find unnatural that Germany asks for conditions for the money it gives. 

Second, all this politician's show "fighting to save the euro" is nonsense. Politicians have no ideea about economy, they are trying to repair a clock with a hammer and a jugger. They should let the markets function. You don't need a fiscal packt or economic stimulus, you need an incentive to let the banks provide their function, that is to credit the real economy, not to take money from EZB and buy with it bonds.

Third, no economic institution is to be bailed out. If they are to fail, let them fail nicely! Failure and default belongs to real life. The risk should not be separated from reward. If they took too much risk and are to default, let them default. Bailing out and transfering money "too keep the euro alive" just dries up resources and transfers the failure on other's shoulders.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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You know no history and are moronic. Germany has more land borders than any European country and faces Russia. After 1780 it was only between 1918 and 1939 that  Russia and Germany did not have a common border. Germany has continually had to watch out for Russian expansionism until the USA took over the role after 1945.  Germany does not want to run Europe - France does - but France wants Germany (and Britain) to pay the bills and France has the USA pulling its strings. Even since the Us messed up Germany with the Morgenthau Plan and transferred 750,000 Germans as Slaves to be starved to death by France 1946-51 France has tried to control Germany - first by blocking a West German State in 1948 and then by stopping a German Army in 1956 until it was bought off with The Schumann (Monnet) Plan and the Treaty of Rome 1957

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Germany has a long dream of ruling Europe.

Check for a German going by the name of Karl der grobe.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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lol, Karl der Grosse was the guy that vanquished and converted the Saxons, the mightiests and most germanic tribe of the bunch. he was a Franc. like in Frankfurt. or Frankreich (literally, the kingdom of the Francs).

don't let a Frenchman read what you have written, he would first scold you and then evade the question of the germanity (or germaness, or germanicity?) of the Francs...

and don't let any Latin go into who can unite (again) Europe, then Carolus Magnus was crowned King of the Romans.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:51 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The Franks are German.

Crowned as king of the romans? He could have been crowned as the King of Europe.

Does not change the fact he was a German.

You might rule different people than yourself.

Additionnally, Germans are not Europeans but Asians as they are Indo European people.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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;-) you are getting near to my point: the Francs were a germanic tribe. And by being crowned "King of the Romans" by the Pope on Christmas day in the year 800, Charlemain became the first ruler of the Holy Roman Empire (the Roman Empire 2.0 + the Catholic Church add-on), i.e. the Emperor of Europe, by uniting all the tribes, from Latin to latinized to German to germanized. Which is the whole reason of calling it an Empire, because it's made out of several Nations (a nicer words for tribes).

Frankly (a word that is derived from the Franc custom of being blunt), the difference between Asian and European is clearer on the edges and less clear in the middle. we just all live on the bigger landmass of the planet - which has seen countless mass migrations.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment akak
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And running dog imperialist Chinese regimes long had a dream of invading and conquering Tibet --- a dream that they made manifest under the greatest monster in human history, the slaughterer of tens of MILLIONS of his own subjects, Mouse E. Dung.  Now, that unfortunate nation has been blobbed-up by hypocritical and greedy Han Chinese, with its people being displaced by Chinese colonizers and genocided into history.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous extends the absurdity:

Germany has a long dream of ruling Europe.

Yes, sure, they've been proponents of US citizenism since the 8th century, if not longer.

Made me laugh.

Check for a German going by the name of Karl der grobe.

Bzzzzzzt! Wrong again. Charlemagne was also known as Karl der Große. That's not a "B", it an eszett. If you are unable to make an ß, "ss" is an acceptable substitute.

Of course, as is typical of French Indo-Chinese citizenism treachery, your interest was only in offuscating your reference to Charlemagne.

Eternal nature of AnAnonymousism at work here.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:56 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Or better a cut and copy.

Another miss again. Offuscating a reference to Charlemagne? In a post underlining that this guy was a german?

Using the name he is known in England and France did not serve the point, which was to underline that he was a german.

Using the german name of this german man served the point.

Germany was not a proponent of US citizenism in 8th century.

US citizens are fans of their attrition game. Some of them know no other routes.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment akak
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Germany has a long dream of ruling Europe.

Yes, sure, they've been proponents of US citizenism since the 8th century, if not longer.

No, this dream of Germany ruling was first hatched from egg laid on Easter Island in 12th century time by time-traveling Ben Franklin, who carried egg in magical US Citizenism flying rickshaw to 9th century German place.  Egg then sat on and hatching --- much rejoices! --- by Karl der Grosse, who attempts made to implement US Citizenism as pan-Europeanism in 9th century German and Europe places.  But Chinese Citizenism, already rooted in spot by hijacked flying rickshaw operator Mouse E. Dung who cast the spores of Chinese blobbing-uppityness via mystical and much lucky dragon bone dust, innoculated the savage Europeans peasants against incipient US Citizensim, and saved the day as it were.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:58 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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More fantasy.

Which is good as everytime it exhibits that US citizens can make no point based on the merits of US citizenism.

Everytime, to explain about US citizenism, they have to use an external reference.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment akak
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US Citizenism = Chinese Citizenism.

US Citizenism does not exist.

US Citizenism is blathering fantasy of AnusAnonymous.

Promotion of US Citizenism is promotion of Chinese Citizenism.

Chinese Citizenism is very real, and completely evil.

US Citizenism does not exist.

US Citizenism is the only hope for freedom and liberty in world today.

Chinese Citizenism is the mortal enemy of US Citizenism.

AnusAnonymous is founder of US Citizenism.

AnusAnonymous IS US Citizenism.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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There was a program on the History Channel that said the very same thing. It explained how, across the centuries, observers of the time traveling Ben Franklinist flying rickshaw invention mistakenly believed that it was a flying teapot.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Ar-Pharazôn
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you're an idiot sir!

 

the euro was the mean which France used to contain Germany............

 

really dont say BS here

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 07:15 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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The problem is Germany, or Angela Merkels ambition to be the Chancellor of Europe.  Recent history (Germany in this State-form is recent) shows Germany has wasted its strength in wars of annexation and expansion. This is perhaps Frau Merkels vision, to annex and expand through the Euro and Euro trade. Just such ambitions were intended to be diffused by Germany´s role in the Eurozone.

Germany should concentrate of using its economic and financial strength selctively from the safe shell of its Wirtschaftswunder. That is not to be, and another devastation of the country looms ... again.

 

Your self-loathing stinks from here to the Rhine.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 05:52 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Europe is Rothschild's plain for consolidation. Who owns the Banks? Who wants to keep them controlling europe's currency? Why do the leaders refuse to default to a Rothschild Bank? Why must they have one monie,cause the Rothschild's want it that way?Who owns the Banks?

 

Get to the top of the pyramid first and the fraud, corruption, and all the other nasty little thing these gangsters do will end. You will have trickle down justice throughout the so-called financial Banking faking world once their books are made public.

    “Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with a seat missing, but it hurts.”

                                      -Naked Gun

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 07:50 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Rothchild is not "consolidating Europe" or its monopoly money systems. Blighty is on the cusp of a Referendum, Greece on the return to the Drachma, and many other Euro nations will be murmering under their breath about returns to their own currencies

this is fragmentation not consolidation

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 07:59 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Blighty has been on the verge of a referendum for years.

Just political instrumentalization to further goals. No backbone.

"May you live long enough to see the referendum" could be a US citizen blessing to wish for a very long life.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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I disagree... all 3 political Parties went into the election 3 years ago Pro-Europe

Most people could see Europe fracturing and falling apart at the seems 3 years ago but not the ingratitated ingrained ignorance of Westminster who has upped contributions to this collapsing edifice of political folly

and all 3 blind-as-a-bat Parties are now murmering under their breaths about a Referendum having all blanked and denied the British public for decades for such a vote. All 3 treasonous Parties are being forced by fate, not foresight, to face their ignorance and corruption at understanding political events to change their spots

the usual farcical Westminster dance of the blue, red and orange clowns all shooting themselves in their size 19 clown boots and pretending/posturing they were never really Pro-Europe in the first place

Westminster: Check-Mate

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:38 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Okay, lets assume you are correct for the last election and that no party promised a referendum on the European question.

It does not mean that the referendum opportunity has not been thrown over and over again over the last fifteen years.

How many times the 'threat' of a referendum has been raised? Too many to make it different this time.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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After checking, very limitedly, apparently, Cameron promised a referendum on Europe.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100108617/david-cameron-s...

So it is now even doubtful the three parties went into elections without promising a referendum.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Don't know where you're from (i'm British BTW) but you have no handle/idea on British politics. All 3 pitiful British Parties have been Pro-Europe for decades ...the Tories since Thatcher was stabbed in the back by the Pro-Europe Tories and removed

'Call Me Dickhed' Cameron gave a "Gold-plated Pledge" many moons ago if he was elected Tory Party leader he'd give the British a vote on Europe. He was elected and the spinless toerag dutifully pulled the rug on that golden promise. Indeed Cameron even organised a further plug-pulling when he usurped his own backbenchers trying to tilt for a party vote on the topic as recently as 4 months ago

Yep, even up to 4 months ago Cameron was still Pro-Europe enough to snuff out dissent in his own Party and indeed increase funding to this crumbling Euro edifice which shows his level of foresight (and corruption) at this folly ...you just don't get more deaf, dumb and blind than these Westminster weasels

Nice to see it's about to bite all 3 washed-up British Parties in the arse ..the posturing, excuses and hypocracy will be of epic proportions to match their epic levels of ignorance, corruption and treason

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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All three british parties are just Rothschild poodles.  Only the faces and the rhetoric have changed for the last 2 or 300 years.  It's not so different in the rest of the EU and America.

"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The story was about the repeatitive use of the referendum threat.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment akak
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Stop trying to monolize the speeching means.

The insanitation of your wording of your mind and throating of your ideas is bad enough by itself.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 03:59 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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If I wished to do that, I could not.

The site harbours US citizens the most. US citizens de facto monopolize the means of speech here.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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After checking, very limitedly, apparently, Cameron promised a referendum on Europe.

Another example of the eternal nature of French Indo-Chinese Antarctic citizenism.

First make unsupported assertions, then occasionally check the facts later.

Very telling.

Very can kicking.

Very AnAnonymousish.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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I just gave a US citizen the benefit of the doubt.

He claimed referendum comedy was not played before the last election.

It was wrong to believe it.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I just gave a US citizen the benefit of the doubt.

You must be a new trollyard employee, as that is a mistake that an experienced AnAnonymous would not make.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 04:02 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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It is good sometimes to apply some US citizen principles to US citizens themselves. It yields information.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment akak
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It is good sometimes to apply some logic and sanity to the trollish posts of Chinese Citizenism citizens.

It yields much laughter.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 05:46 | Link to Comment silverdragon
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I wish TPTB would hurry up with scaring the sh*t out of the mindless European masses so they finally realize there is no choice but political, economic and military union.

Please can someone write an article about Silver and its 10,000 industrial uses. Way more interesting than anything written about Europe.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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The political leaders in all EU countries have one thing in common. They are rich, and thus want to preserve their own wealth. Allowing the banks to collapse would zero out their own accounts. They will do anything to avoid that outcome.

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