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I had an interesting conversation with a fellow who lives in Europe and has been connected to the spook world in the past. (See this for prior discussions with him.) It went like this:

Paris

Have you been watching the events in Syria?

 

BK

Not really. I’m not sure what, if any, are the implications of this is.

 

Paris

You should. Things are moving faster and faster. For example, have you seen the level of fighting in the streets of Damascus the past few days?

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BK

No. It seems there is fighting every day.

 

Paris

There is now heavy fighting in the capital of Damascus. Clearly, the opposition has grown substantially for this to happen. It also means that the fighters are being armed. They would not take on a battle in the capital unless they were well armed.

 

BK

Interesting. Where are they getting these arms?

 

Paris

The same place that the Libyans got theirs, the Qataris and the Saudis.

 

BK

Ah! How do the Saudis and Qataris get arms into Syria?

 

Paris

Through Turkey, of course. You don’t think those Turkish jets got shot down by accident do you? This was the excuse for Erdogon (Turkish President) to get involved. Now he is.

 

BK

Why would Erdogon want to get involved in the Syrian mess?

 

Paris

He sees himself as a guardian of the Sunni. What we are witnessing is the re-emergence of the Ottoman Empire. What is happening is that Syria is in a civil war, but behind this is a religious war. Sunni versus Shia. The fighting today is in the streets of Syria, but in the end, this is a war between the Saudis and the Iranians.

 

BK Where's this headed?

 

Paris

At this point, the USA is sharing any intelligence it has with all “friendly” interested parties, including the Turks, the Israelis, the Qataris and the Saudis. Given that all of these countries are also “leakers” of info, it is a safe bet that the Russians have the same info and are passing it along to the Iranians. It’s an equally safe bet the Iranians are very angry at this. In particular, they are pissed at the Qataris. And that gets us right back to the Straits of Hormuz.

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BK

Are you saying Iran might attack Qatar?

 

Paris

No, I wouldn’t think so. That would be suicide. The Americans have two aircraft carriers and a full fleet of other ships available to crush any aggression by Iran. But that is the point, all Iran needs do is threaten Qatar, and the price of crude shoots up. With it, would go insurance charges for the ships that ply those waters. A few well-placed mines would do the trick.

 

BK

Do you think it will play out like that?

 

Paris

The Iranians truly hate the Saudis, the Saudis hate the Iranians just as much. Today there is a new excuse to hate each other, Syria.

As to the odds, who knows? But I think that the odds are greater for something to happen to escalate what we are seeing today, versus a return to regional stability.

 

BK

Timing?

 

Paris

Impossible to say. Keep in mind that Obama and Hilary Clinton have effectively put Israel on a leash as far as Iran’s nukes are concerned until after the American election. The Iranians know this, and they understand that November is not so far away. The US does not have the Israelis tied up regarding matters in Syria.

I don’t see how “they” can put a lid on all of this. There are too many moving parts. Do the Iranians have an interest in stirring up a hornet’s nest before November? Sure they do. It could be a matter of weeks.

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Qatar produces (only) 1.3m barrels of crude a day. However, they are the largest producer of liquified natural gas (LNG) in the world. .

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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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The US is not picking their perceived enemies very well. It might be wise(r) to be on the side of the more rational Iranians.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Vooter
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Does this mean that we can finally gas all the evangelical Christians in the United States? If so, count me in!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 01:23 | Link to Comment bruinjoe93
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Vooter, you're derange.  How do you equate this story to a justification to gas evangelical Christians?  

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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who's this we you're speaking for.  The trouble you progs have is that you're so good at visualization but when it comes to actually doing something, you know, like holding a job down, mowing the fucking lawn, lifting something heavier than those suck ass Heinekin beers you drink you're just to weak.

Poor, poor spirits, trapped in the material world so to speak.  At least Mao and Fidel walked the fucking walk. 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Vooter
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LOL...your powers of making up random shit out of whole cloth are impressive! Please, tell us more!

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Is it because of this? Whoever controls Damascus, controls the next Political and religious power of the world?

http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/descentisa.htm

http://halfsyrian.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/jesus-descending-damascus-at-umayad-eastern-minaret/

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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no country with nuclear weapons in the closet is on any sort of "leash".  If Israel is threatened, they'll pull the trigger, there are plenty of real men left there despite the underminings of the womyns, pipe eaters and socialists.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Vooter
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LOL...hey, go for it, Real Men of Israel! Sacrifice yourselves for your god fairy tale and for that slice of desert you call home. WE DON'T CARE! The fewer of you around, the better...

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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It's refreshing to see you showing such support for a socialist country.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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what other kinds are there today?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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Hey Bruce, another great article penned bro! I meant to tell you 4 day's ago that Iran is cancelled, but Israel is not. Obama is serving up Bibi Nation to the Muslim Brotherhood to bum rush their border. Crazy I know, but that's the word. Syria citizens were armed up by Russia to fight Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood that we, the United States via Hillary Clinton sent there to destabilize their region.

 

Here is the real story in Syria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyCEUE7N4Y

Israels ultimatum to Obama:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9121433/Israel...

 

We are not alligned with Israel as people are made to think. As a matter of fact, this Administration has listed Israel as a terror sponsoring Nation. Just some FYI. "They" have just ran out of time to secure Syria by about 6 months. Stale mate with China, Russia et al that has moved armorment into the region to protect them and Iran from Western agression. Were reduced to a staring contest.

I don't want to blow what credibility I may have so I do not want to disclose the REAL reason why were in that region because it's out-of-this-world, but suffice to say, WWIII will not be delivered as promised, it's a distraction to con-seal broken, the real agenda. Rev, Chap 6 Ver 8.

God bless!

CIA,o!

 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Vooter
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Yeah, "god bless," you MONKEY.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 08:38 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Possibly a matter of days if not hours - and with chemicals.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/daoud-rajha-killed_n_1682044.html

 

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BEIRUT -- A suicide bomber struck the National Security building in the Syrian capital Wednesday, killing the defense minister and wounding the interior minister in a brazen attack on the seat of government power, state-run TV said.

Defense Minister Dawoud Rajha, 65, a former army general, is the most senior government official to be killed in the Syrian civil war as rebels battle to oust President Bashar Assad. Interior Minister Mohammed Shaar was in stable condition, state-run TV said.

Although it was unclear who was behind the attack, the high-level assassination could signal a turning point in the 16-month conflict as the violence becomes increasingly chaotic.

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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment sangell
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Astonishing blow to Assad. This might have decapitated the regime.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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HuffPo is ALMOST as credible as WaPo. Why bother to read it, much less link to it?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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While I tend to generally agree with you re: cred - just not always.

Is this better: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/world/meast/syria-unrest/index.html?hpt=hp...

Or this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE8610SH2...

Psst - it happened.

 

 

 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 07:51 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Spooky says "There are too many moving parts."

He fails to mention that every "moving part" is connected to a string which in turn is connected to a puppet master.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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excerpts from:

The Great Transformation: From the Welfare State to the Imperial Police State

 

 

“The leading advocates and propagandists of overseas militarism against countries with large Muslim populations and the imposition of a domestic police-state have been dedicated Zionists promoting wars designed to enhance Israel’s overwhelming power in the Middle East. These American Zionists (including dual US-Israeli citizens) secured strategic positions within the US police state apparatus in order to terrify and repress activists, especially American Muslims and immigrants critical of the state of Israel.”

 

“The fusion of the police state apparatus with the industrial-security complex and its prominent overseas links with its corporate security counterparts in the state of Israel, underscores the imperial state’s ties to the Israeli military establishment.”

 

“The success of prominent American Zionists in securing power within key media propaganda mills and obtaining appointments to critical positions in the top echelons of the police state apparatus, judiciary and in the imperial state bureaucracy (Treasury and State Department) has put Israel’s colonial interests and its own police-state apparatus at the center of US politics.”

 

related: America Adopts the Israel Paradigm

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 05:20 | Link to Comment ebear
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You guys are gonna run out of armchairs if you keep this up.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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US citizens watching from the sidelines, who can believe that?

And it even takes Turkey to act out of self interests and not out of NATO interests.

Deeper and deeper in US citizen propaganda land.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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we're watching from the sidelines in Tibet, too.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 03:50 | Link to Comment jomama
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damn you bruce, for making too much sense yet again.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment Nachdenken
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Timely analysis, but the China and Russia game strategy is unclear. 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Draw the US into a(nother) stupid regional conflict: check.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 02:28 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Yes but with the Wellesley Witch as US Secretary of State we can expect some blundering disaster before they reveal their hand and trap the US in a quagmire. The way regimes are being handed over to Sunni Fanatics by US policy should give Israel cause to re-examine its lease

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 01:21 | Link to Comment valkir
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As usual,5 stars for Bruce,thank you Krasting.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Haole
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Thanks a lot Bruce, tastes great, less filling!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Reese Bobby
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God Bless His Children. The rest is noise. I hope you reach this point Bruce. You almost always project it in your posts. I can't know, but I bet you are there or close. Me, I am not so sure! GB and keep up the good fight...

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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Would it be crude for me to say oil (via USO) is a good buy right now?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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What's that? They have how much at Cushing?!

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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My advise, do not invest in oil futures, because you have to understand what our future is as a "Petro Dollar" Nation, it's not a good investment.

Invest in your families salvation and defense prepping. That would serve you better at this .Point> NLE gone live with no access to the NYSE would suck.

 

-JP

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment web bot
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Bruce,

Many of us on ZH really enjoy your "conversations". Please do keep these coming. Great insights!

+1000

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 05:32 | Link to Comment malikai
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Ditto.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Mediocritas
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Hey Bruce, I think you have the wrong read on Libya.

Gaddafi was the only hold-out in the "Union for the Mediterranean" and France wanted him out of the way. The Arab Spring provided a nice excuse to get things rolling and NATO was perfectly happy to comply.

It wasn't the Saudis arming Libyan rebels, it was the Europeans: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/29/nato-review-libya-france-arm...

France and the Arab spring: an opportunistic quest for ... - FRIDE

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment lightning
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You are right.  In addition, according to the leaks provided by Wikileaks, the Bush administration deliberately started the Arab Spring.  According to Wikileaks, Bush and Condi Rice have paid mercenaries to go into Egypt to create/develop a revolutionary opposition to Mubarak.  Obama continued this policy (obviously).  I was one of those people who looked at conspiracy theories with disgust and often wouldn't take them seriously.  Have to admit I have changed my tune quite a bit.  According to the official story we had a terrorist attack on 9/11.  We are now at war with the terrorists who happen to be muslim extremists.  Yet, we are paying people/mercenaries to topple Middle eastern countries, so that the muslim terrorists we are at war with take over the government.  WTF?!  I don't get this and if anybody has a guess to the end game, please clue me in.  My best guess (and even I think it is lame and stupid) is that we are attempting to push the "Islamic terror" problem closer to Russia and China in the hopes that it begins to affect them as much as it does us.  However, that is stupid because unlike us, the Russians and Chinese simple exterminate any threat and could care less how it "looks" to the UN. 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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No shit, even in europe, the spice must flow.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 22:20 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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moving chemical weapons is something one does not do without a purpose...and not a good one. If it includes sarin gas "we might have to say something." i expect a statement. i expect it shortly. something more than..."blurf"...unfortunately.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 22:08 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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When the attack happens short credit, particularly the most vulnerable like junk and high yield, there is no sane reason for HYG to be above 90 considering the risk on the bonds. Short everything but energy because the biggest casualty of a significant conflict will the Bernanke put. The Iranians and her allies know this. Don't go short until the missles fly though. With the short positions in the market now we are likely to see nanosecond focused ramps that defy all reason, today being an example.

Edit: My BS alarm, which I've learned to pay attention to, was totally silent when I read this article. Just saying.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Reese Bobby
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I think the longest home-run shorts will never settle in the surrounding storm. That is why I find no financial peace. It makes me wonder why I rely on money as a safety net. I think the answer is becoming clearer. You atheasists won't like the answer but I am FOS until I give it all away anyway. GB.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment Lumberjack
Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Lumberjack
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Bruce, Frank Wisner played a big role in Enron, AIG and others. Including this outfit run by former Sec. of defence William Cohen.  

http://cohengroup.net/news/op_ed/op_ed06212012.cfm

 

 

 

 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Lumberjack
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Bruce, Frank Wisner played a big role in Enron, AIG and others. Inculduing this outfit run by former Sec of defence William Cohen.  

http://cohengroup.net/news/op_ed/op_ed06212012.cfm

 

 

 

 

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 20:35 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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The article and the comment reminded me that War is just Raw spelled backwards.  Heavy insight isn't it?  My mind is blown, my mind is blown, by all the possible conspiracies.  Thankfully, humans are more incompetent than they are at good conspiracy or secrets.   Never invoke compiracy when incompetence will suffice.  If the Iranians decide to have a war they will likely blow themselved up before their enemy-that's what happens when you put organized superstition (i.e. religion) above science.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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But MOM and DAD are both the same, backwards or forward. And that gives me a peaceful, easy feeling.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment MrButtoMcFarty
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Satan oscillate my metallic sonatas!

 

Curt Kirkwood

The Meat Puppets

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 20:10 | Link to Comment FleaMarketPete
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Another gem BK, thank you.

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