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Words of War
I had an interesting conversation with a fellow who lives in Europe and has been connected to the spook world in the past. (See this for prior discussions with him.) It went like this:
Paris
Have you been watching the events in Syria?
BK
Not really. I’m not sure what, if any, are the implications of this is.
Paris
You should. Things are moving faster and faster. For example, have you seen the level of fighting in the streets of Damascus the past few days?
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BK
No. It seems there is fighting every day.
Paris
There is now heavy fighting in the capital of Damascus. Clearly, the opposition has grown substantially for this to happen. It also means that the fighters are being armed. They would not take on a battle in the capital unless they were well armed.
BK
Interesting. Where are they getting these arms?
Paris
The same place that the Libyans got theirs, the Qataris and the Saudis.
BK
Ah! How do the Saudis and Qataris get arms into Syria?
Paris
Through Turkey, of course. You don’t think those Turkish jets got shot down by accident do you? This was the excuse for Erdogon (Turkish President) to get involved. Now he is.
BK
Why would Erdogon want to get involved in the Syrian mess?
Paris
He sees himself as a guardian of the Sunni. What we are witnessing is the re-emergence of the Ottoman Empire. What is happening is that Syria is in a civil war, but behind this is a religious war. Sunni versus Shia. The fighting today is in the streets of Syria, but in the end, this is a war between the Saudis and the Iranians.
BK Where's this headed?
Paris
At this point, the USA is sharing any intelligence it has with all “friendly” interested parties, including the Turks, the Israelis, the Qataris and the Saudis. Given that all of these countries are also “leakers” of info, it is a safe bet that the Russians have the same info and are passing it along to the Iranians. It’s an equally safe bet the Iranians are very angry at this. In particular, they are pissed at the Qataris. And that gets us right back to the Straits of Hormuz.
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BK
Are you saying Iran might attack Qatar?
Paris
No, I wouldn’t think so. That would be suicide. The Americans have two aircraft carriers and a full fleet of other ships available to crush any aggression by Iran. But that is the point, all Iran needs do is threaten Qatar, and the price of crude shoots up. With it, would go insurance charges for the ships that ply those waters. A few well-placed mines would do the trick.
BK
Do you think it will play out like that?
Paris
The Iranians truly hate the Saudis, the Saudis hate the Iranians just as much. Today there is a new excuse to hate each other, Syria.
As to the odds, who knows? But I think that the odds are greater for something to happen to escalate what we are seeing today, versus a return to regional stability.
BK
Timing?
Paris
Impossible to say. Keep in mind that Obama and Hilary Clinton have effectively put Israel on a leash as far as Iran’s nukes are concerned until after the American election. The Iranians know this, and they understand that November is not so far away. The US does not have the Israelis tied up regarding matters in Syria.
I don’t see how “they” can put a lid on all of this. There are too many moving parts. Do the Iranians have an interest in stirring up a hornet’s nest before November? Sure they do. It could be a matter of weeks.
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Qatar produces (only) 1.3m barrels of crude a day. However, they are the largest producer of liquified natural gas (LNG) in the world. .
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Of interest to ZH readers...it was carrying gold bullion..."Somebody sank by Bankership!"
Funny how those boating accidents happen.
And how boating accidents beget boating accidents:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20000727/edit.htm#5
The day it rained gold
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Immediately after the holocaust the Manchester Guardian from London had commented that the hush-hush nature of the precious gold treasure consignment combined the immense loss with rare fantasy. But the truth is still awaited. Unofficial reports stated that on that fateful day approx 20 metric tonnes of solid gold was shot into sky, most of which showered back over the Greater Mumbai area. In case of some isolated houses the residents avoided reporting damage caused by hot gold bars for obvious reasons!
Or how about the Black Tom Explosion in NYC in 1916....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tom_explosion
There are tinderboxes everywhere now. And a larger, hot war would be useful in many, many ways. Just ironing out the rules of engagement. Then it's on like Donkey Kong.
History is defined by agression and warfare. There may be no more tinderboxes now than in the past, just greater media coverage. Today's telecommunications provide the sensationalist journalist many options to grab the attention of a 'customer'.
I don't feel that war is very useful, by the way. Can you please provide an example of the 'many' ways you allude to?
There are more tinderboxes now than, say, six months ago.
It's useful to "Them". I have little use for it.
It feels as if we're on the edge of another "August 1914".
Russia is still drawing the line in Syria with China backing not to interfere directly.
Nato and Saudi and Qatar are funding the rebel opposition and engaging in terrorist activities.
Main street media is putting all blame for civilian deaths on Assad Regime.
Nato/Saudi/Qatar objective is new government in Syria. Turkey is complicit.
This is the road to the ultimate goal of defeating Iran so that a Nato-friendly regime can be put in place thus allowing transnational oil companies a route in for the black gold.
Please explain. In Iraq we had the opportunity to profit from some of the largest and highest quality oil reserves anywhere, yet it appears that we will not benefit from those reserves, which to many was our main reason for going into Iraq. If that was the case, then we definitely lost that war. Now you are proposing that we will go against a much better armed adversary, Iran, which also has the backing of Russia and China, just to get oil? Iraq was easy pickins, yet we failed there. What gives?
Yo Escapeclaws, long time, no see!
I'm just reviewing comments after being away for a few days. My opinion FWIW is that the overall arc of the story is about control of the petroleum and keeping it alligned with the petro cartel currencies that define it's worth: namely the the FRN and GBP.
Saddam began to sell Iraq's petroleum on the international market in Euros. That was the real WMD to TPTB. Result: invasion, occupation and restriction of the petroleum from the global markets (translation: there's no artificial scarcity (sorry, supply and demand) like the one that props up a highly liquid ponzi paper currency and the inflation necessary to keep it flowing).
Iran has begun to do the same thing, accepting gold and other currencies on a new oil trading bourse. Hence, the claims of a nuclear threat and trade sanctions...all part and parcel of the theatre needed to convince the sheeple that Iran is a threat worthy of liberating them from oil that will, as planned, only cost more after a war and contribute to global economic collapse...which, with population reduction, is the overall plan of these psycho losers.
And an easy fly-over for bombing runs to a certain country...if they can't negate the regime by the proxy (fake) civil war in time they can certainly use it to degrade personnel and resource support to the Syrian SAM network enough to make it easy pickings for when the time comes. The foreign special forces probably do their best work with the assistance of the diversions like the localized urban battles being waged through Damascus. One would be tempted to speculate that the outbreaks are potentially focussed on central bank robberies if the Nato template from Libya is being duplicated in Syria.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/libyan-rebel-bank-heist/38...
The Saudis and Quataris, and the Turks for that matter... get their weapons from the US. Questions is, after the Egyptian overthrow to Muslim Brotherhood, Libyan gov't to "who knows what"... what's the end game for Syria from the US perspective? More instability in ME, higher energy prices, diversion of the sheeple.
Turks have their own agenda along the lines of restoring Ottoman empire at least economically. Not a US puppet. Witness their refusal to let us use bases in Iraq war.
War by proxy, nothing new, and we KNOW why we're over there.
All the major players have claims in different regions, and all out war would not go over well with ANY general populace in any of the major powers, no matter how much propaganda is fed.
War is not coming, your concerns are way over done ... just look at the headlines on MSM.com:
1. Best Hospitals 2012-13: The Honor Roll
2. Sandwich Needles, Mystery Couple & More
3. 99 Sexiest Olympic Athletes
4. Wackiest Celeb Pics of 2012 — So Far
5. Cute & Cuddly Polar Bear Cubs Wrestle
6. The Best States for Business in the US
7. 'Bachelorette' Fights Back on 'Men Tell All'
Thanks. I knew everything was ok.
Oh! look at the hot chick on the left side of the page!
My page has Elizabeth Warren all over it. Please don't make me look at it...please...
I understand her Cherokee name means "Itchy Beaver".
I click and click and click on it ... I think TD gets paid each time by Warren ... great fun .... click, click, click
Thanks for that, I'm so relieved. Looks like all our concerns are for nothing LOL.
The MSM was hoping the TomKat duel would play out a little longer. As things get closer to zero hour watch for a Brangelina distraction to come to a supermarket magazine rack near you...
What the hell happened with TomKat???
I cannot get any hard news thanks to Olympics hype and "Wing Night with the Obamas" banner ads.
I didn't pick up the mag, but my guess is she finally came to the conclusion the nuts between his ears were bigger than the nuts between his thighs.
You (wrongly) assume that war has somehow actually ended.
Agreed, history is defined by war. Even peaceful times are full of posturing and preparations for the next.
It's Global WARming, right BK?
'Climate Change' ... get with it man.
'Weather' ...get off my lawn!
The Chinese and the Russians will throw Assad to the wolves inexchange for Russia keeping their naval base in Syria and the Chinese getting full access to Iranian at bargain prices.
The Mullahs in Iran will huff and puff with their usually rants against the West and the two Great Satans the US and Isreal but in the end,they will see "the writing on the wall" go along with TPTB.
Watch for a BIG false flag (London?) that will then be blamed on the Iranians. As w/9-11, it wont matter that they didnt do it. A provocation and an excuse is all the blood lusting psychopaths need. After all, 18 of 19 9-11 "hijackers" were Saudis and so naturally we attacked....Afghanistan....and then...Iraq.
If only a humongous false flag would put a stop to the relentless Olympics ads (FU Citi)
Or, you could just man-up and kick the fucking TeeVee to the curb.
Don't watch the idiot box. I'm talking about the Citi/Olympics ads on ZH.
All so the execs can go on tax-deductible junkets to watch the quadrennial circus.
true dat. Less Olympics and "Dinner with the Obamas" and more 4" clit MEH girl ads!
if i had to bet on false flags, i'd bet on a massive u.s. cyber attack staged by some 'rogue' terrorist virus than a large scale london bombing or anything.
bombing the olympics is bad for business. and it's london , i feel like a false flag needs to happen on american soil to overwhelm the american public.
but then, perhaps both will happen. maybe even simultaneously.
kill switch anyone?
"bombing the olympics is bad for business."
Not if the business is rallying support for your cause (works for both sides, mind you).
I honestly hope nothing bad will happen... it could get ugly very fast.
Zackly
Maybe some 'terrorists' will bomb the next Royals vs Mariners game in Kansas City.
Oh god, the humanity.
here is a possible FF...
Isreal continuous claims of Syria moving WMD to Hezbollah. Musawi visits Cuba. First US freighter docks in Cuba in 50 years. Major WMD exercise in Georgia. US military starts a chemical spraying campaign in Florida. 2 + 2 = 5 ... right???
USAF is spraying chemicals in South Florida: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/12/air-force-joins-aerial-fight-...
JDAMs were not cost effective on mosquitos.
yes mosquitos... that is of course what the spraying is for...
amazing what you can do with a boxcutter too... who knew that you could vaporize massive steel and concrete buildings with them... all the way from afghanistan.... using just a bit of jet fuel to help it along.
All because they hate us for our freedoms....
*sniff*
This is why we need to stamp them out while they are still a clear and present danger ... your freedoms, that is.
dup.
Congratulations, Bruce!
You've upped page hits last week with the 7,000,000,000 Hondas of CO2 nonsense and today ...
... you've opened a new habitat for the conspiracy monkeys of every stripe and bigotry. I'm sure they'll drive a ton of page hits for you, too.
Nice touch leaving out any insight on how Syria is serving as the starting point for Cold War II thanks to a SCOAMF who has shown Russia and China their is NO bully's ass he won't kiss.
After all, if you gave them any sort of logical thinking to have to do - they wouldn't be free to just come in here and fling their shit around, would they?
barliman
Barliman the wise... we know that cos he signs at the end.
only the true wits do that.
He says we should never discuss isreal or its tactics.
Oh, they are never involved in anything are they?
Where's JW in FL when you need him?
Sorry Barlicock but isreal is up to its neck in every dumb move the USA and the world makes.
I'm still wondering what this all has to do with anthropogenic global warming.
I love the regular Barliman guest columnist postings of insight and thought regarding items of importance to the financial world on ZH. It's surely your in depth analysis of issues that makes Tyler keep allowing you the guest column space right along with Bruce. And please, please keep posting them as regularly as Bruce does. We all learn so much from the in depth analysis that only barliman can offer.
Do you two guys, like, want to be alone?