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Words of War
I had an interesting conversation with a fellow who lives in Europe and has been connected to the spook world in the past. (See this for prior discussions with him.) It went like this:
Paris
Have you been watching the events in Syria?
BK
Not really. I’m not sure what, if any, are the implications of this is.
Paris
You should. Things are moving faster and faster. For example, have you seen the level of fighting in the streets of Damascus the past few days?
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BK
No. It seems there is fighting every day.
Paris
There is now heavy fighting in the capital of Damascus. Clearly, the opposition has grown substantially for this to happen. It also means that the fighters are being armed. They would not take on a battle in the capital unless they were well armed.
BK
Interesting. Where are they getting these arms?
Paris
The same place that the Libyans got theirs, the Qataris and the Saudis.
BK
Ah! How do the Saudis and Qataris get arms into Syria?
Paris
Through Turkey, of course. You don’t think those Turkish jets got shot down by accident do you? This was the excuse for Erdogon (Turkish President) to get involved. Now he is.
BK
Why would Erdogon want to get involved in the Syrian mess?
Paris
He sees himself as a guardian of the Sunni. What we are witnessing is the re-emergence of the Ottoman Empire. What is happening is that Syria is in a civil war, but behind this is a religious war. Sunni versus Shia. The fighting today is in the streets of Syria, but in the end, this is a war between the Saudis and the Iranians.
BK Where's this headed?
Paris
At this point, the USA is sharing any intelligence it has with all “friendly” interested parties, including the Turks, the Israelis, the Qataris and the Saudis. Given that all of these countries are also “leakers” of info, it is a safe bet that the Russians have the same info and are passing it along to the Iranians. It’s an equally safe bet the Iranians are very angry at this. In particular, they are pissed at the Qataris. And that gets us right back to the Straits of Hormuz.
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BK
Are you saying Iran might attack Qatar?
Paris
No, I wouldn’t think so. That would be suicide. The Americans have two aircraft carriers and a full fleet of other ships available to crush any aggression by Iran. But that is the point, all Iran needs do is threaten Qatar, and the price of crude shoots up. With it, would go insurance charges for the ships that ply those waters. A few well-placed mines would do the trick.
BK
Do you think it will play out like that?
Paris
The Iranians truly hate the Saudis, the Saudis hate the Iranians just as much. Today there is a new excuse to hate each other, Syria.
As to the odds, who knows? But I think that the odds are greater for something to happen to escalate what we are seeing today, versus a return to regional stability.
BK
Timing?
Paris
Impossible to say. Keep in mind that Obama and Hilary Clinton have effectively put Israel on a leash as far as Iran’s nukes are concerned until after the American election. The Iranians know this, and they understand that November is not so far away. The US does not have the Israelis tied up regarding matters in Syria.
I don’t see how “they” can put a lid on all of this. There are too many moving parts. Do the Iranians have an interest in stirring up a hornet’s nest before November? Sure they do. It could be a matter of weeks.
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Qatar produces (only) 1.3m barrels of crude a day. However, they are the largest producer of liquified natural gas (LNG) in the world. .
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I think that was said tongue-in-cheek.
And I can't claim the same?
Well we just(US) authorized another 10 Billion in loan guarantees(WEAPONS) and the release of surplus weapons systems from our military to Israel.
Being the prolific arms dealers that they are I'm sure much of these weapons to be purchased or given to Israel will find its way onto the MENA battlefield in short order.
I love all the natzi heads who , while justifyable point out the role of aipac amongst other war lobbyists, believe israel is the puppet master of the world.
far from it, israel is the puppet who is more vulnerable than most of the other pupptets in the middle east to the results of a large scale war.
their eagerness to prevent nuclear proliferation, while many consider it fake, is because they know they cannot survive a legitimate war with their larger niehgbors. Sure Sure, they can hope and prety for air dominance to continue to save the day, and the merkavah is nothign to laugh at.
but a prolonged war for israel is eocnomic suicide. and the political infighting in the country is likely to erupt into near civil war if the economy implodes. people forget the far right assasinated the pm of israel 20 years ago. tensions are higher than ever between the far left and the various factions of the far right.
Yah, what's up with the mindless junks? Look, if someone says something cogent, but that contradicts your Jesuit-implanted Zionist-conspiracy-is-perfect-and-overarching-and-there-are-no-chinks-in-the- beast's-glittering-armor mind control programming, why not wake up to a nuanced reality? Israel truly is the outworking of an evil ideology, but the Zionist overlords are human, and imperfect, after all.
Calm down ... it will all be ok ... AAPL releases results next week
The war is Moscow and Washington, everything else is a mere skirmish. Our Bankers want the entire globe watching Jerry Springer and shopping at Walmart. Time to move to the Southern hemishpere.
What if Moscow and Washington are working together?
Jack Bernstein explained the NY-Moscow-Tel Aviv Triangle. Google it....fascinating stuff!
that was the plan, until Putin ruined it by refusing to be rolled over by the NGO's controlled by the NWO.
Until Putin calls out the Rothschilds in public, I fail to see him as anything other than controlled "opposition."
So far, the only score I see is $13.5 billion flowing from Putin to Jacob Rothschild.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/nov/2/20031102-111400-3720r/
LOL, I just noticed that the Washington Times lists itself as "The Official Newspaper of 2012." Now, is that just for prophecies, or the year in general?
Do some research, Putin kicked a lot of the Rothchild agents and Zionist oligarchs out of the country since being elected as well as arresting one of them for tax evasion. I don't have time to dig up the links this second but I will come back later and see if I can post some.
You are right Dune Fan.
Putin took back the theived assets from 7 oligarchs - 6 of whom are Jewish.
Assets that were theived under the reign of USA shill Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Now Abramovich spends his oil cash on chimps kicking a ball about a field.
he has had to move very carefully as the Russia had a zionist shadow government (like the U.S.)... but so far, Putin has done very well at picking it apart, piece by piece.
Putin is butthurt because he was not invitged to the annual coordination meeting aboard Ambassador Rumsfeld's orbital lightship. Same thing happened with Gingrich, but the press turned it into a story about Airforce One. Nope. Basically, everyone is on starfleet's jock, but Rumsfeld keeps shooting the Prime Directive at them, and they say, you designed two wars you fuckhead, and he says yeah, but those were going to happen anyway,. and then they say, so what about the financial collapse, and he says, you are scheduled to discover the answer in 2 Earth centuries, and you will laugh when you see it, but, sorry, hands tied.
Classic.
For what it is worth, I know at least two former members of delta, who are in their 40's and have been called back to rather lucrative positions in Washington (because we have so much money to spend-sarc). Of course, they won't talk about what is going on. So long as the U.S. has a military to stand behind the dollar, the ponzi continues. Tell me something I didn't know.
Eventually, people stand up to bullies. And the standing up can be entirely non-military.
boom. a 60cal just blew your body in half. what were you saying about standing up again?
boom. a 60cal just blew your body in half. what were you saying about standing up again?
Boom. An IED just blew your hummer in half. What were you saying about firing that 60cal at one of the local protestors again?
.60 caliber. When .59 just isn't just quite enough.
Best to stand up to bullies after they've forgotten about you.
And stand up from behind. Be sure you load first and have the safety off though.
The turkish jet always smelled bad
Add to that the idea of,
Now, why would "they" want to defuse their own bomb?
same thing I am hearing, and The turks are hell bent on reviving the ottoman empire
i call bullshit on Obama 'putting israel on a leash'. exactly the opposite is true and always has been. your leaker buddy isn't fooling anyone either, Israel is directly behind all of this...
agreed. If anyone is on a leash it is the US with israel tugging it with orders coming from london.
BK your friends thoughts on greece didn't seem that insightful, so not sure what weight one should give to this. Sooner or later the ME thing will explode, all part of the plan
The four angels bound in the River Euphrates are who is on a leash. but not for long.
Bruce actually gives some good info here, and a resurgent Turkey is something I hadn't thought about- thanks for the perspective Bruce.
Turkey may be miffed at the Alawites, but they certainly have no love for the Zionists. Israel, for the worse, is tied to the Western Alliance, and the West's economic owes, imperial over-reach, and endemic corruption mean Israel no longer plays long-term. Taking out Syria is short-term thinking, and Israel's destiny in the aftermath is to go from the frying pan to the fire. A takeover of Syria by Turkey or by the Saudis is worse for Israel than the Assad regime could have ever been.
Israel will attack when they are backed into a corner
Well, lookie here ...
We've got ourselves another conspiracy monkey agreeing with another conspiracy monkey.
Let me give you two a real brain twister:
If the SCOAMF is on an Israeli leash - why did he BOW to the King of Saudi Arabia?
Y'all go off and diddle each other while you try to figure that one out.
For the rest of the false-flagging, wag-the-dog, the NWO/Illuminati chimps; here's a question two orders of magnitude up the scale from the first one.
What would the world look like WITHOUT the American military presence keeping sea lanes open?
No cutting and pasting links, diatribes from the internet or the other crap. Explain it yourself in one paragraph describing specifically which nations would control which areas of the globe.
(Side note: Just because something is necessary does not mean I like it. It would be great if we could bring back our service people and just protect our shores. It is IMPOSSIBLE to do so in the world we actually live in.)
barliman
What would the world look like WITHOUT the American military presence keeping sea lanes open?
I dunno...a world free of the puppet masters' peak petro-dollar ponzi propaganda and instead pursuing peaceful clean free-energy alternatives, political independence and realizing the economic renaissance of competing sound money currencies?
palmereldritch;
Here is a strong opinion as to why things are the way they are. No moral judgement on fairness or how things should be, implied.
The US military is the biggest, meanest, enforcer for the current status quo and has operated as such for at least the last 60+ years. Were we not there, you would have had a number of regional wars at this point, with or without nuclear weapons.
For as long as it is able, the military will provide this American guarantee and all other bullies great or small will not confront it. Oil, is the lifeblood of worldwide commerce and the engine for economic grouth in the near future. Anything that interupts this flow on a non temporary bais is a world wide economic game changer. No sovereign powers, including, China, Russia or India can afford to live without oil flow.
You dont like it? What are you going to do about it?
Get an engineering degree ... learn thermodynamics, organic chem and higher level math.
"pursuing peaceful clean free-energy alternatives" is tripe served up by con men. I spent an afternoon four years ago de-educating my liberal brother about this horseshit. You can believe in unicorns if it floats your boat ... but it won't change energy densities and true cost of production of various fuels OR repeal the Three Laws of Thermogoddamics:
Provided above in the EASY TO GRASP layperson terms.
I've been in China. I've been out past the point where guys sit by the side of the road with AK-47's to charge a toll for those who want to come TO civilization.
You DON'T have to LIKE the WAY THINGS ARE ... but if you believe the horseshit "a world free of the puppet masters' peak petro-dollar ponzi propaganda and instead pursuing peaceful clean free-energy alternatives, political independence and realizing the economic renaissance of competing sound money currencies"
YOU ARE A EITHER A CON MAN YOURSELF AND/OR A FOOL ... and, God help us all, you may live to learn it firsthand.
barliman
@ Barliman
Thorium power.
But try and build a reactor w/o the fucking gov't bringing you to a standstill and running your cost up 10X.
In early 2008, a group of entrepreneurs were trying to get "working trial" systems deployed out to three thousand homes around the nation for a pellet fuel design that could not be weaponized and could not be made to go supercritical. They also seemed to have the disposal issue addressed due to the long half life and some old gold mines they had bought.
Buy a unit, hook i up to your house and sell the power you don't use to your local utility company.
All of their venture capital went poof by the middle of the year and they dropped of my radar.
Would have been interested in getting one of the workling trial units.
barliman
I imagined what the world would look like without the image of depraved negativity and militaristic enslavement courtesy of the system that has given us our demonstrable petro currency ponzi. What kind of world could not spawn such predictable human tyranny and exploitation? Certainly not one led by your stunted imagination.
God help us if we had people like you instead of Tesla, Poincaire and Maxwell.
Yours is the con of submissive fatalism, hopeless one dimension and willful slave recruitment.
Keep it up, the system thrives on the limited potential of your awareness and fruitful atavism.
Pol Pot called, he wants you to stop posting and to get back on the bridge of his aircraft carrier...
You engaged in the same useless masturbatory fantasy every pacifist does. You stamped your little foot and proclaimed it could be so.
Human tyranny and exploitation have been part of the human condition from time immemorial. You live in "the best of times" and have not the wit to appreciate it.
Go out past the point where the shield ends, sissy. Go out into the true darkness of human nature and then come back and tell us of "the image of depraved negativity and militaristic enslavement".
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." – Winston Churchill
barliman
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." – Winston Churchill
Would that be the same Winston who wanted to use poison gas on Kurdish tribes to spread a 'lively terror'? Who was using his 'rough men' 'to visit violence' all over the world to further the British Empire?
Churchill was a good man to have on our side in WWII, but I'm still pretty sure he's rotting in hell.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/not-his-finest-hour-the-da...
I'll do you one better.
Any politician you have ever heard of ANY political stripe DESERVES to rot in hell.
barliman
Jesus you're a fucking asshole.. The garbage you pass off as insight is as insidious as the idea of war itself..
You propagate this human condition you claim is inherent. It's all a bunch of bullshit.. You are a cancer.
Yep, It's all MY fault.
There are no evil people out there in the real world.
Anywhere you go, you find people holding hands and singing "Kumbaya".
Schmuck!
And outside of this habitat of hate and conspiracy monkeys Bruce has created, where do you hang out other than in your mother's basement?
barliman
P.S. Bruce, what do your Jewish friends think of this new group of fans you have attracted?
too easy. the saudis are zionists themselves, in the closet. obama is a low level boot licker... of course he bows to his superiors... SA is muslim you say? so what... most of the puppet dictatorships in the ME are set up and controlled through U.S. tax payer dollars... for now. The zionist house of saud is soon to fall.
Interesting way to test your theory ...
... get on a plane to Saudi Arabia. When you get off the plane, stop in the front concourse area and start proclaiming in a loud voice,
"Saudi Arabians are Zionists! They follow the Israelis as if they were a camel being led by a ring through his nose! Saudi Arabians are Zionists!"
Rinse and repeat as many times as you can before the secret police take you away to be beheaded or some Saudi VIP's bodyguards stomp you to death.
If you don't have the courage of your convictions ... then you are just a chattering conspiracy monkey flinging poo on the internet.
barliman
That is one of the dumbest comments i've read on here.. Why should someone have to do that or have to "prove" anything.. Like it matters.. Some things are pretty obvious and can be figured out by simply thinking about who benefits from what.. you're a moron..
As to the ONE paragraph challenge:
A world where countries stood on a more equal footing with each other and reason and debate were not thrown out the window because the fear of being invaded for not supporting the US and Israhell policy. There would be more honesty in debate between countries. It would most certainly be a better world to live it.
Read your own comments ... they are stupefyingly self centered and detached from reality.
The ONE paragraph challenge was:
What would the world look like WITHOUT the American military presence keeping sea lanes open?
No cutting and pasting links, diatribes from the internet or the other crap. Explain it yourself in one paragraph describing specifically which nations would control which areas of the globe.
So, you got to shoot your idealistic wad on this ignorant dreck: "... countries stood on a more equal footing with each other and reason and debate were not thrown out the window ..."
I have worked and traveled internationally over an extended period of time. Very educational for those who get to do it.
The world is nowhere near to your idealistic horseshit.
Europeans have a great deal of distrust, prejudices and resentment between countries and people. The English are globally detested. The Germans are only truly hated by the people in the countries where they do business. The Chinese and Japanese are racial purists that make the Ku Klux Klan look like amateurs. Mexicans hate all gringos with a passion.
The list goes on and on and on and on.
None of the other nations on the globe even remotely try to guarantee the rights Americans take for granted. None of them try to live up the ethical standards of United States businesses.
Bribery and corruption are the RULE - not the exception.
Denying the facts does not change them. Putting your head in the sand just makes it easier fr someone to kick your ass.
barliman
What would the world look like WITHOUT the American military presence keeping sea lanes open?
A world without high seas piracy, brinkmanship, false flag incidents and perhaps allowing for free international commerce?
see:
VERIFIED - U.S. Coast Guard is the TYRANT OF THE SEAhttp://www.jimstonefreelance.com/
BRUCE !!!
Click on this guys link - it is a doozy. Here is my favorite part:
"Extrapolations - This behavior is VERIFIED"
"But WHAT IF: What if the Coast guard is REALLY going around imprisoning people who have uncovered scandals, have unique inventions the elite want buried, or any number of other reasons the elite scumbags would want to have them eliminated for, properly papered or not?"
You have got be REAL happy with the new friends you have attracted, right?
barliman
None of the other nations on the globe even remotely try to guarantee the rights Americans take for granted. None of them try to live up the ethical standards of United States businesses.
Hahaha, now I know you're a comedian. There are many countries that have all the 'freedoms' Americans possess. Are Americans more free than the British? Australians? New Zealanders? Germans? Austrians? Swiss? Italians?
Ironically, many of the worst regimes in terms of 'freedoms' only exist because of American protection (Saudi Arabia, for instance)
You are deluded.
UK/Britain - there is no guarantee of freedom of speech or the press - both are routinely suppressed - and they are THE Big Brother State with millions of government security cameras
Australia - a total gun ban - no gun ownership period - since it was instituted a few years back violent crime has skyrocketed - btw - an extremely socialist country, too
New Zealand - the perfect Socialist state - except housing is prohibitively expensive, the cost of living is ridiculously high, cars are so expensive people put on assignment are better off shipping their car there rather than buying or leasing one, the government STILL hasn't begun to sort out the earthquake damage from 18 months ago and, in fact, it is SO wonderful, they can't get people to immigrate to New Zealand despite an "open doors" policy.
Germans/Austrians - had a long discussion regarding the political nuances of these two state with someone froma very wealthy German family - bottom line - Germany is a political democracy where many different parties can prosper but NOT an economic democracy ... if you want to buy a house - your parents had better have spent the last 25 years saving the money up for you because you won't get there on your own. He also remarked on the class structure being made more rigid after the re-integration of East Germany.
Italians - the most corrupt of the Eurozone countries ... the place where Berlusconi can screw underage girls because nobody would dare to denounce him? Italy???
Reading shit in Wikipedia does not make it true. A complete lack of first hand knowledge ,,, and apparently not enough intelligence to Google ... big handicap there, sport.
Oh, yeah. Saudi Arabia - it has been in stand alone mode, if it wishes to exercise it, for over 30 years. I know because I worked on the design of their massive military facilities back in the '70's.
The Saudis are traders and business people first & foremost. Their strong preference is to have OTHERS do their dirty work for them. They hired a former Blackwater guy to build a special force for dealing with dissenters.
Too much truth for your tiny little fantasy world?
barliman
Chum, the US is a big brother state. Heard of the TSA? the NSA? the IRS?
It's true that plenty of countries ban handguns, but then, as most of their citizens (oddly) don't wish to own them, this is not considered much of an infringement.
The US is hardly less socialist than Australia or New Zealand. GM bailout? Chrysler bailout? TBTF bailout? Welfare? Medicaid? Social Security? etc.
As for New Zealand, having visited there recently, I can attest you haven't a clue. Housing is expensive? No. Cars expensive? No, not particularly (they were a couple of decades ago when the government imposed high import taxes, but those days are gone). At present the New Zealand dollar is quite strong, which makes it appear that prices are high in USD terms, but that's more an indication of how much the USD has lost in value. The average New Zealander lives a much nicer life than the average American. The food's great. The air is clean. The roads are uncongested. Your children go unmolested in the airport.
[Germany] NOT an economic democracy ... if you want to buy a house - your parents had better have spent the last 25 years saving the money up for you because you won't get there on your own.
What's this? Artificially cheap, economy-distorting credit is a sign of 'economic democracy'? If you're using 'democracy' as a synonym for 'mob-rul', you're quite right, the Germans don't have economic mob-rule in this respect. And good for them!
Italy is corrupt? What, and the US is not? How long have you been reading ZH? And "nobody would dare to denounce" Berlusconi for sleeping with 'underage girls'? Why's he on trial then?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156373/Berlusconi-slept-underag...
(she was 17, incidentally)
Reading shit in Wikipedia does not make it true. A complete lack of first hand knowledge
Ah, the pot calling the kettle black. Always good for a person's credibility.
Oh, yeah. Saudi Arabia - it has been in stand alone mode, if it wishes to exercise it, .. and then you go on to list all the US expertise it had to have to get that way... and no mention of our 5th fleet parked on the doorstep to ensure our satraps stay in power.
So you've been to Saudi Arabia and helped them build their police state! Well done! It brings a lot of your pro-fascistic comments into context.
PS - New Zealand doesn't have an 'open doors' immigration policy, you lying sack of shit.
Skipped over UK/Britain didn't you?
Visiting New Zealand and living in New Zealand - that's apples to a bear shitting in the woods - you DIDN'T buy a house, you DIDN'T buy a CAR. you DIDN'T mention the taxes, and, of course, you forgot to mention, the government and how pissed off people are over the earthquake situation in Christchurch. The executives relocating to New Zealand as part of a corporate rotation are making up the problems they are having - their accounts are first hand, you are a bloody internet clown making claims, I think I'll go with their story - especially since my wife was one of the folks they were trying to lure over there - which is where the 'open door' policy came from - that and the New Zealand government website asking people to immigrate.
Skipped over Germany being a structured, class confined society too - reading comprehension problems or did you not take your ADHD neds today?
Italy undoubtedly appreciates your support but it doesn't change its level of corruption which is much worse than the United States and is one of the chief reasons the EU will NOT get financial support out of China
And I would never step foot in Saudi, had the chances - knew better. Saudi whistles and the SCOAMF answers - where did you THINK all the overseas money came from in 2008?
He won't get any this year because he is putting his reelection in front of doing his master's bidding. They DON"T WANT the Fifth Fleet, Fool. They want landing rights, flight support and logistics for the Israelis.
barliman