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When you are suddenly surrounded by violence and killing, it’s too late to train.

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My prayers and thoughts this morning are with the families of those that were killed or injured by the psychopath in Colorado, and also with my own family that attended a movie last weekend and shall do so again many times in the future.

 

Below, I have re-posted an email sent out this morning from Brian Hoffner in response to the Batman shooting.  Brian is a Houston Police Department officer that trains other law enforcement officers at the academy. He also conducts courses for private citizens.  At this time, in most of our nation's cities, one can find instructors like Brian that are ready, willing, and able to teach others how to not become a victim. 

 

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7-20-12

 

This morning’s BATMAN SHOOTING, I wish I could have been there to stop this killer but I wasn’t. That’s the way it is...The sheepdogs wish they could have been there, the sheep are thankful that they weren’t.

 

This killer was prepared and calculating as he slowly made his way up the stairs and firing - picking random people. For years I have been lecturing about and preparing police and my students to defend against this kind of shooting including what to do in a movie theater because I know that it’s coming. 

 

Responsible Americans must enjoy life while being prepared for the kooks. There are screwed up people in this world and they can appear anywhere at any moment. Be prepared for your immediate defense and the protection of their family. It is an obligation. It the reason I train Police and Responsible Citizens, but it takes more than skills and mindset,,, it also takes equipment and you have to have it with you. That’s why I have made holsters for the last quarter century and invented American Tactical Apparel Pants.

 

If you leave the house without your head screwed on right and without the equipment to win the sudden violent situation,,, you are a sheep, period.  Unfortunately there are so many people out there that will not do what they need to do to be prepared, and I know many of them.  They talk about it, procrastinate; find something other than the welfare of their family to spend their money and time on.  I know because I don't see them in training.  They train a little than they stop.  They may carry their gun but will be unable to respond appropriately in the blink of an eye.

 

I canceled this weekend’s Tactical shotgun class, why?  No one signed up for the best shotgun training in the world.  No one signed up to retake at half price so they could work on getting their 5 shot time below two seconds. 

 

So I will scratch my head, like I do when only a handful show up for SoSu on Saturday mornings, and I wonder why I am failing to motivate those who should not need to be motivated.  For those of you attending day 2 of Tactical Pistol Sunday, congratulations, but like I told you in class, many of you will go no further.

 

We have the opportunity under our Constitution to ensure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ourselves and for our families.  The future will hold many challenges to our constitution and to us as individuals. 

 

When your test comes suddenly and violently you will know who, and what, you are at that millisecond.  You will understand what is happening is real and you will be glad that you are there to protect your family and save others and gloriously you will act with skill, ability, and confidence.  Or you will doubt your ability, be overcome by fear, of no help to yourself or others...a sheep. 

Sheep Dog Warriors are not apathetic and putting things off.  They are tired because they are driven, always working, and training regardless.  Get it together people, don't be sheep!

 

When you are suddenly surrounded by violence and killing, it’s too late to train, your skills toolbox must already be in order.  You have to believe in what you can do and gloriously get it done, confidently, reactively, effectively.  You know what is happening is real and you are glad to be there.  This is why you train, this is why you prepare, this is why you spend so much time, money, and energy on all of it...because you are Sheepdog.

 

Wishing you safety through will, determination, and training, 

 

Brian Hoffner 

 

 

 

 

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I hope many of you have read my article:

  

Fear we are returning to a time in history where it is a common occurrence to fight for one's life?

 

Please allow me to remind you of Item 7

 

Complete the following courses in this order:

1. One half-day tactical folding knife class; $150.

2. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Pistol Courses; $1,000.

3. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Rifle Courses; $1,000.

4. One day of Self and Family Emergency Medical Aid/Trauma Kit Course; $150.

5. A series of several two-hour self-defense classes (not martial arts classes); $200.

6. Fulfillment of requirements for concealed handgun permit; $250.

You should learn in these classes how to safely conduct dry-fire training with your firearms and a dummy knife. Do this on a regular basis, such as once per week for at least 5 minutes.

 

Peace be with you,

h_h

 

 

 

 

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Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:54 | 2637534 HungrySeagull
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I had a very big kid take a swing at me when I was 7. That Canadian was a strong stock and desired to wipe my smiling mocking face off the map.

That fist landed where my head was into the wall.

I knew what I was and was not that day. (Prey)

Later on a Bully picked on me one times too many I became a hunter, picking my fight with him in a very public section of the school to everyone to see.

While being beaten, I had a moment that I must fight and beat him there and now or I am lost.

I did.

There would be more bullies, I remember two that I did not fight. Those two required diplomacy because there is no way I could best them in a fight.

Now it seems the school kids are being conditioned not to do anything that comes natural to them....

I weep for them when they become adults unable to function properly.

Training combined with controlled aggression helps me stay calm because emotions in the heat only makes the weapon shaky or a heartbeat too late to some other action.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:27 | 2637415 HardAssets
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He wasnt TSA was he ?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2636704 mark7
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Typical American bullshit...they never learn, fucking gun-toting idiots. Oh yeah, let's all carry handguns and see how innocent bystanders start shooting each others in shopping malls, when some nut opens fire and people start panicking.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:55 | 2637551 TSA gropee
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Lmao. So I assume you have links to all these incidences of gun toting mall patrons shooting each other? You must be here for our amusement. It's the only thing that makes sense. No one here is advocating firearms for everyone and no one ever will. You offer only superficial nonsense that requires very little if any thought.

I suspect you're jealous of the freedoms we have such as the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments. Rightly so. Enjoy your unrealized subjugation.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:32 | 2637441 HardAssets
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Now why would some nut go to a place where he knew there were tons of well armed citizens ? Answer - - they don't go there, dipshit. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:34 | 2637118 ebworthen
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Mark7:

You would prefer to bleat and be led to slaughter it appears.

The police will "form a perimeter" and "secure the area" while you are being shot and bleed to death.

After the first two shots it will be pretty clear who the nutcase is. 

I'd rather have the freedom to defend myself and die in a hail of bullets than be a helpless sheep.

When you hand over self-determination to government you are already dead.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:48 | 2637523 HungrySeagull
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After a nuclear attack in any place within the CONUS, the government will establish three zones.

Bullseye zone, no entry, no exit. Those who survived blast will "DRT" die right there in time.

Intermediate zone... good for 24 hours rescue and assessment but after that, no one in, no one out.

Outer zone... Anyone can be taken care of but after a time, no one in no one out.

If you are inside a ruined city block by yourself dying... it's going to be rather lonely and long ...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:35 | 2637457 HardAssets
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Seconds into a mutlitple shooting . . . the police are minutes away.

Those would feel like very long minutes to the people there.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:47 | 2637101 Ckierst1
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Elmer Fudd's Wule #1 for Wabbit Hunting-

Don't hunt wabbits where wabbits shoot back.

Simply returning fire at the perp will force an interruption in his agenda of slaughter.  The Cinemark Century 16 was a free fire zone for the perp.  Kinda like Wall St. for bankstas.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:52 | 2636936 Overfed
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You're about 5 times as likely to be shot either accidentally or through mis-identification by a cop than by a CCW holder. Proven fact.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:04 | 2636905 SgtShaftoe
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It seems to work pretty well actually.  If you look at the crime statistics, guns in citizens hands save hundreds of lives a year, and no ccw holders are blowing holes through watermelon at the grocery store.  Millions of americans carry every day and go about their business, including me.  CCW holders have a negligent rate of use at least 50 times less than law enforcement.  It's so low, it's effectively zero.  Many ccw holders have far more practice than law enforcement, and are better educated.  We didn't need/want to become a cop but have the capabilities to protect our community. If you want a bunch of people who are bullies being the only people armed, move to chicago or DC!  Please!  Tell me how that works for you!

 

When are these fucking self defense panty-waists prohibitionists going to learn that rolling over on your back to be raped and murdered by those who sieze power over you in a situation or organized takeover doesn't work?  When are these pussies going to grow a set and stand up for what is right, their family and community!  When are these people going to realize that bad people are attracted to power, and predators are just a fact of nature, that's why nature gives animals a means for self defense.  When are these little pussies going to realize that the cops cannot and in many cases will refuse to help you if it puts them in danger, and that they are not obligated to protect people?  Wake the fuck up!  Be a man, or a woman, and take responsibility for your fucking life.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:46 | 2637512 HungrySeagull
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Speaking of watermelons, I heard from Drudge this week that 300 kids flash mobbed a store and tore their food section up among other things.

5 mags, 45 rounds plus one in chamber against a flowing, living body borg of 300 potentially bad guys.... whew...

Note, I said potentially. Cooper Orange for sure, very close to red while I get out of there.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:21 | 2636783 LynRobison
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It is a matter of deciding whether or not you want to be a victim. 

Last year, on that Norwegian island where that nut shot and killed 69 people, everyone just ran, hid, and then waited to die (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/25/eyewitness-account-utoya-shooting). 

Simply waiting to die whenever some crazy decides to kill me or the innocent people around me is something that I am not willing to do.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:55 | 2636949 mark7
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"It is a matter of deciding whether or not you want to be a victim. "

Like Fort Hood shooting?! The most populous U.S. military installation in the world, located just outside Killeen, Texas. A single gunman killed 13 people and wounded 29 others. Helluva lot of good those weapons did to the victims....IN AN ARMY BASE!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 16:00 | 2637568 TSA gropee
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Your posts are clueless emotional responses devoid of any research. You swallowed your foot on this one bigtime. How's that size 9 taste? lmao.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:10 | 2637329 Winston Smith 2009
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"Helluva lot of good those weapons did to the victims....IN AN ARMY BASE!"

Yet another individual commenting on something they know absolutely nothing about other than the garbage spewed by the media.  EVERYONE except military police is UNARMED on military installations.  The carry of firearms by anyone other than MPs is strictly prohibited except for the transfer of firearms into and out of police storage but only for those who live on the installation because they can't store any firearms they may own at home.  And that is why the people who were shot on Ft. Hood were sitting ducks.

Sat, 07/21/2012 - 20:48 | 2639530 Vooter
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So why are they unarmed? Christ, after reading the posts from all the Yosemite Sams on this site, I would think that the military would require people on their bases to carry ten weapons apiece, and maybe even fire warning shots over the heads of random people walking by, in case those people were "bad guys" who wanted to "victimize" them. Look out! Can't be too careful! Bad guys everywhere! Terrorists! LOL...you people are FUCKING NUTS.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:08 | 2637022 LynRobison
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Ignorance is a dangerous weapon, to the people that wield it. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2636996 SgtShaftoe
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Um, hello... welcome to the real world!  If you've ever been on a military base you'd know they are some of the most gun prohibitionist areas in the country.  You get patted down after leaving the firing range to ensure you don't still even have any live ammunition for christs sake!  Nobody is armed on a military base with a weapon that can go bang unless they are a MP, or on the firing range/ in the field. 

Sat, 07/21/2012 - 20:54 | 2639539 Vooter
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So WHY IS THAT??? Shouldn't you be complaining about that to your Congressman? LOL...you should call up the nearest military base and insist that they start reading the comments section on Zero Hedge, because then they would understand why it's necessary to be fully armed at all times and ready to kill all the bad guys who are just hanging from the trees like fucking vampire bats, waiting to victimize red, white and blue America. Jesus CHRIST--can I borrow one of your guns to shoot myself?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:59 | 2636685 10mm
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What is going on now.Well,the UN Smalls Arms Treaty and election yr.Hmmmmm

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:56 | 2636667 proLiberty
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Notice the frequent reminders of the massacre at Columbine High School. The other commonality is that in both cases, bombs and/or destructive devices were left behind as part of the plan and in both cases the media has focused on refining laws prohibiting possession of firearms and has paid no attention to laws prohibiting destructive devices.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:53 | 2636656 Gringo Viejo
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I'm an old vet, staunch proponent of the 2nd Amendment, and I wouldn't want to be within a mile of this guy while he's armed. There's nothing "glorious" about taking human life.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:48 | 2636635 James
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There are two types of Men in this world.

You are a Man

Or you are a mouse

 

Sat, 07/21/2012 - 21:01 | 2639551 Vooter
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Yeah, if your world is a shack in the Ozarks...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:38 | 2636886 Salt
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There's also two types of outcomes. The windshield or the bug.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:11 | 2636744 crawldaddy
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thats just stupid.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:46 | 2636626 bankruptcylawyer
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this kind of advertising for products belongs on alex jones. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2636589 supersajin
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I studied Krav Maga for 2 years with weapons training. I cant dodge bullets but I am mentally prepared for ANYTHING when I walk out the door.  GOD forbid i'm ever in this suituation, I will know how to react and do my best to protect my & my families life!!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:43 | 2637498 HungrySeagull
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I am very basic Krav. Just enough to disarm or stop a threat.

About all I am good for anyway but I do keep a positive mindset and as long there is breath, there is fight.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:59 | 2636687 MrTouchdown
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I read this post as I was getting ready to go to my Krav Maga class! Booya!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:43 | 2636610 crawldaddy
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Train 2 years to learn duck and run?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:13 | 2636758 otto skorzeny
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what do you expect from an Israeli program- they duck and run to Uncle Sam when they need help(and like a supplicant whore he always is accomodating)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2636588 Gringo Viejo
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"Gloriously?"....get a grip....and I ain't talkin' pistol grip 'bro.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:29 | 2636552 LawsofPhysics
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Life is about many things, but chance always favors the prepared, period.  Stupid fucking sheep, somethings never change.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:53 | 2636604 Gadocat99
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“Headquartered in Plano, TX, Cinemark Holdings, Inc. is a leader in the motion picture exhibition industry with 459 theaters and 5,181 screens in the U.S. and Latin America as of March 31, 2012,” their website reports. Cinemark owns the Century 16 movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, scene of last night’s mass shooting. Cinemark doesn’t allow anyone other than law enforcement officers to carry legal firearms in their theaters. The ban hadn’t escape the attention of some of Cinemark’s law-abiding, gun-toting customers—even before last night’s homicidal frenzy. Make the jump for the story of a Cinemark patron ejected from the cinema for Open Carrying [via defensivecarry.com] . . .

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/robert-farago/cinemark-theaters...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:55 | 2636950 Overfed
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In concealed carry, the operative word is "concealed". Fuck their "weapons prohibited" signs, they didn't stop James Holmes.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2636700 cbxer55
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Exactly! Cinemarks are just about all movie theaters here in OK. No guns allowed.

Funny, last time my wife and I went to one, two or more years ago, I had my Kimber .45 on me, as well as my North American Arms .32 Guardian. No one was the wiser. Well concealed is an art, and if the stuff is well concealed, no one will know. Best holster in the world IMHO is the CrossBreed Supertuck. Also a spare magazine holder from same. Tuck your shirt in around it, and no one will be the wiser.

http://crossbreedholsters.com/SuperTuckDeluxe/tabid/90/List/0/ProductID/1/CategoryID/1/Level/1/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:42 | 2637490 HungrySeagull
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Crossbreed.

Combat Cut. IWB mags the same on the left.

It makes a little bit of sound on the draw but in the moment it matters little. Rides good and conceals well.

I cannot tell you how many clueless or maybe OTHER conceals were with me in line at walmart.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:58 | 2636678 proLiberty
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The policy and signs sure worked this time, didn't they?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:33 | 2636567 crawldaddy
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yeah arm up kids we are going to see a movie. WHat are you a fool?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2636586 LawsofPhysics
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Where do I say to "arm kids".  Details do actually matter idiot.  Troll harder.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:42 | 2636600 crawldaddy
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you are a delusional nutbag. You are part of the problem, not solution.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:06 | 2636712 LawsofPhysics
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Spoken like a true sheeple in favor of the nanny state.  I am a "delusional nubag" because...   < crickets >

Only people with the "right" viewpoint or "education" are allowed to have this discussion. This is typical of most liberals who don't want to discuss any ideas or policies that actually involve the concept of independent responsibility or real consequences for bad behavior.  Here's something we might actually agree on, how about enforcing the laws on the book already for a fucking change?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:12 | 2636753 AnAnonymous
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Only people with the "right" viewpoint or "education" are allowed to have this discussion.

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Like minded people. The group is all for US citizens.

Usually, when people share the 'right' point of view, there is nothing much to discuss. All they do is reinforcing their 'right' point of view.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:26 | 2636816 LawsofPhysics
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Like minded people. The group is all for China citizens.

Usually, when people share the 'right' point of view, there is nothing much to discuss. All they do is reinforcing their 'right' point of view.

-fixed

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2636876 AnAnonymous
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Kicking the can is a way to solve a problem. Ask US citizens, they know a lot about kicking the can.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:03 | 2637005 akak
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Chinese Citizenism citizens prefer to avoid the can altogether, much preferring to use the sides of the road instead.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:11 | 2636748 bobnoxy
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You guys are priceless. The answer to too much gun violence is always...more guns! How many do you think will go out armed, and freeze up when someone points their gun at them?

Maybe tougher restrictions than what we already have in place, which you agree with, is a better answer. We can go back to the wild west days, or something saner, and more evolved. Oops, you don't believe in evolution either, do you?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:00 | 2636977 Overfed
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When seconds count, the cops are minutes away.

Stop being a statist, cop-dick sucking punk. Buy a gun and learn to take your protection and that of your family into your own hands. You'll feel safer and freer than you ever have before.

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