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Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Well, maybe.
Or the dead bodies of our children and friends.
I know, I know, Second Amendment and all that but get real; you will never be better armed than your government and you are going to lose a shootout with them no matter what. This isn’t 1776. Ruby Ridge, Waco and Occupy taught us that.
I know, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Not to put too fine a point on it, but technically, it’s the bullets.
And, that would seem to me to be at least one place we could start to find some compromise between no guns and vast unlimited arsenals of nothing more than implements of death. Ammunition could be made far less deadly and destructive, and who needs thousands of rounds?
Hunters, real sportsmen, go into the field with single shot weapons. Being from the middle of nowhere, my parents owned thirteen guns between them, none of which was a handgun. And, only two of them were repeaters; my mother’s custom Browning 16 gauge over and under (2 shots) and an automatic repeating rifle that I never saw come out of its very distinctive leather case.
It was half the length of the long gun cases. It may not have been legal at the time because, even as a kid, I perceived that my parents seemed to regard this particular gun with a great deal more gravitas.
If they take all of our guns away, we won’t need the bullets. So, maybe the two sides could come together and find common ground on the ammunition.
Unfortunately, the discussion involving whether or not guns should be legal is an argument that leads right to where the gun lobby wants it—nowhere.
On the one hand, those with criminal intent won’t care whether guns are legal or not. They’ll just get them from the Department of Justice when they work out the agreement on the money laundering services also conveniently available through a “single point of contact” at the DOJ.
Beyond that, with over 200 million privately owned guns in about 50 million American homes, seizing them would be a monumental task involving lots of domestic bloodshed.
What we do not need right now is a nationwide search of every farmhouse, outhouse, or chicken coop looking for guns to confiscate.
Guns and bullets are only symptoms of a disease, our mental health crisis.
The unrelenting stresses of a failing economy and the sense of outrage being felt as more and more people feel powerless against the oppression are increasing the murder and murder/suicide rates in every community.
Always absent from any discussion about health care are the health care risks posed to innocent people by a system that devotes fewer and fewer resources to mental illness. If it isn’t bleeding it won’t be treated.
The reaction in Aurora in the wake of the theater shootings has been a curious one, an increase in gun sales…presumably to take to the movies.
The people who sell metal detectors must be just drooling having calculated that there are about 39,000 movie theatres in America.
But, it won’t help. Anywhere people gather can provide an opportunity for a nut job to kill a bunch of people. The mall, the marina, the hospital, the amusement park, the day care center are all vulnerable. We don’t need metal detectors, we need mental detectors.
You don’t need a gun to inflict mayhem and misery. Timothy McVey brought down a seven story building killing 178 and injuring hundreds with a U-Haul full of fertilizer.
But, there is a bigger problem. We are a nation steeped in violence. We forcibly took this land and murdered those who stood in our way. I’m not pointing the finger; my family was leading the way.
War is our primary domestic export. Remember when we were “hog butcher for the world”? Today we are the people butcher for the world. At the moment, there are 121 wars being waged around the world, and one way or another, we have got our hand or our arms in all of them.
If we aren’t selling them weapons directly, we are supplying them through some sort of shadowy middleman. That is why there is the occupational title of “Arms Dealer”.
This is how they avoid the brief but embarrassing revelations such as the Justice Department selling guns directly to the Mexican drug cartels. Text your friendly arms dealer and build a layer of plausible deniability. Those wild and crazy, though grossly incompetent, guys over at the Justice Department. What a hoot!
Remember when we went to Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction? We didn’t find any so we started to sell them some back in 2005. It does make you wonder how many US casualties resulted from weapons we sold them.
Decade after decade we ask our young men and women to sacrifice their lives on behalf of peace and freedom. Or, perhaps more appropriately, the very lucrative military industrial complex that will provide both sides of the conflict with exactly as much expensive military hardware as is necessary to maintain equal strength and ongoing conflict among the foes.
Remember when the goal was to end wars as quickly as possible?
Being ever at war affects a nations psyche. Teenagers have never known a time when we weren’t at war. Warrior becomes a “career choice” for which they train on high tech video games. They are what we made them. Detached, indifferent, conditioned to violence and sometimes lusting for blood. Actual blood, not virtual blood.
We justify drone strikes as necessary and send a message that, yeah, killing is okay, sometimes.
Then it’s only a matter of deciding when it is okay, and when it isn’t. Liquor, testosterone, and mental illness obscure the bounds that normally hold us in check.
With our economy decimated, the troops come home to no jobs and no safety net, and kill their families. How the hell can we be surprised by that?
Our priorities are all screwed up. We have the funds for unlimited warfare but not for universal health care.
Poverty is growing in the US not because of a lack of money. Look how much we could find to give the banks so bankstas had something from which to pay themselves obscene bonuses.
Poverty is growing because of a vast criminal conspiracy.
In the meantime, the global game of Ponzi continues because of our leader’s unwillingness to stop it.
Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result is the very definition of insanity.
Watch now to see if someone doesn’t step forward with the idea that maybe our problems could be solved if we gave the banks more money.
Things are getting worse, not better. There will be more mass murders and horrific acts of violence, and they will not be fueled by guns but by the untreated mental illness produced by the stress of economic and social collapse.
Where I come from, everybody had guns, lots of guns, but we didn’t shoot each other with them. Obviously, we, and not the guns, are the problem.
Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights.
Since both sides have a stake in the outcome, both sides should devote substantial energy and resources advocating for universal healthcare and sufficient funding to effectively treat the small percentage of the population who suffer from this largely treatable yet little understood human frailty.
Further debating the issue of gun ownership prevents us from coming to grips with the real problem and reducing deaths attributed to acts of insane violence.
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Put those facts away please. Liberals don't need them.
Hard to debate the clarity of the Second Amendment; "shall not be infringed" is crystal clear.
Thank you for pointing out that mental illness, poorly treated, and many times unfunded or unavailable leads to more tragedy than any tool.
When "How to Survive in LA after the Collapse" becomes a reality TV show ... that's when I will get scared
Americans must NEVER give up their guns.
don't give them up just recycle them into plowshares.
Perfectly reasonable thing to do once Christ is ruling on the earth and the scumbags have all been thrown into the lake of fire.
So why don't these people, instead of blowing away innocents... head down to Wall St... and really make a STATEMENT...
By appearing at lunch hour in front of the Goldman offices and opening up with an AK47 on the pricks?
Now that would sure get people's attention.
Their are better ways of getting attention. Try loving your neighbor and telling everyone you know about the wonders of credit unions. Take your money out of the system if you disagree with the system.
Btw 911 style events are detrimental to constitutional civil liberties and supportive of a need for a police state. Realize that at all times your actions have unintended consequences. Be responsible.
Yshua bless
Because you would kill regular nobodies who didn't know better than finance when they were deciding what they're going to be in life.
The big shots hardly ever come to office and they usually sit elsewhere anyway (Park Ave. etc).
Also, the bank's staff are so all over the place nowadays that shooting a few people on Wall St. wouldn't make a difference. Even if Wall St. was shut down, it wouldn't do anything.
If any of you guys really wanted to do something and shut down the beast, you wouldn't use a gun but a computer. A gun would be needed *after* the fake money stopped flowing.
An elite seldom riots against themselves.
In US citizenism, the king class is the middle class.
And that king class will try to keep up with the good old recipes.
US citizens do not revolt against themselves, they cant change, their nature is eternal.
Look more for action to suppress the weak and the poor. You wont be disappointed as US citizens are promised to deliver.
That's an interesting point. You would never get within 5 blocks.
"Second Amendment and all that but get real; you will never be better armed than your government and you are going to lose a shootout with them no matter what."
I seem to find myself saying this a lot lately;
Hows that war with the guys in flipflops sporting 30 year old Russian AK's going? The Federal gvt taking on single cases like Waco or even more rediclously, a bunch of women and children caught off guard at home IS NO COMPARISON to the purpose of the second Amendment.
And hell... Lets talk about Ruby Ridge. Even though they were taken by surprise, they killed one FBI guy, right? Whats the ratio of armed gvt agents to armed Americans?
I'm not agitating for conflict, but lets get real. Here, I'll make it simple. Watch a cartoon....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTL7P3c3_Ag
First point:
-the US military professionalized around 1975.
The US military has been involved in many asymetric warfare theatres.
Veterans have built a war experience on shooting people who are vastly under equipped when it comes to them.
US military tactics are then grown around the very lack of any air force/navy among the enemy.
So lets factor that point in.
US military active and vets have no to little experience of fights that is done against an enemy that has superior technology, superior weaponry, superior intelligence, superior logistics.
As they are US citizens, they will keep to what they do the best and that is perpetuating the actions of warfare they are used to.
To a conclusion, one has to include that point when measuring the number of armed gvt agents vs armed 'americans' as the number of armed gvt agents have to include ex gvt agents.
The second point is that suppletive troops exist and the US has always grown a large experience in handling and recruiting suppletive troops.
US citizens of A have been armed from the beginning. If they could use weapons to fight tyranny in a government, it would be known by now.
A tyrant can not be more secured than among a crowd of armed US citizens as the tyrant knows US citizens wont use their guns to overthrow the tyrant but on the contrary, are ready (as shown by history) to use their guns to maintain the tyrant in his position of power.
The way it works.
US world order.
" If they could use weapons to fight tyranny in a government, it would be known by now."
Uh, no. Americans still have plenty to lose. When they have nothing left to lose THEN they'll lose it. The rest of what you had to say was nearly completely incoherant.
There are so, so many reasons the USG would fail. Demoralization, the inability to fight domestically without polarizing the population against them, on and on and on. It'll be like Iraq but with even more restriction on what they can do.
And again. Hows that war against Mullah Omar going? Oh, right...the USG gave up after 10 years. Have nice day.
As opposed to contemporary China, whose military has zero combat experience.
It is a point that US citizen chinese will have to solve in a near future by expanding in weak, no army countries so that the Chinese army can experience the battle field experience a US citizen military is fond of.
For those who say armed people would have stopped the Colorado shooter, who could have tossed out pipe bombs and caused more carnage in seconds, they fail to look at the crime scene and understand that a semi-trained shooter could have laid down 100 rounds of 5.56/.223 in well under 1 minute. And at 162 dB it would have looked and sounded like hell coming from the barrel OPERATED BY A HUMAN and not firing itself. It took me 4 magazines and 42 seconds for 120 rounds at the range last weekend. My AR-15 has a Geissell trigger (2 stage, 4 1/2 pound for the gun owners here) and those would have been accurate shots into a coralled group. It is horrific, but a trained soildier or Marine could have done a lot worse.
I agree that law-abiding gun owners should be allowed to more freely carry when duly licensed. I like licensing requirement as to a mandatory class to carry concealed as it at least informs the licensee to KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEHIND IT and that if possible, being a good witness is the best scenario of all and not a shootout that was a mere robbery until you played cop, which you are not. I'd even love to see a 2nd level of carry rights where the individual has taken 30 hours of qualified combat handgun and can then carry everywhere but in a court room nationwide. Because frankly, as someone who has been involved in a shoot-out twice except for the shooting (training got me ahead of my attackers), the majority of CCW holders I know have no training and don't know what to do and it is a proven fact (ask a special forces guy or a professional LEO trainer) that you NEVER rise to the occasion; you default to your lowest level of training proficiency in a crisis, not above it. If you have none you haven't a clue under stress of what to do. And when your brain screams at you that YOU MIGHT DIE, it is indeed stress. A cop, or a civilian with more than paper target training, sitting 15 row up might have changed the dynamics and saved lives in Colorado.But it was not to be.
And I call my incidents a shoot-out because as the two bad guys demanding my wallet tried to circled me, one put only one hand in a jacket (that is a clear move to a weapon) and was lifting his gun out, my training (and I train others now after years of this) kicked in and mine that I had already been holding first was pointed in his chest and I did not have to shoot. I would have if he had not dropped the gun as both fled. Some here may have experienced time slowing (car accidents are great for that), and in that time I decided that if his barrel moved towards me I was shooting both. For the lying-to-themselves macho guys out there who say I should have rid society of scumbags, you don't know what you are talking about as your life is never better when you have shot a man to death. I know one cop who has and one civilian and a number of young Marines with PTSD from battle. Dream On, is all I can say to the arm chair tough guys who at parties tell me what they'll do if they are ever attacked. None have training; most will die. Normal people should find it repulsive to have to kill a man off the battlefield as you go about your day, but it can be necessary. This situation happened a second time and I had 120 lumens lighting the guy up on my side of the car as I exited at night during a carjacking attempt as he showed his gun as both hands covered his eyes and they then fled. Again, training told me to get out of the car the moment I was pinned in at 11 PM.
95% of people who carry a concealed weapon have had no formal training. In a simple situation some might get by if they see it coming such as a mall parking lot where the guy is walking towards you. Most of the 5% who take carrying a deadly weapon quite seriously and train regularly will overwhelmingly prevail and most likely not even have to fire their weapon. It would have been nice if one had been in that theater as rushing the shooter was not happening in that situation.
Why did I write this up? Consider it a Public Service Announcement for you tough guys who don't think they need training but carry a weapon and are in that 95%. When forced to act in split seconds you have not learned what to be looking for, you have not trained to engage in an OODA-LOOP (look it up), and you think you'll show a guy who's the boss when he makes his living using a gun and you don't. Even 10 hours of combat handgun with a qualified LEO trainer is going to show you that you didn't have a clue of what to do now when the SHTF. And if armed in that theater, you likely would have forgotten you even had a gun on you. I would not have. I know that with certainty due to my training as well as needing it twice and seeing training kick-in. Do everyone a favor and spend the money to train and help us make it safer out there.
Socrates
P.S. The author of this article is clueless
Socrates, good points all around, mostly, and I appreciate your observations, but your tone still screams government sanction required and failure guaranteed if you're not ex-Seal Team Six. FYI, the 2nd Ammendment doesn't mention 'formal training.' Or 'licensing.' Many of us are ex-military. In my case, 101st Airborne, 67-68, RVN. Yeah, I'm a bent-over old man now in my 60's, and it's been awhile since I aimed a weapon at a human being, but I can do it again, (and have since then) and I'll feel the same way if I have to the next time, to wit: It's my fucking job and if I do it right, I won't die -- the other guy will. Not all citizens are clueless armchair commandos, especially 2.5 million vets of RVN and another couple of mil vets of the past 10 years in the MiddleEast. I have never touched a fucking video game, wouldn't know what to do with it, so I don't have fantasy problems. Of course, you wouldn't find me at a Batman movie, either, unless it was with my granddaughter, and for her, I would take the bullet. No questions asked. Yes, it takes a few moments to gather your wits when rounds are sprayed, but cutting that actual death toll of 12 down to 10 or 9 or 6 or 4 might have been possible if some 'arm chair commando' had been in the place with a CCW. You're right that there's a terrible cost to taking a human life -- it generates a lot of fucking paperwork. You are also correct that the author of that aricle is a fuckwad. Mental health my ass. But here's your kicker: If Aurora wasnt such a pussy about concealed carry, then that cowardly perp in that theater would have known that a couple dozen folks in there might be armed, and that coward would have never been in there. The liberal assholes running Aurora and their voters share the blame for the theater killings.
" but your tone still screams government sanction required and failure guaranteed if you're not ex-Seal Team Six."
Not my intention at all. But there is a problem and it's that taking a class to learn the laws regarding concealed carry and the use of force as well as how to never be deemed "the agressor" (you lose many rights in a claim of self-defense) and passing a very easy shooting requirement (some show-up with a gun owned) makes for some individuals who are going to be very dangerous. Knowing if one can "drop the hammer" is not 100% known until you have been in a situation to have to do so. If many out of basic training aren't going to do so immediately when put into a combat zone as others shoot at them, the rate is likely quite high for those who do not train at all. The guys I know who tell me how they'll "take care of business" if needed also rarerly shoot but carry all the time. I don't like regulations either, but I also don't want to be behind an aisle in a convenience store at what is statistically going to overwhelming a simple robbery of the register and have someone panic and start shooting.
No state is ever going to pick-up the cost of a 10 hour combat shooting class when most cops not on a SWAT team shoot like crap due to lack of training ($$$$) and many don't even hold a gun properly. I'm not taking anything away from the rest of the difficult job they perform, but shooting is not their strong point.
I don't think you need to be SEAL trained to carry as I'm sure not. Those are professionals who train to the point of being close to impossible to miss. But by the same token I have seen people pass the class and hoped they never have to use their weapon with people around. I wish I had an answer as to how to prevent a shooting mishap, and thankfully they are rare. It really comes down to personal responsibility. I can talk all evening to friends who carry and explain how in two situations I had that they couldn't have made the movemnents I made to change the attacker's game plan (because they never trained to and have no idea of how to start thinking) and would have been in deep shit. I would never say it if they were shot, but the fact is that you can't be handed a baasketball and a playbook and told you will be playing Michael Jordan in 7 seconds when you never dribbled a ball. And their refusal to train at all and believe that because they are the good guys the other guy's bullets will miss the mark and they will prevail is, frankly, dumb. They are often professionals, in a sense, who have no fear of shooting you while my friends often don't even have the right holster nor proper access to it while worn.
Just my expoerience here. I hope it made someone think about taking some training.
Semper Fi
Training is a good thing you really can't get too much of. That said, a responsible first response to any possible armed encounter is to simply remove ones self from the situation if at all possible. Remember kiddies, it may come down to a jury of less than stellar quality that decides your fate after the rounds have already gone downrange.
Absolutely correct. And if one takes quality training you will get an inkling of how cops look at body language and know who could be a problem. The best shot is the one not fired. I could have fired twice. But did I want a Grand Jury deciding my fate? We have a Castle Law, but still, your life is never better if you shoot someone, even if you save your own life or that of another innocent,
George Gerbner devoted his life to studying the connection between TV and entertainment violence and actual events of violence.
His observations surprised everyone and are ignored by the MSM.
One of his main conclusions was that it is silly to try find causality between psychos, violent entertainment and fire arms.
The real impact is the effect on the population, which is fear and pacification. For a sense of false security, people are more willing to cede civil liberties to as a trade off.
This puts a very different intellectual spin on the firearms debate. Hollywood, the NRA and the government. There are for profit and political motivations.
None of them give a flying fuck about your constitutional rights and having everyone argue about whether guns or people kill is exactly what they want.
His views on Hollywood and the formula of entertainment violence were also unpopular in Hollywood. Why do we have so much violent entertainment? Is it because people hate drama and love stories? No. Its because there are low cultural barriers to exporting violent film. Films are measured by their world wide gross. Many films would barely break even if distributed solely in the US.
Drama requires complex liguistic and cultural translation, which is very expensive. Violent entertainment reqires none of that.
This puts a very different spin on the idea that Americans are just inherently violent people who relish violent entertanment. Who is feeding all the violent imagery? Are we really so violent or is it what Hollywood likes for us to consume?
Consider one of Gerbners other salient observations. The average adolescent American spends more time with the TV set than with his or her parents.
These kinds of observations get buried in the noise and it is not an accident.
If you really want to get frightened, look into the phenomena of "behavioral sink." Let me assure you, that is what your government is focused on.
"The real impact is the effect on the population, which is fear and pacification. For a sense of false security, people are more willing to cede civil liberties to ( ? ) as a trade off."
Good enough to bear repetition.
"Fuck off and stick to topics you understand."
I love this place!
After reading these high quality comments, I've decided to replace Zero Hedge with JSMineset as my home page for awhile. At least Sinclair isn't certifiably insane.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
This post and others like it that have turned up recently are part of a wave of scaremongering propaganda on the heels of the theater massacre. The same dark entities that are trying to shake us out of our PM positions are trying to shake us out of our firearm positions. How dare we try to protect ourselves from them, financially or physically? I mean, just who the fuck do we think we are?
Tonight I read numerous articles about how the super equipped police, Nat'l Guard, DHS, etc will take your guns, enslave you, etc etc etc. But you must remember that all that equipment takes money, training, & logistics. All of these elements fall apart when a national gov't can no longer afford to pay the bills. We are not at that point yet, but it is probably closer than most think, & don't respond "they will just print more money" - it doesn't work that way.... it is likely to come before you might think.... and then the local control will wane, and all that high priced military equipment sitting in the local police dept parking lots will just sit there..... Of course don't forget that most police depts (esp rural areas), nat'l guard soldiers, etc are not inclinded to abuse the people (the Chicago or N.Y. or ??? PD might be a different story). Maybe a set of new recuits for TSA might behave differently, time will tell....
Some of this equipment might find usage in the next election cycle or two.... but I personally expect that the federal gov't funding will wane way before a lot of this specialized military equipment will be utilized on American soil.
All of these elements fall apart when a national gov't can no longer afford to pay the bills.
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What bills?
When you run an extortion of the weak, farming of the poor business as US citizens do, the question is about finding weak and poor, not paying bills.
Now people who think that the weak and the poor are to be found in the urban areas while rich and strong are to be found in the rural areas, deny the very own logics of civilization and city building.
Not a surprise, those deniers are likely to be US citizens, allowed in their fantasy land by the very State they hate.
All those politicians, bureaucrats, bankers, and warriors will suddenly find a productive skill to support themselves after bankruptcy? Hah!
It's easier and more lucrative to enslave a productive class, and feed off their productivity, rather than be productive.
When the thugs can no longer print and buy, they will simple take (by force) using all those fancy weapons they bought.
Slight correction here: extorters of the weak, farmers of the poor will keep producing what they know how to produce: extortion and farming.
They are productive people. The false dichotomy of production is usually brought by US citizens who cant accept that production is consumption.
More cadmium and lead enriched excrement from AnAnonymous:
Slight correction here: AnAnonymous is correctly referring here to Chinese citizenism brickyard owners like his friend Wang Bingbing. However, in addition to being extorters of the weak and farmers of the poor, they are also kidnappers and enslavers of children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_slave_scandal
"Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights."
Fuck off and stick to topics you understand.
Ammunition that "isn't as lethal" in the terminal ballistic sense is also an order of magnitude more dangerous in the "collateral damage" sense. It's alse irrelevant because any idiot can quickly modify ammunition to do pretty much anything they want it to. The only options you're talking about here are less-lethal munitions that will generally fail to stop an opponent, or mandating FMJ rounds like New Jersey (which is a dismal and irresponsible failure for the reasons stated above - overpenetration)
Magazines are not the space shuttle. They're not hard to make, particularly if you can cut the feed lips off of a neutered magazine and scavenge the follower and baseplate.
We have arms as a last resort for keeping the government in its place. There are a lot of regimes recently that found out the hard way how just how much their tanks, helicopters, and aircraft mattered when people were finally, truly, tired of their shit.
Nobody ever advocates restricting personal arms for an entire population "for their own good" - only to make it easier to coerce and rule them. I don't think you're some sort of special exception to that rule.
On the resistance to a government's tyranny, and not having a chance... you are quite ignorant to reality and to the terrible game of warfare. The Afganis who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 yards have given the US Army and Marine Corps a helluva run, as did the Vietnamese peasants. Watching the Hadjis try to run an op is like watching the three stooges, but they have combat power. Conventional forces are extremely vulnerable in specific points, especially on an individual's home turf against guerilla tactics. If tyranny and a dictator arises in the USA, the remaining forces that didn't desert would be absolutely destroyed. What makes you think, if real tyranny came to the USA, that the military would be the primary target? Everyone knows that even in specific military battles, that the supply lines are the target, not the main combat force, that applies equally to the command and control. That's how warfare works. This is basic Claustwitz, "War is politics by other means".
The best way forward for common Americans' future is a healthy force of genuine deterrence, combined with peaceful non-violent protest. Deterrence has worked for the Swiss for centuries. It worked for the US and Soviets in MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) It will work for the lay-citizen as well. Remove the battle space from the board as an option, and we can operate in more civilized paradigms, protest, etc. ZH needs to take over occupy WS, and we might get this thing before it goes nuclear.
you are quite ignorant to reality and to the terrible game of warfare. The Afganis who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 yards have given the US Army and Marine Corps a helluva run, as did the Vietnamese peasants.
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US citizens who tell...
Comparing apples and oranges... Afghans are a very different mettle from your typical US citizen.
Dont expect a US citizen to mimic Afghans' war performances. They cant.
US citizen vets will line up with the group that give them the most survival rate and that it is not the US People as this one is unable to maintain and provide the same war actions US citizens have gained experience in...
US citizen warfare superiority is one of mass consumption superiority: heavy technology, heavy logistics...
US citizen vets/military would be totally inapt at fighting if the roles were reversed.
Dont expect a US citizen to join the wrong side. They will join the side with the heaviest airforce/navy which are not owned privately by US citizens.
The way it is.
That is not the way it is.
You are so far off base that you don't even warrant any further comment
That is the way it is. What are you lacking right now to disprove the observations performed earlier? Guns? US citizens of A have plenty of them.
The comment is so on target that no comment can eliminate its accuracy.
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On target? Dawai, dawai. Made me laugh. Your only accuracy is in elimination, because you always hit the side of the road when squatting down to poo.
Hammes' "The Sling and the Stone" is definitely worth reading.
You are a coward George. STFU and go bake some cookies.............
I think the issue is not mental health, but the militarization of everything in the US. All Americans should read the book "blowback" by Chalmers Johnson, and his other works. The US has committed egregious sins on this little world of ours, and we're likely not to see the end of the blowback for a generation or two, that is, unless things change dramatically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPr_T7btVgA
On the resistance to a government's tyranny, and not having a chance... you are quite ignorant to reality and to the terrible game of warfare. The Afganis who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 yards have given the US Army and Marine Corps a helluva run, as did the Vietnamese peasants. Watching the Hadjis try to run an op is like watching the three stooges, but they have combat power. Conventional forces are extremely vulnerable in specific points, especially on an individual's home turf against guerilla tactics. If tyranny and a dictator arises in the USA, the remaining forces that didn't desert would be absolutely destroyed. What makes you think, if real tyranny came to the USA, that the military would be the primary target? Everyone knows that even in specific military battles, that the supply lines are the target, not the main combat force, that applies equally to the command and control. That's how warfare works. This is basic Claustwitz, "War is politics by other means".
The best way forward for common Americans' future is a healthy force of genuine deterrence, combined with peaceful non-violent protest. Deterrence has worked for the Swiss for centuries. It worked for the US and Soviets in MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) It will work for the lay-citizen as well. Remove the battle space from the board as an option, and we can operate in more civilized paradigms, protest, etc. ZH needs to take over occupy WS, and we might get this thing before it goes nuclear.
you are quite ignorant to reality and to the terrible game of warfare. The Afganis who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 50 yards have given the US Army and Marine Corps a helluva run, as did the Vietnamese peasants.
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US citizens who tell...
Comparing apples and oranges... Afghans are a very different mettle from your typical US citizen.
Dont expect a US citizen to mimic Afghans' war performances. They cant.
US citizen vets will line up with the group that give them the most survival rate and that it is not the US People as this one is unable to maintain and provide the same war actions US citizens have gained experience in...
US citizen warfare superiority is one of mass consumption superiority: heavy technology, heavy logistics...
US citizen vets/military would be totally inapt at fighting if the roles were reversed.
Dont expect a US citizen to join the wrong side. They will join the side with the heaviest airforce/navy which are not owned privately by US citizens.
The way it is.
The Chinese citizenism cuckoo clock chimes in a minute ahead of schedule.
Ban VIcodin instead
They pretty much have already. Are you sure you want all those people waking up?
It is also great how really sick people suffer every day because of the lack of pain meds.
Families are broken by the War Of Drugs.
Legalize everything and let people decide how to best run their lives.
Probably most of the people they consider addicts are just trying to dull out some trama in their past.
Love one another. Love your neighbor as yourself and don't forget, you could very likely be old and sick and hurting someday.
Government ought to heed the words of my father and not "Shit in their own MessKit".
Look at these pictures, can you imagine if 1/4 of these people were armed?
http://cryptome.org/2012-info/qidong/qidong-protest.htm
1) Of course our government doesn't fear a fight with armed citizens. However, the Obama types do fear secure, self sufficient citizens. That is what this whole gun control issue is about. If we can defend ourselves from common criminals, we are less afraid and needy.
2) Instead of gun owners compromising with the gun controllers it should be the control freaks who should, for once, compromise. I suggest that every household be required to own a handgun. Now we can compromise...O.K. Bloomberg, only half of all households.
The Second Amendment enshrined the right of the people to hunt ... tyrants. No wonder modern government hates it. They fear it. As they should.
The Second Amendment enshrined the right of the people to hunt ... tyrants. No wonder modern government hates it. They fear it. As they should.
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Made me laugh.
Modern government personal live in fear. No ruler has been in fear as those of the modern government.
It is somehow funny, US citizens go all day long on this loss or that loss etc but keep thinking that guns are left in their hands because their government is powerless in removing the guns.
Well, the fact is that US citizens are allowed to keep guns for the same reason they are allowed to vent their frustration on sites like this one: it is no threat to the government power and on the contrary, it helps secure the government grip on power.
People in power have to deal with reality. If indeed, an armed people was a threat to a US citizen government, that threat would have been dealt with.
Especially that Obummer freak. You know all that wealth he stole from America? Well, he didn't build it. He stole it.
By far the best piece I've seen on the Aurora shootings yet. +1.