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Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Well, maybe.
Or the dead bodies of our children and friends.
I know, I know, Second Amendment and all that but get real; you will never be better armed than your government and you are going to lose a shootout with them no matter what. This isn’t 1776. Ruby Ridge, Waco and Occupy taught us that.
I know, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Not to put too fine a point on it, but technically, it’s the bullets.
And, that would seem to me to be at least one place we could start to find some compromise between no guns and vast unlimited arsenals of nothing more than implements of death. Ammunition could be made far less deadly and destructive, and who needs thousands of rounds?
Hunters, real sportsmen, go into the field with single shot weapons. Being from the middle of nowhere, my parents owned thirteen guns between them, none of which was a handgun. And, only two of them were repeaters; my mother’s custom Browning 16 gauge over and under (2 shots) and an automatic repeating rifle that I never saw come out of its very distinctive leather case.
It was half the length of the long gun cases. It may not have been legal at the time because, even as a kid, I perceived that my parents seemed to regard this particular gun with a great deal more gravitas.
If they take all of our guns away, we won’t need the bullets. So, maybe the two sides could come together and find common ground on the ammunition.
Unfortunately, the discussion involving whether or not guns should be legal is an argument that leads right to where the gun lobby wants it—nowhere.
On the one hand, those with criminal intent won’t care whether guns are legal or not. They’ll just get them from the Department of Justice when they work out the agreement on the money laundering services also conveniently available through a “single point of contact” at the DOJ.
Beyond that, with over 200 million privately owned guns in about 50 million American homes, seizing them would be a monumental task involving lots of domestic bloodshed.
What we do not need right now is a nationwide search of every farmhouse, outhouse, or chicken coop looking for guns to confiscate.
Guns and bullets are only symptoms of a disease, our mental health crisis.
The unrelenting stresses of a failing economy and the sense of outrage being felt as more and more people feel powerless against the oppression are increasing the murder and murder/suicide rates in every community.
Always absent from any discussion about health care are the health care risks posed to innocent people by a system that devotes fewer and fewer resources to mental illness. If it isn’t bleeding it won’t be treated.
The reaction in Aurora in the wake of the theater shootings has been a curious one, an increase in gun sales…presumably to take to the movies.
The people who sell metal detectors must be just drooling having calculated that there are about 39,000 movie theatres in America.
But, it won’t help. Anywhere people gather can provide an opportunity for a nut job to kill a bunch of people. The mall, the marina, the hospital, the amusement park, the day care center are all vulnerable. We don’t need metal detectors, we need mental detectors.
You don’t need a gun to inflict mayhem and misery. Timothy McVey brought down a seven story building killing 178 and injuring hundreds with a U-Haul full of fertilizer.
But, there is a bigger problem. We are a nation steeped in violence. We forcibly took this land and murdered those who stood in our way. I’m not pointing the finger; my family was leading the way.
War is our primary domestic export. Remember when we were “hog butcher for the world”? Today we are the people butcher for the world. At the moment, there are 121 wars being waged around the world, and one way or another, we have got our hand or our arms in all of them.
If we aren’t selling them weapons directly, we are supplying them through some sort of shadowy middleman. That is why there is the occupational title of “Arms Dealer”.
This is how they avoid the brief but embarrassing revelations such as the Justice Department selling guns directly to the Mexican drug cartels. Text your friendly arms dealer and build a layer of plausible deniability. Those wild and crazy, though grossly incompetent, guys over at the Justice Department. What a hoot!
Remember when we went to Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction? We didn’t find any so we started to sell them some back in 2005. It does make you wonder how many US casualties resulted from weapons we sold them.
Decade after decade we ask our young men and women to sacrifice their lives on behalf of peace and freedom. Or, perhaps more appropriately, the very lucrative military industrial complex that will provide both sides of the conflict with exactly as much expensive military hardware as is necessary to maintain equal strength and ongoing conflict among the foes.
Remember when the goal was to end wars as quickly as possible?
Being ever at war affects a nations psyche. Teenagers have never known a time when we weren’t at war. Warrior becomes a “career choice” for which they train on high tech video games. They are what we made them. Detached, indifferent, conditioned to violence and sometimes lusting for blood. Actual blood, not virtual blood.
We justify drone strikes as necessary and send a message that, yeah, killing is okay, sometimes.
Then it’s only a matter of deciding when it is okay, and when it isn’t. Liquor, testosterone, and mental illness obscure the bounds that normally hold us in check.
With our economy decimated, the troops come home to no jobs and no safety net, and kill their families. How the hell can we be surprised by that?
Our priorities are all screwed up. We have the funds for unlimited warfare but not for universal health care.
Poverty is growing in the US not because of a lack of money. Look how much we could find to give the banks so bankstas had something from which to pay themselves obscene bonuses.
Poverty is growing because of a vast criminal conspiracy.
In the meantime, the global game of Ponzi continues because of our leader’s unwillingness to stop it.
Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result is the very definition of insanity.
Watch now to see if someone doesn’t step forward with the idea that maybe our problems could be solved if we gave the banks more money.
Things are getting worse, not better. There will be more mass murders and horrific acts of violence, and they will not be fueled by guns but by the untreated mental illness produced by the stress of economic and social collapse.
Where I come from, everybody had guns, lots of guns, but we didn’t shoot each other with them. Obviously, we, and not the guns, are the problem.
Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights.
Since both sides have a stake in the outcome, both sides should devote substantial energy and resources advocating for universal healthcare and sufficient funding to effectively treat the small percentage of the population who suffer from this largely treatable yet little understood human frailty.
Further debating the issue of gun ownership prevents us from coming to grips with the real problem and reducing deaths attributed to acts of insane violence.
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ALL restrictions on arms owned by USA citizens are unconstitutional.
We have a right to keep and bear ARMS, and arms are the tools necessary to wage war.
Unconstitutional laws are not to be obeyed, according to Jefferson and others of the founders.
Having an agency like BATFE to monitor the arms owned by Americans is itself unconstitutional.
The people of this country are supposed to be the military force, not the government.
To the extent the government has acquired modern weapons and unconstitutionally denied them to citizens it has also increased its disrespect for its citizens.
Citizens need to reclaim their right to own ARMS!
I don't know whether the Founding fathers intended ordinary citizens like me to own machine guns, bazooka, mortars, SAMs -but I believe they did. If they saw the tyranny of the globalist criminals in charge today, there is no doubt they would want us all to have sufficient arms to defend ourselves against the criminals who have hijacked this government -no boubt at all. I'm watching the Texas rangers baseball team play the Angels -they keep interviewing Nolan Ryan sitting next to the globalist criminal murderer Bush -it's really pissing me off. Might as well be sitting next to that globalist criminal Obama.
TV viewers support these criminals. TV viewers are sheep still on the matrix.
Read what the founding fathers said about Central Banks. They hated them as much as they hated tyranical politicians. I almost think the Founders never existed when I see all the fat fkkk morons who traded liberty for HD and a clicker.
Back then, many civillians owned artillary as well as many privately-owned, cannon-adorned merchant ships doubling as warships. This obviously didn't stop the new Republic from commissioning a Navy. After all, a ship that carried only sailors and cannon was not a very profitable asset. But they were not barred the ownership; they were encouraged.
The United States excelled at this.
The British Frigates were fearsome and the Line of Battle First, second rates were awesome engines of destruction.
So, the USA built large Frigates of 44 gun which have proven to outsail when necessary and fight yardarm to yardarm when necessary.
It takes balls to take on the world's largest navy with 6 Frigates plus privateers and other arms. However, we wre lucky to have the French battle fleet come in near Yorktown when they did.
The other thing about America where you wont find anywhere else is the actual "Minuteman" way of life. A man could pick up his weapons, rounds and powder and go to the town green within a minute anytime, anywhere. The first battles of the Revolution happened in the towns.
G. Washington did not have much Artillery. So he essentially helped himself to some. Ft Ticondergoa comes to mind. Stripped that place of cannon, hauled it to Boston and that was that.
Later on in American history, the Town of St Marys heard of a British battle fleet coming to shell it into oblivion. They took all the lights out of the town, went into the forest nearby, hung the lights in a pattern thought to resemble St Marys Town.
The night bombardment lasted a long time in that forest. You can be certain American know how with very little saved the place.
"I don't know whether the Founding fathers intended ordinary citizens like me to own machine guns, bazooka, mortars, SAMs -but I believe they did."
You are exactly right. They intended for each individual to be armed well enough to be able to overthrow a tyrannical government - be it British or any other (including an out-of-control American one). At the time of this writing, the standard military arm was a musket. This was the most advanced weapon system at the time for the individual soldier. If they intended for the individual citizen to be armed to a lesser extent than the standing military, they would have specified swords, lances, bows & arrows or war hammers instead of being so generic.
We should be allowed to own fully automatic weapons without having to qualify for a special license. But, on the brighter side, since they are equipping the ill-trained and dimwitted Barneys in the local PD's with them, my chance to obtain one would be as simple as a well placed .338 Lapua Magnum round delivered from a safe stand-off point.
I had never considered that idea before - citizens being armed as well as the military when the 2nd was written - but you are absolutely spot on. Thank you!
How else would you regulate the militia (millitary force)? with kind words?
Go read it again now and discern intent. Don't feel bad, I misread it for years.
Moreover, we all owe our fealty and pledge to each other.
Love your Neighbor as Yourself.
They have been trying to break that for many years.
Go read Blackstone's Commentaries.
About a millon other people have just started to read and study the law again.
The law can be used to settle things peacfully.
http://www.1215.org/
Read what you signed at the bank when you opened your account. Sheeple and Robosigners indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szBTl3S24MY
Veritas Te Librum
Legally disarm the police. By legislation, I mean. First take away their Tasers. Then take away all their new armored personnel carriers, tanks, machine guns, and spy drones. Take away their black military uniforms and helmets and body armor. They've become precisely the standing army of occupation described in the Declaration of Independence, protected and immunized by mock trials.
Disband most police forces entirely, and abolish ALL armed federal agencies.
Repeal ALL laws infringing on the right of the people to bear arms. The people are supposed to be better armed than the government. The very few hired police we might actually need should be able to make do with six-shot revolvers and billy clubs, like in the Fifties. If they think their job is too tough, they're welcome to resign.
Well said Jungle Jim. Our local "paramilitary" police grow larger through every recession (thanks to the Feds). THEY are the real threat to freedom in America today. There is really no doubt about it.
Black unis, helmets, combat boots. SS logo on collars and deaths head on caps next?
Or, follow the example of those Greek protesters and these Chinese protesters:
http://cryptome.org/2012-info/qidong/qidong-protest.htm
Tools against tryannical forces in China:
Caltrops (google it)
Spraypaint on windshields of the agressive forces (immobilizes the vehicle)
Tanks only have a few prism / mirrors to look through - destroy those, and it's immobile or vulnerable - the hatch is open
Start thinking out of the box. Every thing has it's weakness...
Krylon Bitchez!
Inspriational ! !
"Timothy McVey brought down a seven story building killing 178 and injuring hundreds with a U-Haul full of fertilizer."
Timothy VcVey's U-haul full of fertilizer did not bring down that building, because it was impossible for it to do so. The U.S. Army has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. McVey was another patsy.
Is the post about fertilizer or ammunition?
By the way...what was the body count in Chicago last weekend?
Horse pucky. I call BS.
A well armed socity is a polite society. Bring back the duel & see howw all the bullshit subsides.
Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights.
Name an ammunition that is not lethal! .22s kill a lot of people. By the way, we are guaranteed the right to keep and bear ARMS, not just single shot rifles
Great Writing! Although I think you go a little too far with:
the very lucrative military industrial complex that will provide both sides of the conflict with exactly as much expensive military hardware as is necessary to maintain equal strength and ongoing conflict among the foes.
NOT
But you are spot on otherwise! Keep contributing, and ignore the folks that obviously didn't even read your whole piece!
the very lucrative military industrial complex that will provide both sides of the conflict with exactly as much expensive military hardware as is necessary to maintain equal strength and ongoing conflict among the foes.
Isn't that what that European banking family did during the U.S. Civil War as they profited from both sides. They then sent their agents to the south after the war to take over what was left.
Funny, I read the same "article" and found it to be incoherent gibberish unsupported by any facts. At first I thought I might have clicked on the HuffPo and an article penned by Pelosi. The facts show, more guns, less crime and less violence. Read the study and learn to think is my advice to this misguided author. Think about it-would you rather break into a house owned by an NRA member or an antigun passivist? You know the answer! Would you rather shoot a bunch of unarmed civilians in a theater or a bunch or attendees and sellers at a gun show? Despite all the guns and millions of rounds of ammo in such venues there has never been any violence at a gun show and rarely at a gun store. Why? The people at such events are fully armed and likely a lot more competent and experienced shooters than even the pollice or military.
By the way, 10000 rounds of ammo is perfectly normal if you own several hand guns and rifles as any reasonable person (like myself) does. I'd own more ammo but I reload to save money. Ain't recycling great!
What the bloody hell do you mean "NOT" ???
Don't you ever read the daily news, for chrissakes?
This has been going on since before WWI --- please try staying current and also read a bit of history.
Pertinent gov't studies:
The Pugo Committee's study on "Money Trust"
TNEC study (Temporary National Economy Committee) 1937 - 1939, published 1941
Cartels and National Security, Report No. 4, 1944 (Senate Subcommittee on War Mobilization)
Patman Report (from Wright Patman's committee) 1968
Structure of Corporate Concentration, US Senate, 1980
no thanks.
Go stuff yourself mate, I want an AR-15 carbine, access to 40 round clips minimum, and all the ammo for it I can buy, when I want, where I want. It's our last line of defense to have any future hope of freedom for generations to come, and to give us a prayer of ever restoring Liberty to this world before the Second Coming. Just turn yourself out to pasture you big fat sheople, just don't come around me, cowardice and treason smell worse than pigs.
the shooting incident in colorado, as with so many others over the past 30 years, was the result of mkultra mind control. it has nothing to do with a naturally crazy person....the cia creates this terror to induce americans into slavery.
I would put 100 bucks on this specific recent one, that there was/is something behind this. I say false flag on this the McVeigh thing and of course 9/11.
History has shown it- there are tons of public docs, books everything (LSD in the subways)- the US is not alone in this, every government does this to their people. Its just such a evil and nasty, deceptive thing that it really easier to believe otherwise, and goverments know this.
I use to doubt this stuff. I saw a documentary about RFK and Sirhan Sirhan. The LA hotel ball room was crawling with CIA. The LA police dept had connections with CIA and military intel. I watched another one about JFK Jr. which I thought was far fetched until I watched it.
CO - white shooter who is on CNN and MSNBC 24x7. I see it at a lunch place as I do not watch TV. The entire Seal Team 6 on a sitting duck Chinook not long after they "got" Bin Laden.
you may be correct -preliminary evidence suggests this was a staged incident involving amny people -and one patsy.
"Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights." (italics added)
Oh, so you mean less lethal ammo for government agents, to keep them from killing so many sleepy people at the wrong houses.
Good idea.
(edit- Removing the optics from their rifles would do more to reduce the scope... love them italics..)
I have trouble with this author: we are victims of a vast criminal conspiracy, but we must disarm and somehow as he writes our "leaders must do something about it" LOL what a numnut..i see no solution to the rape of America and Europe other than mass shootings of leaders..but then i missed my meds LOL howlllling wildly with Jack Nicholson's "the shining" crazed face..here's johnnny.
Could be just like Barney Fife: one bullet per gun.
The entire debate is moot. Pass whatever draconian gun laws you want - enforcing them will be near impossible...might as well make it illegal to sing in the shower. Want to create a massive, uncontrollable black market - starting banning guns and ammo.
What a BS article.
If anything there should be more guns and larger ones. Like rocket launchers, backyard ICBM's, 40mm cannons, etc. and if you own a plane, you can put fully automatic guns on the wings with bombs. Concealed carry in every state.
"Better armed and better educated" should be the everymans motto.
Its not the gangs or the random break-ins you are worried about, its the government and the police coming for everyone.
America was born a nation of terrorists, if they were not then everyone would be british.
You're right on billsykes. This author needs to stick with beating on the mortgage crooks.
The author of this piece clearly does not understand the issues; he just doesn't know that. Fact is if the gun grabbers were given 100% of what they want today they'd have a new wish list tomorrow. When the nose of that camel comes into the tent it just has to be cut off.
Ah, how right you are. It seems every time there's a multi victim atrocity articles such as this pop up with similar ideas about how to go about getting a handle on "the problem." Trying to deal with and understand the senseless is in and of it's self, senseless. This one must have been written before the fact that the nut job in custody was already recieving mental healthcare, more of which seems to be one of the points of the piece. Mental healthcare seems to have been rather unhelpfull to say the least in this case. "Safer" bulletts, another oxymorin, kind of like wet water in the fire service twenty years ago. Happy Land Social Club. Google it. Read the Wekipedia entry. Gas was selling for a buck a gallon back in March of 1990 and thats all the weaponry Julio Gonzalez would need to send 87 innocent's to their graves, one dollars worth. To the author of this piece, please read and consider some of JPFO's literature about gun control and in a year or so read what you've written here and get back to us after the next mass killing.
I look at the occasional mayhem as the price we pay to be armed.
Or the dead bodies of .GOV workers at the hand of the .GOV with operation Fast and Furious, Barry Seal, Iran Contra, blah blah.
Shall not don't mean should not.
auxiliary verb, present singular 1st person shall, 2nd shall or ( Archaic ) shalt, 3rd shall, present plural shall; past singular 1st person should, 2nd should or ( Archaic ) shouldst or should·est, 3rd should, past plural should; imperative, infinitive, and participles lacking.
1.
plan to, intend to, or expect to: I shall go later. 2.
will have to, is determined to, or definitely will: You shall do it. He shall do it. 3.
(in laws, directives, etc.) must; is or are obliged to: The meetings of the council shall be public. 4.
(used interrogatively in questions, often in invitations): Shall we go? Moron.
Oh, and what do you mean by "less lethal ammunition?" - do you mean we can only buy bean-bag rounds and rubber bullets? ...or that we'd be limited to .22LRs unless we've got a single shot rifle and then a .300WinMag would be OK?
Your concept is way underthought.
Edit: BTW, how many innocent folks get murdered by assholes who can't drive/drive drunk? Maybe as a response we should limit how much gas folks can buy?
"Not to put too fine a point on it, but technically, it’s the bullets."
Actually, to sharpen that point, its the massive internal trauma and the resultant bleeding that do the job.
The answer is simple then. Outlaw internal trauma!
Oooops, a dupe
You didn't do that killing blah blah blah (BO 2012)
lol.
Hey George. When you give up your 1st amendment rights, I'll think about giving up my 2nd amendment rights. People like you are always eager to give up other peoples rights. Why is that? They all have equal importance to me.
The problem is not GUNS but insanity. If you are in doubt read the book
Crazy: A Father's Search Through America's Mental Health MadnessAlso, please consider that it is a known scientific fact that the new modern form of Cannabis increases your odds of developing schizophrenia by 500% if you don't have family history and by 1000% if you do.
Now run your numbers and you will see where we are going.
Really sad!
Until next time,
Engineer
Please provide a very credible link identifying serious scientific research regarding your statements about "modern cannabis" . If as you said 'it is a known scientific fact' a link should be easy to provide. Thanks.