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Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Well, maybe.
Or the dead bodies of our children and friends.
I know, I know, Second Amendment and all that but get real; you will never be better armed than your government and you are going to lose a shootout with them no matter what. This isn’t 1776. Ruby Ridge, Waco and Occupy taught us that.
I know, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Not to put too fine a point on it, but technically, it’s the bullets.
And, that would seem to me to be at least one place we could start to find some compromise between no guns and vast unlimited arsenals of nothing more than implements of death. Ammunition could be made far less deadly and destructive, and who needs thousands of rounds?
Hunters, real sportsmen, go into the field with single shot weapons. Being from the middle of nowhere, my parents owned thirteen guns between them, none of which was a handgun. And, only two of them were repeaters; my mother’s custom Browning 16 gauge over and under (2 shots) and an automatic repeating rifle that I never saw come out of its very distinctive leather case.
It was half the length of the long gun cases. It may not have been legal at the time because, even as a kid, I perceived that my parents seemed to regard this particular gun with a great deal more gravitas.
If they take all of our guns away, we won’t need the bullets. So, maybe the two sides could come together and find common ground on the ammunition.
Unfortunately, the discussion involving whether or not guns should be legal is an argument that leads right to where the gun lobby wants it—nowhere.
On the one hand, those with criminal intent won’t care whether guns are legal or not. They’ll just get them from the Department of Justice when they work out the agreement on the money laundering services also conveniently available through a “single point of contact” at the DOJ.
Beyond that, with over 200 million privately owned guns in about 50 million American homes, seizing them would be a monumental task involving lots of domestic bloodshed.
What we do not need right now is a nationwide search of every farmhouse, outhouse, or chicken coop looking for guns to confiscate.
Guns and bullets are only symptoms of a disease, our mental health crisis.
The unrelenting stresses of a failing economy and the sense of outrage being felt as more and more people feel powerless against the oppression are increasing the murder and murder/suicide rates in every community.
Always absent from any discussion about health care are the health care risks posed to innocent people by a system that devotes fewer and fewer resources to mental illness. If it isn’t bleeding it won’t be treated.
The reaction in Aurora in the wake of the theater shootings has been a curious one, an increase in gun sales…presumably to take to the movies.
The people who sell metal detectors must be just drooling having calculated that there are about 39,000 movie theatres in America.
But, it won’t help. Anywhere people gather can provide an opportunity for a nut job to kill a bunch of people. The mall, the marina, the hospital, the amusement park, the day care center are all vulnerable. We don’t need metal detectors, we need mental detectors.
You don’t need a gun to inflict mayhem and misery. Timothy McVey brought down a seven story building killing 178 and injuring hundreds with a U-Haul full of fertilizer.
But, there is a bigger problem. We are a nation steeped in violence. We forcibly took this land and murdered those who stood in our way. I’m not pointing the finger; my family was leading the way.
War is our primary domestic export. Remember when we were “hog butcher for the world”? Today we are the people butcher for the world. At the moment, there are 121 wars being waged around the world, and one way or another, we have got our hand or our arms in all of them.
If we aren’t selling them weapons directly, we are supplying them through some sort of shadowy middleman. That is why there is the occupational title of “Arms Dealer”.
This is how they avoid the brief but embarrassing revelations such as the Justice Department selling guns directly to the Mexican drug cartels. Text your friendly arms dealer and build a layer of plausible deniability. Those wild and crazy, though grossly incompetent, guys over at the Justice Department. What a hoot!
Remember when we went to Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction? We didn’t find any so we started to sell them some back in 2005. It does make you wonder how many US casualties resulted from weapons we sold them.
Decade after decade we ask our young men and women to sacrifice their lives on behalf of peace and freedom. Or, perhaps more appropriately, the very lucrative military industrial complex that will provide both sides of the conflict with exactly as much expensive military hardware as is necessary to maintain equal strength and ongoing conflict among the foes.
Remember when the goal was to end wars as quickly as possible?
Being ever at war affects a nations psyche. Teenagers have never known a time when we weren’t at war. Warrior becomes a “career choice” for which they train on high tech video games. They are what we made them. Detached, indifferent, conditioned to violence and sometimes lusting for blood. Actual blood, not virtual blood.
We justify drone strikes as necessary and send a message that, yeah, killing is okay, sometimes.
Then it’s only a matter of deciding when it is okay, and when it isn’t. Liquor, testosterone, and mental illness obscure the bounds that normally hold us in check.
With our economy decimated, the troops come home to no jobs and no safety net, and kill their families. How the hell can we be surprised by that?
Our priorities are all screwed up. We have the funds for unlimited warfare but not for universal health care.
Poverty is growing in the US not because of a lack of money. Look how much we could find to give the banks so bankstas had something from which to pay themselves obscene bonuses.
Poverty is growing because of a vast criminal conspiracy.
In the meantime, the global game of Ponzi continues because of our leader’s unwillingness to stop it.
Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result is the very definition of insanity.
Watch now to see if someone doesn’t step forward with the idea that maybe our problems could be solved if we gave the banks more money.
Things are getting worse, not better. There will be more mass murders and horrific acts of violence, and they will not be fueled by guns but by the untreated mental illness produced by the stress of economic and social collapse.
Where I come from, everybody had guns, lots of guns, but we didn’t shoot each other with them. Obviously, we, and not the guns, are the problem.
Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights.
Since both sides have a stake in the outcome, both sides should devote substantial energy and resources advocating for universal healthcare and sufficient funding to effectively treat the small percentage of the population who suffer from this largely treatable yet little understood human frailty.
Further debating the issue of gun ownership prevents us from coming to grips with the real problem and reducing deaths attributed to acts of insane violence.
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American Citzens are the largest, free-standing army in the world with over 130,000,000 guns in their hands. As Admiral Yamamoto of the Japanese Imperial Navy said when speaking of Japan going to war with the United States, "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant. If we invade the west coast of America, we will find a gun behind every blade of grass." Listen up America.......you give up your guns UNDER ANY PRETENSE....you are slaves to government.
Americans are already slaves. Take away their guns and they become unarmed slaves.
The Second Amendment says "arms", not guns. Arms include many devices that have already been taken away or prohibited from the American people. Try buying a machine gun or a gun with an explosive projectile or a bomb. They're "arms" too, and they will be used against you by your government in the event of an armed insurrection you can bet.
The American sheep watch O-TV and Hollywood's crap to support the elites and NWO. Are you one of those serfs?
They are going after ammo. The ammo prices will keep going up. They will try to deny your 2nd Amendment Right by going after ammo.
Right. Lautenberg-McCarthy ammo grab. As usual, Jew + shabbatz goy. Won't get thru the House though...at least the Repubes are still good for this. I think. Maybe. We'll see...
George,
like Xitsam said, Stick to foreclosure.
Bite me. The 2nd Amendment was not designed for "sportsman," it was designed so citizens could quickly become an army when needed to resist invasion or tyranny from within, as required. Just by saying we can't beat the government so we should reduce our capacity to defend our liberty as preserved by the Constitution to save us from the occasional psycho is horseshit. As an aside, those rights guarenteed by the Constitution/Bill of Rights were designed so free people could remain free - not because they were "American rights." The Declaration of Independance makes it clear that freedom from bondage is a human right that sometimes needs to be defended the hard way.
Exactly. I was in the Philippines during the Marcos era and after he got his hands on power the very first thing he turned his attention to was disarming the people so that they had no defense against his depredations. The Communists hiding up in the hills never turned in their guns and inconvenienced the government plenty.
people are so asleep, they don't even know where their meat comes from or have never killed something and ate it.
I hate some of these people outside of ZH that have this engrained PC faux hyper sensitivity to anything and everything- like the oprah thing where everything was shocking and ohhhh with the mouth agape. Wool with silk, ohhhhh shocking kind of thing.
These people are going to crack so fucking hard if there is any kind of hiccup or disruption in food, banking, electric, gas etc. , it kind of freaks me out- like when people think they are drowning they will pull you down just to get air if you try to rescue them.
Every nation dies eventually or has its upheavals, nothing is constant in the universe.
If the people posting here watch their TV or their Hollywood crap and brainwashing then you are part of their Matrix and you are a ***king serf.
Citxmech......you go bro! As for me. I take my UNALIENABLE RIGHTS ENDOWED BY MY CREATOR, very fucking seriously! And God help the fuckin' hump that tries to deny them!
Exactly... if you really, really make an effort to determine its purpose, it is purely to protect against government interference... it is the lynch pin of the entire bill of rights and functioning of our society. For some reason, this truth is simply too grizzly for most to accept.
The real question at this juncture is how we address the technology gap brought about through legislation that mitigates private rights to own particular weaponry... e.g., mortars, artillery, rpg, canons, rockets proper...
The answer is: stay low tech. Munitions may be manufactured out of common chemicals and items. Shaped charges to defeat armor are not difficult for the average person to construct. Arm yourself with knowledge. Think soft targets like power and fuel. And bankers :) After a short time, the hard targets will run too. Planes and drones need pilots. Radios can be interfered with. Fuel can be contaminated. Factories may be destroyed or sabotaged. THEY cannot win.
Don't forget that there are government pamphlets to help you with ideas. Your tax dollars paid for it, so put it to use.
CIA's Freedom Fighter's Manual
http://www.ballistichelmet.org/school/free.html
Excellent links, highly recommended reading
Agreed
"The right to keep and bear arms" Arms = the tools required to wage war.
The intent was that the arms would owned by the people, so that war could not be waged without their consent and war could not be waged upon them by the government. Those trained in the use of arms were expected to maintain a civilian occupation, so there would be NO standing army.
The intent was that if any entity dared infringe on our rights that we should blow them to smitherines. A unified militia of the people by the people for the people has the right to use any kind of arms that it chooses, and has the right to annihilate any percieved threat, sieze their assets and distribute them as they see fit.
If you ask me...
It's time to draw the line. It's time to define the good/evil scale and choose sides, turn around and count fifty paces.
You are either on the side of the people by the people for the people...
or...
you are against the people, and for the criminal government/bankers that enslave us
now stand up and be counted
At least one person in the US understands what the outside world is trying to say to them.
Only another 314,015,999 to go.....
You outside the USA? Then it's really absolutely none of your business.
I don't give a flying fuck what the "outside world" thinks.
Evidently YOU don't get it. My rights are not up for negotiation, or "reasonable limitations".
Stick to foreclosure, George.
Bing fucking go. "Stick to foreclosure, George." . This article is just way fucked up and on zerohedge at that. Just go fuck off somewhere and die George. And I was in a good mood before I read this shit.
Regarding Mr. Timothy McVey
It may not be quite so cut and dried as you imply
Take a look at the following link.
http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter10/okla.html
Clinton quickly made sure no other investigations were done on that false flag along with Flight 800 and Hillary/Reno's Waco mass murder.
Never mind the link. Oklahoma City was an early Eric Holder/FBI sting. Then they simply let it go ahead, because it was useful to TPTB. See also: '94 WT bombing, and elements of 9/11 as wll. This regime is profoundly evil.
The Jesuits being responsible is a stretch though, without some evidence.
Fuck you for asking me to compromise on a constitutional right...
I'm much more worried about idiots who seek to limit my individual freedom than idiots who shoot at me in a theater.
Where was the loonie gun nut voice when Bush suspended civil liberties via the Patriot Act and launched a series of unconstitutional wars? Where was the outrage when the Obama Senate suspended constitutional rights by suspending the right to due process if Homeland Security deemed a person a terrorist? Talk about cognitive dissonance, double think etc. Your fetish for handguns have made public spaces unsafe and unused... restricitng your own freedom of movement. Why so concerned with the right of every junkie, psycho and criminal to get access to weapons which no sane country will allow?
you are "truly stupid" as your moniker suggets. We have the RIGHT to defend ourselves from criminals and idiots like you in DC
I'm not the one threatening gun violence... that would be you. Hopefully you won't accidentally shoot your children or your own dick off.
III we are everywhere...NO COMPRIMISE. (PERIOD)
3pers, yup.
oathkeepers too.
Also his assertion that we could not as an armed populace use weapons to get the yoke of tyranny off our necks because of the super advanced military is out right false. The term is Asymetric warfare and the American people being the indigenous populace would win. That is because in Asymetric warfare the occupier has to win all the hearts and minds and all the battles. Whereas the guerilla force just has to remain in existence. There is not a magic formula and if you thought the economic devastion in the first civil war was bad imagine one today. Oh and BTW all those high tech machines need people to operate them, fix them and make new parts for them. Hard to do when the power grid is down and basic services have been disrupted. The USA and its military are very fragile eggs in this situation. you have about 100,000 highly trained ground forces searching one of the worlds largest countries for at least a million if not 100 million indigenous resisters who are their own country men. I agree going toe to toe in a ruby ridge or waco situation will result in a loss. Dont get fixed in place and go toe to toe. That is how we won the first revolutionairy war and if we have to fight another one it would be how we won the second one. I guess tyler will let any jackass post an article. If you are going to talk about the subject at least have a background in it. I have not only a background in it I also have a degree in it. 14 years fighting overseas to boot.
Not quite as direct as you Macho man. However I agree 100%. Just remember folks if you are in a movie theatre and someone wants to take your life, pulling out a copy of the constitution and explaining you rights wont save you, but a gun might.
It's the well regulated part of the 2nd amendment that many libetarian gun owners seem to miss.
In 18th century english, "well regulated" means "to be functioning properly".
Well regulated doesn't mean what you're suggesting, and Virginia's Bill of Rights proves it:
13. That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
It's the well regulated part of the 2nd amendment that many libetarian gun owners seem to miss.
Hey dumb ass, even a little research would show that the "well regulated" meant a well equipped, well trained citizenry was necessary to thwart tyranny in any form. It did not "then" and does not "now" mean "well regulated" by the gubbermint!
We have been led down a path that is completely contrary to the true meaning of "well regulated"
DaddyO
Come see how well organized my militia is.
My Glock23 and my M1A are perfectly regulated.
ZH has more than a few Libs who voted for the Muhammed in 2008 and they would try to disarm us all in a heartbeat. Bring it.
Also save me the red team and blue team shit too. Repubs are slightly less evil than Dems but they are not dumb enough to try to disarm except RINO-Democrats like Scum Bloomberg. McCain is a NWO piece of crap like Graham-nesty, open-borders Fidel Rubio but they are not that dumb to go for the guns.
We already compromised on the First, Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments?
Double fuck you! You, and stupid stupid fools like you, just don't get it, do you? History has shown all too often that a government, ESPECIALLY one as openly corrupt as ours, CANNOT be compromised with. As a dormant Marine that signed up many years ago to fight tyranny and who was willing to go to some shit hole across the globe to do it, will DAMN sure fight for my and my family's freedom here on my home turf, from ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. Stay the fuck out of my way, pussy!
"will never be better armed than your government and you are going to lose a shootout with them no matter what."
You know what assbite, I believe the pussies supporting the King in 1775 were saying the same identical thing and you know how that turned out!
Believe me, if your cause is righteous and your on God's side, then the gates of hell can be unleashed and yet, brave and honorable men will persevere and RISE UP to defeat a much superior foe.
Every effort must be made and to demand, through peaceful means, meaningful resolutions to grievances committed to the citizenry whereby, violations to our binding Constitution and Bill of Rights are infringed then it is up to us citizens to take back by force, if necessary, and install a representative Government of the people.
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government"- Thomas Jefferson
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”- Thomas Jefferson.
I actually took the time to log in to give you a vote up. +1000!!
I enjoy idiots like the author.
Every standing government army throughout history WAS better equipped than rebels...yet somehow so many were overthrown ;-)
Its like...rebels would never dream of raiding a government armory, clearly it says right there on the equipment Property of...ROTFL!!!
Or that a government army won't have rebels within its own ranks...the thought process is just bizzare.
"Or that a government army won't have rebels within its own ranks"
A few well-placed rebels in the Logistics branch, diverting primo material to a militia, and screwing up deliveries to the army, will cause fucking havok.
During Civil War II, entire states will secede from the DC regime. Bringing National Guard divisions with them: AFVs, A10s, F-16s. Apparently string central regimes collapse all the time: because the military splinters.
No good person would raise their child to become a cop or to join the military at this point in time. If someone is a cop or in the military and does pull a gun on an american citizen, then they must have something wrong with them genetically, and those genetics do not need to remain in the gene pool. Any cop or military person that defends his fellow citizen Americans and supports the constitution and bill of rights will have the full support of the American public
You actually DO want Constitution loving people joining the police and military. The more of that type that we infiltrate into the ranks the better for us all. You ALL need to support those Sheriffs that actually follow the Constitution and will not allow TPTB run roughshod over the people.
So you have discovered a new gene have you? What have you named it? If no name yet, may i suggest: The US-Citizenism Gene?
The Amerikan public cannot support the Constitution because they donT know what's in it; they ainT read it.