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Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Take Our Guns? Over our Dead Bodies!
Well, maybe.
Or the dead bodies of our children and friends.
I know, I know, Second Amendment and all that but get real; you will never be better armed than your government and you are going to lose a shootout with them no matter what. This isn’t 1776. Ruby Ridge, Waco and Occupy taught us that.
I know, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Not to put too fine a point on it, but technically, it’s the bullets.
And, that would seem to me to be at least one place we could start to find some compromise between no guns and vast unlimited arsenals of nothing more than implements of death. Ammunition could be made far less deadly and destructive, and who needs thousands of rounds?
Hunters, real sportsmen, go into the field with single shot weapons. Being from the middle of nowhere, my parents owned thirteen guns between them, none of which was a handgun. And, only two of them were repeaters; my mother’s custom Browning 16 gauge over and under (2 shots) and an automatic repeating rifle that I never saw come out of its very distinctive leather case.
It was half the length of the long gun cases. It may not have been legal at the time because, even as a kid, I perceived that my parents seemed to regard this particular gun with a great deal more gravitas.
If they take all of our guns away, we won’t need the bullets. So, maybe the two sides could come together and find common ground on the ammunition.
Unfortunately, the discussion involving whether or not guns should be legal is an argument that leads right to where the gun lobby wants it—nowhere.
On the one hand, those with criminal intent won’t care whether guns are legal or not. They’ll just get them from the Department of Justice when they work out the agreement on the money laundering services also conveniently available through a “single point of contact” at the DOJ.
Beyond that, with over 200 million privately owned guns in about 50 million American homes, seizing them would be a monumental task involving lots of domestic bloodshed.
What we do not need right now is a nationwide search of every farmhouse, outhouse, or chicken coop looking for guns to confiscate.
Guns and bullets are only symptoms of a disease, our mental health crisis.
The unrelenting stresses of a failing economy and the sense of outrage being felt as more and more people feel powerless against the oppression are increasing the murder and murder/suicide rates in every community.
Always absent from any discussion about health care are the health care risks posed to innocent people by a system that devotes fewer and fewer resources to mental illness. If it isn’t bleeding it won’t be treated.
The reaction in Aurora in the wake of the theater shootings has been a curious one, an increase in gun sales…presumably to take to the movies.
The people who sell metal detectors must be just drooling having calculated that there are about 39,000 movie theatres in America.
But, it won’t help. Anywhere people gather can provide an opportunity for a nut job to kill a bunch of people. The mall, the marina, the hospital, the amusement park, the day care center are all vulnerable. We don’t need metal detectors, we need mental detectors.
You don’t need a gun to inflict mayhem and misery. Timothy McVey brought down a seven story building killing 178 and injuring hundreds with a U-Haul full of fertilizer.
But, there is a bigger problem. We are a nation steeped in violence. We forcibly took this land and murdered those who stood in our way. I’m not pointing the finger; my family was leading the way.
War is our primary domestic export. Remember when we were “hog butcher for the world”? Today we are the people butcher for the world. At the moment, there are 121 wars being waged around the world, and one way or another, we have got our hand or our arms in all of them.
If we aren’t selling them weapons directly, we are supplying them through some sort of shadowy middleman. That is why there is the occupational title of “Arms Dealer”.
This is how they avoid the brief but embarrassing revelations such as the Justice Department selling guns directly to the Mexican drug cartels. Text your friendly arms dealer and build a layer of plausible deniability. Those wild and crazy, though grossly incompetent, guys over at the Justice Department. What a hoot!
Remember when we went to Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction? We didn’t find any so we started to sell them some back in 2005. It does make you wonder how many US casualties resulted from weapons we sold them.
Decade after decade we ask our young men and women to sacrifice their lives on behalf of peace and freedom. Or, perhaps more appropriately, the very lucrative military industrial complex that will provide both sides of the conflict with exactly as much expensive military hardware as is necessary to maintain equal strength and ongoing conflict among the foes.
Remember when the goal was to end wars as quickly as possible?
Being ever at war affects a nations psyche. Teenagers have never known a time when we weren’t at war. Warrior becomes a “career choice” for which they train on high tech video games. They are what we made them. Detached, indifferent, conditioned to violence and sometimes lusting for blood. Actual blood, not virtual blood.
We justify drone strikes as necessary and send a message that, yeah, killing is okay, sometimes.
Then it’s only a matter of deciding when it is okay, and when it isn’t. Liquor, testosterone, and mental illness obscure the bounds that normally hold us in check.
With our economy decimated, the troops come home to no jobs and no safety net, and kill their families. How the hell can we be surprised by that?
Our priorities are all screwed up. We have the funds for unlimited warfare but not for universal health care.
Poverty is growing in the US not because of a lack of money. Look how much we could find to give the banks so bankstas had something from which to pay themselves obscene bonuses.
Poverty is growing because of a vast criminal conspiracy.
In the meantime, the global game of Ponzi continues because of our leader’s unwillingness to stop it.
Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result is the very definition of insanity.
Watch now to see if someone doesn’t step forward with the idea that maybe our problems could be solved if we gave the banks more money.
Things are getting worse, not better. There will be more mass murders and horrific acts of violence, and they will not be fueled by guns but by the untreated mental illness produced by the stress of economic and social collapse.
Where I come from, everybody had guns, lots of guns, but we didn’t shoot each other with them. Obviously, we, and not the guns, are the problem.
Less lethal ammunition and smaller magazines can reduce the scope of gun violence without gun owners losing their rights.
Since both sides have a stake in the outcome, both sides should devote substantial energy and resources advocating for universal healthcare and sufficient funding to effectively treat the small percentage of the population who suffer from this largely treatable yet little understood human frailty.
Further debating the issue of gun ownership prevents us from coming to grips with the real problem and reducing deaths attributed to acts of insane violence.
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MachoMan said:
Self defense is an inherent human right. A free state not only recognizes and respects that right, but embraces it. The second amendment doesn't bestow that right, it recognizes it.
The entire reason for the existence of the second amendment is to serve as a final check on the ambitions of politicians who would sell out the birthright of their people. Like it or not, the purpose of the second amendment is to make sure that a free people always has the means, if necessary, to kill deserving politicians and their goons.
The only hunting that it applies to is the hunting of those that would enslave us.
Self defense is an inherent human right.
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Absolutely. And US citizenism solved that issue as soon as the inception of the US.
Non human and sub human beings are not entitled to human being rights.
AnAnonymous bleated:
It sounds like you're referring to the people that were enslaved in China over the last three thousand years during the many periods when slavery was acceptable. The slaves were viewed as "half-man, half-thing", which sounds like your definition of sub human.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_china
Of course, for you to condemn Americans living today for what happened before any of them were born is typical of your Chinese hypocritizenism.
I would call it a case of the wok calling the cooking marmit black, but it's worse than that. Just five years ago it came to light that Chinese citizenism brickyards were using slaves. Perhaps you and your friend Wang Bingbing consider these slaves "half-man, half-thing" but the reality is that the slaves were Chinese people, some of them children who had been kidnapped to work as brickyard slaves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_slave_scandal
But hey, your purpose in life is to disagree with all, which is a result of your Chinese schizophrenicitizenism, so keep offuscating and denying. It is all you know.
++ for “The second amendment doesn't bestow that right, it recognizes it.”
of course, this becomes redundant with a document that recognizes the right...
Amen.
Dam right. Look at the total amount of guns and you do the math. I get sick of assholes always wanting to control me. Obviuosly this jerk never hunts. Most hunters use semi-automatic firearms.
Big game in Africa uses a double barrel for the most part in case you do not drop the animal the first time. There is also a counter argument to this as well. If you trend mass murder on this scale you will find concealed carry is not allowed. Recent shootings like this was carried out in no concealed gun areas. Would it have prevented the recent Colorado shootings? I cannot say. But it is idiots like this that complain about the foreclosure fraud and then goes off on a subject he does not know squat about.
Funny how that works. Call for people to go to jail because they screwed home owners, but lets take everyones firearms. Guess what the jerk that committed the crime will go to jail unlike the banksters and other people that screwed us. Statistically speaking and obviously you must be good at it to call everything a fraud, do the math and you will find you will die in an automobile alot quicker then being shot in this country. Lets outlaw those now as well.
Get a clue the criminals will love for you to get law abiding citizens firearms. By the way I do hunt and have most of my life. You might as well sit behind your fucking computer and continue your triad about foreclosure fraud. Even though the Feds have already screwed everybody!
This article is honestly posted by an idiot that needs to stay in his area of expertise and out of the 2nd amendment
This always happens when a person proficient in one field steps foot in another. Lack of a complete perspective can cause a person to make some pretty ignorant statements. I can't even find a place to start with this article! It appears to be a studied attempt to make logical his obviously emotional opinion. In actuality it turns out to be an incoherent rant that falls apart about half way through and bounces off the walls of the irrelevant.
Blaming guns/ammo for these atrocities is like blaming Budweiser for alcoholism.
Owning guns and ammunition is really not the issue. Having a violent society is.
Switzerland has a very high level of guns at home, yet the shooting rate is quite low.
Gun ownership should be a matter of choice, like owning a car. And stop all this regulation stuff, you cannot stop crazies with regulations.
...Or a government trying to subvert its citizens through its out-of-control intelligence agencies circumventing its constitutional obligations. I mean how f'ed up is it when our CIA imports drugs to fund off-book Black-Ops including MK-ULTRA and deep DARPA operations against its own citizens.
This is PRECISELY why you need an Armed Citizenry to prevent such atrocities on a continuous basis by our government.
Switzerland has no Sidney Gottlieb running MK_Ultra.
"He will always be remembered as the Government chemist who dosed Americans with psychedelics in the name of national security. ... In one case, a mental patient in Kentucky was dosed with LSD continuously for 174 days. Other experiments involved agency employees, military officers and college students. In all, the agency conducted 149 separate mind-control experiments, and as many as 25 involved unwitting subjects. At least one participant died, others went mad, and still others suffered psychological damage after participating in the project, known as MK Ultra. The C.I.A. ... deliberately destroyed most of the MKUltra records in 1973. Mr. Gottlieb was also involved in the C.I.A.'s assassination plots. [He] developed a poison handkerchief to kill an Iraqi colonel, an array of toxic gifts to be delivered to Fidel Castro, and a poison dart to kill a leftist leader in the Congo."
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050626mkultra
So guns don't kill, handkerchiefs kill?
I've gotta remember to wash mine a little more often just to be safe.
"Gun ownership should be a matter of choice, like owning a car. And stop all this regulation stuff, you cannot stop crazies with regulations."
No, from my perspective, it a recognized human right.
But I do agree with your second part...and I must confess I've been laying in the weeds waiting for a post (not yours) like this ;-)
James Holmes was a student studying for his PHD. Amy Bishop was a Harvard trained professor. Then we have the Virginia Tech shooter. Columbine High School. Pearl High School in Mississippi.
What do all these shootings really have in common?
Gun Free Zones.
"Gun Free Zones." LOL gun free zones means OPEN SEASON on the sheeple....
They happen in 'gun exclusion' zones? I'm taking the easy way out, yes? If I was to expand, they would all seem to have been abused by their peers in the realm of 'education', thus peer pressure. I'm personally touched by the VT shootings because a professor there lost his wife. In my earlier years, he wrote a letter supporting my mother's right to take me out of State custody after I was a pawn in a bitter custody battle. I wrote him regarding his wife's death, and he replied, but I did not bring up the subject of the reasons surrounding her death. In my personal opinion, like the event(s) such as the Appalachia SofL shooting, guns in prepared hands can, and will, prevent the high body counts which these perps seek. One side thinks gun control will solve the problem, the other, that guns in citizen's control will help the issue. There is no doubt in my mind that should O win re-election, that all 2nd Amendment rights are up for grabs. And should outright confiscations start to take place, there will be the blood of Liberty spilled in defense of this Right. If not, then we as citizens of this country, deserve what is thrust upon us. I've read that 3% of the populace of this country overthrew the tyranny of England, should we require that today, I have no doubt there are the weapons to achieve this end, I wonder if there are the Patriots who will fight for it. At times, over the various sites I visit, I think this may be possible, provided all those are given reliable information. The problem I see today, is that so many sources, ex. MSM, push the 'doctrine of the sheep', that it may be too late for enough of them to stem the tide...Ok, I'm pushing a six of Wild Blue...junk away.
No, you're not taking the easy way out...you're adding depth.
I worked with a guy when I was younger whose wife worked as a cashier in a grocery store. Some loser walked in with a gallon of gasoline and threw it on as many as he could and touched it off.
He lost his wife and almost his mind trying to get arrested to get close enough to kill the fucker. The only thing that helped was friends and the two kids who needed him to not lose his mind.
"In my personal opinion, like the event(s) such as the Appalachia SofL shooting, guns in prepared hands can, and will, prevent the high body counts which these perps seek."
True.
In the Pearl High School murders, it was a faculty member (who broke school gun policy by being armed?) who prevented the shooter from leaving school grounds to kill even more people.
He was armed with his personal .45...killers prefer unarmed victims.
Let see...
Hundreds, if not thousands, of people, all crammed into one place AND all made to listen and regurgitate the same BS propaganda, day in, day out, for years on end. There's bound to be a few people who snap. Makes you wonder who the crazies really are.
Kinda like the post office huh?
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Why are government institutions churning out people who want to kill other people? ;-)
Gotta craft 'em if you aint' gonna draft 'em.
Problem fixed.
The world’s first 3D-printed gunhttp://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
gonna get me some toner.
That was printed with a Stratasys 3D printer (higher end model).
Lower end open source models can be found here:
http://www.reprap.org
Those require PLA/ABS plastic, not toner. ;)
Got all excited there, and when I printed out my AR it was just a piece of paper with a picture of an AR on it.
Maybe I will back it with cardboard and run around the office.
;-0
There are metal deposition printers now..
I suppose a 3D barrel could be heat treated and rifled, but it probably wouldn’t stand up for more than emergency use.
If it's heat treated I don't see why it wouldn't be good enough for standard use. Precision still has a ways to go though... hopefully just a matter of time now.
"We have the funds for unlimited warfare but not for universal health care."
Duh. That's because it's a lot cheaper to kill ten million people than to provide them with free drugs, dialysis and sex-change operations.
If everyone walked around with a handgun for personal self defence, Aurora and VA Tech would not have happened, the psychopaths would have been dead via 500 bullets in self defence.
Western - Amen Brother!...More guns means less violence...counter intuitive I know for leftists, but true
You had me up until you brought up the false left-right paradigm.
You're pretty fucking stupid if you think that armed audience members in the Aurora shooting incident would have helped in any way other than raising the death toll substantially, trying to shoot a well-armed guy wearing body armor in a darkened theater.
I'll give an example even a stupid f**k like Lord Kooz can understand: a "gun free zone" called NORWAY. Even the police forbidden to carry. So they spend 2 hours running around trying to find some guns, while Breivik leisurely kills 80 people. Arm the law-abiding, and the killers don't even get started. These massacres are a 1::1 function of "gun free zones". And you, 4closurefraud, stay away from my weapons AND my ammunition. This globalist Jew-regime intends to Ukraine the White working and middle classes...but they are not going to get away with it.
The point lord koos is not would a concealed carry person have been able to shoot the man in a dark theater. The point is concealed carry is a deterrent. This incident may never have happened if concealed carry was allowed. I too carry in theaters.
Real nut cases like this guy will go and kill where people are defenseless. That was his motive. MSM also promotes this type of crime by running the dipsticks on national TV for a week or two. Some other nut jobs sees this and wants to be on TV as well so he or she is now looking for their place to repeat this type of crime. I would almost bet everything I have that the next crime will happen in a place without concealed carry being allowed. This is how they operate. They pick places where people cannot protect themselves.
We had two church shootings in Arkansas. Now pastors can allow concealed carry and we have not had an incident since this new law was enacted.
That's all fine and dandy, but the suggestion that people with concealed weapon permits could not have helped is bullshit. A single police officer that was armed and in the theater could have helped as well. Most concealed carriers such as myself are not idiots, have been well trained (many in the military and as prior LEO), and always carry at least one light. In fact I carry two, and one includes a high powered strobe.
The shooter entered from the back. There was a balcony above apparently. It would not have been very difficult for me, sitting either in the back or on the balcony, to have had a clear and easy shot while using a flash light.
Now, before some idiot brings up the smoke, I was CS gassed in the military. A little tear gas, or whatever the hell it was, would not have stopped me either.
Well Lord Koos I have to tell you that honestly it couldn't hurt. I am an expert with firearms and always carry (even to the movies). Despite the fact that he was wearing body armor 17 rounds from my 10mm to his chest would have settled the score. He might still be alive but would not be active or shooting. The basic layout of the theatre lends it self to clear views of the screen because of the graduated seating. Those same clear views would offer all the site lines required to execute the shot. Yes even with tear gas that is a minimal range. But I guess he knew he was safe, after all it was a gun free zone.
BTW if you take the time to get the training you would see that your statement is incorrect. an untrained person with a gun would not have improved the situation. But if you are carrying a gun and dont train then I wish you would leave it at home.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g1n8cmwhIY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Don't get me wrong, i agree completely.BUT how often would the untrained undiciplined or just plain assholes shoot because they are "seeing red" many have lost or never known the simple rules of firearms such as Always treat as if loaded, do not point at anything you do not intend to shoot. Dont put finget on trigger until ready to fire. Now guns are cool ways to intimidate or take a life. I belive in no offense, strictly defense. Can we fix this? For many already is too late. I DO NOT WANT GUNS CONFISCATED I do support education and training by a private source and an exam when purchasing. I need long guns to keep my farm animals and veggies safe and for, god forbid my family. Proper firearm use and handling of firearms is cutural. The ghetto mindset is reinforce throught growing up. Us hicks from the sticks have minimal gun violence. Why? Because we know guns are tools not toys and ONLY FOR DEFENCE! But what does not stem from poor upbringing. My 5 year old understands the rules of guns and that guns are for killing and then only when to defend life liberty or property. End of story. How will this happen? Those who dont do this will be killed or locked up. I prefer killed. It costs me less. So kiss my ass all you fuckups. With no firearms the woodchucks would destroy my garden and the fox my chickens or most scary someone or some animal hurt my family. Rant over =)
Clearly the author of this article is the one with the "mental illness"
PULLING OUT YOUR GUNS IS THE ONLY SANE THING TO DO AT THIS POINT
I call 'Socialist Douchebag' on the Author....junk me if you want but WTF is the point of this article? "Since both sides have a stake in the outcome, both sides should devote substantial energy and resources advocating for universal healthcare and sufficient funding to effectively treat the small percentage of the population who suffer from this largely treatable yet little understood human frailty." Here's a treat; start by removing gun controls which prevent the average citizen from carrying guns to defend themselves. 'A small percentage of the population who suffer from this largely treatable yet...human frailty' will be dead. No life in prison at law-abiding people's expense. No long trials. No debates in the Liberal Media. You attempt to shoot me, I shoot you. Bang. Oh look, DWTS has a new contestant. I enjoy the safety and security of my home, 'human frailty' with a gun enjoys a dirt nap. Fuck you.
"But, there is a bigger problem. We are a nation steeped in violence. We forcibly took this land and murdered those who stood in our way. I’m not pointing the finger; my family was leading the way."
This might come as a surprise to you but almost all my "family" came here after the land was taken. They found themselves working for the new landlords, and have never done anything violent. And that is the experience of a majority of Americans.
The part of my family that was here during the land takings were among those pushed off the land. If that part of my family had been armed, they won't have been run off.
"we are a nation steeped in violence?"
Are you a TROLL or just incredibly stupid?
Neithr I nor any of my friends have ever been violent, my community is not violent, my city, my state is not violent. The federal government is violent because they can print all the paper they want, and our violent cops protect them
Having your government and military do the dirty work of genocide and murder does not morally separate you from those acts. Having god bless America, only implicates Him in the slaughter.
This is the wrong forum foreclosureguy
Just as soon as your government replaces their real lead with rubbers, I will consider relinquishing some of mine. LMK when that happens mkay?
Our government has drones, tanks, and artillery, yet you want me to have less ammunition and smaller magazines for my rifle? Get the fuck out of here. The Virginia Bill of Rights has a better version of 2A. It clearly explains that the main purpose of 2A was to retain the ability to resist tyrannical GOVERNMENT forces!
13. That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
No standing armies in Virginia... It should be avoided...
Classy...
Squatting roadside armies in China ... it should be avoided .....
Gassy ....