This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Should We Arrest D.C. Politicians for Supporting Al Qaeda?
In the name of "fighting Al Qaeda or associated forces" or those who "support" those bad guys, the U.S. government has authorized:
- Assassinating people anywhere in the world without due process or even a legal charge . . .
- including U.S. citizens living on American soil
- Indefinitely detaining any American - without trial (and see this)
- Torturing people . . .
- including Americans living on American soil
- Labeling virtually any American as a "terrorist"
In other words, the government has shredded our constitution and destroyed our freedom and liberties in order to fight Al Qaeda and associated forces.
And yet the government is itself supporting - with money, arms, and logistical support - Al Qaeda and associated forces in a number of nations.
The U.S. is supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorists in Syria. America funds terrorist groups within Iran. And we supported Al Qaeda terrorists in Libya (and here).
Does that mean that American military and law enforcement personnel should arrest, indefinitely detain, label as "terrorists", torture or assassinate those in D.C. who are authorizing the support?
- advertisements -


arrest seems a little too "formal".......why they are not now being shot on sight is beyond me
No room for justice in this world.
Why bother with the qualification? We should arrest all the D.C. politicians. The ones who uphold the Consitution can be released after trials.
Obama will certainly be rewarded this November for doing the oligarch's bidding over the last 4 years.
"Obama will certainly be departed this November for doing the oligarch's bidding over the last 4 years."
Fixed.
Al Qaeda R Us
Hillary Clinton Admits US and Al-Qaeda On Same Side in Syria
http://www.infowars.com/hillary-clinton-admits-us-and-al-qaeda-on-same-s...
Clinton Announces al-Qaeda as Legitimate Government of Libya
http://www.infowars.com/clinton-announces-al-qaeda-as-legitimate-governm...
Al-Qaeda Terrorists Airlifted From Libya to Aid Syrian Opposition
http://www.prisonplanet.com/al-qaeda-terrorists-airlifted-from-libya-to-...
It's not surprising that the left would support the islamists. Obama is repeatedly celebrating one of their holidays. What is surprising is the reaction by the rest of America.
If the 'left' supports the islamists, then the 'right' supports the dictators.
Judging by your comment you're on the side of the dictators..
There is no 'left'.
only in your world.
Propagate fantasies as you wish.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52190
FBI BOLO seeks arrest of this missing FBI agent whistleblower
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/stephen-ryan-ivens/view
A bizarre Foreign Ministry report circulating in the Kremlin today states that this Friday past (11 May) Russian Envoy Vladimir Vinokurov, the Consulate General of San Francisco, was approached near his hotel room during a visit to Los Angles by an agent of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) indentifying himself as Stephen Ivens [photo top left] who warned that he and a former FBI agent named Donald Sachtleben had uncovered evidence of an impending terror attack on US soil stating that those behind the attack were “all insane.”
Before Ivens was able to finish his “message,” this report says, the three American Diplomatic Security (DS) agents, who trail all Russian diplomats in the US, began to “surge” towards Ivens causing him to flee.According to US news sources, Special Agent Ivens, after leaving downtown Los Angeles, returned to his home in Burbank whereupon he then fled into the rugged Verdugo Mountains after which a massive manhunt for him ensued involving 100 FBI agents, 40 sheriff's department rescuers and a dozen local police officers.FBI officials stated to the local media that Ivens was “distraught” and “might be suicidal” adding that they believed he had in his possession his service weapon. At no time, however, did anyone ever state as to why Ivens would be in such a state.
According to other US news sources, Special Agent Ivens graduated from Braintree High School in Massachusetts 18 years ago and was selected by his fellow students as “shyest” in his class. He was further described by FBI colleagues as well liked, a devoted agent with no history of disciplinary action on the job, and according to FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller “Married with a one-year-old child, he has been working for the FBI for the past three years in the national security area. Prior to that, he worked as a Los Angeles police officer for eight years.”
Late yesterday, after the massive manhunt failed to find any trace of Ivens, his wife Thea Ivens issued an urgent public appeal stating:“Steve, if you are out there listening right now, your wife wants to let you know, 'Babe, we are in this together for better or for worse. I love you, no matter what happens.' Your child wants you to know, 'Daddy’s work? Daddy home?’”
Even more bizarre about this case, this report continues, is that the retired FBI agent named Donald Sachtleben mentioned by Ivens, who also knew about this impending “plot,” was arrested within hours of Ivens disappearing and charged with trading child pornography.
Most important to note about Sachtleben was, aside from his being an over 25-year veteran of the FBI, he was a special agent bomb technician before retiring in 2008 who specialized in counterterrorism and bombing investigations and whose most important case was the 11 September 2001 attacks on New York City.
Donald Sachtleben left the bureau in 2008 after a 25-year career as an explosives specialist and bomb scene investigator. Special Agent Sachtleben had worked on a number of high-profile cases including the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, the terrorist attack on the USS Cole in 2000, and the crash of Flight 93 in central Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001. He also led the team that processed unabomber Ted Kacznski's Lincoln, Montana cabin where the schizophrenic manufactured his package bombs. After leaving the FBI, Sachtleben became a visiting professor and Director of Training at the Oklahoma State University for Improvised Explosives Research and Training Center.
On May 11, 2012, the day Stephen Ivens left his house in Burbank never to be seen again, FBI agents and officers with the Indiana State Police showed up at Sachtleben's house with a federal warrant to search his computers. The former agent had just returned home from the Indianapolis airport.
According to US news reports about Sachtleben’s arrest, this most knowledgeable of FBI agents openly traded child porn using the e-mail address ‘pedodave69@yahoo.com’ in an act so stupid for one of the United States most highly trained intelligence agents it defies belief.
The practice of US intelligence services charging their most feared dissidents with child pornography and/or sex charges is well known, with the most celebrated case being against the former UN weapons inspector William Scott Ritter, Jr. who warned about the lies being told to the American people in the run-up to the Iraq War only to find himself sent to prison on trumped up charges involving a minor girl.
To exactly what kind of false flag plot Agents Ivens and Sachtleben had uncovered this report doesn’t say, other than to note that the credibility of this information should not be dismissed due to how fast and hard US intelligence agencies are acting to cover their tracks should any additional information come forth.
Grimly to be noted is the use of false flag operations by the United States and their political elite classes are well known and well documented, the most famous of them being Operation Northwoods.
Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of Operation Northwoods was to “develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.”
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated: “The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.”
Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
As the events of Oklahoma City and 9/11 prove, however, the appetite for false flag operations against the American people by their own government is far from sated, with the next one, undoubtedly, being the worst of them all.
May 16, 2012
Such a cesspool and it isn't restricted to the US. I recently stumbled upon some links regarding the Port Arthur massacre and ... well ... they have been at this for a long time. It is almost like a playbook for a false flag event.
Top Smoking guns (there are several) in my opinion are:
1) An Australian surfer dude with an IQ of 66 (66!) could plan the attack and hold off law enforcement for at least a day
2) An Australian surfer dude with an an IQ of 66 and with no training in firearms could kill the first 19 out of 20 he encountered with a single bullet shot to the head
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&g...
Worth looking into
They "found" Ivens body three days ago in the foothills of Glendale:
http://www.policeone.com/federal-law-enforcement/articles/5886094-Missin...
Yep. A patriot who found out about a false flag now has only the Russians to go to.... sad.
He's probably dead by now, or rendited to some shit hole in Burma.
A whole lot of us are going to die before we get rid of these fiends.
Those depressive losers always sucide themselves with couple of bullets in the back ....
Steven Ivens found dead
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/body-missing-fbi-agent-steven-i...
I'm like Church Lady on the web.
Yes. You have to find some police that will actually arrest them and take them to a state that is set up to prosecute them for treason and terrorism. It is possible but whether or not you can find someone to do it is another matter.
I thought DC politicians WERE Al Qaeda.
I'll have you know that Killery Clinton is not the head of AlCIAda. That's a baseless and scurrilous rumour, unsupported by any material facts ... oh ... wait ... I may have mis-spoken.
wot? ... it happens!
The US is launching proxy-wars everywhere on the planet... The only goal is to protect the dollar. This is how the dollar survived in the 80s and 90s. But now, there isn't much more territory to conquest. Syria, Iran, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, then what ? The moon ?
Capitalism needs eternal growth or it collapses.
http://www.amazon.com/Super-Imperialism-Origin-Fundamentals-Dominanc/dp/...
Al-CIAeda will next drill down to groups and sub-groups. My humble opinion is to start gathering resources and band your like-minded neighbors and communities.
This whole thing is a sick perverted effort of the elites to divide and conquer, proof that hellish evil does exist and can only be countered with prayer and Divine intervention.
Prepare yourselves, then love your people...
And remember that in this life, we're just passing through. So make the best of it for others, then when the time comes... Move on to something better...
Well said, friend. Someday we shall meet and rejoice together at our deliverance from this evil.
Amen Brother.
Can You evade the drones?
Skynet is watching.
can the drones evade 80,000,000 gun owners
They have to land for refueling and maintenance some time.
80,000,000 angry but well prepared gunowners
It isn't capitalism, it's mercantilism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
The big ones are real deal wars, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia.
Needs to be a citizens' arrest by the Peoples Revolutionary Committee ... also arresting the dishonest US judges who would try to let the criminals go free
Nothing else will hold
Ain't gonna happen - and it wouldn't matter if it did. If I really believed that such a thing would produce positive results, I'd be on my way to DC right now with my Mossberg Tactical Persuader and a coil of rope - heck, I've supposedly got only a couple months left and, therefore, have nothing much to lose.
That sort of thing would immediately launch all of the safeguards TPTB have put into place. Martial law would be declared. Dissidents would be rounded up and detained - "dissidents" to include folks who did nothing more than vent their frustration online.
The Titanic's already hit the iceberg. Don't waste time and energy looking around for stuff to patch the hole. We all know she's going to sink - get in the lifeboat and live to build a new ship from the debris. There are plenty of serious secession movements out there who have the frameworks in place around which to rebuild. This, for example: http://dixienet.org/rights/corebeliefs.shtml
The time for action draweth nigh - but it's not time yet. Get your personal preps ready, build a local community, and be ready to act when the time is right.
How do I know that you aren't a CIA psy-operative trying to get me to click on a link that will automatically log my IP and put me on a watch list?
SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO US!!!!!!!!
Not enough misspelled words to be a Govt. employee.
Dude you are browsing ZH. I can assure you with confidence that Big Brother has an IP address associated with that browsing.
/sarc on I suggest you turn yourself in already. /sarc off
Who cares at this point? in 2009, this Government / Administration already labled the American citizens "Enemy of the State" "Potential terrorists" ALL of us so your an Outlaw right now and don't even know it? Search MIAC Report. Get educated, get prepared.
molon labé, Search for and Support your III%ers.
Food, ammo, guns, safe houses or whatever, or we may lose what's left of our Freedoms.
Thanks.
Friend, you'll just have to take my word on it - I'm not nearly bright enough to be an operative for anyone. I was just giving an example of the frameworks I had spoken of. I don't belong to the League of the South. I don't want to be on any of those lists either. The nail sticking up and all that...but your point is well taken and the humor appreciated.
If I didn't enjoy life so much, this mess the world's in would really bother me...but the sun rose today...the birds sang...I awoke breathing on my own and moving under my own power...God is still in control...how easily we can lose sight of the "lesser blessings" while wrapping ourselves up in the quest for "happiness and security".
Paul tells us to give thanks IN all things - not FOR all things. No matter how bad things are here, realize that there are probably literally a billion people who would trade places with you.
To any who might be offended by my sermon, I apologize. I'm having a good day and wanted to share it with you.
+1 .
... you don't have to apologize for anything. Thx.
I appreciated that. Thanks.
Of course, when my chocolate ration gets downsized, shit changes.
Memory hole or not.
I suggest a Vigilance Committee. We're enjoying the Plummer Gang writ large. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Plummer
A strong rope would hold.
Fuck that. When the time comes, use piano wire.
Fuckers.
Icepick to the heart, throat and eyeballs