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Major General: Why Are Domestic Government Agencies Purchashing Enough Lethal Ammunition to Put 5 Rounds In Every American?
Preface: There might be an innocent explanation. But given recent trends, this is worrisome.
Retired Major General Jerry Curry wrote Friday:
The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.
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Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest?
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If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
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All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it.
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We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
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This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Why are government agencies doing this?
Major General Curry asks a troubling questions:
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
This may sound like a conspiracy theory …
But remember that Senator Daniel Inouye said in 1987:
There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.
The Federal Reserve – which is not exactly federal (and see this)- also has its own police force. See this and this.
Chalmers Johnson called the CIA the President’s private army.
But that’s nothing compared to JSOC. As John Glaser wrote in February:
For the past decade, we’ve seen the rise of a secret, unaccountable U.S. military force … Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is an unwieldy private army at the command of the President, and him only. And they conduct military and spy missions all over the world, never receiving formal congressional approval ….
“Without the knowledge of the American public,” wrote Nick Turse back in August, “a secret force within the U.S. military is undertaking operations in a majority of the world’s countries. This new Pentagon power elite is waging a global war whose size and scope has never been revealed.” According to a recent Congressional Research Service report, JSOC forces “reportedly conduct highly sensitive combat and supporting operations against terrorists on a world-wide basis.” As the New York Times this week reported:
The Special Operations Command now numbers just under 66,000 people — including both military personnel and Defense Department civilians — a doubling since 2001. Its budget has reached $10.5 billion, up from $4.2 billion in 2001 (after adjusting for inflation).Over the past decade, Special Operations Command personnel have been deployed for combat operations, exercises, training and other liaison missions in more than 70 countries. Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Special Operations Command sustained overseas deployments of more than 12,000 troops a day, with four-fifths committed to the broader Middle East.
JSOC operates outside the confines of the traditional military and even beyond what the CIA is able to do.
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But it goes well beyond the war zones. In concert with the Executive’s new claims on extra-judicial assassinations via drone strikes, even if the target is an American citizen, JSOC goes around the world murdering suspects without the oversight of a judge or, god forbid, granting those unfortunate souls the right to defend themselves in court against secret, evidence-less government decrees about their guilt. As Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh said at a speaking event in 2009:
Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on.***
Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us….
[Marc Ambinder told Wired]:
There are legal restrictions on what the CIA can do in terms of covert operations. There has to be a finding, the president has to notify at least the “Gang of Eight” [leaders of the intelligence oversight committees] in Congress. JSOC doesn’t have to do any of that. There is very little accountability for their actions. What’s weird is that many in congress who’d be very sensitive to CIA operations almost treat JSOC as an entity that doesn’t have to submit to oversight. It’s almost like this is the president’s private army, we’ll let the president do what he needs to do.
An End-Run Around the Constitution?
Remember, we’ve gone from a nation of laws to a nation of powerful men making laws in secret. A nation where Congressional leaders themselves aren’t even allow to see the laws, or to learn about covert programs. A nation where Congressmen are threatened with martial law if they don’t approve radical programs.
National security powers are being used to help big business, to the detriment of the American people.
Veterans returning from the front lines are labeled “potential terrorists”, to the horror of both the Republican and Democratic leadership.
This is not surprising, given that tyrannical regimes always crumble when the footsoldiers refuse to carry out draconian measures.
Indeed, active duty military personnel are big Ron Paul supporters. And see this. Because liking Ron Paul – as well as liking liberty or the Founding Fathers – may get one branded as a potential terrorist these days, there may be some friction between active military folks and the government as well.
We’ve been in a continuous state of National Emergency for 11 years. The Constitution has so thoroughly been shredded that it – literally – unclear whether we are still living in a constitutional form of government.
Because military folks are sworn to defend the Constitution, many still would not allow the imposition of overt, full-scale fascism without a fight. See this and this.
As such, Major General Curry’s speculation is chilling, indeed:
Is the purpose [of the lethal ammunition purchases] to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
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it's as if that math is as certain as the debt...
Perhaps this entire article is factual. Why would no one at ACLU, any form of media, Alan Dershowitz, some self respecting politico, etc... not speak up about this?
I believe we have to be careful not only with being too complacent, but with the conspiracy theories that get thrown around so easily.
There are 300+ million people in this country; several of those armed to the teeth, just waiting for some overbearing federal agent to overstep his bounds.
Judgement day is coming, but I don't see a special ops force loyal to Bush the retard, Obozo, or Romney that would jettison the US Constitution and take marching orders from one of these fucktards.
And if one of those fat, disgusting sub human McDonalds groveling morons from TSA come looking for me with weapon sighted and trained on me, they better be a dead shot. Because when they miss, it's game on.
They're not going to show up alone and announce their arrival. FYI.
What was that classic quote from the movie "Gangs of New York"?
"The wonderful thing about the poor is that you can always hire half of them to annihilate the other half."
Perhaps one of the purposes of the Afghan war is to weed out soldiers of conscience and load up the ranks with murderous psychopaths who find killing fun!
Valid theory that I've seen posed many times. A hardened and desensitized group returning without good prospects for gameful employment. If not the purpose, certainly a useful side effect.
Gainful employment.
This feels like the time when someone told me that Eddie Money was singing "we did some shaking until the end of the night" and not "her tits were shaking until the end of the night"
A misinterpretation of song lyrics is called a mondergreen. Everybody does it. I used to think that Neil Young sang, "Gooseberry was a working man," but it's actually "Bruce Berry." Other examples include, "Scuse me while I kiss this guy," (Hendrix) and "The girl with colitis goes by," (Beatles).
A mondegreen is the mishearing or misinterpretation of a phrase as a result of near-homophony, in a way that gives it a new meaning. It most commonly is applied to a line in a poem or a lyric in a song.[1][2] American writer Sylvia Wright coined the term in her essay "The Death of Lady Mondegreen," published in Harper's Magazine in November 1954.[3]
In the essay, Wright described how, as a young girl, she misheard the last line of the first stanza from the 17th-century ballad "The Bonny Earl O'Moray". She wrote:
The actual fourth line is "And laid him on the green".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen
"'Scuse me, while I kiss this guy. . . "
uh, what did he really say
- J. Hendrix
...kiss the sky.
Divide and conquer. "The wonderful thing about (the) political partisanship is that you can always hire half of them to annihilate the other half."
The conditioning is working so well, people would do it for free!
The Social Security Administration (SSA)? The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)?
just me, or does the mention of these 2 agencies strike anyone else as odd?
Both of those places have security guards that occasionally need to practice and use up their duty ammo...Those purchases are routine...it is the DHS orders that are excessive
NOAA doesn't even have buildings. They are a division of NASA, and their complexs are on NASA facilities.
Hollow points. For Weather Bimbos, and Actuaries. Got it.
what part of this entire story doesn't strike one as odd?
Most odd to me is there doesn't seem to be any mention of the IRS. You'd think they would be ordering more than any other agency.
The IRS gets it's ammo from the Federal Reserve police...sort of kidding.
Seriously though, there is opinion out there that "the IRS is a private collection agency for the private Federal Reserve by Dan Meador"
Search what I placed in quotes and decide for yourselves if it's a credible opinion.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!!
Who says this ammo won't end up in IRS hands anyway? Perhaps the belief is that spreading the "wealth" among various agencies, sends up fewer red flags? Just sayin'.
Suddenly I get the feeling that the fed gov is gearing up to treat us as if we were palestinians in Gaza USA!!
This kind of rabid paranoia within DHS has a clear and obvious genesis.
Call me Ishmael.
I hope you have a whale of a time, Ishmael. It could be the best of times, it could be the worst of time...
**SONGS OF THE TIMES** ? Burn & That's Life II by Killer Mike (Login W/FaceBook to Listen Free)
A month ago you could listen free for two weeks. IDK. My bad. They're releveant to the topic if for nothing else, Douches.
"(Login W/FaceBook to Listen Free)"
Uhh, you're not paying attention Sport.
LMMFAO.
*wipes eyes*. did he really suggest "login to facebook"?.. please.. slap me and tell me that he didn't type that. I mean, I go back.. scroll up and read it and I think I see him say "Login to facebook", and I just want to make sure my eyes aren't playing tricks on me.
No he said:
"Please place left forearm under the implant reader. Make sure your palm faces up and that you are prostrate before the Great Deceiver. Now, enjoy your fucking shitty music."
But, I paraphrase.
That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming.
Just taken names for the price of a song...
we cannot give them the hot war they created NORTHCOM for
we must give them an Information/Cultural war at whose end a Global, Noble Culture rises
which is aware of history
aware of the long con games of a ponzi prison planet
and which even delights in opposing tyranny
much respect to all the Zero Hedge Forces for helping to continue to ideologically tar, feather, and otherwise eviscerate the cacophony of lies
they Want a hot revolution, we cannot give it to them, we must instead as Jefferson instructed "educate the Whole of the people."
100k police/guards/agents shooting 150 training rounds each per week would require 780 million rounds per year. And one can easily go through 150 rounds in 30 minutes or less at the range.
150 rounds a week? Not even close....Most cops shoot 3x maybe 4x a YEAR with a qualification course being maybe 40 rounds, assuming they qualify the 1st time...Most do.
Ammo is too expensive, and there is a difference between ammo shot for training/practice and ammo used for defense....
Practice ammo, ie full metal jacket or wadcutters cost half or less what hollow points cost
I was protective service and I never fired a hollowpoint round for 'Training' or otherwise. I went to Black water High risk Operations training among other things. I don't think you know.
Went there as well. It was all about the big heavy rounds for penetration.
If the generals are going to do something about this, and I pray to God they are, they had better do it soon, before DHS comes for them in the night. At the very least, they should put themselves and their families behind the gates of closed bases where they would be protected by the marines and if I were them, I would be quite leary of attending any meetings off base, though I am sure they know their history.
You don't understand how the federal government works. Hollowpoints are more expensive and the various departments within DHS are desperate to spend extra money they have sloshing around in their budgets from the various stimuli. I happen to do consulting work for one large and much hated DHS agency. This particular agency is desperate to find something, anything to waste $100 million on so it doesn't get taken away and given to the coast guard for new boats. The idea that federal agencies are buying up tons of hollow points because they plan to shoot everyone is so ridiculously stupid that it taints all the other worthwhile things said about the economy and finances here at ZH and elsewhere around the web.
Nice try. Unless there is psyops component to such a move, they know a purchase like this would get attention - especially right after the other big purchase. There are alot of ways to blow the money in order to justify the budget that don't catch the public eye so easily. Pretty much SOP for most operations that rely on government funding. You know that.
So AT, you're one of them.
Spying on the unwashed rabble, are you?
It is certainly possible that they are just trying to spend up their budget in order not to lose it, but if so... what moron thought making the American population think their gov't was coming for them would be a good idea? #Idiot
Ah, that's the $10e6 question, isn't it?
Nevertheless, it was a lot less sinister when I was in the USAF and near the end of the fiscal year we were told to buy more toilet paper to maintain or increase the budgets.
This sounds like a salesman/factory getting a big order, and a government worker or 2 getting some big kick-backs. Something smells rotten financially here.
"anything to waste $100 million on so it doesn't get taken away"
It's hard telling how many of the myriad of govt. agencies are doing the very same thing, and what the total waste would add up to with all of this kind of foolishness. Then we're told that the 'entitlement programs'(including the ones funded by the taxpayers through FICA taxes) are/will be broke and we can't afford them. Can you see why some of us get very pissed off when we hear the latter bullshit?
I had read somewhere back in the 1990s that the whole Waco incident was fired off by the BATF showboating because they wanted to try to justify their existing budget and not face cuts or to get their budget increased. In other words they were trying to prove how badly We the People needed their sorry asses so the tax dollars would keep flowing into their fiefdom.
Ah...here is something on that(not my original source):
edit: another bit from that:
So what kind of 'show' will these various agencies currently ordering the ammo be putting on for the sheeple?
I concur
I was living in Austin at the time. BATF trained for 4 weeks at Fort Hood for the assault. They lied about the Branch Davidians dealing drugs to secure access to Guard Helicopters stationed at the local airport. They had a command post setup with fax machines that had all of the local news stations pre-programmed. They contacted Channel 8
This was right after the RUBY Ridge cluster hit the airwaves and BATF was being discussed with merging under the Treasury department or FBI. The whole raid was a publicity stunt that blew up in their faces and the FBI effectively moved the press 3 miles from the compiund and then murdered the davidians
One of the few instances in my life where I felt no sympathy for a bunch of fascist para military assholes getingt blown away and I support law enforcemnt generally.
Get Waco "Rules of Engagement" :if you want to know what really went down.
If you want a double feature, throw in "A Noble Lie".
And all this time I just thought Janet Reno was just having 'one of those days'.
What, the ipad was out of stock?
They had to do something with all that money in the hooker slush fund.
Well, at that quantity, you can use them for wadcutters, doorstops, paperweights.....
They must be bad shots if they figure they'll miss with the first 4 rounds.