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Major General: Why Are Domestic Government Agencies Purchashing Enough Lethal Ammunition to Put 5 Rounds In Every American?
Preface: There might be an innocent explanation. But given recent trends, this is worrisome.
Retired Major General Jerry Curry wrote Friday:
The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.
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Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest?
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If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
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All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it.
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We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
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This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Why are government agencies doing this?
Major General Curry asks a troubling questions:
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
This may sound like a conspiracy theory …
But remember that Senator Daniel Inouye said in 1987:
There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.
The Federal Reserve – which is not exactly federal (and see this)- also has its own police force. See this and this.
Chalmers Johnson called the CIA the President’s private army.
But that’s nothing compared to JSOC. As John Glaser wrote in February:
For the past decade, we’ve seen the rise of a secret, unaccountable U.S. military force … Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is an unwieldy private army at the command of the President, and him only. And they conduct military and spy missions all over the world, never receiving formal congressional approval ….
“Without the knowledge of the American public,” wrote Nick Turse back in August, “a secret force within the U.S. military is undertaking operations in a majority of the world’s countries. This new Pentagon power elite is waging a global war whose size and scope has never been revealed.” According to a recent Congressional Research Service report, JSOC forces “reportedly conduct highly sensitive combat and supporting operations against terrorists on a world-wide basis.” As the New York Times this week reported:
The Special Operations Command now numbers just under 66,000 people — including both military personnel and Defense Department civilians — a doubling since 2001. Its budget has reached $10.5 billion, up from $4.2 billion in 2001 (after adjusting for inflation).Over the past decade, Special Operations Command personnel have been deployed for combat operations, exercises, training and other liaison missions in more than 70 countries. Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Special Operations Command sustained overseas deployments of more than 12,000 troops a day, with four-fifths committed to the broader Middle East.
JSOC operates outside the confines of the traditional military and even beyond what the CIA is able to do.
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But it goes well beyond the war zones. In concert with the Executive’s new claims on extra-judicial assassinations via drone strikes, even if the target is an American citizen, JSOC goes around the world murdering suspects without the oversight of a judge or, god forbid, granting those unfortunate souls the right to defend themselves in court against secret, evidence-less government decrees about their guilt. As Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh said at a speaking event in 2009:
Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on.***
Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us….
[Marc Ambinder told Wired]:
There are legal restrictions on what the CIA can do in terms of covert operations. There has to be a finding, the president has to notify at least the “Gang of Eight” [leaders of the intelligence oversight committees] in Congress. JSOC doesn’t have to do any of that. There is very little accountability for their actions. What’s weird is that many in congress who’d be very sensitive to CIA operations almost treat JSOC as an entity that doesn’t have to submit to oversight. It’s almost like this is the president’s private army, we’ll let the president do what he needs to do.
An End-Run Around the Constitution?
Remember, we’ve gone from a nation of laws to a nation of powerful men making laws in secret. A nation where Congressional leaders themselves aren’t even allow to see the laws, or to learn about covert programs. A nation where Congressmen are threatened with martial law if they don’t approve radical programs.
National security powers are being used to help big business, to the detriment of the American people.
Veterans returning from the front lines are labeled “potential terrorists”, to the horror of both the Republican and Democratic leadership.
This is not surprising, given that tyrannical regimes always crumble when the footsoldiers refuse to carry out draconian measures.
Indeed, active duty military personnel are big Ron Paul supporters. And see this. Because liking Ron Paul – as well as liking liberty or the Founding Fathers – may get one branded as a potential terrorist these days, there may be some friction between active military folks and the government as well.
We’ve been in a continuous state of National Emergency for 11 years. The Constitution has so thoroughly been shredded that it – literally – unclear whether we are still living in a constitutional form of government.
Because military folks are sworn to defend the Constitution, many still would not allow the imposition of overt, full-scale fascism without a fight. See this and this.
As such, Major General Curry’s speculation is chilling, indeed:
Is the purpose [of the lethal ammunition purchases] to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
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actually 1:4 would be a spectacular ratio for real world shooting situations... 1:8+ (even at less than 20 feet) is more like it... combat is nothing like the shooting range...
Have a look at this guy...5 slugs into the shooter with a pistol at 165 yards!
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/08/14/citizen-shooter-saves-officer-wi...
BOSS!
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Excellent practice.
+124gr FMJ
look at the ammo types and think again
at the VERY least this is to draw down supply so as to make it scarce and/or unaffordable unobtainable logistically by the plebs
That's cool, I only load FMJ in my .40. If I shoot someone I want it to penetrate. If they wear a vest, I want them to feel the full force of the energy hitting them.
"diogeneslaertius look at the ammo types and think again"
Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
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"The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows."
continue
http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/who-does-the-government-intend-to-shoot/?print=1
Innocents Betrayed - Gun Control History - Genocide Disarming Populations
you all know what this is for
12 pitchers of beer and you still cant ask me
So true. Its all about sex.
That's what Freud thought. Jung explained there are higher pursuits.
It's not FASCISM when the USA does it.
Fascism? What are talking about? My TV tells me it's capitalism vs Marxism.
I thought it was -isms in general.
exactly. its freedom. And Jesus wants us to kill every last brown muslim... /s
fried freedom - oh wait, they already sold that
A lot of cops cannot shoot very well - it is 'spray and pray', so they feel they need lots of extra cartridge rounds.
Another thing worldwide, is that there is very little thought given to the ergonomics of pistols held in the hand, and a lot of handguns are basically too bulky for the people holding them ... especially given the many petite female 'copchicks' on various forces.
So today's guns are often held very clumsily by the cops holding them.
Ergonomics was something better understood long ago with handguns ...like with the old Colts
The old 19th century Colt cowboy-style single action revolvers, had nice curved handles that fit well in the hands of most adults of that era (when people were somewhat smaller) ... also, the gun 'rocked' in the hand to soften the recoil impact of those old .45 or other cartridges ... and it also put itself into position so you could cock the revolver again with the thumb of your shooting hand, in case your other hand held the reins of the horse
Another great ergonomic gun was the (originally Colt) Model 1911 .45 pistol of the great American gun designer John Browning (who died in Belgium, by the way, getting his guns made here) ... that wonderfully economic and compact grip handle is much better than found on most all police guns today, even tho those guns usually shoot smaller cartridges
We like those guns a lot here in Europe too ... Americans tend not to know that we probably have around 100 million privately owned handguns, rifles and shotguns in Continental Europe (It was the crazy Brits that confiscated everyone's handguns, not us on the Continent.)
Here in Europe we know the Nazis can come back, they were here before, we know 'things can change'. We have seen murderous tyranny, like the US is seeing now.
In Europe we are not noisy about it, but actually
Germany: 25 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles
France: 19 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles
Belgium: 2 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles
Facts of gun ownership and policies in countries around the world:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/
Yes, the Colt M1911 .45 cal is perhaps the finest handgun ever designed.
But its grips can hardly be called "compact". The M1911 is a big gun and requires a big, strong hand to accurately fire it. This was the principal reason the US Army replaced it with the less lethal but easier-to-handle 9mm Beretta in 1985. Female officers found the M1911 simply too big and heavy to utilize effectively.
Fortunately, I am not female and do not have small hands, so the M1911 is my personal weapon of choice and always will be.
The .45 ACP subsonic round, old as it is, is still a superior combat round for the foot-lbs. of shock on impact.
The shock is what keeps em down even with a non-lethal hit.
Add a hollow point or frangible tip and it's over.
My buddy used to grow watermelons just to watch em explode when we took his Thomson "Tommy" gun out to the desert.
Had to be careful tho because cops really hate full auto sub-machine guns with 50 rd. drums.
Watermelons are fun to shoot with a 3" 12ga round. Put a nice hunk of the rind on the roof of my house. Yeah, I know - why am I shooting so close to my house? I was drinking that day. Nothing says happy labor day like beer, watermelons & shotguns.
Hit a hard melon with a 'cut shell' and or shoot multiple layers of wallboard/plywood or just a 5 gallon bucket. Talk about cheap fun...
There are quite a few modern guns with spectacular egonomics, smaller profiles, lighter weights, higher magazine capacities, and better reliability than the 1911... not to be a thread crapper, but sometimes the kool aid is strong. (although, the triggers on most modern guns suck shit compared to a generic SA 1911).
I won't argue with any of your points - they are all valid with the possible exception of reliability.
But you didn't mention lethality.
Inside of 25 feet, the M1911 has no equal in that category.
The subsonic .45 is also easier on the ears than the high powered rounds.
....not to argue but the 44 mag beats the 45 ACP hands down, not to mention some of the more esoteric pistol rounds recently introduced.
Well, so does the .454 Casull, but neither is a practical self-defense handgun cartridge for "normal" human beings, and neither is an autoloading round...
I'm at a loss for how the .45 acp shooting from that gun is different than any other gun of the same caliber... if you mean service history/combat track record, then I agree (is there a more decorated gun?)... but I'm at a total loss for how rudimentary physics does not apply to the 1911...
The closest you've ever come to a gun is the Nerf your mother bought you.
I talked to some people about this. The claim is that shooting full metal jacket slugs is not the same as hollow point. Apparently there is an expectation of a dramatic increase in the employment in DHS. Nothing to see here really, please just move along.
Oh look 14 idiots or are you the people taking the DHS and TSA jobs?
"Apparently there is an expectation of a dramatic increase in the employment in DHS"
That is the statement that tells the story.
EXACTLY. And what the f*** do we call those people willing to do that job?
"And what the f*** do we call those people willing to do that job?'
Targets.
And what the f*** do we call those people willing to do that job?
TSA. It's the same group of scum.
The walking dead?
This is easy. Go to the range with a buddy, have said buddy randomly load JHP and FMJ in a handgun (use the same grain for both and similar quality of manufacture) and see if you can tell which is which while safely firing down range.
I did and there is. I am not excusing it I am telling what I was told.
I have probably fired more rounds than at least half the shooters here. You're just wrong. Live with it. There is no noticable difference between the two when firing. The only thing that matters is bullet weight.
Dont believe everything you hear, son.
I shoot at least once a month, and safely say you and your people are full of crap.
My people say your people are full of shit.
In today's banana government, if you don't have your own private army, you just don't cut it.
Sour grape from a major general...
Or, one of a few good men, who can't handle the truth (as seen by tptb).
During the last Depression, similar events had nearly happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
And, Smedley Butler said it best:
The only thing is: Smedleys conquests didn't provide these entities any long lasting profits.
Don't count on it; those were never the actual entities.
the rise of the PMC as a military arm of a decopuled, (break away civilization almost) global corporate elite
literally as if every film from the 80's came true (predictive programming perhaps)
im just glad that we have debt brother from planet o, our very own el presidente of estados unidos to save us from ourselves by creating a total police state
gosh i feel free
++ for the (predictive programming perhaps) reference. People are being played constantly by the MSM.
"literally as if every film from the 80's came true (predictive programming perhaps)"
There's a word for that..."foreshadowing"
Takbir!