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Major General: Why Are Domestic Government Agencies Purchashing Enough Lethal Ammunition to Put 5 Rounds In Every American?
Preface: There might be an innocent explanation. But given recent trends, this is worrisome.
Retired Major General Jerry Curry wrote Friday:
The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.
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Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest?
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If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
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All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it.
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We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
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This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Why are government agencies doing this?
Major General Curry asks a troubling questions:
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
This may sound like a conspiracy theory …
But remember that Senator Daniel Inouye said in 1987:
There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.
The Federal Reserve – which is not exactly federal (and see this)- also has its own police force. See this and this.
Chalmers Johnson called the CIA the President’s private army.
But that’s nothing compared to JSOC. As John Glaser wrote in February:
For the past decade, we’ve seen the rise of a secret, unaccountable U.S. military force … Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is an unwieldy private army at the command of the President, and him only. And they conduct military and spy missions all over the world, never receiving formal congressional approval ….
“Without the knowledge of the American public,” wrote Nick Turse back in August, “a secret force within the U.S. military is undertaking operations in a majority of the world’s countries. This new Pentagon power elite is waging a global war whose size and scope has never been revealed.” According to a recent Congressional Research Service report, JSOC forces “reportedly conduct highly sensitive combat and supporting operations against terrorists on a world-wide basis.” As the New York Times this week reported:
The Special Operations Command now numbers just under 66,000 people — including both military personnel and Defense Department civilians — a doubling since 2001. Its budget has reached $10.5 billion, up from $4.2 billion in 2001 (after adjusting for inflation).Over the past decade, Special Operations Command personnel have been deployed for combat operations, exercises, training and other liaison missions in more than 70 countries. Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Special Operations Command sustained overseas deployments of more than 12,000 troops a day, with four-fifths committed to the broader Middle East.
JSOC operates outside the confines of the traditional military and even beyond what the CIA is able to do.
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But it goes well beyond the war zones. In concert with the Executive’s new claims on extra-judicial assassinations via drone strikes, even if the target is an American citizen, JSOC goes around the world murdering suspects without the oversight of a judge or, god forbid, granting those unfortunate souls the right to defend themselves in court against secret, evidence-less government decrees about their guilt. As Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh said at a speaking event in 2009:
Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on.***
Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us….
[Marc Ambinder told Wired]:
There are legal restrictions on what the CIA can do in terms of covert operations. There has to be a finding, the president has to notify at least the “Gang of Eight” [leaders of the intelligence oversight committees] in Congress. JSOC doesn’t have to do any of that. There is very little accountability for their actions. What’s weird is that many in congress who’d be very sensitive to CIA operations almost treat JSOC as an entity that doesn’t have to submit to oversight. It’s almost like this is the president’s private army, we’ll let the president do what he needs to do.
An End-Run Around the Constitution?
Remember, we’ve gone from a nation of laws to a nation of powerful men making laws in secret. A nation where Congressional leaders themselves aren’t even allow to see the laws, or to learn about covert programs. A nation where Congressmen are threatened with martial law if they don’t approve radical programs.
National security powers are being used to help big business, to the detriment of the American people.
Veterans returning from the front lines are labeled “potential terrorists”, to the horror of both the Republican and Democratic leadership.
This is not surprising, given that tyrannical regimes always crumble when the footsoldiers refuse to carry out draconian measures.
Indeed, active duty military personnel are big Ron Paul supporters. And see this. Because liking Ron Paul – as well as liking liberty or the Founding Fathers – may get one branded as a potential terrorist these days, there may be some friction between active military folks and the government as well.
We’ve been in a continuous state of National Emergency for 11 years. The Constitution has so thoroughly been shredded that it – literally – unclear whether we are still living in a constitutional form of government.
Because military folks are sworn to defend the Constitution, many still would not allow the imposition of overt, full-scale fascism without a fight. See this and this.
As such, Major General Curry’s speculation is chilling, indeed:
Is the purpose [of the lethal ammunition purchases] to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
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They are trying to save McDonalds some money on hamburger meat.
You mean (gasp) Soylent Muppets?
PS. McDonalds doesn't use real meat so I guess no taste difference
The 1899 Hague Convention voted to ban expanding bullets or better known as Hollow-Points in military conflicts/wars. Now, since the Hague calls them illegal internationally do they also consider them illegal domestically for use against there citizens?
All I know is if this is the case our government has in effect declared war on it's citizens. It is my suggestion that we must all prepare accordingly. I am envisioning 25 plus Million Ruby Ridges and Waco incidents.
In the end, THEY LOSE! BUT, not before tremendous cost...
NOTICE: To the PTB do not proceed further, for everyone's good.. including you, and YOUR families...
Funny how the .gov does not feel compelled to say and congress-critters so not feel compelled to ask ... What's going on? Why buy all the bullets now? Why the need for so many / any hollow point in these non-police agencies??
Indeed it has (or at least parts of it have). It is the way of things. Despotism (madness really) cannot be contained to overseas ("we fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here"); it will eventually bite the hands that feed it and in so doing kill itself (that's the logical crux of the problem w/a war on "terror").
And whether its the Hague or Geneva Conventions, a "just-following-orders" defense will not flush, esp to a well armed lynch mob.
Remember soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines, you swore an oath to protect the Constitution from ALL enemies foreign AND domestic.
The President also swore to uphold the Constitution. Did it make any difference?
They lie, they cheat, they steal and they kill.
As you say sir, it is the Hague Convention, NOT the Geneva Convention which bans such ammo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_ammunition
"Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition, due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation. In many jurisdictions, even ones such as the United Kingdom, where expanding ammunition is generally prohibited, it is illegal to hunt certain types of game with ammunition that does not expand.[4][5] Some target ranges forbid full metal jacket ammunition, due to its greater tendency to damage metal targets and backstops."
[Again, George needs to get his facts straight]
"Again, George needs to get his facts straight"
Never let the facts stand in the way of causing an undue panic, my man!
Besides, the convention really addressed the use of "Dum-Dum" bullets first. (see dumdum arsenal write-up). The conventional wisdom is that a through-and-through will disable an enemy soldier, requiring two comrades to carry him back to safety, whereas on obviously dispatched immediately will be allowed to lie on the battlefield until the firefight has run its course.
In order to put 5 rounds into every American. Duh!
Because only dictators use poison gas?
....because they are bad shots and may actually require 10 rounds per person....
Police state shooting standards have gone way down, 5 rounds per American isn't enough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1y1UQuBkVQ they'll need more like 100, conversely the public's skill and willingess to kill has gone way up as a result of daily practice on CallofDuty on PS3 and X box.
ZOG's ammo acquisition #s are not yet impressive. In Vietnam it took the US military about 400,000 rounds to kill one communist. 5 rounds per Patriot/Constitutionalist? They are going to need way more than that.
Margin of error.
We are now here.
We will soon be here.
Plan accordingly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65987/niall-ferguson/complexity-a...
Niall Ferguson article in Foreign Affairs
Thank you.
Humans do have a way of repeating history.
Always amazes me how people will down arrow a simple truth.
Maybe we should toss out some laws of thermodynamics or something at random for the fun of it.
something out of Gotterdammerung
but, as a student of history, this argument is not lost on me and it has been advanced by many people whom i respect a great deal
personally ready for it but frankly, an off the cliff scenario would create such global chaos that i do not think it is ever possible to really be prepared for the inevitabilities
hopefully well supplied enough here to at least survive the initial impact
Initial impact: ~6 months of really ugly.
Maybe Americans are going to get a taste of what they are giving to the rest of the world.
"Maybe Americans are going to get a taste of what they are giving to the rest of the world."
Awwww crap! you mean like.............................INFLATION?
you mean their government. Like everywhere else, most people are good people, it's their government who does the big crimes
I don't really know if most are, but I agree with the sentiment. +1
Its the psychological impact that you can never prepare for.
powder dry
but i think we can turn the titanic around
Also - we are fighting incrementalists who conquered europe through fraud
weve already had our WW2 in the form of being used as the NWO pitbull for 70 years while our substance and the logistical basis of our economy was eaten out and moved elsewhere
also, everyone is predicting an off the cliff scenario
what i see is rather 20 years of austerity and pressue cooking a la britain and or japan
Japan is not saddled with the expenses of foreign wars/occupation. It also maintains a positive balance of trade with the rest of the world. The US scenario will be a sudden and viloent end of the financial system through hyperinflation and then total collapse.
factoid: since fukishima Japan has had their trade balance go negative. Was there a few months ago and their own newspapers had articels about it.
Japan is not saddled with the expenses of foreign wars/occupation.
And soon we wont be either.
Re. And soon we wont be either.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH21Ak02.html
They are stocking up, because they expect their buying power to evaporate, just like everyone else. They are stocking up on our dime while they can. Isn't this obvious?
Funny thing is they're more scared of me wiedling a molotov while wearing a backlava than I am of them with a million rounds.
Millions of rounds of pistol ammunition.
Useful range is < 50 feet (in conventional auto-pistols).
Soft nose ammunition does not penetrate as well as ordinary ball ammunition. Layers of clothing will deflect or slow down these rounds. Cannot penetrate conventional body armor. These are not combat rounds.
This is why hollow points are not used in military weapons: against Geneva Convention, also expensive, jams too. It doesn't ricochet after a miss which is why law enforcement likes it. Cops can empty their pistols @ - into unarmed suspects and misses/pass-throughs won't kill dozens of bystanders w/ ricochets.
Sounds like overpurchase of useless junk specifically to enrich private ammunition companies.
Better ammunition is .45 ACP high penetration, proven stopping power doesn't jam.
Ordinary 9 mm ball pistol ammunition allows high-capacity mags. (.45 is very heavy mags will drop out of the firearm.)
Proven best combat is ordinary Kalashnikov AK w/ ball ammunition. US M-4/M-15 pattern carbines invariably jam (from US after-action reports from Iraq and Afghanistan) Older 30.06 sniper rifles, 7.62 mm belt-fed machine guns and single round grenade launchers are only reliable military weapons in US armory.
'Genocide gun' would be very small caliber repeater: .223 cal low velocity: one to the back of the head.
:)
Burka ? But then you'd also mean a sword.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124076/Armed-robber-disguised-burka-locked-brutal-30k-gems-raid.html
Thing is they are not afraid. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
They'll arm their DHS goons and go into their White House bunker and laugh while their goons and the American people kill each other off for months if not years... then the majority of sheeple will ask for ``government to impose law and order because we're sick of not having jobs, food, water, not feeling safe``... they'll abandon their freedom to ``feel safe`` like good little sheeple and most will go along with it.
Appologies for somewhat OT. but let's try to keep this guy's story alive. Like in the old Soviet Union, anyone authority doesn't like can be disappeared in a mental institution. Former Marine Brandon Raub is still being held against his will, has not been charged and neither the FBI, the Secret Service nor the Chesterfield County, Viginia Police Department will say who authorized / decided to take him into custody and imprison him in a mental hospital.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/249947-Former-Marine-Brandon-Raub-Is-L...
Funny thing is they're more scared of me wiedling a molotov while wearing a backlava than I am of them with a million rounds.
Then you are a fool.
A word to the wise
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/welcome-to-united-soviet-states-of.html
GFK. A baklava is a sweet pastry. Why would you wear that?
Balaclava != Baklava LOL!
I am still laughing as I type this. Too funny, dude.
I really hope he doesn't share pictures.
And that's why the Tylers don't give out image sharing privileges to just anyone.
(By the way, GFK, mind the ants.)
Cut him some slack - he's a pot-head.