Major General: Why Are Domestic Government Agencies Purchashing Enough Lethal Ammunition to Put 5 Rounds In Every American?

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Preface: There might be an innocent explanation. But given recent trends, this is worrisome.

Retired Major General Jerry Curry wrote Friday:

The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.




Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.


What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.


Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest?




If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets.  These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.


In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.




All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it.




We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.




This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.

Why are government agencies doing this?

Major General Curry asks a troubling questions:

We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?

This may sound like a conspiracy theory …

But remember that Senator Daniel Inouye said in 1987:

There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.

The Federal Reserve – which is not exactly federal (and see this)- also has its own police force.  See this and this.

Chalmers Johnson called the CIA the President’s private army.

But that’s nothing compared to JSOC.  As John Glaser wrote in February:

For the past decade, we’ve seen the rise of a secret, unaccountable U.S. military force … Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is an unwieldy private army at the command of the President, and him only. And they conduct military and spy missions all over the world, never receiving formal congressional approval ….


“Without the knowledge of the American public,” wrote Nick Turse back in August, “a secret force within the U.S. military is undertaking operations in a majority of the world’s countries. This new Pentagon power elite is waging a global war whose size and scope has never been revealed.” According to a recent Congressional Research Service report, JSOC forces “reportedly conduct highly sensitive combat and supporting operations against terrorists on a world-wide basis.” As the New York Times this week reported:

The Special Operations Command now numbers just under 66,000 people — including both military personnel and Defense Department civilians — a doubling since 2001. Its budget has reached $10.5 billion, up from $4.2 billion in 2001 (after adjusting for inflation).Over the past decade, Special Operations Command personnel have been deployed for combat operations, exercises, training and other liaison missions in more than 70 countries. Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Special Operations Command sustained overseas deployments of more than 12,000 troops a day, with four-fifths committed to the broader Middle East.

JSOC operates outside the confines of the traditional military and even beyond what the CIA is able to do.




But it goes well beyond the war zones. In concert with the Executive’s new claims on extra-judicial assassinations via drone strikes, even if the target is an American citizen, JSOC goes around the world murdering suspects without the oversight of a judge or, god forbid, granting those unfortunate souls the right to defend themselves in court against secret, evidence-less government decrees about their guilt. As Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh said at a speaking event in 2009:

Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on.***


Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us….

[Marc Ambinder told Wired]:

There are legal restrictions on what the CIA can do in terms of covert operations. There has to be a finding, the president has to notify at least the “Gang of Eight” [leaders of the intelligence oversight committees] in Congress. JSOC doesn’t have to do any of that. There is very little accountability for their actions. What’s weird is that many in congress who’d be very sensitive to CIA operations almost treat JSOC as an entity that doesn’t have to submit to oversight. It’s almost like this is the president’s private army, we’ll let the president do what he needs to do.

An End-Run Around the Constitution?

Remember, we’ve gone from a nation of laws to a nation of powerful men making laws in secret.  A nation where Congressional leaders themselves    aren’t even allow to see the laws, or to learn about covert programs. A nation where Congressmen are threatened with martial law if they don’t approve radical programs.

National security powers are being used to help big business, to the detriment of the American people.

Veterans returning from the front lines are labeled “potential terrorists”, to the horror of both the Republican and Democratic leadership.

This is not surprising, given that tyrannical regimes always crumble when the footsoldiers refuse to carry out draconian measures.

Indeed, active duty military personnel are big Ron Paul supporters.  And see this.  Because liking Ron Paul – as well as liking liberty or the Founding Fathers – may get one branded as a potential terrorist these days, there may be some friction between active military folks and the government as well.

We’ve been in a continuous state of National Emergency for 11 years.  The Constitution has so thoroughly been shredded that it – literally – unclear whether we are still living in a constitutional form of government.

Because military folks are sworn to defend the Constitution, many still would not allow the imposition of overt, full-scale fascism without a fight.  See this and this.

As such, Major General Curry’s speculation is chilling, indeed:

Is the purpose [of the lethal ammunition purchases] to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?

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howardtlewisiii's picture

  This is a deadly serious situation, so listen tight. They bought 5 rounds of ammunition for each American, including a majority being hollow point rounds which splatter on contact to flesh and denser tissue, because they aim to kill many people who do not flirt back when grabbed by the crotch or refuse domination by U.N. and now apparently Russian troops. A small detachment of Russian troops may have been domestically directed against American citizens in Minnesota, including suspected participation against DARPA and LIBOR scientist, Dr. Robert Holmes' family.

  A 'James Holmes' vaguely resembling his son, 'James Holmes' is now being held in the Auburn theater mass shooting, while the police dispatch records him being oblivious drugged out in the real 'James Holmes' car behind the theater while at least three other suspects, one dressed like 'Holmes in the car' was found, including a second gas mask. The real 'James Holmes' seems to be missing. Check out all the comparisons proving the arrested male is NOT James Holmes.

  Since JFK was killed, the Shadow Government, featuring individuals from the CIA, NSA, and a host of domestic support organizations who support The City of London, have been stabbing the U.S. in the back, including violent and destructive attacks regularly, like somebody pounding in a nail. The mewling, prancing, sucking, circus poodle conga line congress relies on the Rothschild CFRtv and their money, and so do not react, preferring to hand somebody else a medal for brilliance, bravery and all that stuff purchased with blood, which they believe they are too good to contribute. I beg to differ. I say draft them all and let the people live in peace.

lolmao500's picture

Here's the latest buy from DHS (from august 16) :

165 million rounds of 223...

NeedtoSecede's picture

Since I read yesterday about the dude arrested/detained/quarantined for his Faceplant rants, and now more of this shit; the only thing I can think of is the words from a song by the late great Ronny James Dio.

"Life's fantasy? To be locked away and still to think you're free!"

I hope this is not prophetic, but the song is titled "Die Young"

I really think secession is the best solution. The south, all the flyover states and maybe a couple the Great Lakes region would make a nice new country. We'd have ag for feed and export. We have energy with the Bakken and all the existing oil and gas plays. With the Mississippi River we have a great transportation hub to global markets. And best of all there are a lot military bases in this new nation I envision. Shit, we could even rent the broke old USSA our military might to provide their security since the only thing they will be able to afford SNAP and Obamacare. No need for revolution but we do need to secede bitchez!

keymandan's picture

You're right.  By seceding, the states that are still in the Federal system will gradually be denied the money and resources of the more financially viable states that have seceded.  If things keep going the way they are going, with the Feds becoming more and more autocratic, and demanding the States pick up the tab for all the new socialist programs being implemented, the States will rush to secede.  On the other hand, the black ops - if they were turned against states in rebellion, could make the first Civil War look like, well, a tea party.  We're outgunned, the technology the globalists have seems like science fiction, and most of us haven't been in a physical confrontation since childhood.  Most men are wusses, and women are as likely to be the fight soldier as the supportive wife of one.  This new civil war will be very strange indeed, but the people are easily cowered into submission.  

Best of luck, but God is going to act after this whole thing comes to fruition, and there is no hope but Him.

lakecity55's picture

Whatever your persuasion, prayer is a good thing right now.

Cman5000's picture

Almost every federal agency has a Law Enforcement branch or Security branch. Nothing to see here move along ...

tony bonn's picture

why george gives anyone the benefit of the doubt regarding purchases of bullets by the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION baffles me.....are you going senile george? what in fuck's name does the ssa need bullets for????????????????????????????????????????????????/ it is for murdering americans just like the saginaw michigan police did to a homeless man a few days ago....

an asshole murderous professor went on fox news to defend it as an event which took on a life of its own because the officers were threatened....yeah - 6 uber heavily armed police officers threatened by a mentally ill man wielding a knife....fuck you they pumped him full of 30 bullets in 5 seconds....

it is time true americans take to the streets in massive are going to be murdered next by the gestapo just like those stupid jews thought that they were going on holiday when hitler sent them post cards to go to their concentration camps....


I forgot who wrote it?  "If they come for us in the night, they'll come for you in the daylight." I'm loading up and following the yellow brick road...

lakecity55's picture

Every able bodied citizen person needs to carry a roscoe. 24/7.

Mithril's picture

The Bankers have taken control of our Republic and have the politicians in thier pocket. You would be in control also if you had a legal company to print money.... End the Fed!

steelrules's picture

When you invade a country and you want to control it what's the easiest way to do it?

You turn brother against brother, father against son, religion against religion, then sit back and watch the country tear it's self apart.

The fucking bankers have it all planed out, they want a civil war so they can finance both sides, then step in and profit off the remains.

It's happned in every war since the dawn of man.

Mithril's picture

The Bankers have taken over... They have the government in thier pocket. You would be in control if you had a legal private company that could print money..... End the Fed!

FeralSerf's picture

With all that ammo the Social Security Admin. is getting, it looks like they've found the answer to the trust fund deficit problem.  When someone applies for benefits, they'll get paid in lead.

Vendetta's picture

and not a single round will save the dollar

OhBaldOne's picture

Inouye was spot on:

"There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."

These are the same people responsible for 9/11. They are the only group with the resources, the manpower, the power, the capital, the web of secrecy to protect them from discovery, that could pull 9/11 off. Their agenda is not that of the people (duh!).

The 4 trilliion dollars in Pentagon spending that vaporized? Building 7 in freefall? The missing CIA, FBI, files, the missing Federal reserve Gold in the basement of building 7? Guilliani's 'command central'? The Arabs getting out of the US carte blanche? Take all the anomolies and add them up and you have the shadow government in charge. Obama and Mittens will do what they are told - llke every president siince Kennedy has done. And if you don't do as told…well, you get Wellstoned. Either your plane goes down, you commit suicide, you get murdered by some burglar, your car crashes, you die from radiation poisoning…you get the picture.



I am on to you's picture

Its beyond, what any one will imagine,belive in,and trust

I was thinking just the same:Donnald Rumsfelds words:09/10,there is 3-4 trillion dollars in Pentagon spendings, we cant count for.

Then i remember Colin Powels words to:What could i do,"rewritten in my words",They wanted war+They,who are They?Makes one think,Shaddow They!

Henry Hub's picture

I wonder if the explanation for this is nothing more than pork barrel politics. Some ammunition manufacturer in some chosen senator's state who's sales are slipping needs some help with demand. After all they were big contributers to XXX's campaign.

Money_for_Nothing's picture

The ammo is for bartering after the fiat money collapse. Good as gold.

The Fonz...before shark jump's picture

First comes fraud

Then comes force

The fraud looks like its entering the bottom of 9th

eatthebanksters's picture

My worry is that TPTB know something we don't...they are getting ready while we're sipping our coffee.  Kind of like when the housing bubble blew up or when Geithner didn't call out the TBTF banks on the Libor fraud.  Expedience vs. principal.  Great white sharks are expedient, human beings (society) are supposed to be principled...Methinks the days of principle are over.

MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

Expedience vs. principal

Did you mean "principle?"

Nah - I guess you had it correct all along.

Buck Johnson's picture

They truly are.  Something is coming and they are getting ready for it.  They know that once the whole game implodes and they can't send out any checks people will go nuts and that is the reason for the ammo.  There is no reaosn for the SSA to have that much and that type of ammunition. 

TBT or not TBT's picture

Oh, we know very well what has happened.    This country was not founded as a democracy, but rather a representative republic with a federal government of very limited roles and powers.   We were not founded as a democracy for a very good reason.    

Democracy tends toward tyranny because generally politicians discover the way to permanent and increasing power is to give out presents from the national treasury, i.e. buy folks off, grow dependent constituencies, and generally siphon off of what produces wealth to feed and grow the ranks of those who'd prefer to mainly just consume it(including bureaucrats...remember the "Multiplies offices" and "suck the substance out of the people" type language from our Declaration of Independence).     King George was a piker compared to the central government we have now.    It will protect itself and its own first.

TBT or not TBT's picture

A few observations:

They're purchasing half of ANYTHING they buy with borrowed/printed money.   

Hollowpoints are obviously not needed for shooting practice.

This administration is not a fan of the private contractors they'll have to buy these flesh shredding bullets from.

This increase in demand for hollow point ammo would drive up the price of these categories of ammo for private citizens and local state, at least for a while, and maybe empty shelves of  certain types.

The latter does seem like the kind of calculus the "Fast and Furious" pro-disarmament control freak pro-totalitarian Chicagoan Obama administration would like.

lakecity55's picture

Actually, it has been the practice for a while now to qualify and train with what you are carrying, if budgets allow.

So, that leaves only 4 rounds for each USA Person Citizen.

If you look at the hit ratio of Oblowme's hood rats, it's about right.

Bringin It's picture

I see all these comments about taking away supply and driving up price, but that doesn't make sense for hollow point. 

If scarcity is the idea, wouldn't the .gov want to make scarce something that can penetrate body armor? 

supermaxedout's picture

Is this a joke ? The SSA is ordering the amunition. Wasn't  the SS Adolfs private army?

If this story is really true, then ..... I'm speechless.

pd45's picture

Does anyone know how many federal level law enforcement agencies there are? Let's start a list.




o Secret Service

o US Marshalls

Edit: Found the wiki page

... and my favorate the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Police.  "Don't fuck with that map!!"


shutdown's picture

That list does NOT include the tens of thousands of very well armed private security contractors guarding US Government assets everywhere. They're primarily domestic but also found overseas. The (tens? hundreds? of) millions of rounds they use for practice and qualification and keep available for ready, deadly use are not on this very incomplete Wiki list.  

tip e. canoe's picture

well, according to above article, you can add the SSA and NOAA to the list.

of course, one must wonder whether if that's exactly what "they" want us to think.

"don't fuck with that fish!"

magpie's picture

The official German translation of DHS is 'Heimatschutzbehörde' - i've always called it the Heimatssicherheitsamt - of course the translation makes it sound relatively harmless, like the Coast Guard or Park Rangers.

Pejorative Requiem's picture

To any who are watching, ammunition is a commodity. Ever thought of the purchase as an investment?

Yamaha's picture

Yes - I have all my hollow points stored in my vault. More bullets, smokeless power and primers.

It's an old Boy Scout thing - "Be Prepared"..........

francis_sawyer's picture

You'll shoot your eye out kid!

Wakanda's picture

"Why Do They Need So Much Ammunition?"

The Second American Revolution - now unfolding in a neighborhood near you.

holdingontomypants's picture

Maybe they are planning to invade Mexico as part of their border initative program.

deerhunter's picture

o Strolled into local Super Walmart to purchase some 9mm ammo.  Store has been open about a year and best priced 9mm ammo in the county.   Whole ammo case is empty.  No reason no explanation posted to the ammo case.  Curious has anyone seen this anywhere else?  My 10 dollar for 50 round days seem to be over.  Thanks

jomama's picture

^reads ZH and shops at wal-mart...?!  the cognitive dissonance is deafening. 

magpie's picture

Not trying to be a Baghdad-Bob-nothing-to-see-here, but by the time social and political disintegration occurs most of the munitions would likely be already sold off, missappropriated or changed hands some other way.

lolmao500's picture

You mean it'll all be gone by next year?? Impossible.

Umh's picture

To cause a backlash? Which they can counter.

To keep you and I from buying it?

For other government agencies?

Serious question; what have they bought in the past?

Because they government is going to halt the manufacture of ammuntion and needs to get theirs while the getting is good.

zrussell's picture

You are all missing this wonderful opportunity of putting our unemployed veterans, cops, and firement back to work! Working for the DHS to regulate the behaviour of a generally unruly populace. win-win!

Dan Duncan's picture

Hey Doofus--that would be GW, and if you didn't already know this, it'd be you too--

What say you:

benb's picture

No you're the doofus. WSJ has for the most part has become a propaganda rag for the Globalist/Eugenics criminals. Same with most of the other rags of record. Many were CIA infomercials for the global Syndicate all along.

Shame you don't know the difference. Now go eat some GMO corn and wash it down with flouridated water. It's good for you.

Hannibal's picture

That shows how paranoid TPTB are, scared shitless their crimes being exposed. The cat is out of the box. Arrests and prosecution Nuremburg trial style must be applied aggressively.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

It's called NDAA 1867 with civil attatchments 1020 - 1021.  Suspended PosseComitatus Act should get your attention. 

edifice's picture

In America, you don't kill Social Security... Social Security kills you!!