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Are People Being Thrown In Psychiatric Wards For Their Political Views?
Many psychologists and psychiatrists are good people, who are only trying to help their patients.
But the Nazi government substantially supported psychologists … many of whom, in turn, espoused extermination of the people they considered to be “racially and cognitively compromised”.
Soviet psychiatrists famously aided Stalin in applying fake insanity diagnoses to political dissenters. The official explanation was that no sane person would declaim the Soviet government and Communism.
American psychologists created the American program of torture which was specially-crafted to produce false confessions to justify U.S. military policy. And see this.
And authoritarian American psychologists are eager to label anyone “taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, … and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook” as worthy of a trip to the insane asylum. (Those traits may also get one labeled as a potential terrorist.)
As prominent forensic psychiatrist James Knoll - psychiatry professor at SUNY-Syracuse and director of a forensic fellowship program - writes in the Psychiatric Times:
When psychiatric science becomes co-opted by a political agenda, an unhealthy alliance may be created. It is science that will always be the host organism, to be taken over by political viruses…. [P]sychiatry may come to resemble a new organism entirely -- one that serves the ends of the criminal justice system.
Even psychologists with good intentions can erroneously label people delusional simply because they themselves make bad assumptions.
There is even a label for this – the “Martha Mitchell Effect” – defined as:
The process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician mistakes the patient’s perception of real events as delusional and misdiagnoses accordingly.
The authors of a paper on this phenomenon (Bell, V., Halligan, P.W., Ellis, H.D. (2003) Beliefs About Delusions. The Psychologist, 6 (8), 418-422) conclude:
Sometimes, improbable reports are erroneously assumed to be symptoms of mental illness [due to a] failure or inability to verify whether the events have actually taken place, no matter how improbable intuitively they might appear to the busy clinician.
In other words, psychologists who haven’t taken the time to examine for themselves the claims of their patients will tend to label as delusional anything which they “intuitively” feel is improbable. As such, psychologists and psychiatrists are just as prone to acting out their irrational prejudices as anyone else … unless they take the time to investigate and educate themselves.
Governments Indefinitely Detaining Citizens In Psychiatric Wards Without Due Process of Law
As such, detention in psych wards on mere “suspicion” of posing a danger – without due process of law – is troubling.
For example, former marine Brandon Raub was just carted off and locked in a psychiatric ward for his allegedly “anti-government” Facebook posts.
AP reports today:
Police – acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional – took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.
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Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state’s emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.
New York Police officer Adrian Schoolcraft was involuntarily hospitalizated in a psychiatric ward after he recorded videotapes of his fellow police officers engaging in corruption.
Claire Swinney of New Zealand was also held in a psychiatric ward and called “delusional” for criticizing the government. Susan Lindauer was held under the Patriot Act for a year at Carswell Air Force Base - where psychiatric drugs were pushed on her - after she alleged government corruption.
The Daily Mail notes:
The [British] Government has established a shadowy new national anti-terrorist unit to protect VIPs, with the power to detain suspects indefinitely using mental health laws.
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The team’s psychiatrists and psychologists then have the power to order treatment – including forcibly detaining suspects in secure psychiatric units.
Using these powers, the unit can legally detain people for an indefinite period without trial, criminal charges or even evidence of a crime being committed and with very limited rights of appeal.
Until now it has been the exclusive decision of doctors and mental health professionals to determine if someone should be forcibly detained.
But the new unit uses the police to identify suspects – increasing fears the line is being blurred between criminal investigation and doctors’ clinical decisions.
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Scotland Yard, which runs the shadowy unit, refuses to discuss how many suspects have been forcibly hospitalised by the team because of “patient confidentiality”.
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The purpose of the centre is “to evaluate and manage the risk posed to prominent people by…those who engage in inappropriate or threatening communications or behaviours in the context of abnormally intense preoccupations, many [Many? That means that some are not] of which arise from psychotic illness.”
Who gets to decide what “inappropriate” or “threatening” means? What if a whistleblower has information that a member of parliament has engaged in bribes? Would trying to reveal such information constitute “inappropriate or threatening communications or behaviours” in the context of “abnormally intense preoccupations” with that MP’s illegal actions?
Indeed, a study published in the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry found a high rate of false positives in the British identification of dangerous persons.
The Mail continues:
So-called ‘sectioning’ allows a patient to be held for up to six months before a further psychological assessment. Patients are then reviewed every year to determine if they can be released.
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Human rights activists fear the team, whose existence has never been publicised, may be being used as a way to detain suspected terrorists without having to put evidence before the courts.
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Last night human rights group Liberty said the secret unit represented a new threat to civil liberties.
Policy director Gareth Crossman said: “There is a grave danger of this being used to deal with people where there is insufficient evidence for a criminal prosecution.
“This blurs the line between medical decisions and police actions. If you are going to allow doctors to take people’s liberty away, they have to be independent. That credibility is undermined when the doctors are part of the same team as the police.
“This raises serious concerns. First that you have a unit that allows police investigation to lead directly to people being sectioned without any kind of criminal proceedings.
“Secondly, it is being done under the umbrella of anti-terrorism at a time when the Government is looking at ways to detain terrorists without putting them on trial.”
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The team examined thousands of cases and liaised with the FBI, the US Secret Service, the Capitol Hill Police, which protects Congressmen and Senators, and the Swedish and Norwegian secret services.
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Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley said: “The Government is trying to bring in a wider definition of mental disorder and is resisting exclusions which ensure that people cannot be treated as mentally disordered on the grounds of their cultural, political or religious beliefs.
“When you hear they are also setting up something like this police unit, it raises questions about quite what their intentions are.
“The use of mental health powers of detention should be confined to the purposes of treatment. But the Government wants to be able to detain someone who is mentally disordered even when the treatment would have no benefit.
“Combined with the idea that someone could be classed as mentally ill on the grounds of their religious beliefs, it is a very worrying scenario.”
Indeed, the whole “indefinite detention” process (which Americans living on American soil are subject to) can be based on circular reasoning:
The government’s indefinite detention policy – stripped of it’s spin – is literally insane, and based on circular reasoning. Stripped of p.r., this is the actual policy:
- If you are an enemy combatant or a threat to national security, we will detain you indefinitely until the war is over
- It is a perpetual war, which will never be over
- Neither you or your lawyers have a right to see the evidence against you, nor to face your accusers
- But trust us, we know you are an enemy combatant and a threat to national security
- We may torture you (and try to cover up the fact that you were tortured), because you are an enemy combatant, and so basic rights of a prisoner guaranteed by the Geneva Convention don’t apply to you
- Since you admitted that you’re a bad guy (while trying to tell us whatever you think we want to hear to make the torture stop), it proves that we should hold you in indefinite detention
See how that works?
This is an analogy. We are not accusing psych wards of using torture. However, they do often use powerful psychiatric drugs on patients … which can elicit false confessions.
Are we going to slide into Soviet levels of psychiatric detention of political dissidents? Unless the spread of psychiatric detention without due process of law is checked, the mere belief that the government is interfering with your liberty may become grounds for locking you away.
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Perhaps "rogue nation" should be redefined.
Using antipsychotic drugs to control patients is a form of RESTRAINT, just as clearly as a take down on the floor or padded room. It is illegal and used all the time in the mental health field. So if they think they're w/in the law, they're not.
"When psychiatric science becomes co-opted by a political agenda..."
"When science becomes co-opted by psychiatric babble..."
fixed.
Yes, because were living under a fascist Dictatorship. Here is an update on Raub. Picked up, held without charges and sentenced to a psyche ward for 30 days for speaking out against our Gooberment. No crime has been commited.
Do all you can to help Raub and to avoid these illegal detainments in the future. This situation does NOT bode well with all Patriot groups. I post worse than what he did almost every day.
Close your Facebook account. It's NSA / FBI et al monitored.
His situation is described in the "Hell Care Bill", a trial baloon if you will. It's Bullshit, we have to protect the 1A right or wrong. Reference MIAC Report for more info on his and other outspoken citizens of the USA.
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX1EvM6XksM
Whoever thought it would happen in the U.S.. Well, actually they've been wanting this type of power for a long time and it looks like they have it now, anybody, any time, just like magic. Just like drug search warrants based upon the word of a convicted felon who wants to be released. They kick the door, shoot your dog, shoot you or yours, destroy your house and property, find nothing and then leave. This forces you to sue them for damages and if you are successful, they pay the bill out of public funds. All the shootings will of course be found justifiable because they really want those door kickers and the ability to use them at will. What a chubby they must get.
The American Constitution means nothing to the government, nor does the Bill of Rights, because they are the people's documents, imbuing the citizens with power and control. Seems the government doesn't like that construct and intends to destroy it, along with anyone who voices a contrary opinion, or gets in the way. Of course our media doesn't see any problem with this as long as they arrest, injure and kill the right people and they'll be glad to tell you who that is 24/7/365, the American people.
Exactly! Now I hope people see how 9/11 was a huge power grab via Patriot Act II and NDAA. A huge transfer of Freedoms and power from the people to the Federal arms if you will.
" Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither and will lose both"
-Ben Franklin.
9/11 set the stage to take your right's in the name of National Security lest we forget Building 7.
It shreded the Bill of Rights in the name of chasing an enemy without borders that we invented. 9/11 was no "fluke" or happenstance. A 1 Trillion dollar defense system thwarted by cave dwellers? Yea, right.
Some of the liberals whom the Liberty Brigade love to shit on are attempting to do something about it:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/10861-criminalizing-dissent
Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg et al, good news-bad news results. They're succeeding against NDAA . . . but the goobermint maintains it could already do whatever the fuck it wanted under the Authorization of Use of Military Force (AUMF) resolution under which Bush launched the Afganistan and Iraq Wars.
Ahhhh. Martha Mitchell, who hid out at 808 Poplar in Greenwood, MS during Watergate at the Saunders' residence (her Chi Omega sorority sister from Univ of Arkansas). In those wonderful days, nobody knew where she was for almost 2 weeks.
Try that today.
One other thing in case you do not realize it.
..................................YOUR/WE/ ARE FUCKED !.............................
NO MATTER WHO IS ELECTED !
Cheers mates
With intelligence like this running things it, is no surprise. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bieber-gaga-obama-join-beyonce-130740020.html;_ylt=AhuuJSV.zxvQ6q8jqs7yN1cFuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTIzdmxoMGJyBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEluZmluaXRlIEJyb3dzZSBTcGxpdARwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFJbmZpbml0ZUJyb3dzZUxpc3Q-;_ylg=X3oDMTJuMm1pOW1sBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMTg3ZDY1YWQtNjFiMS0zYWNmLTk5OTEtMGI1OTUxYjdkM2Q1BHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3
Lady Gag me ?...Falls right into the UN Masonic ritual of the Olympics ritual
Those that are not familiar with what this means to your future lol,you better find out.
Perhaps they need more sacrifices...Maybe you ! Maybe me.
Go see Michelle at the Naval base in Jacksonville today and ask her
Maybe ask how her relatives are doing with the voodoo in the whitehouse its almost halloween.
The answer to Georges question though is yes.The new norm is black is white ,white is black,left is right and so on .Logic of psychopaths
Another false flag will be along shortly .
Good day to you Zerohedgers
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-guns-mentally-ill-201208...
Story about gun ownership and "mental illness" in the Baltimore Sun this morning.
cant have crazies running around with guns now can we
if there was only a way to identify them crazies to everyone.....perhaps we should dress them different, perhaps with helmets so they dont bang their heads and black easily identifiable uniforms, maybe put a five pointed silver star on them like the star the jews had to wear, and a five letter word like juden only different....maybe POLICE would work
sarcasm isnt a sign of insanity is it...maybe i should call my doctor
fantastic article, keep up the super great job GW.
http://expose2.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/a-voice-from-the-dark/
thye lindaur link was amazing
Brandom Raub was arrested by Chesterfield County, Virginia police. Chesterfield County does not have a Faceook monitoring unit, nor does the State of Virginia. Therefore, the Sheriff of Chesterfield County violated the rights of a citizen whom he was sworn to protect, on advice of either FB or the Federal government. Therefore, the Sheriff should be peacefully removed from office, in accordance with the citizens' rights, whether psycihatrists appove or not. BTW, psychiaitrsts tend to be a fairly unstable bunch, kinda dependent on government grants and license and reimbursements, just sayin'.
"..Therefore, the Sheriff of Chesterfield County violated the rights of a citizen whom he was sworn to protect, on advice of either FB or the Federal government. Therefore, the Sheriff should be peacefully removed from office, in accordance with the citizens' rights, whether psycihatrists appove or not..."
You know the way this works as well as I do. The Sherriff would have had two choices - comply now or join Brandom for obstructing a Federal Marshal in the execution of his duty . I can't see how he could have done any protecting.
It's the same choice you would have had if you had been a policeman in Munich in 1937 and had been ordered to bring in someone who had been protesting the Nazi party...
The sheriff could have refused to participate and let the feds do it themselves
It's the same choice you would have had if you had been a policeman in Munich in 1937 and had been ordered to bring in someone who had been protesting the Nazi party...
Weak. Very weak.
The Federalaes do a lot of strange things in CA and the local police and sheriffs often, usually decline to participate. I've heard of the same thing at family farm auctions in the mid-West.
The persons who detain citizens without due process of law are the ones who need to be lodged in psychiatric wards.
The people who enact such laws need to lodged permanently behind bars.
As the Chinese say "Slaughter one chicken in front of the monkeys"......shuts em up fast.
"One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic." StalinI think we can now see that what happened to the Germans in WW2 and to the Russians in the Cold War is not that different to what is happening to us now.
It is NOT true that somehow our enemies are all sub-human, while we are cuddly and trustworthy. Given the chance, ALL societies have humans who will behave this way. Google the 'Milgram Experiment' to see what the future holds...
While denouncing Joseph Stalin in a speech one day, Khrushchev was interrupted by a voice from the audience: "You were one of Stalin's colleagues," the man declared. "Why didn't you stop him?"
"Who said that!?" Khrushchev roared. This was followed by a terrified silence - only broken at last by Khrushchev himself.
"Now..." he said in a quiet voice, "Now you know why."
I think one needs to make sure you're not mixing psychology with psychiatry. Psychology is a real discipline. Psychiatry has always been an arm of the state to put away people that are "undesirable".
Not surprisingly, you quoted someone from SUNY-Syracuse. Professor Thomas Szasz has been at SUNY-Syracuse for decades writing on this very topic. Particularly his in 1960 book, The Myth of Mental Illness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz
Coercion as Cure: A Critical History of Psychiatry is another great book.
http://books.google.com/books?id=hYdLS6qyTwUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onep...
I wrote a scathing letter to Patty Murray and it was returned. They needed my address and phone number in order to accept it, supposedly to prove I was a constituent. I decided rather quickly that it wasn't worth the risk.
we don't ask the president for a birth certificate to prove he an american. why should you have to prove your a constituent?
QUACKS!
'Shutter Island' (2010 film with Leonardo diCaprio)
Let's face it George,
there is no law anymore.
All that is left is lawlessness.
The rule of law is gone.
The US Department of Justice is being run by political figure with Eric Holder doing everything he can to make sure his liberal friends will not be prosecuted whether they came from Wall St. or Main St. Fast and Furious is looking more and more like it's just the tip of the iceberg of corruption.
There is color of law...
presumption is a hell of a drug ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c27-KQd1Uo&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvrHtTdaqCY&feature=channel&list=UL
(it might be wise to log off ur uboob account before clicking on above links)
The procedures described all began with a govt. official making a psiychiatric evaluation ,notififying the police and then the target, not patient, is forced into a institution for evaluation by a professional. The professional should be at the beginning of the process not at the end. The most important criteria is if the person is very likely to physically harm other people and that burden of proof shoild be high. If there is doubt ,weapons could be "temporaily" confiscated and/or the ATF notified to prevent the purchase of weapons and an alert issued to local authorities that they might be planning violence.
“My brother doesn’t even own a gun,” Brent Raub (Brendon's younger brother) said.
His only weapons are his brain, mouth and fingers on a keyboard.
"The pen is mightier than the sword"
Ma Ma Moma were all crazy now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_vo_KBV8Ig
Skynet is here! We are all fucked. Who wants to go down swinging?
Are so called "news" agencies and their corespondents repeating fake stories staged by Homeland Security to rile up the general population and create lists of potential "lone wolves"? It kinda looks that way.
Tunga - yes, but if you got thrown in some slammer or psyc-ward for no appearent reason, you'd probably appreciate whatever support you could get. If everyone drops the belief in their right to free speech, there won't be any.
Is it already gone?
Yes. Standard procedure in totalitarian states.
Tunga blurs his avitar at the critical moment.
Something does feel a bit off and slightly contrived with this story....(not sarcasm)
I have to go shine my tinfoil hat now....(sarcasm...sort of. :)
Who wants to admit they are "Pro-Government" these days?
They're breaking doors down in Seattle and Oregon. They've been doing this sporadically but its increasing. Then they will have a news brief on some nuts shooting some cops in Louisianna Mobile park, and associate the people with "Anti-Government" leanings. LOL
Give me a fucking break....and if you are "Pro-Government", SPEAK NOW or forever hold your peace.
The US is lacking in mental health management and assistance to the population. It is also way underfunded and understaffed. This is ongoing for years. If there is a lock down due to a person being a danger to himself or others it is reasonable for the California 51/50 concept. Have a cert to hold for x days and evaluate. Then release or post the reason with patient and lawyer having access.
danger to self or others is the key here. Danger of exposing or opposing government or civil institutions is not a cause to hold for mental reasons.
It may not be a cause to hold a person for mental health reasons, but Holmes, the Aurora shooter, has had his mental health information splashed across MSM news outlets. It is a great way for the government to create suspicion about a person, and a way to discredit that person.
And to answer the article's lead question: yes, Comrade, we do throw people in "psych" wards just like Russia, China, and any of a number of dictatorships/totalatarian governments. Wonder when my turn will come? Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after me, and thee.
Yes.
george i love you again......the same totalitarian creeps who brought you the fbi, the bolshevik revolution, the vietnam war, assassination of jfk, world war 1, world war 2, the murder of martin luther king hr and his grandmother, the murder of john lennon, the 9/11 attacks and a swarm of other barbaric monstronsities also brings you psychiatry....naomi klein did a superb job describing these goons led by the bush crime syndicate and rockefeller axis of evil, the latter of whom established concentration camps in poland through standard oil of new jersey....they are now establishing them all over the country for americans....
klein goes into the subhuman minds of these plutocrats and academcis who devised the ghoulish mk ultra program which is very very much alive today.....
it is time to take to the streets to defeat these criminal plutocratic thugs.....
Tony - what if congress has been mass-mk-ultra'd??
it is time to take to the streets....
Forget that.
WALK AWAY FROM THE SYSTEM.
Yes! Up Arrow.
Exactly. Opt out of the system. They maintain that the green paper they give us is great. Without the modicum of exchange the new "middle class", those that are the enforcers, will have to get their food elsewhere. When the enforcers can no longer eat by the scraps of the overlords' table then they will try to take what is available. See Middle America, South America. There will always be those who think that being the right hand of the Devil is better than being in his path... Make them think again.
The new middle class is a subservient cast made up of those who wish to make others thier servants, not by economics or business, but by brute force sponsored by the 'state'. They no longer serve the public, they no longer protect the innocent. They exist to extort the public they were meant to serve with unions and the excuse that "they put their lives on the line." Crap. Any person who stands up to people who would otherwise run rampant over others is in the line of fire. It doesn't matter if you are POST certified or not. Doing what is right does not mean licking the boots of the gravy train conductors.
I await the 'boom at the door' simply because I am a white vet that exposed the truth....