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Former Marine Indefinitely Detained In Psychiatric Ward Over 9/11 Facebook Posts

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Marine Locked In Mental Ward for Questioning 9/11

Former marine Brandon Raub was carted off by the Feds and locked in a psychiatric ward for his Facebook posts questioning the government’s version of 9/11.

Raub isn’t the first person who has suffered this fate.  Claire Swinney was also held in a psychiatric ward and called “delusional” for claiming government liability for 9/11.   Others have been committed for the same reason over the last decade.

Surely the Feds are right … that kind of talk is crazy, right?

Maybe.  But many of the 9/11 Commissioners themselves don’t buy what the government says about 9/11, they say that the government has covered up the state sponsorship of the 9/11 hijackers, and .

Indeed, while they obviously haven’t said that the government was involved, 9/11 Commissioners have said we need further investigation and that the American people should question 9/11.  Does that mean they should they be committed to the same psych ward which Mr. Raub and Ms. Swinney enjoyed?  Of course not.

Some people believe that 9/11 was wholly unforeseeable.  Others believe that government personnel were criminally negligent in letting 9/11 happen, and then obstructed justice to cover it up.  See this, this, this, this, and this.   Still others believe that rogue government personnel allowed 9/11 to happen, or even played a role in the attacks themselves.

Whatever one believes about 9/11, isn’t our society built on freedom of speech? And if someone has kooky theories, won’t the scientific method and free debate defeat the baseless theories? Isn’t that what modern society is all about?

Raub’s attorney – the head of the non-partisan civil rights law firm The Rutherford Institute – points out that Raub is being indefinitely detained, and says:

For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here.”

What Do Mental Health Professionals Say About Those Who Question 9/11?

Many sociologists and mental health professionals say that those who believe the official version without any questioning are the ones suffering from psychological defense mechanisms.

 

Sociologists say that fear of terrorism has made people blindly accept false justifications for war – including the false claim that Saddam had a hand in 9/11 (when even the 9/11 Commission says he didn’t).

And the following mental health professionals say that questioning the government’s cut-and-dried version of 9/11 is the sane thing to do:

  • Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
  • Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Rutgers University Barry R. Komisaruk
  • Distinguished Professor in the Department of Mental Health Law and Policy, Professor of Medicine in the Department of Internal Medicine and Distinguished Professor of Global Health in the College of Public Health, University of South Florida, Michael D. Knox
  • Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey Laura Schafer
  • Professor Emeritus, Psychology and Neuroscience, Beckman Institute, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Michael Gabriel
  • Former Chief Mental Health Coordinator and Director of Manpower Development and Training, Massachusetts Department of Mental Health, and Lecturer in Psychology, Boston University Herbert Hoffman
  • Professor of Psychology, University of Chicago and Northwestern University Jack Sawyer
  • Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner
  • Professor Emeritus, Psychology, University of Marburg Gert Sommer
  • Professor of Psychology, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Ralph Hood
  • Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Jefferson Medical College. Former Major, U.S. Army Medical Corps, Vietnam Veteran 7 years service, Jon Bjornson, MD
  • Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech

There are many other mental health professionals who agree.

Why Are Some Psychologists So Dogmatic?

Russian psychiatrists famously aided Stalin in applying fake insanity diagnoses to political dissenters.

Similarly, American apologists for the powers-that-be are eager to label anyone “taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, … and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook” as worthy of a trip to the insane asylum. (Those traits may also get one labeled as a potential terrorist.)

But most mental health professionals who assume that those who question 9/11 are crazy are simply victims of the the “Martha Mitchell Effect”:

The process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician mistakes the patient’s perception of real events as delusional and misdiagnoses accordingly.

The authors of a paper on this phenomenon (Bell, V., Halligan, P.W., Ellis, H.D. (2003) Beliefs About Delusions. The Psychologist, 6 (8), 418-422) conclude:

Sometimes, improbable reports are erroneously assumed to be symptoms of mental illness [due to a] failure or inability to verify whether the events have actually taken place, no matter how improbable intuitively they might appear to the busy clinician.

In other words, psychologists who haven’t taken the time to examine for themselves the claims of their patients will tend to label as delusional anything which they “intuitively” feel is improbable.

As such, psychologists and psychiatrists are just as prone to acting out their irrational prejudices as anyone else … unless they take the time to investigate and educate themselves.

Postscript:  We do not condone violence.  Virtually all those who question the government’s version of 9/11 are peaceful, non-violent folks.

 

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Sun, 11/04/2012 - 23:31 | 2947692 watch2x
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Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:48 | 2723462 sumo
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The Claire Swinney piece touches on a UK story, about an anti-terrorist unit which uses psychiatrists and mental health laws to arbitrarily arrest and indefinitely detain targeted individuals:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-457934/Revealed-Blairs-secret-st...

"...The Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) was quietly set up last year to identify individuals who pose a direct threat to VIPs

including the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and the Royal Family. It was given sweeping powers to check more than 10,000 suspects' files

to identify mentally unstable potential killers and stalkers with a fixation against public figures. The team's psychiatrists and psychologists

then have the power to order treatment - including forcibly detaining suspects in secure psychiatric units. Using these powers, the unit can

legally detain people for an indefinite period without trial, criminal charges or even evidence of a crime being committed and with very

limited rights of appeal."

 

Arrest without probable cause, detention without limit .. yeah, no way that kind of absolute power will be misused by the State. This

time is different.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:32 | 2723393 TheDriver
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There are no "former" Marines.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:37 | 2723413 kridkrid
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Part of their conditioning.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:43 | 2723229 shovelhead
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It's getting close folks...

Now they don't even care that you know that the US is going to become Gulagistan.

This kind of shit makes my dormant Viking berserker DNA start to tingle.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:33 | 2723331 sumo
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Heh, I have some, actually a lot, of that VBDNA. Know the feeling.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:16 | 2723155 mberry8870
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What is one plus one. Answer two. NO IT IS NOT. IT IS WHAT THE PARTY SAYS IT IS!!!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:12 | 2723148 Hannibal
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He is now just one more guinea pig for big pharma. The USSA is outdoing Stalin.

Fucking disgusting!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:09 | 2723141 ONO47
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I would like to comment but I'm sure the Feds are monitoring this.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:18 | 2723158 mberry8870
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You are a good little sheep. That is exactly what they want and that is what they are going to get.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:45 | 2723765 ONO47
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You are assuming I'm not commenting elsewhere. Commenting hear is preaching to the choir. Try to be funny and you just kicked in the ass.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:44 | 2724484 mberry8870
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There is absolutely nothing funny about any of this.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:22 | 2724109 Bringin It
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Don't be funny ... preach away.  It's only us listenning.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:33 | 2723194 Doubleguns
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Van Jones, Van Jones. Anyone know what room Van Jones is in. You know the Green Jobs Czar who thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:10 | 2723140 Shizzmoney
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I love when people are confronted about questioning, nevermind stating what they think happened, on 9/11.......the retort is always, "What possible reason would the government and military have for killing its own people?"

Just off of the top of my head.....I can think of 3 trillion reasons.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:20 | 2723349 sumo
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I just point skeptics to Operation Northwoods. Blows people's minds.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:00 | 2723125 Bringin It
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Well there you go.  Police state has arrived.

I fell a lot of sympathy for this guy and his family.

I hope he survives this ordeal.

I hope we all do.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:19 | 2723162 Winston of Oceania
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Suggested reading; The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Buy from an independant used book shop where the beast has no hold. Reading such things is surely cause for an exam is it not? BTW how long before the works in the e-readers are "edited" to suit the State?

"It's not left vs right, it's YOU against the State" Ludwig von Mises www.mises.org

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:34 | 2723394 CH1
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** Redacted **

-Alexander Solzhenitzyn, The Gulag Archipelago

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:40 | 2724750 Winston of Oceania
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You spell it YOUR way and I'll spell it HIS way...

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:38 | 2723089 skippy9
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The American public has been blinded by their economic morass and is so complacent that either they are willing to accept anything that doesn't affect them or they just don't give a shit. Isn't this how all the mass murderers of the twentieth century were able to succeed?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:37 | 2723086 redd_green
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Far, far too many professionals in many scientific fields dispute the Nist and Fema reports for this to  be some crazy conspiracy junk.   The buildings did not collapse the way Nist said they did. The Nist report is garbage, its writers should be in jail for fraud, and their PE licenses revoked.  

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:29 | 2723375 sumo
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NIST is the bees knees when it comes to primary standards and metrology, and I have the highest respect for NIST in that context.

That said, I completely agree with your assessment. The report was pure bullshit. NIST has disgraced - no, soiled - itself.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:31 | 2723076 davood
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This kind of shit happens when the American frog is being boiled alive.

So tell me, what's the real difference between Fascist U.S.A. and Stalinist Russia?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:27 | 2723181 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

So tell me, what's the real difference between Fascist U.S.A. and Stalinist Russia?

The flag?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:51 | 2723259 Ar-Pharazôn
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and like 50 milions dead people?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:31 | 2724139 supermaxedout
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Dont forget to count the near completed genocide of the natives in the US. Ok,  this started under the English but the US continued. This genocide thing was a speciality of the English. Like in Tasmania the huge island next to Australia:

On that strange, sorry island so far away, the antipode of the antipodes, it was said that a race of indigenous people had, within 80 years of the English invasion, disappeared from the face of the earth as surely as the dodo. Glosses on their fate varied, but no doubt was had as to the fate itself. With the death of Trugannini in 1876, the last of the Tasmanians was gone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/oct/14/australia.features11

Not to mention that the English were the first in modern history to build "Concentration Camps" in South Africa during the Boer War.Read this from Wikipedia:

In the third and final phase, beginning in March 1900, the Boers launched a protracted hard-fought guerrilla war against the British forces, lasting a further two years, during which the Boers raided targets such as British troop columns, telegraph sites, railways and storage depots. In an effort to cut off supplies to the raiders, the British, now under the leadership of Lord Kitchener, responded with a scorched earth policy of destroying Boer farms and moving civilians into concentration camps.[11]

Some parts of the British press and British government expected the campaign to be over within months, and the protracted war gradually became less popular, especially after revelations about the conditions in the concentration camps (where 26 thousand women and children died of disease and malnutrition). The Boer forces finally surrendered on Saturday, 31 May 1902, with 54 of the 60 delegates from the Transvaal and Orange Free State voting to accept the terms of the peace treaty.[12] This was known as the Treaty of Vereeniging, and under its provisions, the two republics were absorbed into the British Empire, with the promise of self-government in the future. This promise was fulfilled with the creation of the Union of South Africa in 1910.

The war had a lasting effect on the region and on British domestic politics. For Britain, the Second Boer War was the longest, the most expensive (£200 million), and the bloodiest conflict between 1815 and 1914,[13] lasting three months longer and resulting in higher British casualties than the Crimean War (1853–56).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

These concentration camp thing became quite popular in Europe exactly 20 years later 1933 in Germany.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:15 | 2723335 kridkrid
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Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:28 | 2723071 chubbar
Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:22 | 2723065 New American Re...
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Building number 7.  Put it up on YouTube.   It was wiped out on 9/11 at ground zero.   It didn't fall down by itself, but it did if you believe our government.   Of course, the CIA's black ops was in the top floor with no personnel present.   And a lot of the documents from the Enron investigation were in the building.   A whole lot of paper work got destroyed.   Same result at the Pentagon, along with a lot of incriminating evidence.   And if building number 7 looks like a demolition implosion it's because it is what it is.   And when you add it all up, we've got our government (alias at the time, Dr. Evil Dick Cheney) at the helm at Camp David running the ops, while the brain celled scarred Captian Bush was reading Dr. Seuss to a kindergarten class far, far, away.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 09:14 | 2723332 kridkrid
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Building 7 is all anyone should need in order to know, without a shred of doubt, that the official story of 9/11 is rubbish. Choose any story you want to believe after that, but know that the official story is crap.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:13 | 2723053 francis_sawyer
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One of the best comprehensive lists of factoids involving 9/11 can be found here (it is UPDATED on an on-going basis as new evidence emerges)

~~~

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:21 | 2723094 New World Chaos
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Awesome.  That's now near the top of my "here's your first bottle of red pills" set of links for friends.

Here's another one.  This article is long but it really lays out the financial aspects of it.  9/11 wasn't just about creating an excuse for fascism and war profiteering, it wasn't just about inducing mass Stockholm Syndrome via trauma-based mind control; it was also about covering up epic fraud going back to the Cold War.  In reading this article the essential nature of oligarchy becomes apparent.  The conspiracy is far more vast and byzantine than can be organized by a secret committee of power-mad old men:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9442970/Collateral-Damage-US-Covert-Operations-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-200128062008

P.S. WTF did they do with the 99 passengers and crew who supposedly splattered all over the Pentagon and the faked Shanksville scene?  Unimaginable experiments in group psychology?  Sacrifice?  Both?  99 is an Illuminati number and it's also 9*11.  I'm guessing sacrifice.  For some reason I just got a flash of Davey Jones as Cthulhu when he said "99 soul-sa".

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:54 | 2724236 Cheduba
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Absolutely incredible link.  +10 million.  Kudos to you and Chubbar for posting this.

Just when you think you start to see how deep the rabbit hole goes...

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:58 | 2724453 New World Chaos
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Yeah, I know, freaky shit, but you ain't seen nothing yet.  How did they pull off this system-wide feat of organization?  How did the various institutions mesh with such perfect synchronicity?  Where was the dysfunction which we supposedly see everywhere else?  I think the genius behind 9/11 was the emergent hive mind which the Illuminati call Lucifer.  As for why nobody talked, read these articles on trauma-based mind control.  The creation and programming of split personalities was discovered by occultists but now with MK-Ultra, they have got Satanism down to a science.  The Illuminati program each other.  The "front" personality usually doesn't even know what goes on at night, but just in case, there are whole fucking committees of narcs burned into each skull. 

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

The rabbit hole goes all the way down to Hell.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 06:23 | 2723016 Badabing
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TPTB watch us on face book, fact!!!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 01:46 | 2722900 Azwethinkweiz
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"Inter arma silent leges" was a Latin phrase much heard in the North during the Civil War. It translates roughly as, "during war, the laws are silent."

Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution, restricting powers of Congress, forbids the suspension of habeas corpus except, "when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public safety may require it."

On April 27, 1861, about a week after the Fort Sumter surrender, President Lincoln ordered Winfield Scott, then head of the nation's military, to arrest anyone between Washington and Philadelphia suspected of subversive acts or speech, and his order specifically authorized suspension of the writ of habeas corpus. Scott passed the order down the line, and Southern sympathizers in Maryland were rounded up in batches.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 01:18 | 2722868 AurorusBorealus
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The VA is notorious for slapping the Dx schizophrenia on everyone and anyone who does not behave themselves just so after military duty.  Good luck trying to get this diagnosis off the medical record.  Once he has the Dx schizophrenia, anyone with an MD or DO after their name can "snow" him (Haldol, Seroquel, whatever) at will.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:25 | 2723178 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Of course, there are plenty of veterans with genuine mental health problems who need, and deserve, assistance and treatment. Many are ignored by the VA or, even worse, forced through a maze of endless bureaucracy and conflicting red tape.

Funny how the ones that question the official version of events are prioritized for "treatment".

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:21 | 2723167 TheDriver
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There is significant and growing evidence that schizophrenia is a result of structural abnormalities of dendritic spines on nerve cells. The good news is that this diagnosis is no longer subjective. A patient either does or does not have normal dendritic spines.

Someone diagnosed with a "delusional disorder" on the other hand is pretty much fucked.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 01:25 | 2722861 LetThemEatRand
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The government agency that investigated the collapse was quite sure there were no explosives used.  Anyone who claims that explosives may have been used is likely dangerous and subversive.  

 

"22. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues?

NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel."  http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm.

 

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 01:05 | 2722847 LetThemEatRand
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Has anyone met a sane, rational architect?  Or a non-silly engineer?  Let's all just agree that most of those crazy ass douchenozzles are fucking conspiracy theorists.  http://www.ae911truth.org/en/home.html

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:37 | 2723087 Savyindallas
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Yeah  -anyone who believes that fire from jet engine fuel cannot cause the collapse of steel frame buildings is really f*cking insane. We all saw it happen with our own eyes on TV, so you know it must be true. These scientists are engaging in modern day withccraft. That's why I never bothered to study physics in college-it's just a bunch of voodoo garbage-I feel the same way about chemistry--It was the only C I ever got in my entire life. I always blamed it on the professor. Now I feel totally vindicated. I hope the bastard is rotting in some asylum. If I can find the ahole, I'll tip off Homeland Security so they can get him in their next roundup. 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 00:55 | 2722831 LetThemEatRand
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They found passports of the hijackers in the rubble (where everything else including solid steel was melted), so it must be true.  

"Passport discovery

Rescue workers sifting through the tons of rubble earlier discovered a passport belonging to one of the suspected hijackers a few blocks from where the World Trade Center's twin towers once stood."  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1546927.stm


Tue, 08/21/2012 - 07:57 | 2723117 Savyindallas
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a goddam miracle - the hand of God himself reached in and plucked that passport out of the plane and guided it to safety on the ground. There's no other explanation. There are dozens of other similar type type miracles involved with the 911.

God does not like Muslims. Until we purge the Holy land (and surrounding continents) of religious heresy, modern day angels of Christ like Dick Cheney and George Bush (and Jewish angels lim Michael Chertoff and Doc Zakheim) will continue to be the source of many very strange, improbable and seemingly unexplainable events. Are any of you foolish enough to beleive that our NORAD Defense system is really that incompetent? That was God's doing.  Believe it. Whether you are ready or not - Jesus is coming  --soon.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 05:54 | 2722999 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Conspiracy theorist... The passport must've been laminated!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 05:20 | 2722981 Hobbleknee
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Don't forget, the most heavily guarded fortress on earth, the Pentagon, got hit by a "plane" that defied laws of physics.  And despite hundreds of security cameras, only one managed to catch a glimpse of the incident which left almost no debris.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 08:18 | 2723159 Hannibal
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Plane...what plane? there was no effin plane.

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