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Government Officials Say 9/11 Was State-Sponsored Terrorism … But Disagree About WHICH Nation Was Behind Attacks
In December, an American court entered a default judgment against Iran for allegedly having a hand in the September 11th attacks. 1
On the other hand, a 9/11 Commissioner and the Co-Chair of Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 both say in sworn declarations that the Saudi government is linked to the 9/11 attacks. 2
Then again, right after 9/11, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld accused Iraq of having a hand in the attacks.
People may not remember now, but – at the time – the supposed Saddam-9/11 link was at least as important a justification for the Iraq war as the alleged weapons of mass destruction. 3
Of course, the Afghanistan war was largely based upon the allegation that the leaders of that country – the Taliban – had harbored Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda terrorists. In other words, the U.S. government treated Afghanistan as being complicit in 9/11 by giving refuge to the 9/11 attackers. 4
At a minimum, America unintentionally created an atmosphere in which Al Qaeda terrorists could thrive. But numerous former U.S. military and intelligence officers think that rogue elements within the U.S. government intentionally allowed or facilitated the attacks.
A government official told Fox News:
Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.
Israelis were clearly spying on the 9/11 hijackers within America before 9/11. See this, this, this, this and this.
While many people say that Israel only spied on the hijackers – and didn’t withhold actionable intelligence from the U.S. government – others, including some former military officials (like this guy), allege that Israel withheld information from the U.S. or even had a hand in the attacks, pointing to suspicious activities regarding moving vans and explosives on 9/11. See this, this, this, this and this.
What does this mean? We don’t know for sure which nation or nations backed the 9/11 terror attacks.
But as the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee Bob Graham told PBS Newshour in 2001, 9/11 was state-sponsored terrorism, and it is vital for America’s national security that we get to the bottom of who the backing country was (and whether more than one country was involved):
[Question]: Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can’t?
SEN. BOB GRAHAM: Yes … I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.
I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots.
To me that is an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That would motivate the government to take action.
[Question]: Are you suggesting that you are convinced that there was a state sponsor behind 9/11?
SEN. BOB GRAHAM: I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing — although that was part of it — by a sovereign foreign government and that we have been derelict in our duty to track that down, make the further case, or find the evidence that would indicate that that is not true and we can look for other reasons why the terrorists were able to function so effectively in the United States.
[Question]: Do you think that will ever become public, which countries you’re talking about?
SEN. BOB GRAHAM: It will become public at some point when it’s turned over to the archives, but that’s 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this information now because it’s relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today.
Notes:
1 The 9/11 Commission Report states:
We have found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack.
The same lawsuit had previously named Iraq as a culprit, but dismissed Iraq when it became obvious there was no connection (see note 3).
A default judgment – such as the one against Iran – means that the defendant doesn’t appear in court, and so does not present a defense or contrary evidence. The judge instead often accepts virtually whatever the plaintiff claims, without examining or considering any contrary evidence.
2 The 9/11 Commissioner and the Co-Chair of Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 who say that Saudi Arabia is behind the 9/11 attacks are calling for either a “permanent 9/11 commission” or a new 9/11 investigation to get to the bottom of it.
3 This claim that Iraq is linked to 9/11 has since been debunked by the 9/11 Commission, top government officials, and even – long after they alleged such a link – Bush and Cheney themselves.
4 The Taliban allegedly offered to hand over Bin Laden to the U.S., but the U.S. refused the offer, and started bombing instead.
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"How ridiculous it is to assume one could cripple the top portion and perfectly time the implosion of the base?"
What are you babbling about? The structure was still intact after the impact, including the top portion. The collapse didn't begin for some time afterwards.
The charges can be timed, even at the last minute, in any way that's needed.
"Do you have any clue the real physics and timing involved?"
Yes, actually. What specifically has you confused?
What are your credentials in this matter there billy? Grim says he wants to know.
Two towers, hit differently. Various charges are specific key locations controlled independantly or as groups depending on the circumstances. Collapse behavior quickly modeled and variables adjusted for detonation of the specific explosives to accomplish something that would leave the people say "golly - that just didn't look natural."
Come on man. Get with the "who" and not the "how".
You are really working overtime on this topic. 22 posts and counting. I thought you were leaving? Or was that just bullshit like the rest of your hand-waving spam posts? I have all the credentials I need to deal with you. What are your credentials?
Demolition technology is precise down to the sub-second, and the demolition itself is automated through software. There was more than enough time between impact and collapse to reconfigure the software to change the order that the floors were blown in if that's what was needed. Besides, the flight control technology being rolled out at the time is accurate to within inches. You'll have to find something else to hang your hat on. Sorry.
Precisely.
I knew better than to jump in here.
But, I admit. I was bored. The devil made me do it.
I know. Shame on me. Playing with the moonbats. My mom warned me too.
Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
//www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/http:
Ignorance is Strength!
more homework
might work for pancakes but not steel columns
Yeah - that page is pretty light on info regarding the cause of the disintigration of both building's cores. . .
There was alot of structure in those cores for sure. The weak point is usually the connections, not the members themselves though. That much kinetic energy can rip apart bolted connections like they were not there.
OK - so in a "pancake" scenario, why weren't we left with the core standing as the floors sheared and collapsed around it?
The core is not like a pogo stick - otherwise, a series of detonations would be required all the way down. Rather, it is a series of parts that are connected. If the connections fail, the core is gone. The real issue is the kinetic energy which is orders of magnitude larger than the ultimate capacity of the sections or the connections which are designed mostly for static loading. If you note during the collapse there was an initial "leaning" of the towers. This was the marginal resistance offered by the structure as the collapse started. Think of this as the same trick karate experts use to break a whole stack of bricks.
Centerline that's HOGWASH> The cores had steel reinforced concrete--100 floors of it going straight up--47 vertical steel supports of very thick, ushaped, high quality steel.
Why are you spewing this shit here?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html
Why did people have to SUE to get the blueprints anyway?
See what over 1,000 architects and engineers say:
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Firefighters are speaking out:
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
Pilots are speaking out:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
To support the official story is to either be ignorant of the obvious truth or to be a TRAITOR.
People, it's past time to be highly suspicious of anyone who denies 911 truth. No progress can be made toward helping our country out of this mess until we recognize 911 truth en masse.
in the history of all steel and concrete high
rises only three, in the entire history in the
entire world have collapsed due to fire.
all three on 9/11 in new york city. there is no
usual failure of connections. there is no usual
failure where the structure implodes into it's
own footprint. especially where the claim is publicly
made and the evil clown investigation concludes
it was fire that caused it, uniquely, and the actual
lease holder states, on freak' t.v., that the decision
was made to pull the building(wtc7), a statement that is
either ignored or disregarded as misinterpretation.
on the street, on record, the street was being cleared
due to imminent demolition as the wtc7 came down.
there was anticipation and foreknowledge at street
level. it is on video.
the truth is obvious, the buildings were imploded
with explosives at least partially, in the middle
of the morning on a work day with people inside
and it is a mass murder scene and was planned in advance
and accomplished by people with access for a considerable
time prior to 9/11/2001. there was no engineering flaw
or architectural failure due to fire. there is a flaw
in the criminal character of the perpetrators of the crime for political and financial gain.
.
there are those who just don't care, fine.
those that lie to conceal the truth, guilty.
those that will never see or know much of anything, fine.
and those that know there is a very large problem here.
in the last group there are those who believe killing and stealing and lying are essential and those who can't
accept that. kind of an old story in that respect....
there another clue...
Fire isn't the issue. Extent of massive localized structural damage relative to a particular design combined with aspects of fire is the case. Stupid post. Try an original post idiot. Fail.
you make no sense and a massive amount of evidence (and experts) disagree
you are confused and wrong about this and you know it.
peace
God knows what happened that day, but it's pretty clear that the government story is a steaming pile of horseshit. Look at who benefits and that provides the clue for why things happen.
Thanks Charlie. Trying hard to kick these idiots in the ass to get focused where it matters. The offical storyline is crap. I think we all agree on that.
The buildings collapsed toward the point of most resistance at the speed of free fall. The part above where the plane crashed into it disintegrated on the way down. If this building were going to fall due to the plane hitting it, the area of the building above where the plane hit would have eventually broke off and fell in a sideways manner.
The building fell toward the path of MOST resistance. It was and is plain as day for the whole world to see. Naturally falling toward the path of MOST resistance is virtually physically impossible. (That actually means impossible)
Building seven fell symetrically all by itself. Can you believe that too? Wow man...
I won't waste any more time on this thread because you numnuts can't be talked to. You fucknuts know nothing of structural engineering or physics. You see what you want to see. That is sad. How many other things are you distracted by, or miss, out of your own ego or misguided sense of "whatever it is " that drives you in this fucked up world? Have you learned nothing from what this site has to offer?
The fact is this... the towers collapsed in a manner consistent with physical behavior. The motives and culprits however, are yet to be really identified. I suspect the rabbit hole is quite deep. Focus on that idiots and maybe we get somewhere.
Ohhh... look at the monkey.... ha ha. dumbasses.
Psychological projection ... 'centerline'!
You are subconsciously denying your own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which you then ascribed to other ZH bloggers.
Projection involves imagining and projecting the belief that others originate your feelings.
You blame others for self failure.
Your mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping your feelings unconscious, and by redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or "projecting," those same faults onto other people.
. . . and WTC 7?
Nevermind - I see they have an explaination page for that too. . .
Maybe it can tell us how collapse can disintegrate steel into dust, throw it laterally hundreds of yards, make it sound like explosions in the basement, weaken steel with temperatures well beyond jet fuel burning rates, make it glow in the debris for a month, and make the government immediately remove all of the steel evidence of the biggest terrorist hijack action in US history?
On 9/11, I was working as admin. asst. for a group of senior civil engineers. As we watched the first tower collapse, our regional manager's first words were, "Oh, my God. They wired the building, too!" Every C.E. that day in our office said the same thing.
If we want to see prosecutions over the global financial mess we are now facing, we first have to get the full truth about 9/11. Some of the same elements, I'm convinced, backed that horrible event financially.
Civil engineers are not structural engineers in most cases. Sorry. But thier work is usually below the ground instead of above.
True, but C.E.'s definitely have to have expert knowledge of the structures that are built OVER that foundation; they work with structural consultants almost daily.
No. Actually they have at best working knowledge, not expert. Sorry. Structural is a field of it's own. Civil not qualified 99% of the time for large/complex structures. Why else do you think SE is fracturing off from PE?
Really, I'm open to believing anything, but it looks like the top part of the tall towers gave way after supporting perimeter columns finally snapped, which would lead the whole top to crash on the bottom with a lot of force. The towers didn't fall at freefall speed, but somewhat slower, showing there was some resistance as the floors pancaked. There was no sound of explosives or evidence of explosions before the actual collapse. Some of the bottom of the core was still standing after the collapse and the rest might have toppled this way or that. Contrary to what I thought before the towers did not really collapse in their own footprint, the perimeter walls fell away a good distance. And that was what put a giant hole in WTC7, which also eventually collapsed.
But who knows, it's all stranger than fiction, and you don't need to convince me that our leaders are evil and capable of just about anything.
My most junks on ZH! I had a feeling this would be the one ...
The speed was VERY close to freefall with NO SLOWING for impacts if pancakes were there--there would be EXPONENTIAL slowing, and the central cores would still be standing, with the whole thing looking like a wilted flower. Research the central cores. Can you tell me anything about them?
The top of one of the towers was tilting and then disintegrated. How does that happen?
TONS of eyewitnesses--like the firemen whose testimonies were hidden until a FOIA battle--saw, heard, and felt EXPLOSIONS, dude. There is plenty of video evidence of this--TONS. WTF??????????????
Last time this subject came up, a post that contained nothing more than a simple physics equation got junked. ZH crowd really get thier panties in a wad over the mechanics of the collapse.
The real question of "who" not "how" is what I care about. Regarding our government covering up stuff - intentionally or because of incompetance - nothing surprises me anymore.
Plus one.
I maintain it was mostly incompetence.
Incompetence... thy name is nmewn!
I make a point of remembering these 911 truth deniers who populate this site. Many of them are frequent posters.
"Really, I'm open to believing anything"
That's the fucking problem.
yeah --like I believe the "arabs" super pilots flew the big ass planes into the exact point on the buildings --- its so evident that the planes flew down a homeing signal to the points of impact-- there were no live bodies in those planes to fly them--- the plane hyjack went wrong in the plane that crashed in Pen-- no pilots alive to fly it and homeing signal was lost---- thats the one that was headed to #7----whata ya bet--
Munch munch munch...these are always fun popcorn eating threads...lol.
You go to hollywood movies, eat your popcorn and believe everything you see.
"There was no sound of explosives or evidence of explosions before the actual collapse."
You are a fucking LIAR !!!
Firemen Explosion Testimonyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=player_embedded#!
9/11 - WTC 7 Explosionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvrKfWkxdw
Secretary of State Clinton admitting we created al-qaeda (mujahideen) 20 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifZK6SVlQ1Y
Very entertaining, regardless of whatever your view of 11 Sep 2001
Great rap tune, with lyrics on the screen
Mos Def and Eminem, 'Tell the Truth'
'... Every day, man, it's like these motherf*ckers is just like professional liars ...
Bin Laden didn't blow up the Projects ... Bush Knocked Down the Towers ... '
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kjL2KKil20
Luv that rap - "Professional Liars = professional politicians"
Immortal Technique is BOSS! Just like GW posts
one need not even mention Rumsfeld coming out JUST BEFORE 911 and saying the Pentagon cant find some $2.3 Trillion - or the fact that all data and work on the subject was in precisely that wing of the pentagon hit by the "plane" on 911 that hit the exact wing previously retrofitted and named "the catcher's mitt"
but here is Payday Monsanto's little tune on the subject
Payday Monsanto - Under Control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msh0hFATqkU
He said interesting stuff before and interesting stuff after - like " I want you to find out how we can connect this to Iraq"
and the Pennsylvania plane was "shot down"
and a "missle" hit the Pentagon
the tell tale fart
and lets not forget Rumsfeld's true employer, Israel... plenty of evidence of israeli involvement:
http://youtu.be/L9EDkwWwz4U
2.3T in physical cash diogeneslaertius?
Come on Resurger, look it up. I remember watching it on TV the night before. Plenty of info on it wherever you look. 2.3 Trillion. Chump change, right? Right.
I'll reply.
2.3 TRillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 911 2001 Rumsfeld LIES - YouTube - http://youtu.be/_rRqeJcuK-A
Israel is the biggest piece of fucking shit country on the planet.
He walked briskly to the head of the table while the other two sat at the back of the room. "My name is Aharon Sherf," he said. "I am the head of the Academy. Welcome to the Mossad. Its full name is Ha Mossad, le Modiyn ve le Tafkidim Mayuhadim [the Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations]. Our motto is: 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war.'
CONFESSIONS OF AN EX-MOSSAD AGENT
Excerpt from Victor Ostrovsky's, "By way of deception"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/deception.html
Defamation: True Stories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOUlJLrQ3sQ
They are sorely in need of a regime change like the one Iraq got but didn't deserve.