Preface: If you believe that the government always tells the truth, you have gotten lost in a bad neighborhood, and you should turn around and get back on the freeway as quickly as possible.
If you believe that politics, war and terrorism do not greatly affect your lifestyle, your investment portfolio and the economy, you are sadly mistaken. See this, this, this, this and this.
If, on the other hand, you believe that 9/11 was an inside job, then please point out any inaccuracies, shortcoming or erroneous conclusions contained within the post. Please don’t just label it as being a “limited hang-out” propaganda sell-out hit piece … instead, if you believe it is wrong, please link to actual evidence which disproves what I am saying, or which adds pieces of information which you think are missing. Maybe I’ll agree with you, maybe I won’t. But I will consider every comment.
People who state that 9/11 was an inside job are claiming that it is a false flag operation which killed people, was used to justify wars in Iraq and elsewhere and a power grab in the U.S.
But World Trade Center building 7 – the third building to collapse on September 11th – has nothing to do with any inside job:
- No one died as a result of the collapse
- No airplane hit the building, and so it was not directly involved in the terrorist attack
- No wars were launched to avenge WTC7
- No power grabs or loss of civil liberties ensued because of the collapse of this building
- Unlike the rest of 9/11, the government has been very quiet about its destruction
As such, the collapse of the building – also known as the “Solomon Brothers Building” – was not an inside job.
Of course, the building might have been demolished to save lives. For example, Paul K. Trousdale – a structural engineer with decades of experience – says:
I had always thought the 3rd building was destroyed to prevent unpredictable collapse.
(some point to the World Trade Center owner's statement about the decision to "pull" the building as confirming Trousdale's theory).
So why am I wasting your valuable time in discussing this?
Because the government – as part of its political cover-up of negligence before and on 9/11 – pretended that the building collapsed due to “natural causes”. This should not be entirely surprising … we know that government personnel sometimes misspeak about things like the economy or Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, and they may also have made some minor errors peripherally related to 9/11:
- The EPA misspoke about the dangers to heroic first responders from toxic chemicals at Ground Zero
- Government officials misspoke about 9/11 being wholly unforeseeable … including pretending that Al Qaeda’s plans to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon were a complete surprise
- Top government personnel misspoke about Iraq’s role in 9/11
Again, this post has nothing to do with “9/11 inside job”: no one died when building 7 collapsed.
What Do the Experts Say?
What does the evidence show about the Solomon Brothers Building in Manhattan?
Numerous structural engineers – the people who know the most about office building vulnerabilities and accidents – say that the official explanation of why building 7 at the World Trade Center collapsed on 9/11 is “impossible”, “defies common logic” and “violates the law of physics”:
- Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
- John D. Pryor, with more than 30 years experience:
The collapse of WTC7 looks like it may have been the result of a controlled demolition. This should have been looked into as part of the original investigation
- Robert F. Marceau, with over 30 years of structural engineering experience:
From videos of the collapse of building 7, the penthouse drops first prior to the collapse, and it can be noted that windows, in a vertical line, near the location of first interior column line are blown out, and reveal smoke from those explosions. This occurs in a vertical line in symmetrical fashion an equal distance in toward the center of the building from each end. When compared to controlled demolitions, one can see the similarities
- Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley and 30 years of engineering experience, says:
Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition
- Steven L. Faseler, structural engineer with over 20 years of experience in the design and construction industry:
World Trade Center 7 appears to be a controlled demolition. Buildings do not suddenly fall straight down by accident
- Alfred Lee Lopez, with 48 years of experience in all types of buildings:
I agree the fire did not cause the collapse of the three buildings [please ignore any reference in this essay to the Twin Towers. This essay focuses solely on Building 7]. The most realistic cause of the collapse is that the buildings were imploded
- Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, writes:
Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day [i.e. on September 11th]? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust
- Graham John Inman points out:
WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?
- Paul W. Mason notes:
In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation
- David Scott says:
Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . .
- Nathan Lomba states:
How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective.
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Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn’t get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.
Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the structure in the vicinity … started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a concentric, vertical collapse.
For this reason alone, I rejected the official explanation for the collapse ….
- Edward E. Knesl writes:
We design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.
The engineering science and the law of physics simply doesn’t know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse. Where would such energy would be coming from?
- Antonio Artha,with 15+ years of experience in building design
Fire and impact were insignificant in all three buildings [Again, please ignore any reference to the Twin Towers ... this essay focuses solely on WTC7]. Impossible for the three to collapse at free-fall speed. Laws of physics were not suspended on 9/11, unless proven otherwise
The symmetrical “collapse” due to asymmetrical damage is at odds with the principles of structural mechanics
It is virtually impossible for WTC building 7 to collapse as it did with the influence of sporadic fires. This collapse HAD to be planned
- Travis McCoy, M.S. in structural engineering
- James Milton Bruner, Major, U.S. Air Force, instructor and assistant professor in the Deptartment of Engineering Mechanics & Materials, USAF Academy, and a technical writer and editor, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
It is very suspicious that fire brought down Building 7 yet the Madrid hotel fire was still standing after 24 hours of fire. This is very suspicious to me because I design buildings for a living
- David Anthony Dorau, practicing structural engineer with 18 years’ experience in the inspection and design of buildings under 5 stories tall, who worked as a policy analyst for the Office of Technology Assessment, an arm of the U.S. Congress providing independent research and reports on technological matters
- Russell T. Connors, designed many buildings and other types of structures
- Lester Jay Germanio, 20+ years experience
- Daniel Metz, 26+ years experience
- Jonathan Smolens, 11 years experience, with a specialty in forensic engineering
- William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
The above is just a sample. Many other structural engineers have questioned the collapse of Building 7, as have numerous top experts in other relevant disciplines, including:
- A demolition loader for the world’s top demolition company (which is based in the United States), Tom Sullivan
- The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that Building 7 collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere)
- Harry G. Robinson, III – Professor and Dean Emeritus, School of Architecture and Design, Howard University. Past President of two major national architectural organizations – National Architectural Accrediting Board, 1996, and National Council of Architectural Registration Boards, 1992. In 2003 he was awarded the highest honor bestowed by the Washington Chapter of the American Institute of Architects, the Centennial Medal. In 2004 he was awarded the District of Columbia Council of Engineering and Architecture Societies Architect of the Year award. Principal, TRG Consulting Global / Architecture, Urban Design, Planning, Project Strategies. Veteran U.S. Army, awarded the Bronze Star for bravery and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam – says:
The collapse was too symmetrical to have been eccentrically generated. The destruction was symmetrically initiated to cause the buildings to implode as they did
- A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why Building 7 collapsed “does not match the available facts” and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
Watch this short video on Building 7 by Architects and Engineers (ignore any reference to the Twin Towers, deaths on 9/11, or any other topics other than WTC7):
Fish In a Barrel
Poking holes in the government’s spin on Building 7 is so easy that it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
As just one example, the spokesman for the government agency which says that the building collapsed due to fire said there was no molten metal at ground zero:
The facts are a wee bit different:
- The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks (page 3)
- A structural engineer who worked for the Trade Center’s original designer saw “streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.” (pages 31-32)
- An engineer stated in the September 3, 2002 issue of The Structural Engineer, “They showed us many fascinating slides ranging from molten metal, which was still red hot weeks after the event.”
- New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.”
- A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a “foundry” or like “lava”.
- A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminded him of a volcano.
- An employee of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed “Fires burn[ing and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.”
- The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”
- According to a worker involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at ground zero, “Underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6.”
- A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero “descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams.“
- According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.”
- A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said “in mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire–which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December.”
- A fireman stated that there were “oven” like conditions at the trade centers six weeks after 9/11.
- Firemen and hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, “There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red” and “the blaze is so ‘far beyond a normal fire’ that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires.” (pay-per-view)
- A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said “for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal – everything from molten steel beams to human remains….”
- New York mayor Rudy Giuliani said “They were standing on top of a cauldron. They were standing on top of fires 2,000 degrees that raged for a hundred days.”
- As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”
- A rescue worker “crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam“
- And see witness statements at the beginning of this video
- Indeed, not only was structural steel somehow melted on 9/11, but it was evaporated. As the New York Times reports, an expert stated about World Trade Center building 7:
A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures.
(pay-per-view). Evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them
Please remember that firefighters sprayed millions of gallons of water on the fires, and also applied high-tech fire retardants. Specifically, 4 million gallons of water were dropped on Ground Zero within the first 10 days after September 11, according to the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories:
Approximately three million gallons of water were hosed on site in the fire-fighting efforts, and 1 million gallons fell as rainwater, between 9/11 and 9/21 ….
The spraying continued for months afterward (the 10 day period was simply the timeframe in which the DOE was sampling). Enormous amounts of water were hosed on Ground Zero continuously, day and night:
“Firetrucks [sprayed] a nearly constant jet of water on [ground zero]. You couldn’t even begin to imagine how much water was pumped in there,” said Tom Manley of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, the largest fire department union. “It was like you were creating a giant lake.”
This photograph may capture a sense of how wet the ground became due to the constant spraying:
The fact that there were raging fires and molten metal even after the application of massive quantities of water and fire retardants shows how silly the government spokesman’s claim is.
Again, this has nothing to do with “inside job” … no one was killed in the collapse of Building 7, no wars were launched based on a rallying cry of “remember the Solomon Brothers building”, and no civil liberties were lost based on a claim that we have to prevent future WTC7 tragedies.
It is merely meant to show that government folks sometimes lie … even about issues tangentially related to 9/11.
surely 19 Arabs on a shoe string budget would
have little difficulty out witting the security
apparatus of the airline industry, the pentagon,
the defense department and the rest as the latter
all have a "government" affiliation and the Arabs
are free and unrestrained by the idiocy and incompetence
that comes with all government assignment, even if that
is one of intelligence or security in either an
overt title or covert, shadow, capacity, or both.
while these people are either too well paid,
patriotic, or incompetent to bring about a 9/11
scenario the 19 Arabs pulled it off flawlessly
even to the point of creating suspicion on the
security forces themselves, and the investigation
efforts, and some of them apparently didn't even
die and live on? these were not mortal Arabs my friend,
surely they had no government affiliation or they would
not have performed to their evil ends so effectively.
yet we attacked two countries anyway, more incompetence
on the part of government.
.
so putting aside for a moment our bias ask the question,
" who had the means and the motive to accomplish the
events of 911 in all of it's many affects and locations?"
" who did or stood to benefit "?
.
there ya go. someone/s had the capacity and the expertise to bring it all together and then make sure
that the people of America, Iraq and Afghanistan pay
the price, think about that for little while?
"Im not raggin on ya, generally I agree with your posts, just voicing my opinion."
I understand your points.
But for recent examples, can anyone, anywhere take anything Maxine Waters, Bwaney Fwank, Nana Pelosi, Mitch McConnel, Fred Upton, Charles Schumer (maybe not Schumer, he's genuinely corrupt) Harry Reid etc say seriously?...they're all complete idiots.
And who gives thoughtful, considered fiscal advice and counsel to these elected brainiacs?...Larry Summers, Christina Romer, Jared Bernstein & Timmy Gethner? Geithner can't even handle Turbo Tax and he's over the IRS...stellar decision!!!
I think I can officially rest my case, that place up there is packed to the rafters with imbeciles and no one can convince me otherwise.
And I'm not raggin on you either, its just the way I see it...far too much emphasis is put on someones good intentions, popularity or "credentials" and not enough on their actual real life results.
Those that you list are merely entertainment for the masses. They perform distractions for the masses (which, judging by your fixation on them, I'd say seems to work).
Listen: THE ENTIRE FUCKING PREMISE IS W_R_O_N_G/F_A_U_L_T_Y! Our basis is quicksand and you blame the idiots playing in this sandbox for us falling deeper and deeper, as though THEY really have any control over what is no more than a runaway train?
Sorry, but you've got a wager going on for displacing one pile of shit with another. You're lobbying for the free reign of "private" enterprise to wash all the troubles away. I have no problems with people who want to push for private take-over, but at least recognize that it too still leads to the cliff. I've resigned that we're fucked because people can't fucking get it that growth is the enemy, so, really, it matters very little on what runaway train we end up riding on. Just sad that people who pretend to be intelligent are incapable of understanding what is otherwise pretty simple... it pretty much proves the point that we're no smarter than yeast.
I suggest your examples of incompetance are there to herd the sheep. We all believe (correctly) that they are buffoons, but they are not the cause of anything except diversion of our attention from the real culprits, the people that arranged for them to be in their positions (that's not the ignorant voters, btw). They are incompetent thieving politicians, of course, but they have no real authority, only perceived authority.
It's a very old trick. its not to say there are many incompetents in the public sector but the ones running the show are altogether something else
Can anyone seriously think they are competent enough to pull this off when they are completely incompetent in overseeing the simple stewardship of our economy? We constantly ascribe more intelligence to pandering fools (politicians) the actual idiots who place others in positions of responsibility than they deserve.
So based on the premise you posit is it not conceivable that they lacked the competence to prevent a cabal of highly motivated and organized criminals with an agenda for destruction and tyranny to penetrate their languid lazy idiotic environment and wreak havoc unmolested?
And please, no irrelevant UFO straw men to skew and conflate the rationale.
Addendum: The phrase "incompetent in overseeing the simple stewardship of our economy" highlights American history ca. 1913 which allowed the private banking cartel called The Federal Reserve to establish and flourish in the US despite the opposition and lack of consent of the American populace.
This fact should be a proof-positive precedent enough for such an incompetency in 'Government' argument that would allow planned, stealth, criminal, infiltration by organized foreign criminal gangs go unchecked and flourish destroying the liberty and freedoms of the average person.
There is precedent after all...others too numerous to mention I'm afraid...but none, until 9/11 greater than this....
If say there were a cool trillion 'banke's in gold bars going-begging in an unguarded safe, you'd probably suddenly get real focused and real competent at a whole range of skills.
One more time: With hindsight, one can solve all sorts of problems.
I have a fencepost of solid wood with a piece of straw stuck straight through it. I claim that the wind drove that straw through the solid wood without breaking the straw. I am met with all kinds of scientific proof for why my claim cannot be true. Yet it is. Only when one has been through a tornado themselves can one begin to understand the truth of my claim.
Events often have causes that defy all common sense. In spite of our clamour that all causes must make sense.
Our primal fear of the unknown, our incessant desire to answer the question why, drives us to uncover causes that we can understand for everything. But just because we've identified a cause we can comprehend doesn't mean that we've actually identified the correct cause.
Just because we think we know why/how 9-11 happened doesn't mean that is the real reason.
What you're doing is assuming that they are not doing exactly what they intend to do with the economy. From there you are assuming that the "Elected Official's" are actually in charge of anything that goes on...
Believe me, I'm under no illusions of what the influences are regarding the economy...its quite apparent. The Fed (and all central banks as we know them today) are a national socialist hold over from the last century...only on a grander scale.
With that "device" in place, again, not just here, all sorts of social experimentation can take place regarding societies across the globe. They've never given it up and never will until forced to...its control and power...period. Religion, culture, people, individualality mean nothing to the looters within their ranks.
I've come to grips with it...everyone else should too.
You make this all sound as though it's abnormal...
You can focus on all the hobgobblins (non-religious elements [or those not of YOUR religion], "socialists" etc) all you want, but unless you can account for the following you have no "solution:"
1) Power corrupts;
2) Perpetual growth is NOT possible on a finite planet.
Exactly.
Looters, not incompetents.
in the last analysis:
in such matters perhaps - any kind of talk is better than silence
Go to frame 6:31, WTC 7 is over the reporters left shoulder, now look down at the news ticker on the bottom of the screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI
Captioned version for idiots. Read frame 1:55.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0qdLoobkUI&feature=fvwrel
Pentagon 757 punch out hole.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/punchout.html
MAIN PLAYERS
Marvin Bush, GW Bush, Unocal 76 oil, Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Blackwater, Venice Florida flight school has ties to the CIA for pilot training reference: Mohamed Atta, Karl Rove, Buzzy Kronguard, Wert D Walker III,
SECONDARY PLAYERS
CIA, FBI, DOJ, Secret Service, Saudi Prince Bandar, Taliban, Mohamed Atta, Rudy Jullianni, Larry Silverstein, Osama Bin Laden, Mesoui, Berruz, Mohamed Ahmed of Pakistan ISI agent “American CIA link”, Richard Armadage, Prince Ahmed/Saudi Royal family member, Gen. Myers, John O’Neil, Laura Brown FAA,
THE SPINNERS
Zellikow, C.Rice, Collin Powell, G Tenet, Ashcroft, FEMA, American Media ie Fox news, 911 Commission, All Mainstream media. BBC.
UNWILLING PLAYERS
Max Cleland, Ari Flicher, NORAD’s Gen. Everhart, Henry Soutin, Norman Mineta, Richard Clark? FAA, Jim Ritter of the NTSB, All main stream media, Terry Morin.
PEOPLE IN THE KNOW
Ashcroft, Willy Brown, C. Rice, Rudy Guiliani, All “Put Option” Participants, All Hijack personnel, Mohamed Atta, Osama Bin Laden, Unger, Posner, 911 Commission, VP Dick Cheney. Terry Morin.
THE WHISTLE BLOWERS
Craig Unger, Coleen Rowley, Sibel Edmunds, Anthony Schaffer, FBI Agent Robert Wright, John Farmer New Jersey atty gen, Susan Lindauer.
:THE PENTAGON INCEDENT:
NOTEABLE PROBLEMS WITH FLIGHT 77 ACCOUNTS
Flight 77 was an American Airline unscheduled flight out of Washington Dulles to San Francisco with 64 souls on board according to the FBI. There were no witnesses to see anyone boarding the 77 flight at its gate. This tail number N644aa on the official FAA registry log still existed until 1-14-02 for some reason and wasn’t retired from the AA flight inventory logs right away like the other flight’s destroyed were almost immediately. Update, Tail number N644aa aka Flight 77, as of 10-07 will finally be purged from AA records and is now considered destroyed. No tail number for flight 77 was recorded as “wheels up” by the BTS on the morning of 9/11 for obvious reasons, the plane never took off.
According to the 9/11 Commission report.. Upon final approach to the Pentagon at app. 09:40 on September 11, of 2001, Flight 77 broke five 40’X 5” diameter light poles at there base mounting ears in route to the Pentagon’s west side seconds before impact. Their base mounting ears were broken as illustrated in the lower picture.
I believe the force of wing impact would have bent and de-capped the pole tops due to a high speed low altitude approach of 500 MPH, but I didn’t find a picture to support my theory. This picture has what seems to be a port side Navigation light laying in the street.
Lloyd England, a DC Taxi cab driver had pole #1 lance the windshield of his cab after it was hit by Flight 77, but there was no damage to the hood of the car or anywhere else to support his claim whatsoever. He was later interviewed and mentioned that he hopes Mousaoui gets a life term for what he did. The light pole was broke at base, but has no impact bents on it as if an airplane wing hit it.
Cpl Ingersoll USMC wasn’t even there when Lloyd England’s taxi cabwas hit by a light pole when it happened, but seemed to have a full account on scene what happened and gives his recount to the media of what happened to Lloyd’s cab with the pole @1. note: Gov tag.
Cpl Ingersoll on scene well after the cab was hit by the magic light pole.
Note the drag marks on the asphalt from the pole base being dragged towards the curb in the above picture. Did the cab come to a dead stop when the pole went through his windshield? That’s the only way this scene can work out, Pole should be way behind Lloyd’s cab, not next to it, Lloyd shouldn’t be parked where he is, there are no marks on the vehicle body or paint of this pole hitting his windshield, there are marks on the ground of it being moved though. Structurally, there is no wing damage to the pole.
No Cpl Ingersoll right after crash.
The Boeing 747 “nose cone” radar avionics housing is app 6’ from its center point to the lowest point of both wing mounted engines. This means that in order for Flight 77 to hit the first floor of the west wing at “ground level flight” before impact, it would have drug both motors in the front lawn leaving trenches of at least 3 feet deep and hundreds of feet long (N644AA’s FDR recorded non level flight 1 second before impact) or until engine mount/wing failure which would have happened.
Boeing designed the wing engine mounts on the 747 to purposely shear off at high speed impacts as a safety measure to save additional damage to the air frame or wing structure in flight or other.
This safety function would have left both or at least one engine on the front lawn via bouncing off the fortified wall in route to the west wall impact area, there would have been impact damage as high as the second floor according to Boeing’s 747’s fuselage diameter.
If the level flight theory that’s supposedly backed up with official Pentagon video footage, then it would have belly slid into the west wall and would have drug both motors and fuselage across the lawn and gouge-s would be blatantly visible. 3 probable, 2 possible and 1 definite *if this scenario played out as described in the 9/11 Commission Report but this wasn’t the case. If it was an angle of attack high speed decent fly in, 77 may not have even hit the building’s first floor dead on or cut a perfect path straight through the building unless it was guided expertly or locked on.
The low slung wing mounted RR jet engines would have still hit the front lawn right before the first floor impact area of the west wing, additionally, the tail/rudder due to high G force impact at that trajectory angle mentioned would have been torn off the rear fuselage and thrown over the roof into the center ring or further. Flight 77’s supposed entry/exit holes into the Pentagon’s west wall was a 12’2” high hole punched in from a ground level entry according to NIST. My measurements came out to 8’6” in diameter. A Boeing 757 fuselage is 12’4”. If you look closer at the exit hole, you will find more problems with this NIST official report.
124 feet 10 inch wing span. 44 feet 6 inch height. 155 feet 3 inch length. Fuselage width is 12 feet 4 inches so you do the math.
(NIST’s “official account of Pentagons 757 punch out damage)
(Actual punch out size of 8’6”)
(1) This “No Parking” does not reflect the NIST / FBI investigation measurements. Keep in mind, signs like this one are standard DOT sized to be 14” tall by 8” wide so I did my own measurements and came up with a realistic 8’6” using two points of reference, the DOT regulation “No Parking” sign size, and brick height of 2” each plus allowing for sandwiched mortar height equals roughly with the estimate that I came up with.
(2) There are no additional impact strike marks on the wall around this fuselage opening. The wings are 124’ wide and the rudder upright is 40’+ but made no impressions in the brick face from “impact” anywhere and is absent of any additional collision marks.
(3) These pictures above are of the west wall impact hole at the Pentagon and were taken just before the second “big” fire.
Depicted below are animation pictures of how the Pentagon was attacked according to the 911 Commission / NIST annimation.
At low altitude, high speed approach of 500 + mph at level flight inches off the Pentagon lawn, (according to the Pentagon security camera) I believe there would have been foreign part ingestion of loose cable spindles and miscellaneous contractor equipment that was on the west lawn that morning prior to the attack. These items would have moved in route towards the impact site and sucked into the engines, but this doesn’t seem to be the story. If this happened (which it should have) it would have also shot engine parts backwards all over the lawn due to foreign object (FOD) ingestion of the intake side, basically exploding an or both engine-s before impact.
Pentagon impact area pre-collapse:
I found a released photo of the Pentagon taken minuets after the “crash”. Support columns are still in tact and no 757 to be found or even horizontal wing damage for that matter.
Last FDR recording of 77’s elevation
Another interesting fact is that the supposed flight recorder info from Flight 77 that was reviewed by the NTSB tail number N644AA just before the “impact” FDR recorded that it was at 280 feet 3.00 seconds out and as low as 180 feet 1 second before impact,
An eyewitness account from Pentagon police officer Sgt. Lagasse stated that all of the window shades were down on the plane. He was at the Citgo gas station across RT 395 from the Pentagon’s west wall that morning and claims the plane was about 100-150 AGL on the Northern side approach of the CITGO seconds before “impact”. The “found” flight recorder found placed it at 273’ AGL one second before “impact” this fact is not concurrent with officer Lagasse’s eyewitness account.
The NTSB is not available for any information pertaining to any Flight 77 data and stated “it’s not their investigation anymore” but they have all the data, you must go through FOIA as we did to obtain your documents and wait years for it.
Airforce Captain statement:
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force
Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...
It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile."
West wall view of Pentagon from the NEX parking lot, former Citgo station.
Synopsis:
Statement accounts from 4 eyewitnesses of the more northern approach route along with 2 Pentagon police officers could not confirm Lagasse’s testimony to the AGL. The AGL that Officer Lagasse attested to may be accurate because evidence shows that there is no way that it was as lower than (100-150 AGL). He still lends credence to the recorded info regarding it’s bearing. This story still contradicts the official FBI/911 Commission report of poles being broken on the South side of the gas station on 395 en route to the Pentagon’s west face from a different angle. Officer Lagasse found himself in a real jam because the FBI did not confiscate the pump yard tapes, only the parking lot tapes that had full vantage point of the Pentagons west face in them.
The pump tape places Officer Lagasse on the north side of the gas station fueling his cruiser the morning of 9/11 at the time of 77’s approach towards the Pentagon. Right before the “impact” he accounted that the plane passed the left side of his cruiser, over Arlington National Cemetery heading East towards the West wall and stated that no poles in his line of sight at his vantage point were hit on 395 or otherwise. Statement: “All the window shades were drawn shut flying over Arlington Cemetery in route to the West wall impact site” Looking *similar to this UAV? Weaponized perhaps?
UAV.
Other notable conflicts:
No evidence that a “747 hit the Pentagon” story later disappeared after live coverage. http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/Cnn[1].Pentagon.Jamie.Mcintyre.swf .
Bureau of Transportation Statistics never recorded Flight 77 to be “wheels up” on 2001-9-11. www.bts.gov/gis/ It is posted as a “cancelled flight” on the DOT records, all other flights reflect cancelled after 09:25 due to a National no fly zone was declared.
From the BTS website and the Department of Transportation letter now backs up the claim that Flight 93 is shown as “wheels up” and departed at 08:01.
Letter from Department of Transportation confirming above BTS report of Flight 77 issue.
This is the certified mail reply from DOT under request for RITA and BTS flight data to confirm the same information was recorded by both agencies on 9/11. The DOT spreadsheet below shows both flight 11 and 77 were cancelled the morning of 9/11 which is now a well established fact. This spread sheet below matches the AA BTS record.
Now, which begs the question; were did the flight 77 FDR come from? Where are the passengers that ”supposedly” boarded flight 77 that morning? We now have 3 agencies reporting the same data that 77 or 11 for that matter never went “wheels up” that morning of 2001-9-11.
Both FDR and CVR were recovered on 2001-09-14 at 04:00 in the ruins of the Pentagon. Only one box was turned over to the NTSB, the FDR, it was stated that the CVR was ruined in the crash so there is no pilot/aircraft audio. Only 1 FDR was salvaged out of 2 recorders according to the FBI who found them.
Why wasn’t flight 77 declared an unidentified bogie en route to the Pentagon?
Why didn’t NORAD or Andrews scramble fighters towards its vector to investigate this craft? They had ALLOT of time to intercept but didn’t within the 35 minutes time period before “impact”?
NORAD insisted that they were tracking a military craft and it was transponder “friendly” so no Pentagon counter measures were deployed manually or automatically. That morning, in the Presidential bunker, flight #77 was incoming to the DC area later learned the Pentagon. A military official was requesting to scramble fighters to intercept, but stand down order-s were given to this soldier by Dick Cheney and over heard by Norman Mineta.
This stand down order was testified at the 911 Commission hearing by Norman Mineta.
Were the light poles on 395 genuinely broken or planted? Why is there such a big discrepancy in flight paths according to the 911 Commission report vs. FDR and NORAD and eyewitnesses?. All flight recordings stop one second out. Why? The flight data recorder retrieved shows that the “77 flight” never leveled off which is contrary to the Pentagon camera’s footage as a level lawn flight of the supposed 77 flight and stands in direct contradiction to the FDR recovered.
There was high radiation counts of over 1000 background and picked up as far as 12 miles away from the Pentagon after the “crash”? IMO it sounds and looks like depleted uranium tipped guided missile, notice the “chalking” on the concrete wall due to high heat exposure before the collapse. The front lawn leading towards the impact site was then covered in stone and sand.
If the support pillars of the impact area are studied, you will see that they are bent up and out instead of forwards and missing..
WTC 7: AKA “The Solomon Brothers Building” was being reported on BBC network news ticker that WTC 7 had too collapsed, while the AP report ticker was rolling this information several times on the bottom of the screen. The reporter / cameraman for the BBC has the building in their shot just over the reporter’s left shoulder and it is still standing during there live ticker feed broadcast. Soon after I guess someone realized that the ticker/building in background was a conflicting story, the field reporters lost there live feed mysteriously. Same story as mentioned above happened to on site CNN reporters and became a media black out while tower 7 was brought down.
After WTC 7 collapsed under a controlled demolition, the media was back on line. Either the info was coming in from the psychic friends network, or they were just busted! Update, this story and other tapes from 911 have now reportedly gone missing from the BBC vault but the BBC did authenticate the recording, time stamp of 17:20 the day of 9/11.
Security problems: Marvin Bush, brother of GW Bush was part owner of the security company responsible for the Trade Center complex and also Dulles airport. The WTC complex security was recently privatized and didn’t fall under port authority jurisdiction anymore before 9-11. Wert D Walker III is a cousin of the Bush brothers and CEO of Securacom from 1999-2002 that Marvin partly owned.
No self defense counter measure missiles were dispatched to intercept flight 77’s impending route to the Pentagon. Vice President Cheney ordered fighters from Andrew AFB to stand down, that comment was testified to the 911 commission by Norman Mineta.
George Bush blocked the FBI with a 1991-WF order from investigating anymore into Al-Qaeda network, and to destroy any info regarding, in my opinion, that’s very poor security especially since there supposed terrorists. FBI Agent Sibel Edmunds was placed on a gag order by the DOJ pre 911 to suppress all internal documents indicating a dated impending attack on American soil. John O’Neil quit the FBI pre 911 because he was restricted from stopping Al-Qaeda’s pending attack, he got a new job as there head of security manager at WTC 2 and died first day on the job 9-11-01.
The employees of the FBI and Defense intelligence were told that they will be arrested if they try to stop Al-Qaeda pre 911 under national security implications of 1991-WF presidential law. In addition, lawsuits have been filed against the US Government because these branches were not allowed to pursue there terrorist leads and stop them.
Bin Laden was originally funded by the CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
This was a big bright red flag that our internal Government securities were not allowed to pursue these leads. Bin Laden was also the top list of suspect in the OK bombing of the Murrah building, funny, because Tim McVeigh and Terri Nichols always repeated that they had directives from the American Government and CIA to carry out that attack. Taliban initially condemned the attacks and denied that Bin Laden wasn’t behind 911.
A warning from the British foreign office reported to their British citizens 2 hours in advance that there is a strong risk of atrocities that will be carried out in the US before flight 11 on 9-11-01.
Advance knowledge of a small thermo nuclear devise-s to be used in the twin towers pre 9/11. Reference: Susan Lindauer, former CIA field asset turned whistleblower also confirmed that flight 93 was shot down in Shanksville PA and the AF pilot that shot the fight down is still in jail in Florida to silence him to this day..
More 9/11 coincidences…
War Games Multiple War Games Were Being Conducted on 9/11/01Several different war game exercises were in play on the day of the attack. The limited public information on these exercises shows that they simulated the following events:
These events are all elements of the actual attack, which involved four alleged hijackings, three jetliner crashes into buildings, and the toxic calamity at Ground Zero in the wake of the World Trade Center's destruction.
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Operation Northern VigilanceConducted from September 9-11, this exercise redeployed jets that normally patrolled the northeast sector to northern Canada and Alaska. It echoed a Russian exercise scheduled from September 10-14 in which long-range bombers were dispatched to their northern territory. 1
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The Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant Guardian Training ExercisesThese were apparently a pair of war games (attacker versus defender) which involved live-fly simulations of hijackings. Both this pair of exercises and Northern Vigilance probably involved the use of "injects" into screens to simulate aircraft. These games apparently resembled the actual attack sufficiently to confuse military officers, as suggested by the following transcript.
FAA Boston Center contacts NEADS, saying, "We need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out."
“Is this real world or an exercise?” asked the military liaison officer?
"No, this is not an exercise," responded the FAA official. "Not a test." 2
The only known source for the exercise named Vigilant Warrior is Richard Clarke's book, Against All Enemies. 3 It is possible that the exercise referred to by Clarke was actually Amalgam Warrior, a NORAD field training exercise involving life-fly air interception, held twice yearly, in the spring on the East Coast and the fall on the East Coast. 4
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The Global Guardian ExerciseOn the morning of the attack, a large-scale military training exercise called Global Guardian was "in full swing." Global Guardian is an annual exercise involving Stratcom (the US Strategic Command), the US Space Command, and NORAD. 5
There is evidence that the date of the 2001 Global Guardian exercise was changed to correspond with the the terrorist attack 9/11/2001. NBC News military analyst William Arkin, in his book Code Names, gives the date of the exercise as October 22-31, 2001. 6 Also, a military newspaper, the Space Observer, reported in an article dated 3/23/01 that the exercise was scheduled for October of that year.
Stratcon directed the exercise, which included all the US strategic forces, from Offutt Air Force Base. 7
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The National Reconnaissance Office Plane Crash DrillThe National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) "provides our nation its eyes and ears in space." It operates a system of reconnaissance satellites to provide real-time monitoring of objects in the skies. On 9/11/01 the NRO headquarters in Chantilly, VA, were evacuated as part of a "plane into building" drill. The scenario involved a small corporate jet crashing into one of the campus' four towers. 8
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The Timely Alert II Terrorism DrillOn the morning of the attack, personnel at the Fort Monmouth Army base in New Jersey were preparing to hold a drill, for the days of September 11 and 12, to test preparedness to respond to a chemical attack. The exercise was to involve law enforcement and emergency responders including the New Jersey State Police and Fort Monmouth Fire Department. 9 Just before the exercise was to commence, reports of the attack in New York City surfaced and "real world events overtook the exercise," in the words of Army spokesman Timothy L. Rider. 10
FEMA training manual cover
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The Tripod II Biowarfare ExerciseFEMA had deployed to New York City on September 10 to set up a command post at Pier 29, supposedly in preparation for a biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12.
You should put this in a PDF with the images and get it out there. (I'd like a copy of it)
Understand if it's a bit of an ask.
PS: no biggie but there's a typo in the title, 'Incident'
It's okay, this wasn't the "official" release. The refined copy was spell checked and context corrected. This is the *original draft from 2002 off my only PC that hasn't crashed.
Wot?! ... the 'terrorists' ... shrank the jet first?!! Why did they do that?
Check this video at 1 min 50 sec (punching clean round holes in walls like that is standard practice in urban warfare):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A0g1FPy8_es
But I have absolutely no idea how the Pentagon could have ever gotten its hands on such a dangerous device?! I guess this will forever remain unexplained.
And this guy, oh my God, what a complete crackpot, he has no idea what he's yammering-on about!
Former General of all US Intelligence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E
This one is also just nuts, nut's I tell you! How can people even be questioning this stuff?
US BioWeapons -- Convenient Suicide or Patsy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkoHYegXr0
I hereby appologise, most profusely, for resorting to using evil 'links' ... links are bad ... mmkay?
Youre a paid disinformation troll. I wonder if ur ip adress places you at a shadow goverment office?
I thought you were the Zionist Joo. It's not easy keeping track of the players here, but then it was never intended to be easy, eh?
I apologise, my pictures didn't show up in the post from my Commission report, that's the gaps. Edit locked me out of access to correct.
I've been studying this for years like many others here. good posts
screw aesthetics! no need to apologize! the effort and intention is what matters :)
today, one is with the NWO or one is with Free Humanity - little else is of consequence :)
great comment but plz edit out all the double lines :)
my only objection to this post would be that the heading Main Players should be re-labeled Main US-based Govt. Side Puppets
anyone who thinks dick cheney and george bush (snicker) planned or carried this out needs to think again of course
i mean even Dov S. Zakheim wasnt in on the planning meetings for this shit folks XD
again, this is one of the main problems with 911 and why analyzing the discrete, tangible elements is even problematic in and of itself
one must look rather to the downstream implementation and resultants and then reverse engineer the motive and chain of custody etc.
what is the real point to all of it?
lets ask real questions for a moment.
the real point has been discussed for nearly a century (albert pike [more than a single letter to M folks cmon!] and club of rome being some of the earlier data streams)
the planned deinsidustrialization/disintegration of the west, its values and etc. in preparation for a New World Order
a one world government, one religion etc. all leading up to a thx-113 borg beehive for humanity
now one can speculate about artilects running crystal palaces all day; however, the visceral reality of being dog trained at airports should conjure up all the visions of late 1920's Germany you need to get the baseline metrics imo
you simply cannot have a nation anywhere full of sovereign individuals
republics like the US must be destroyed for that agenda to be completed, the rest is merely implementation
yes, even 911 is just a bump on That road
the sad reality is this:
we will be asking for Proof that we are being inserted into a charnel pit, even as we are being lined up and shot in the head
"the planned deinsidustrialization/disintegration of the west, its values and etc. in preparation for a New World Order"
Start with this: "the planned deinsidustrialization/disintegration of the west"
No, start with this: "the planned deinsidustrialization"
Oh, my bad... start with this: "deinsidustrialization"
Logic and reason are our allies...
First, given that we're on a finite planet can there be ANY reasonable (by logic and reason) evidence/argument given to support the notion that industrialization could continue forever?
Second, IF those who are "at the controls" knew/know that things couldn't go on forever what do you think that they would do, knowing that they derive their positions of power solely out of our (I use "our" in the sense of general human behaviors) belief that they in fact have any real ability to alter the absolute realities that the finite planet presents? And IF they ARE aware, it makes total sense that they would strive to do "something" (just look around and see how many times you hear people demanding that "something" be done?).
People are free to bash the various attempts, but what people shouldn't bash is the fundamentals on which we exist. We have finite resources available. We have extracted a LOT of concentrated resources (which will take a LONG time before they manage to reassemble themselves into nice readily exploitable/usable bundles again [abiotic oil people, are you listening?], a process that will be helped along by the next glacial period). AND, our population/consumption of our limited resources has, until recently, been increasing at a rapid rate.
The trend toward consolidation is pretty much a given, it's built in, one could say it's human nature: we have a herd mentality (in some cases it's a positive, in others not so). Humans, however, no matter how smart they think they are (either to overcome or to stop some evil human plot) can NOT overcome the realities of physics, the physical realities.
While we all run around trying to ferret out all the evil-doers the planet's resources are diminishing (in EROEI terms). Everyone here should look in the mirror and explain to themselves how much different they are then those who represent TPTB. Are you not looking to ensure your future as they are? Are you not looking to protect your "wealth" as they are? And, though many here won't admit it, are you being deceptive about what you are doing (like you're going to announce to everyone that you're sitting on a pile of PMs?) like they might be doing? Are you trying to protect your children, such as they are doing? Are you pushing any kind of "religion," such as might be suggested that they are doing?
Just because you might not like the messenger(s) that doesn't mean that the substance of the message is bad/wrong.
Energy is best applied in doing. Focus on what you have agency over... (and don't fool yourself into thinking that you have agency over something that you do not)
All Hail!.... The Second Amendment...
And thank God that THEY gave this to us. Uh, well, wait...
Not sure about "God," but govt can only TAKE from us...
The refined, editied copy of this report went straight to the White House, State Department and the Pentagon ring D. This was the crux of my career after 9/11. I have sacrificed allot out of my life to expose these inconvienient truths. I was asked to write a public *opinion report but I didn't realize they were trying to cover it up until 2001-09-16. The final draft was very impressive as was the fictional tale of 9/11.
Something to bear in mind within this Neo Con wet dream incident, forget about the planes, the bad actors and the slight of hand, focus on who profited and what policies changed soon afterwards.
9/11 was a contracted job, case closed.
God bless all those who lost on that fateful day.
-BD
Go on over to WWW.TheBeastilityPlatform.com and get your WTC-7 enlightenment from the master(baiter)...Smokey(Jim)Quinn.
The man with all the answers.
" ...Why... that building just fell down... what more answers do you need."
was not the SEC office of investigation in bldg 7
heard all enron records were stored there also
as well as all open case files too...
dog ate my homework ...
Yes, CIA had a feild office in there and the FBI also. That's where the Opp's of that day were run from, top floor behind cover.
im not going to go into it but WTC7 is the smoking gun on 911 even sans collapse
its like the "Catcher's Mitt" wing of the penatagon housing the data and personnel investigating the "we cannot account for $2.3T in the pentagon budget" the day before the attacks...
what a conveniently timed press conference
and the debunkers are like "hes just saying we need new computers because we cant effectively track the transactive database"
yeah.
also the cameras on every street corner linked to a hyper computer analyzing your gait to see if you might be "al-qaeda" are a theory, as are the human microwaves in every airport and the TSA at bus stations
:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPl1MjCgig
the front end is warcrime911's work http://www.youtube.com/user/WarCrime911 there are some choice points in there
its been several years since i actively trucked in this data - at this point, to me, for all intents and purposes, the case is closed - it was a false flag op and i feel the geostrategic resultants roundly confirm this irrespective of any arguments that might be made about the chain of events
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI
was Honored to have him use one of my animations on a video (check out the sweet particle work from back in the day!) also a funny song about the depravity of arizona's biggest dbag generator Scottsdale (where ppl have more money than brains on average)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMLzPjxCQk
4409 is one of our best guys and a tireless combatant in the infowarFOUR FOUR 0 NINE baby yeah!
SHUTTING DOWN ALL GOVERNMENT PIRATES
one of the only cool people i know to ever come out of Scottsdale haha XD
When will this be declassified
HA! HA! HA!
Yeah, right. It only took a couple of hours to completely rig WTC7 and do a controlled demolition amid the chaos of the disaster across the street. Maybe if there had been a week or two lead time....
If GW is grabbing the tail of the dog here and pointing us to suspicious goings on at WTC7 as an important, if not the main reason for the 911 party, then I am willing to give a couple of courtesy wags.
Otherwise, the headline is for a different article.
Make no mistake and let me be clear! The dynamite was in the building ever since it was built "just-in-case"! In fact it was a secret alien spaceship that tried to launch in panic, but i think too much concrete or some shit happened and it fell the other way. Crap!
lol, it must be 911 Con. 2012. Everybody comes wearing their tin foil fire helmets waving thermometers.
Your avatar is a couple of planets off.
Actually, Uranus is the next planet.
LOL...I always get that location confused with Neptune...the commenter reminds of that old joke:
What does a wad of toilet paper have in common with the Starship USS Enterprise?...They both circle around Uranus looking for Klingons...
I guess we can find them tonight on Saturn....thanks for the Google Maps check :)
Any evidence for necessary " lead time"?
you can't be serious
necessary " lead time"
I'm thinking probably more than the 8 hours or so between the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 and the time they 'pulled' WTC 7.
JFC, it's like this article is missing the world's biggest sarc tag?...Is it?
Yeh, reality, dude.
Have you ever been in that building to know how fucking big it was and how long it would take to go through it, without elevator service lugging around the amount of explosives and rigging material required for a controlled implosion.
Look no further than all the fuel stored on site for back up generation and the exemptions Guliani's retarded Design and construction team got for running single walled fuel pipes up half the fucking building. A scandle in itself I might add.
"Any evidence for necessary " lead time"?"
Please elaborate.