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What Happens If GLD Doesn't Have The Physical Gold To Back Its Investment Funds???

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This is the final installment of my interview with the CEO of GBI: Gold Bullion International, a Wall Street firm that facilitates trading in actual physical gold for retail and institutional investors directly through their brokerage account. This segment covers:

  • the ownership structure of GBI, 
  • a direct comparison of direct ownership versus the GLD ETF, 
  • a clarification of counterparty risk,
  • what happens if GLD et. al. are found out not to have the physical gold backing their fund that many parties anticipate, 
  • and the ability of GLD and related ETFs to actually print thier own money..

If you have not seen the first four parts of this interview and the supplementary information (ex. the Sprott Physical Gold Trust comparison), I invite you to peruse them now...

  1. Trading Physical Gold As Easily As You Trade Stocks: Is Gold Becoming A Tradable Currency After All?
  2. Trading Physical Gold vs Investing In A Physical Gold Trust: Which Is Better?
  3. Reggie Middleton Interviews GBI: Gold Bullion International part 3 of 5
  4. Trading Physical Gold: Is Gold In A Bubble?
 
 

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Tue, 02/28/2012 - 20:30 | 2206273 MrSteve
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GLD prospectus says they do not audit their warehouse inventories, held in vendors' offsite facilities. They are just collecting on fools' dreams of owning gold. I sold all my GLD and won't buy anymore worthless paper gold.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:57 | 2202133 solgundy
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REGGIE IS AN IDIOT

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:48 | 2202111 tradewithdave
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Who needs real gold when you have vector gold?

www.tradewithdave.com

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:22 | 2201270 DarthVaderMentor
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If they don't have enough gold, the pull a "Corzine Maneuver"!

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:12 | 2201447 Lost Wages
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It's like the Picard Maneuver from Star Trek the Next Generation, except with Sovereign Debt instead of phasers.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:10 | 2201008 BlackholeDivestment
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Chairsatan and the Suicide Vampire Squid of the Great Wal Mart of China built the Paper Mache and the physical golden calf.

...and the Israelites that escaped out of Egypt danced around it, kissed it, gave offerings to it, having sacrificed nothing? LMAO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQos00X5O78

What is being secured? The principle of Broken Tablets? Lol 

...could it beeee ....the wine of wrath?

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:07 | 2200971 JW n FL
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WHY? Wallow in mud now that VIX futures are out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjvbA-Xebfg

 

if you have ADD or ADHD at the 7 minute mark is when the GLD conversation kicks off.

and then again at 11 minutes.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 20:56 | 2202264 BlackholeDivestment
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LMAO, that was the biggest laugh anyone would hope for. 

(goto 0013:17 in the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjvbA-Xebfg ) 

http://bible.cc/hosea/13-2.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_gOpU0eWU

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:56 | 2200968 undercover brother
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GLD trust shares are cash based and you can't take delivery of phyisical with this ETF like you can with a futures contract.  So it doesn't really matter whether there is enough gold behind the trust.  It's just commission generating paper with numbers and a basis against the underlying physical. 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:35 | 2200917 edwardo1
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Folks, it's not that GLD doesn't have physical, it's how many (prior) claims exist on that physical.  The answer to that is it's all taken, and when the rubber hits the road physical for all but the biggest and most connected players will not be available.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:04 | 2200807 oddjob
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GBI is a scam. Look at the directors and advisors...this is just another Wall street white collar welfare operation.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:39 | 2200686 Robslob
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Didn't the University of Texas Teachers Pension Fund do a study only to find that if 5% of managers did what they did (convert to physical) that the CRIMEX would be unable to meet delivery demands????

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/1-billion-gold-bars-taken-delivery-pens...

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:34 | 2200915 trav7777
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CRIMEX is an EXCHANGE, ok?  They are not on the hook to deliver, the SHORTS are.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:18 | 2200852 Freddie
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Are you thinking about Kyle Bass?  He is on the Univ of Texas investment policy commit and was the one who told them to buy $500 million in gold - now worth over $1 billion.   He asked some questions and did the due diligence about having them store the gold.  He essentially said BS - deliver it to us. He did not trust them at all.   I am not sure if it was the COMEX/CRIME-x or who was going to store it for them.  

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:38 | 2202096 Boxed Merlot
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I may be wrong, but I believe it's being stored in New York for safe keeping. 

No, seriously.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:53 | 2202129 silvertrain
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You are correct..It is stored in NYC...

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:11 | 2200598 HungrySeagull
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Paper share of Gold = Imaginary Money Pit.

Attempt to redeem for Physical = WTF!?

Prices of Physical = To the Moon

Paper = Incinerator.

If that does not bring about the train wreck that was supposed to happen years ago, I don't know what will.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:04 | 2200574 Gromit
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What's the fuss?

GLD's prospectus explicitly explains that its ability to replicate the value of gold depends on its counterparties ability to perform.

Works until it doesn't.

Good luck everybody!

 

 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:35 | 2200669 HAL 9000
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Let me put it this way, Gromit. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:47 | 2201091 Random_Robert
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Open the pod-bay door please, Hal ...

 

 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:19 | 2200856 DonutBoy
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I just detected a fault in the AE-35 unit.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:49 | 2200533 engineertheeconomy
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the GLD and SLV as well as their correspondant "spot price" are 100% manipulated. They are just printing more and more paper backed by absolutely nothing. I don't know who the entity is that determines spot price, but it's pretty self-evident that it is not determined by supply and demand 

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 02:57 | 2202936 AgShaman
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The ETF's were engineered by the World Gold Council....with the help of State Street Global Advisors. Their mission was to help the Comex Casino with a backstop relief valve should a large amount of contracts remain standing for delivery....and neither the metal or the cash was available to settle those contracts. At least that is my own speculation....based on the timelines of the inception dates of the ETF's....and the Comex Rule 104.36 that allows for EFP swap arrangements making it copacetic for the Comex to settle contracts with ETF shares as an alternative to cash.

I think Zerohedge covered it all last year. Either way....reading the prospectus on these ETF's should be enough to scare off investors....without the added double-'Hamy' of the CME casino using them as a closing mechanism safety valve.

The number of ways the Custodian and Sponsor can weasel their way outta responsibility....and just pull the plug should things not go according to plan would really surprise most....if they took the time to read the "Protect-Us"

I would submit that pouring fiat into the ETF's actually gives the Bullion Banks extra ammo to manipulate the PM markets at their leisure. Not that I'm personally broken up about it....I did rather enjoy the lifespan of cheap prices in the physical.

 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:43 | 2200522 el Gallinazo
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Why did Reggie post this on ZH?  Annoying.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:26 | 2201288 DarthVaderMentor
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Becuase Reggie has a nagging doubt (maybe conscience) and he's clearing himself of any charges if GLD really doesn't have the gold. Perfectly normal behavior for your everyday Wall Street "Advice Pirate"!

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:36 | 2200923 trav7777
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subscriber count for doomer bloggers is evaporating maybe?  So, he'll tell us all something we've already known and talked about for years here?  Hoping to drum up more people willing to part with money for advice to short SPG?

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:36 | 2200500 resurger
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Private

GBI FTW

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:34 | 2200498 quartshort
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Them's dissapearing words and I appreciate your efforts and willingness to expose the cockroaches for what they are. Stay in lit public places! Or is that stay lit in public places? No more Maguire stunts.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:22 | 2200468 BlackVoid
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If???

Its not an if, its a "when".

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:19 | 2200455 TheCanimal
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:17 | 2200442 CPL
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Video is private.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:11 | 2200425 Bansters-in-my-...
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If you trade gold ,you are a traitor.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:54 | 2200760 Problem Is
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I heard The Bernank say that right after Bald Bennie said "Gold is not money."

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:43 | 2200942 Quaderratic Probing
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Don't fight the FED, if he says gold is not money he must be able to make it so

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:51 | 2200745 donsluck
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So don't trade, just "consume".

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:49 | 2202117 sessinpo
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Then your shit will finally be worth something - sarc

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:16 | 2200440 CPL
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You mean trader.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:10 | 2200418 Treason Season
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Reggie, What % of gold do you recommend in one's investment portfolio?

TIA

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:08 | 2201436 Lost Wages
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David Morgan says 10% and Max Keiser says 90%, so anywhere between 10-90% should be fine.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:27 | 2200889 ddtuttle
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Reggie is awsome at analyzing the banking system.  However, his tirades against Apple sound like a first year engineer who doesn't understand marketing.  Apple makes products while everyone else makes technology. No contest.  They can copy Apple, but Apple will always out-innovate in manufacturing and human usability.  Google vs Apple is like Microsoft vs Apple, and we know how that's turning out.

Likewise for investing.  Reggie can tell you what going on in the banks, but that doesn't mean he knows how to save yourself from the implosion. You have to put a filter on Reggie, just like everybody else on the internet.  The amount of gold you need depends on your circumstance: how old are you, how much do you need to live, where are your other assets, how many other people depend on you, do you have income or do you live off your investments etc. etc. 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:57 | 2201135 Rynak
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The problem with apple - ignoring critical consumer considerations (primarily, liberty)  - isn't that they are unable to design well done products.

Rather, the problem is that apple is OVER-cashed.... fuck, they themelves said, that they by now have more capital, than they actually need. Apple IS a bubble.... not a bubble in the sense that it is a scam, that is worth shit.... but instead bubble in the purest sence: There is nothing wrong with them financially.... it's it that there is too much right in terms of capital. It is an example of even well doing companies being susceptible to overenthusiasm and hype.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:40 | 2200514 Pladizow
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In PM's:

Chris Martenson = 75%

Ben Davies = 80%

Eric Sprott = 85%

What % of your purchasing power do you want to protect?

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:23 | 2200871 Freddie
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What percentage would you have if you had known what Mugabge would do in Zimbabwe?  Well we have a muslim Mugabe in the USA.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:09 | 2200417 Popo
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"This Video is Private"

 

 

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:14 | 2200405 Cognitive Dissonance
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Reggie. A click on the video brings up a black screen declaring "This video is private". Even going to your web site and finding the web page with the video/article doesn't help.

http://boombustblog.com/blog/item/6012-what-happens-if-gld-doesnt-have-the-physical-gold-to-back-its-investment-funds???

Can you help?

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:29 | 2200893 Ruffcut
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Read some JIm Willie http://www.goldenjackass.com/main5.html

GLD was bullshit from the start like  whats left of the comex. Can't wait for the ETF that trades real thin air.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:43 | 2200523 Reggie Middleton
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The video is now public. I apologize for the snafu.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:54 | 2200543 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thank you for jumping on it so quickly. It is an informative video series that presents new-to-me faces.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:05 | 2200808 oddjob
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Would it be rude to replace faces with feces?

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:09 | 2201002 Think for yourself
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Not only rude, but worse - irrelevant, hors-propos, juvenile and useless, a waste of bits and of time.
"If your words wouldn't improve on the silence, shut the fuck up" might have very well applied here. 

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