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Will Israel Blow Up Something and Falsely Blame It On Iran?
According to U.S. officials, Israel is training and supporting Iranian terrorists who are trying to topple the Iranian government. Those Israeli-funded terrorists have faked documents to falsely indicate that Iran is building a nuclear bomb. 1
Israel has admitted to previous use of false flag attacks to justify war against Middle Eastern nations.
For example, Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this).
Numerous high-level government officials have warned that a false flag may be launched against Iran to start a war: 2
- Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski (who helped to create Al Qaeda to fight the soviets in Afghanistan) told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation.
- Daniel Ellsberg – the famous Pentagon Papers whistleblower – said “if there is another terror attack, “I believe the president will get what he wants”, which includes war with Iran
- Robert David Steele – a 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer – says that elements within the U.S. government are trying to carry out a false flag operation and blame it on Iran
- Former high-level CIA officer Michael Scheuer – who was the head of the CIA unit tasked with capturing Bin Laden – says that Israel or Saudi Arabia could be setting up Iran as a way to foment war 3
- Ron Paul has warned of a “Gulf of Tonkin type incident” in Iran
- Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says many ideas have been proposed for provoking a war, including building boats that look like Iranian boats, and then putting Navy Seals on them to “start a shoot-up”
- The highly influential Brookings Institution wrote a report in 2009 called “Which Path to Persia?” which states (pages 84-85):
It would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be.Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)
- A former member of the British Parliament stated that “there is a very real danger” that the American government will stage a false flag terror attack in order to justify war against Iran
- A number of very high-level former intelligence officers – including several that personally briefed presidents every day on matters of national security – stated that better communications between the U.S. and Iran were needed to “reduce the danger of … covert, false-flag attack”
One of America’s top constitutional and military law experts – Jonathan Turley – writes today:
Many critics have argued that there is a concerted effort to push the United States into a war with Iran by supporters of Israel. Patrick Clawson, director of research for the highly influential pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) think tank, seemed intent to prove those rumors true this week in comments as a luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout.” Clawson casually discusses how to create a false flag operation to push the U.S. into war to overcome any reluctance by the public. We have been discussing how many leaders like Senator Joe Lieberman had begun to use the same rhetoric that led to the last two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how the suggest timing of an attack has been tied to the presidential election.
In his remarks, Clawson helpfully lists a series of historical events used to push the country into war like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that gave us the Vietnam War. Clawson expressed his frustration in acknowledging that it is “[v]ery hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran.” However, there is hope. Clawson explains that the “traditional way” to get the country into a war is through false flags or manufactured incidents where Americans are killed. Thus, he observes, “we are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nastier about it. So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”
The fact that one of the leading analysis for the WINEP would feel comfortable in making such comments is itself quite chilling. It indicates that such discussions have become sufficiently regular that it has creeped into public discussion. It is a measure of the secret pressure building to push this country into a third major war despite our crippling economic conditions and losses in military personnel. The assumption in Washington is that neither Romney nor Obama could oppose such a war. Even if Obama does not publicly support Israel, the assumption is that political allies of Israel in Washington can guarantee that we would offer extensive military loans and intelligence. Even if there is a delay in such military loans and support, the assumption is that Israel can go to war with the understanding that the United States will cover a significant portion of the costs. Moreover, in his remarkably candid remarks, Clawson shows how the U.S. can easily be forced into direct combat by pushing Iran to simply kill some Americans or sink a few of our ships. Then members would be clamoring for revenge. Notably, the Israelis have been ratcheting up the war rhetoric in pushing Iran, which predictably has now reserved the right to engage in a preemptive strike not just against Israeli but U.S. interests. We would then, again, find ourselves in a war without any public debate or collective decision.
While Clawson adds a passing caveat that he is not advocating such an approach, his remarks are clearly designed to show how the group can get the United States into a war for Israel if only we can get Iran to kill some of our citizens or soldiers. Those people are of course expendable props in Clawson’s realpolitik.
By the way, Clawson has been enlisted to give his insightful analysis at the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. He is also a member of the National Defense University’s Institute for National Strategic Studies. The World Bank connection is particularly interesting given the history with Paul Wolfowitz who pushed the U.S. into two disastrous wars in the Bush Administration and was rewarded with being made the head of the World Bank.
It is the callous disconnect that is most chilling in these remarks. Thousands of U.S. soldiers have died or have been crippled for life in these wars that have left the country near bankruptcy (and increasingly hostile “allies” in Afghanistan and Iraq). Those casualties and costs, however, appear immaterial in the discussion of supporting Israel in a war against Iran.
1 Top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials actually say that:
- Even if Iran did build a nuclear bomb – it would not be that dangerous, because Israel and America have so many more nukes. And see this
- Attacking Iran would only speed up its development of nuclear weapons, empower its hardliners, and undermine the chance for democratic reform
2 False flag attacks have been carried out against Iran in the past. For example, the CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister
3 Saudi Arabia has also been supporting terrorists.
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I don't know who or what to believe, I just know it is a huge mess and makes Revelations come to mind.
Ezekiel 38 Gog Magog....
Thread summary: Plop plop plop!!!!!
The poster refuses to acknowledge that Iran is indeed building a bomb.
You must be nuts to believe that iRAN is going through all this trouble just for electricity production.
It would also be helpful to do some research on Shia end-times beliefs.
Of course loonie-lefties like the OP disregard such things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFQf60JvPw&feature=related
History of the Iranian Air Force
Search it under Wiikipedia......look at the aircraft....familiar?
Military industrial complexs(Eisenhower)
the USS Enterprise must be decommissioned the next year............................................. i will not be surprised if one day in the news i will hear about the sinking of USS Enterprise
What about the Starship Enterprise?
And if this false flag doesn't come true is there any penalty for the sensational claims that are made? Or was the article simply good enough to elicit 3 pages of responses, all of which I haven't the time to read? Not too long ago a false flag claim was made of sinking an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf which still has yet to become reality. Conspiracy theories are sometimes just theories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6DzG-AFZR0s
Re Not too long ago a false flag claim was made of sinking an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf which still has yet to become reality. Conspiracy theories are sometimes just theories.
The ghosts of those incinerated to a crisp by the I-S-R-A-E-L-I FALSE-FLAG ATTACK on the USS LIBERTY cry out - to tell us otherwise.
Sometimes exposing a potential plan is enough to thwart it, as the disinfectant sunshine of public scrutiny is enough to convince the would-be boneheads not to do it.
One of many possible examples (I'm tired and this is the first one that pops into my mind): the U.S. seriously considered a nuclear strike on Russia. One of America's leading physicists wrote a book exposing the plan, and the U.S. Attorney General wrote the forward to the book: http://www.amazon.com/To-Win-Nuclear-War-Pentagons/dp/0896083217
The Pentagon basically dropped its first-strike plans after that.
Were the authors silly for publishing it?
No ... they had a part in stopping it.
Other examples of Nixon and East Germany: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/05/it-is-worth-fighting-even-when-th...
Sometimes exposing a potential plan is enough to thwart it
And there you have it - the fundamental construct of the liberal conspiracist. There is no room for the alternative possibility that no plan existed. If there is no plan, and therefore it never comes to be, then the theorist declares victory for having foiled it. Look at the parallel in life sciences: (a) Darwin's evolution theory must be true or (b) more research is needed. It's a perpetual cycle whose intent is to foreclose any alternative possibility.
You're one load your mother should have swallowed.
Step back from the mirror if you want to have a conversation, SC. Pretty sure you can't string together two coherent sentences on anything relevant to the pillars of ideological divide (or pretty much anything else that requires a hint of critical thought). So keep patting yourself on the back and wincing each time you hit save and post your worthless pablum.
(BTW, what's your average time between when you post and when you up-arrow yourself...?)
From Netty yahou's recent caper yesterday, from the gist of Ahmed's speech at UN the day before, from Obammy's current attitude to Netty yahou and Israel antics; unless its false mirrors from his side; the Israeli venture into Iran BEFORE November 6 deadline seems like plan B and NOT plan A; from Israel's militarist perspective.
It would be plan A if ROmney had more legs in this election race; but he doesn't seem to be showing it!
Thank heaven for small mercies. The big ones await the US election results; and will only be in sterile words; not acts. Acts are now in the other camp more and more; those of the horned warrior of Armageddon.
Hear! Hear!
cant help being reminded that alex jones and bill cooper both warned of 9/11 and said it would be a false flag blamed on bin laden...........and no one listened
sure, they were months in advance, just like the sinking carrier story is now
but if they had gotten the play these type stories get now, maybe them thar theys wouldnt have pulled it off
There's a hundred times the listeng audience now, if not a thousand times, when considering all the alternative media sites that echo similar thoughts. Half of the population will KNOW this time who the real culprits would be.
Ditto.
AJ is far more 'mainstream' now with a larger audience.
Despite being shrill, too much of what he says adds up!
just fart in the NY subway and blame it on Iran
Expect a lot of anti Jew rethoric on this posting. There is a trend on ZH to have more anti Jew, anti Zionist, anti Israel rethoric when trailer trash and Aryan nation idiots find out there is a popular website where they can post. It happened to infowars, it happened to maxkeiser. It gets boring.
Any war with Iran (wanted by hawks in the US and Israel, oil companies, Saudi Arabia) will not so much be about possible nukes but about oil and about Sunnies vs Shiites.
Right on. The war will only be about nukes in the most peripheral sense. it will be about everything else under the sun. Nukes are at the bottom of the list.
That's right, Joe A. I am your typical stupid Aryan goyim here, and I know from my 24/7/365 programming that Jews are always the victims, never the perps. They have been persecuted for thousands of years for no reason at all. They always tell the truth and never lie. At your command, I will stop noticing that Jews and other foreign groups always push hard for their own interests inside my country and that if we so much as mention it, we are the bad guys. According to your kind, Europeans have no right to protect themselves in their own countries, unless we proceed under your direction. Enough of your collective B.S. You guys are genocidal maniacs, and the whole world is catching on to the fact. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore.
You nailed it 'bro. Jew Hater Heaven. CIA documents, declassified in 2006 (Available online, FOIA) show beyond doubt the attack on the USS Liberty was a "friendly fire" incident. But that doesn't serve the pseudosophisticate skinhead agenda @ ZH. These guys are slightly brighter than Hammerskins and slightly less bright than Tom Metzger.
CIA documents, declassified in 2006 (Available online, FOIA) show beyond doubt the attack on the USS Liberty was a "friendly fire" incident.
Bull. Shit.
I bet the Israeli pilots who surveilled the ship for hours before the attack couldn't read the numbers, right?
http://www.gtr5.com/image-viewer.htm?gallery/before/lgliberty-portrait.jpg
OK, well that's gringo viejo out of the closet.
Was never in it fella. Have always supported Israel. Fuck all of you ignorant, poisoned pieces of shit.
Even to the exclusion of the best interests of your OWN country (presuming you are an American), like the fifth-column US Neocon establishment?
Thanks for displaying the extent of your ignorance with the ad hominem.
Why have you always supported israel?
What is it about israel that gets your juices flowing?
Don't you mean his precious bodily fluids?
You go GV! We poisoned pieces of shit, must just be trolls. The worst thing in the world is to be an anti-semite...or an ...Islamofacist. Right?
Fuck you
joe
Fuck you joe
This shit needs to b discussed .
Cunts like you are the reason this stuff is only now being questioned after hundreds of years of plutocracy scheming .
If not for GW these guys would have sunk the enterprise by now
Right. Criticism of a specific Israeli administration and its policies - or of a very radical strain of zionism - is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from criticism of Judaism or people of Jewish descent ...
The problem with just focusing on the Israeli administration is that the average Israeli Jewish citizen, who is as brainwashed as their American counter-parts, are the ones who are in danger of "blowback" from the world, etc ....along with dangers from their own government. The average Israeli citizen (along with the avg American citizen) could be easily scapegoated for all the problems going on, when it is the Western Elites, including the Jewish Elite in US and Europe (particularly G Britain) that are Supporting and instigating the wars (Israel is just their little out-post). The Jewish segment of the problem (I've never thought the Jews were completely responsible, but the do have a guilty element) also includes many in the "alternative media" segment...who seem to be gate keepers.
Bingo! The average Jewish person is very much as much a victim as the non-Jew is. We have to remember that.
who donates to that known terrorist funding operation known as AIPAC?
What you say makes some sense, but where does AIPAC get it's DC vote buying money from?
Very few Jooze are rocket scientists. Most of them are just dumbfucks. Not that different from the average Gringo or the average German in 1939 for that matter.
Israel has been saying that "Iran is 6 months away from having a bomb" since the mid-1990's. Of course they will launch a black op and blame it on Iran, it's the cowardly nature of the beast!
They don't call them "the Satanic Tribe" for nothing!
I met some vets a couple months ago who were telling me about a group (Vets) that has made a list of American Jews, and planned that if Israel does pull off a false flag, this group is going to kill as many Jews in America as they can before getting caught. Supposedly, they have a shit ton of members in all states.
At first I thought they were full of shit, but they started backing up their hatred with heaps of factual information, that I know to be true.
These guys seemed 100% not bullshit. Glad I'm not a Jew. These people never learn, and it always blows up in their faces.
Oh well. Grab some popcorn, and let the games commence.
Dumb-fuck, killing people isn't the answer. Killing Jews, or anyone else, is always counter-productive. Violence only achieves more violence. All the wars fought, have they accomplished anything except more war and more dead people? Dis war make the world safe for democracy? Leave your evil shit at home. No killing!
Jeeze, blame the messenger for the bad news?! I didn't say I was part of it, or even that it was a good thing. Who even knows if its true. Aren't those military folks pleased as peaches to do the bidding of the Jews anymore?! Can't understand why?!
Oh, I've also got an Israeli friend who told me that its comedy hour at the bars in Israel when Netanyahu gives his rants about getting Iran. Everyone gets a real kick out of the fact that there are millions of brainless Christians in America who want to do Jews' dirty work. They think its funny as hell how retarded those fools are. I gotta agree with them.
Anyway, save your hate brother. I'm not telling anyone to kill off the Jews... but I also don't lose sleep worrying if it may happen.
Peace brother. As long as you're a stupid goy, you've got no worries.
Cheers :)
This is one of the universal Trolls and paid shills that makes their rounds all over the internet. This particular one is as schizophrenic as his mother.
Oh shit...the gigs up!
Pull your head out, nervous Nelly. Nobody likes silly little cunts like you. Do you really believe that only trolls can find Israel distasteful?
Do only fine, upstanding folks love jews, and everyone else is shit?
Bwahaha! You caught me red handed, genius!!!!!!
PS- I don't actually have a mother. You are not a nice guy. Maybe you're one of those "universal Trolls". Can you explain how the universal variety, differs from the "run of the mill trolls"?
Thanks Champ :)
Thats right, your mommie took one look at you and killed schizoid self.
you got it right. plus nobody talks like this, unless they are gettin a pound of silver to disrupt and note any takers.
The returning veterans from these stupid wars deserve our support
What about the ones who didn't return...?
They must be old NAZI vets from WW2.