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Will Israel Blow Up Something and Falsely Blame It On Iran?

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According to U.S. officials, Israel is training and supporting Iranian terrorists who are trying to topple the Iranian government. Those Israeli-funded terrorists have faked documents to falsely indicate that Iran is building a nuclear bomb. 1

Israel has admitted to previous use of false flag attacks to justify war against Middle Eastern nations.

For example,   Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this).

Numerous high-level government officials have warned that a false flag may be launched against Iran to start a war: 2

  • Ron Paul has warned of a “Gulf of Tonkin type incident” in Iran
  • The highly influential Brookings Institution wrote a report in 2009 called “Which Path to Persia?” which states (pages 84-85):

It would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be.Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)

  • A number of very high-level former intelligence officers – including several that personally briefed presidents every day on matters of national security – stated that better communications between the U.S. and Iran were needed to “reduce the danger of … covert, false-flag attack”

One of America’s top constitutional and military law experts – Jonathan Turley – writes today:

Many critics have argued that there is a concerted effort to push the United States into a war with Iran by supporters of Israel. Patrick Clawson, director of research for the highly influential pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) think tank, seemed intent to prove those rumors true this week in comments as a luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout.” Clawson casually discusses how to create a false flag operation to push the U.S. into war to overcome any reluctance by the public. We have been discussing how many leaders like Senator Joe Lieberman had begun to use the same rhetoric that led to the last two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how the suggest timing of an attack has been tied to the presidential election.

 

In his remarks, Clawson helpfully lists a series of historical events used to push the country into war like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that gave us the Vietnam War. Clawson expressed his frustration in acknowledging that it is “[v]ery hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran.” However, there is hope. Clawson explains that the “traditional way” to get the country into a war is through false flags or manufactured incidents where Americans are killed. Thus, he observes, “we are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nastier about it. So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

 

The fact that one of the leading analysis for the WINEP would feel comfortable in making such comments is itself quite chilling. It indicates that such discussions have become sufficiently regular that it has creeped into public discussion. It is a measure of the secret pressure building to push this country into a third major war despite our crippling economic conditions and losses in military personnel. The assumption in Washington is that neither Romney nor Obama could oppose such a war. Even if Obama does not publicly support Israel, the assumption is that political allies of Israel in Washington can guarantee that we would offer extensive military loans and intelligence. Even if there is a delay in such military loans and support, the assumption is that Israel can go to war with the understanding that the United States will cover a significant portion of the costs. Moreover, in his remarkably candid remarks, Clawson shows how the U.S. can easily be forced into direct combat by pushing Iran to simply kill some Americans or sink a few of our ships. Then members would be clamoring for revenge. Notably, the Israelis have been ratcheting up the war rhetoric in pushing Iran, which predictably has now reserved the right to engage in a preemptive strike not just against Israeli but U.S. interests. We would then, again, find ourselves in a war without any public debate or collective decision.

 

While Clawson adds a passing caveat that he is not advocating such an approach, his remarks are clearly designed to show how the group can get the United States into a war for Israel if only we can get Iran to kill some of our citizens or soldiers. Those people are of course expendable props in Clawson’s realpolitik.

 

By the way, Clawson has been enlisted to give his insightful analysis at the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. He is also a member of the National Defense University’s Institute for National Strategic Studies. The World Bank connection is particularly interesting given the history with Paul Wolfowitz who pushed the U.S. into two disastrous wars in the Bush Administration and was rewarded with being made the head of the World Bank.

 

It is the callous disconnect that is most chilling in these remarks. Thousands of U.S. soldiers have died or have been crippled for life in these wars that have left the country near bankruptcy (and increasingly hostile “allies” in Afghanistan and Iraq). Those casualties and costs, however, appear immaterial in the discussion of supporting Israel in a war against Iran.

 


1  Top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials actually say that:

2   False flag attacks have been carried out against Iran in the past.  For example, the CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister

3 Saudi Arabia has also been supporting terrorists.

 

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Fri, 09/28/2012 - 03:02 | 2837820 Ratscam
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you don't have to be jewish to be a zionist.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 15:47 | 2839869 NewWorldOrange
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And most aren't (by a wide margin.)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:09 | 2837441 dolph9
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Maybe One World Trade Center?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:14 | 2837447 Savyindallas
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Has Silverstein leased any buildings lately? I sure wish we could bring that bastard to jutice before the ugly old troll dies.  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:06 | 2837436 Blazed
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Except for the King David Hotel bombing, the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty attack, a plethora of 911 connections, and small things like that, I can't see why anyone would think Israel would commit a terrorist act to provoke a war.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:17 | 2837454 ozziindaus
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7/7 London drew a lot of parallels with 911. I'll go out on a limb and include 2008 Mumbai and 2005 Bali. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 07:08 | 2838005 Cosimo de Medici
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Your bias obviously prevents you from anything in the way of a rational assessment of the make-up and intentions of LeT or Jama'ah Islamiya.  People who know better consider you somewhere between hopelessly naive and an addled-brain, racist fuckhead piece of shit loser, leaning heavily toward the latter, and I say that in the nicest possible way.  Perhaps your children and loved ones will be the next victims?  Instant karma's gonna get you Gonna knock you right in the head.  You better get yourself together.  Pretty soon you're gonna be dead.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:41 | 2838403 Cosimo de Medici
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No threat, veiled or otherwise.  Just a statement that rather often the Universe clears its own deadwood in order that the forest may grow healthy and more strong.  Nature is a beautiful thing.  I sit back and watch it do its magic.  Got to go, because the show is about to start.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 08:13 | 2838095 eatapeach
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ad hominem, plus veiled threat

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:44 | 2837608 john39
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Look how the palestinians are treated...  then imagine what would happen to the rest of the world if the zionists take full control...   it has to stop.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:04 | 2837433 Blue Dog
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They don't need a false flag. They have Ahmadinejad who's already threatened to use nuclear weapons against the US and Israel. He apparently believes that the 12th imam can't return unless the US and Israel are destroyed. Israel should take out Iran's nuclear sites immediately. The only problem is that Obama would probably order a counterattack on Israel by US forces.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 21:23 | 2840695 PhilofOz
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Where do morons such as you pick up such crazy bullshit!!? One of the great brainwashed. Show us the proof that he said anything of the sort or shut your zionist mug. Cretin!!!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:25 | 2837471 Savyindallas
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what's a retard turd like you doing posting on this blog? Glad to have you here. We all need a good laugh. By the way -why stop with iran. Let's nuke Russia, China, Venezuela. And let's invade Canada - I really don't think they'd put up much of a fight. They have some great natural resources and some prime real estate--and mostly white people. Man , let's do it. .

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 03:32 | 2837850 bank guy in Brussels
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Two failed invasions of Canada already by the USA, in the 1700s and then early 1800s during the Napoleonic wars.

In Canada I remember seeing a statute of a woman, local Canadian hero, who walked several kilometres through rough terrain and bad weather to warn Canadian soldiers that the American invaders were coming. Her heroic warning helped defeat the American gringos.

The whole reason Canada got full independence from Britain in 1867, as a new kind of 'Dominion' nation in the Brit Commonwealth, was because after the Imperialist-Nationalist side won the American Civil War under Lincoln, they wanted to make Canada stronger to help discourage Americans from invading again.

Now, however, the Americans have just bought and bribed the Canadian quisling leaders ... no more Pierre Trudeau giving refuge to dissident Americans ... but that is another story

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:40 | 2839306 shovelhead
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None other than our old pal Benedict Arnold led the ill fated attempt to capture (the by now) British Quebec via the Chaudiere River.

Pity he apparently didn't understand that the English translation of Chaudiere is 'boiling kettle'.

Winter in Canada is no time to be shooting rapids with a bunch of landlubbers.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:55 | 2837421 UP4Liberty
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Yes indeed they are doing their best to incite a war with Iran...

Now more than ever with this type of conversation taking place:

http://www.dailypaul.com/256465/ahmadinejad-embraces-the-jews-rejects-zi...

These neocon psychopaths will not let anything stop them...God help us...

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 17:04 | 2840089 RichardP
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...God help us...

I believe the Bible states that God is intending to help Israel.  Perhaps you will live long enough to see whether that turns out to be true or not.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:52 | 2837414 Yen Cross
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 Are you jumping the SHARK?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:50 | 2837410 El
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I don't know, but nothing would shock me. Did anyone watch "Last Resort" tonight? I rarely watch television, but this was a really good show. I might have to start tuning in on Thursday nights. I suspect, however, that it might be cancelled. After all, with the restlessness in this country, they surely don't want to encourage that type of behavior. ;)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:02 | 2837431 Buck Johnson
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I thought about DVR'ing the show last night but I'm kinda glad I didn't waste the space.  Because after reading the plot of the show and what was done, I don't see this lasting more than 4 episodes.  In fact from wiki they have it going to three and no more.  I'm surprised that they where able to get ABC to allow this show on the air.  I totally agree with you that the atmosphere of this country is such that they don't want to encourage this behavior or any behavior that used a nuke.  This almost reminds me of the Jericho the television series from CBS that had a rogue element in the US plant nuclear devices in select cities and blew them up.

I still would like to know how did this show past muster to get the OK from ABC.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:44 | 2837400 Zer0head
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Will Iran  Blow Up Something and Falsely Blame It On Israel?

George, wtf is this? a Quinnipiac poll question directed to the residents of Jordan?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:37 | 2837382 f16hoser
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Sure they would. They had a hand-up in the World Trade Center. Just google: Mossad and 911. Enjoy!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:35 | 2837379 tony bonn
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and speaking of nukes, the bush crime syndicate used them in the wtc on 9/11.......

of course the usa - via the bcs and rockefeller axis of evil - are staging a fake assault on the usa as a casus belli - just as intelligence did in cuba in 1898...the israelis and saudis were initimately involved in 9/11 - and one of their own - bandar bush - was assassinated this august - pitty.....

hatred and foaming at the mouth are common discourse on the neocon tv networks - cnn and foxnews - with chief war mongerer bolton - can't think of the murderer's first name - always popping up on fox to stoke the fires....."we are seen as weak and our vacillation is only inviting more aggression." bolton can go fuck himself....

this wicked war of imperial aggression will only lead to disaster....the usa is being pulled into the cauldron sternly against the sage advice of the george washington I.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 06:52 | 2837985 Cosimo de Medici
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Prozac.  Ask your doctor if it's not right for you.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 03:50 | 2837868 Ar-Pharazôn
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"and speaking of nukes, the bush crime syndicate used them in the wtc on 9/11......."

 

lol no comment

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:34 | 2837590 bagehot99
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Yawn. Does it concern you at all that you sound as credible as Jesse Ventura? No? 

Nobody is being pulled into a cauldron. Iran is making choices, and the UN has regsitered its collective displeasure in the form of numerous sanctions. This confrontation is entirely of Iran's making - do you see Saudi Arabia and Qatar pursuing nuclear power? No, because they have their own crude oil, like Iran.

If you think Iran's intentions are peaceful or benign, you're a fucking idiot, and you are not listening to what IRAN herself is saying.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:06 | 2838577 mess nonster
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I have to agree with you. I think Iran wants a bomb. Pakistan has a couple. India has several. Israel has hundreds. Why can't Iran have one? Maybe if Iran had a bomb, Israel might not act so tough. Maybe if Iran had a bomb, the Wahab freaks trying to destabilize that country might back off. Maybe if Iran had a bomb, the UN will listen and the Palestinians would start to get some recognition. Maybe of Iran had a bomb, the US would be just a little more deferential... kind of like they are with North Korea.

Could it be possible that if Iran had a bomb tomorrow, this would be a benefit to world peace? What if Ronald Reagan was an Iranian? Peace through strength, isn't that what he said? Why can't this philosophy work for Iran?

But the truth is, if Iran had a bomb tomorrow, it would mean the destruction of Irael, even if that bomb was never detonated. Here's how it works. If Iran gets a bomb, the Palestinians get a state. Iranian strenght will galvanize world opinion. The US and Israel will be ignored. Palestine will get UN repesentation, and then global collective will will get the Pals a state as facts on the ground. It's really that simple. If the Pals get a state in the West Bank, then Israel's reason for existence is doomed. Without the WB, there can be no Israel. An Israel contained is like a cancer that cannot metastasize. A contained cancer will eventually shrink and disappear on its own, without any help. if Israel can't have the WB, Israel will tear itself apart in frustration. Without the WB, Irael won't last 20 years.

So yes, an Iranian bomb IS an existential threat to Israel. But it's one that shows Israel's existence to be built on a foundation of sand, on the vain dreams of Zionists who thought to defy the will of God and the dictates of virtue.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 08:49 | 2838038 f16hoser
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This is not about Iran using a NUKE on Israel. This is about Western (NATO) Powers Influence/Hegemony in the region. Iran with a Nuke balances the power in the Middle East. NATO doesn't want that so they are looking for any reason to invade Iran. If they can't provoke one they will "STAGE" one. Seriously, if Iran gets a nuke do you really think they would use it? Fuck no. If they did, the world would pounce on them in a NY minute. Would NATO nuke Iran? Hell no. We'll conventionally bomb them into submission and rape all their natural resources. That's what NATO wants. Also, Mossad has taken-out numerous Iranian scientists already. If they actually thought Ahmad was anything more than a fruitcake he would be snail food by now. Think all this through logically.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:00 | 2837619 tickhound
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do you see Saudi Arabia and Qatar pursuing nuclear power? No, because they have their own crude oil, like Iran.

And if they decide to one day pursue... Should we nuke 'em then?  So if you have oil, you're not allowed nukes?  So... Canada, we'll omit the depleting North Sea and the local communities there, China better not pull anything out of the ground, Russia lets give a pass, but the Ukraine?  Georgia?  Treading on thin ice you say.  How dare those sneaky fucks.

If you think our intentions around the world are peaceful, benign, not for profit, not commodity and resource based, aren't MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATE driven... Then YOU ARE THE FUCKING IDIOT. 

Confrontations like these aren't entirely of Iran's making... Neocons like yourself deserve credit too.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 06:09 | 2837960 Ying-Yang
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Saudi Arabia’s Nuclear Energy Ambitions http://theenergycollective.com/ansorg/63481/saudi-arabia-s-nuclear-energy-ambitions

Ignorance is bliss.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:25 | 2837579 Overfed
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No nukes in the WTC. Just good 'ol thermite and conventional explosives.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:04 | 2838910 FeralSerf
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That doesn't adequately explain the melted cars:

http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html

This doesn't mean I agree with Judy Wood's  directed energy weapon explanation either, but the phenomena needs an explanation that doesn't conflict with physical laws.  Burning jet fuels, of course, doesn't explain this either.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:04 | 2839353 Overfed
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I think anybody with any real world knowlege could pick Judy Woods' stuff apart. I kind of regard it as disinformation. So far out and easily picked apart that it makes the whole search for truth look like another tinfoil hat-wearer's delusion. Alex Jones, too. Breitbart was probably the real deal, hence his untimely "heart attack".

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:22 | 2839397 FeralSerf
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The photos of the burned cars and melted engines are not disinformation.  Any decent theory about the mechanism of destruction on 9/11 needs to account for all the evidence.  Her site, and the ones she links to, do have a lot of interesting photos.  Photos are getting difficult to find now.  They're being purged from the internet by the people that are interested in keeping the public ignorant I think.  Moreso now that there's finally beginning to be an awakening.

I don't know if Judy Wood is sincere or not or if she's been placed to disinform.  Her directed energy hypothesis (it doesn't qualify as a theory) is pretty far out.   As always, there needs to be some truth if one is to get one's lies accepted.  Not to say that she's lying, or not.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 00:33 | 2837695 palmereldritch
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Check out the 4th photo down in these high resolution photos released a few years ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249885/New-World-Trade-Center-9...

What does it look like the right-hand edge and side of the building is doing?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:31 | 2837369 Gashole
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If tomorrow Israel was nuked by Iran, plenty of people would say they had it coming and be glad in their hearts.  Tomorrow if Israel bombed Iran the same people would say it was unjustified.

Can't win. 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 05:06 | 2837926 Bringin It
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 can't win 

Try being nice for a change.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:04 | 2837308 George Washington
Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:56 | 2838512 Hedgetard55
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George,

 

     Go fuck yourself.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 21:59 | 2837428 Radical Marijuana
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It is hard to imagine how Israel could ever have come to exist and survive without the backing of the international bankers. It is only inside that context that the deliberate preparations for, and provoking, and carrying through of one war after another can be adequately understood.

Control over natural resources depends on control over money. Therefore, the ultimate war is for control of the money system, after which follows control of all other natural resources. The international bankers are basically a gang of trillionaire mass murders, who use every possible means to advance their agenda over the long-term, and "Israel" was another one of those means.

I do NOT think it is useful to talk about that as being Jewish, since that is just another misleading label, full of misdirections, and historical pit falls. I do NOT think that the majority of Israelis know about, or are able to control, what their government is doing, and even less can Israelis change what the international bankers plan and carry through.

Anyway, I do not believe it matters who they are, but rather, what they do. The international bankers have been directing almost everything happening in global politics for a few centuries, and their roots go back in time as far as history does!

So far, there is NOBODY able to offer anything that is a realistic and practical alternative to the systems run by the international bankers, by them being the supreme organized crime gang, who took control of the world's money supplies, and used that power to also take control of the politicians and mass media, almost everywhere.

Therefore, I think it is misleading and superficial to say that "Israel" is over-reacting. The international bankers are controlling Israel, as their tool. and those banksters have an agenda to consolidate their international hegemony of control over the global money supplies ... which means finding any possible excuses, and using any possible means, to destroy anybody who gets in their way!

Clearly Islam in general, and now Iran in particular, is in their way. Therefore, the countries that the banksters already control will be driven into a war with Iran, and whatever else it takes, to try to destroy Islam, and anything and everybody else that gets in the banksters way!

The banksters have already achieved the ultimate objective of organized crime, which is that they enjoy the power to legally counterfeit any amount of fiat money that they want, and almost everybody else is forced to accept that fait accompli. The banksters got that power through systematically implementing the methods of organized crime, for a long time, in every possible way, no matter how reckless and ruthless, and they appear to be relentless in continuing to do that.

Of course, that seems like an insane thing to everybody else, outside of that group of trillionaire mass murders. However, there is no other group that can actually offer anything better as a real alternative system.

The deeper problem is that human ecology MUST have some group which acts as the top carnivores. Human ecology MUST have some system of functions which achieve those necessary ecological imperatives. Therefore, anyone who does not like the international banksters controlling the world, and using tools like Israel to advance their agenda, should come up with some better ways to control the human ecology, and manage the emerging industrial ecology. Like I said, nobody anywhere, that I am aware of, is providing anything remotely like that at the present time. Furthermore, given the level of understanding and the attitudes of most of the world's population, at the present time, BETTER understanding of human ecology, in order to do that BETTER, is practically impossible. Therefore, we default back to the trillionaire mass murders, controlling the biggest countries, as well as Israel, to work through their agenda for how to control the world, through their runaway fiat money frauds, backed up with atomic bombs, for which they require that there be NO effective opposition that is allowed to stand against that anywhere, in any form.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:49 | 2839486 The Heart
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Wowie!

Must be some good stuff~!

This is a most profound and simple statement of the real deal babylonian truth here folks.

Thank you good one for putting this into short words of explanation so perfectly. May we encourage you to expound on your good and well shared Light.

If the People would stop hacking at the branches and instead go for the roots of the beast problem, it would be possible to find solutions and start from simple peaceful environments to begin anew without the babylonians money god system.

The greater picture might be found to be of more import as it effects the whole system and not just the pockets of elitist oligarchs.

Here is a report to consider and then ask, why is the babylonian govt preparing to go under into the tombs as we see so many other distractions in our faces?

http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/8679/2012/acp-12-8679-2012.pdf

Give thanks every day for the simple blessings you enjoy.

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Fri, 09/28/2012 - 13:45 | 2839480 omniversling
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 "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschil, Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:17 | 2837452 john39
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Achmadinijad clearly explained the alternstive in his speech to the UN general assembly.  and you do not have to be a muslim for thst vision to work. of course, the patadites must go first.  

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 22:49 | 2837507 Radical Marijuana
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"patadites" was not a word in the dictionary.

Therefore, I presume you meant parasites?

Your assertion is the classic Catch 22 kind of throw away line! It deliberately fails to deal with the innate and inherent double bind paradoxes found throughout all of ecology!

Predators and Parasites are practically the same.

The only difference between is in the packaging!

The ecological functions of the predator/parasites, in their relationship with their prey, are ubiquitous, and appear to automatically evolve in every ecology that lasts long enough.

Human civilization has been around long enough to allow for that kind of development. Different groups of human beings have evolved to fill different ecological niches. Both cultural and genetic evolution have selected for different kinds people. To over-simplify, for the sake of a metaphorical explanation, there is the large group of human beings that act like sheep, and the small group of human beings that act like wolves. (The astonishing thing is that the wolves and the sheep still interbreed, which demonstrates that this is even more a cultural evolution, although it does have genetic components.)

Anyway, the point is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of the predator/parasites. Something, somehow, has to fulfil those functions. Something, somehow, will evolve to fill those roles, given the opportunity.

It is basically silly, on so many levels, to say that "first the parasites must go."  All of the impossible ideals that propose that as solutions to profound social problems ALWAYS backfire badly, and actually cause the opposite to happen in the real world.

Militarism is the supreme ideology. If we want to displace the established banksters, then we must have a better murder system, doing better death controls, in order to have a better money system, doing better debt controls. Of course, I believe that is made much more imperative because our science has made everything else better understood, to the extent that our technologies are obviously trillions of times more powerful.

Sorry, but there is no way for the predator/parasites to be eliminated, and there are deep reasons WHY their functions exist, and need to exist. The prey do not do better without any limits, but rather just run into other limits, that could be worse than the established ones. Of course, theoretically, there could be better ways to impose limits upon ourselves, that made a genuinely greater use of information, through higher consciousness.

BUT, BUT, BUT, pretty well everywhere one actually looks in the real world today, that seems to require a prodigious series of political miracles, before that could happen ...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:41 | 2837601 john39
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sorry for the typo... was using a phone to type.

you assume that the current state of world is the natural order, I disagree.  You also assume that the current state of humanity is our point of highest evolution.  I also disagree.  Time is cyclical... and we are at a low point in this kali yuga...  Humanity was once much more than it is now, and has the potential to be so again.  we are more than animals, most of us that is... those who chose the path of materialism would seek to lower humanity to their level through whatever means possible. to divide us and enslave us. and they largely have succeeded.  but the solution to evil is not greater evil, it is the opposite.  virtue, and rediscovery of our divine nature (not empty religion)...  first and foremost, what was taken away from humanity so long ago must first be restored, then the real battle to restore this world to its full potential.   miracles? yes maybe...  time will tell.

 

 

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 09:45 | 2838450 mess nonster
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I agree that parasites can be purged. Take intestinal parasites for example. These nasty worms live in an environment that is unhealthy to the host. The host eats bad food- too much flesh, sugar, and fat, not enough vegetables, fruits, and fiber. The worms come in from the bad food and stay because they like to eat the bad food, and the conditions in the host for the propagation of parasites is enhanced by the bad food, lack of exercise, etc. Strangely enough, the worms actually act upon the host to make him want exactly the kind of food that the worms want. They also make him tired and depressed, so he doesn't want to exercise or change any of his habits.

The host can get rid of the worms by taking harsh chemicals, but this alone only creates an even better environment for worms to reinfect the host later.

However, if the host changes his diet, exercises, etc, the environment becomes intolerable for the worms. They are expelled, and cannot return.

Society is the same. Hitler tried the harsh chemical approach (literally) to getting rid of parasites, but it wouldn't have worked even if he had succeeded, and what he did actually made the parasite problem worse. The parasites infect our social system. They make us want pornography, trash media, GMO food, and debt, and then they thrive on our economic malaise and social depression.

All we need to do is reform our social habits, embrace virtue, and avoid the media garbage the parasites try to feed us, and the environment becomes intolerable for them. Maybe they never entirely go away, but like a herpes virus in a vigorous healthy person, they simply dont have an opportunity to come out of their hiding place to annoy the greater being.

Case in point: I started a non-profit. i watched it get taken over by members of a particular ethnic minority, who skewed the non-profit's focus and destroyed its mission, so I resigned. I started a Bible Study group, and none of these people ever showed up.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:51 | 2838839 FeralSerf
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The Bible was written by parasites.  It enabled a whole new much larger empire of parasites, beginning with Emperor  (and Acting Pope) Constantine.

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 15:57 | 2839889 john39
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what is really interesting about the bible is the fact that the first five books, claimed by Judaism, are actually from much older Summarian stories... and yet somehow we end up with a different set of people claiming to be chosen by God....  kinda makes you wonder...

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 23:52 | 2837626 Radical Marijuana
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Speaking of the Kali Yuga,

I like many of articles here:

http://cosmicconvergence.org/

Their articles mention ideas like yours.

I WISH I still believed what you say...

I HOPE that I am proven to be wrong!

Fri, 09/28/2012 - 10:44 | 2838799 FeralSerf
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Nature abhors a vacuum.  There will always be criminals, people that find it easier and more fruitful to steal rather than work for a living.

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