The SAME Unaccountable Government Agency Which Spies on ALL Americans Also Decides Who Gets ASSASSINATED by Drones

George Washington's picture

“The [Government Agency] — Now Vested With The Power To Determine The Proper ‘Disposition’ Of Terrorist Suspects — Is The SAME AGENCY That Is At The Center Of The Ubiquitous, Unaccountable Surveillance State Aimed At American Citizens.”

The Washington Post reports that the same agency which spies on all Americans also decides who is assassinated by drone or otherwise:

Over the past two years, the Obama administration has been secretly developing a new blueprint for pursuing terrorists, a next-generation targeting list called the “disposition matrix.”


The matrix contains the names of terrorism suspects arrayed against an accounting of the resources being marshaled to track them down, including sealed indictments and clandestine operations. U.S. officials said the database is designed to go beyond existing kill lists, mapping plans for the “disposition” of suspects beyond the reach of American drones.


Among senior Obama administration officials, there is a broad consensus that such operations are likely to be extended at least another decade. Given the way al-Qaeda continues to metastasize, some officials said no clear end is in sight.




Obama has institutionalized the highly classified practice of targeted killing, transforming ad-hoc elements into a counterterrorism infrastructure capable of sustaining a seemingly permanent war.




White House counterterrorism adviser John O. Brennan is seeking to codify the administration’s approach to generating capture/kill lists, part of a broader effort to guide future administrations through the counterterrorism processes that Obama has embraced.




The United States now operates multiple drone programs, including acknowledged U.S. military patrols over conflict zones in Afghanistan and Libya, and classified CIA surveillance flights over Iran.


Strikes against al-Qaeda, however, are carried out under secret lethal programs involving the CIA and JSOC. The matrix was developed by the NCTC [the National Counterterrorism Center], under former director Michael Leiter, to augment those organizations’ separate but overlapping kill lists, officials said.




The result is a single, continually evolving database in which biographies, locations, known associates and affiliated organizations are all catalogued. So are strategies for taking targets down, including extradition requests, capture operations and drone patrols.




The database is meant to map out contingencies, creating an operational menu that spells out each agency’s role in case a suspect surfaces in an unexpected spot. “If he’s in Saudi Arabia, pick up with the Saudis,” the former official said. “If traveling overseas to al-Shabaab [in Somalia] we can pick him up by ship. If in Yemen, kill or have the Yemenis pick him up.”




The administration has also elevated the role of the NCTC, which was conceived as a clearinghouse for threat data and has no operational capability. Under Brennan, who served as its founding director, the center has emerged as a targeting hub.

As Glenn Greenwald notes:

The central role played by the NCTC in determining who should be killed – “It is the keeper of the criteria,” says one official to the Post – is, by itself, rather odious. As Kade Crockford of the ACLU of Massachusetts noted in response to this story, the ACLU has long warned that the real purpose of the NCTC – despite its nominal focus on terrorism – is the “massive, secretive data collection and mining of trillions of points of data about most people in the United States”.


In particular, the NCTC operates a gigantic data-mining operation, in which all sorts of information about innocent Americans is systematically monitored, stored, and analyzed. This includes “records from law enforcement investigations, health information, employment history, travel and student records” – “literally anything the government collects would be fair game”. In other words, the NCTC – now vested with the power to determine the proper “disposition” of terrorist suspects – is the same agency that is at the center of the ubiquitous, unaccountable surveillance state aimed at American citizens.


Worse still, as the ACLU’s legislative counsel Chris Calabrese documented back in July in a must-read analysis, Obama officials very recently abolished safeguards on how this information can be used. Whereas the agency, during the Bush years, was barred from storing non-terrorist-related information about innocent Americans for more than 180 days – a limit which “meant that NCTC was dissuaded from collecting large databases filled with information on innocent Americans” – it is now free to do so. Obama officials eliminated this constraint by authorizing the NCTC “to collect and ‘continually assess’ information on innocent Americans for up to five years”.


And, as usual, this agency engages in these incredibly powerful and invasive processes with virtually no democratic accountability:

“All of this is happening with very little oversight. Controls over the NCTC are mostly internal to the DNI’s office, and important oversight bodies such as Congress and the President’s Intelligence Oversight Board aren’t notified even of ‘significant’ failures to comply with the Guidelines. Fundamental legal protections are being sidestepped. For example, under the new guidelines, Privacy Act notices (legal requirements to describe how databases are used) must be completed by the agency that collected the information. This is in spite of the fact that those agencies have no idea what NCTC is actually doing with the information once it collects it.


“All of this amounts to a reboot of the Total Information Awareness Program that Americans rejected so vigorously right after 9/11.

What has been created here – permanently institutionalized – is a highly secretive executive branch agency that simultaneously engages in two functions: (1) it collects and analyzes massive amounts of surveillance data about all Americans without any judicial review let alone search warrants, and (2) creates and implements a “matrix” that determines the “disposition” of suspects, up to and including execution, without a whiff of due process or oversight. It is simultaneously a surveillance state and a secretive, unaccountable judicial body that analyzes who you are and then decrees what should be done with you, how you should be “disposed” of, beyond the reach of any minimal accountability or transparency.

Americans on U.S. Soil May Be Targeted

This might be acceptable if the U.S. government was only targeting really bad guys, and if drones were not being used inside the borders of America itself.

But drones are becoming pervasive within the U.S.  Indeed, some of the numerous drones flying over American soil – projected by the FAA to reach 30,000 drones by 2020 – are starting to carry arms.

When torture memo writer John Yoo was asked last year whether drones could kill people within the United States, he replied yes – if we were in a time of war:

(Of course, since the U.S. has declared a perpetual war – and see this-  drones will always be in fashion.)

Indeed, the military now considers the U.S. homeland to be a battlefield.  The U.S. is already allowing military operations within the United States.    Indeed, the Army is already being deployed on U.S. soil, and the military is conducting numerous training exercises on American streets. And see this.

Government officials have said that Americans can be targets in the war on terror.   Obama has authorized “targeted assassinations” against U.S. citizens.

And it is not very comforting that the U.S. government labels just about every U.S. citizen as a potential terrorists.

The U.S. Activates Skynet

In the Terminator science fiction series, computers and machines – organized by “Skynet” – track people down who threaten the status quo of the machines and then selectively assassinate them.

The powers given to the NCTC remind me of Skynet. Especially given how fast the military is advancing its robotic capablities:

  They remind others of The Matrix.

Greenwald comments on the machine-like aspect the NCTC’s operations:

The Council on Foreign Relations’ Micah Zenko, writing today about the Post article, reports:

“Recently, I spoke to a military official with extensive and wide-ranging experience in the special operations world, and who has had direct exposure to the targeted killing program. To emphasize how easy targeted killings by special operations forces or drones has become, this official flicked his hand back over and over, stating: ‘It really is like swatting flies. We can do it forever easily and you feel nothing. But how often do you really think about killing a fly?’”

That is disturbingly consistent with prior reports that the military’s term for drone victims is “bug splat”. This – this warped power and the accompanying dehumanizing mindset – is what is being institutionalized as a permanent fixture in American political life by the current president.




At Wired, Spencer Ackerman reacts to the Post article with an analysis entitled “President Romney Can Thank Obama for His Permanent Robotic Death List”. Here is his concluding paragraph:

“Obama did not run for president to preside over the codification of a global war fought in secret. But that’s his legacy. . . . Micah Zenko at the Council on Foreign Relations writes that Obama’s predecessors in the Bush administration ‘were actually much more conscious and thoughtful about the long-term implications of targeted killings’, because they feared the political consequences that might come when the U.S. embraces something at least superficially similar to assassination. Whoever follows Obama in the Oval Office can thank him for proving those consequences don’t meaningfully exist — as he or she reviews the backlog of names on the Disposition Matrix.”

But one thing is clear.  Warmongering is always good for the super-elite, and bad for everyone else … And it destroys freedom and prosperity.

Given that the national security apparatus has been hijacked to serve the needs of big business and to crush dissent, it’s not far-fetched to think that information gained from drones will be used for purposes that are not necessarily in the best interests of the American people.

As Greenwald notes:

The core guarantee of western justice since the Magna Carta was codified in the US by the fifth amendment to the constitution: “No person shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” You simply cannot have a free society, a worthwhile political system, without that guarantee, that constraint on the ultimate abusive state power, being honored.


And yet what the Post is describing, what we have had for years, is a system of government that – without hyperbole – is the very antithesis of that liberty. It is literally impossible to imagine a more violent repudiation of the basic blueprint of the republic than the development of a secretive, totally unaccountable executive branch agency that simultaneously collects information about all citizens and then applies a “disposition matrix” to determine what punishment should be meted out. This is classic political dystopia brought to reality (despite how compelled such a conclusion is by these indisputable facts, many Americans will view such a claim as an exaggeration, paranoia, or worse because of this psychological dynamic I described here which leads many good passive westerners to believe that true oppression, by definition, is something that happens only elsewhere).




As the Founders all recognized, nothing vests elites with power – and profit – more than a state of war. That is why there were supposed to be substantial barriers to having them start and continue – the need for a Congressional declaration, the constitutional bar on funding the military for more than two years at a time, the prohibition on standing armies, etc. Here is how John Jay put it in Federalist No 4:

“It is too true, however disgraceful it may be to human nature, that nations in general will make war whenever they have a prospect of getting anything by it; nay, absolute monarchs will often make war when their nations are to get nothing by it, but for the purposes and objects merely personal, such as thirst for military glory, revenge for personal affronts, ambition, or private compacts to aggrandize or support their particular families or partisans. These and a variety of other motives, which affect only the mind of the sovereign, often lead him to engage in wars not sanctified by justice or the voice and interests of his people.”

In sum, there are factions in many governments that crave a state of endless war because that is when power is least constrained and profit most abundant. What the Post is reporting is yet another significant step toward that state, and it is undoubtedly driven, at least on the part of some, by a self-interested desire to ensure the continuation of endless war and the powers and benefits it vests. So to answer Hayes’ question: the endless expansion of a kill list and the unaccountable, always-expanding powers needed to implement it does indeed represent a great success for many. Read what John Jay wrote in the above passage to see why that is, and why few, if any, political developments should be regarded as more pernicious.

Note: While it may be tempting to say that spying and assassination are part of the new “post-9/11 reality”,  widespread spying on Americans, assassination, militarization of the police, the Patriot Act, indefinite detention,  and most of the other abuses were launched or contemplated long before 9/11.

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cbhattarai's picture

If this happens, then the surveillance and security will be all lost...

Sincerely Human's picture
Hello George Washington, Tylers,

Thank you very much for the genuine effort. Must admit that some of the stuff is way above my head, but access to information and desire are an opportunity for freedom for an individual again thank you.

Consider your work to be the most sincere voice out there today, since inception in 2009 have been following at least for five times a day never commented, as I have had many opportunities but not enough of a reason, because truly all opinions ALL topics are very expressed & Discussed.

I am from Montreal and I have finally found something that I feel compelled to share with the Internet, and especially my fellow north Americans.

This has been written as a declaration in response to the events in Quebec.

I believe that each individual can truly improve his life and that of his community by making this notarized declaration.

I ask you to please consider posting this as an example:!/pages/Humannotcitizen/111621355653427?fref=ts
cbhattarai's picture

As if all of them have lost their surveillance and security at this...

Joe Davola's picture

I think it was John Jay who wrote that too much bold in the comments is just annoying.

dexter_morgan's picture

Weird, I was just watching the following video before firing up ZH.......

When was the 'kill list' of the President's created, and who exactly is on it? How does one get on it? If an underage US citizen can be killed in another country...........why couldn't it happen here?

Where is the media firestorm over this?




omniversling's picture

MSM is .gov mouthpiece, and indy journos already know they're on the list...? Like ZHers...

rwe2late's picture

C'mon, there's no need for concern.

...our responsibility to history is already clear: to … rid the world of evil.''

-Pres. George W. Bush 9-14-2001

And the equivalent, more oblique:

“I will never hesitate to use our military swiftly, decisively, and unilaterally when necessary to defend our people, our homeland, our allies and our core interests. ...
There will be times, though, when our safety is not directly threatened, but our interests and our values are.”

- Pres. Barack Obama 3-28-2011

Of course, US allies can be drug lords, sheikhdoms, dictators, oligarchies, apartheid regimes, and other tyrannies which require defending. And “our interests” and “our values” may need to be defined flexibly, and applied selectively, pragmatically, and according to what "our" leaders determine as reality.

But so long as one steers clear of posing any threat, directly or indirectly, to any of the foregoing, there is no need for concern.

Nor is there any likelihood for error, no more than with the no-fly list or voter registration lists.

Regrettably, innocent persons may have to be killed or suffer to achieve US government goals.

But we are assured that is a price worth paying, and thus no cause for guilt.

The drone killings and special death squad assassinations must continue until all US and allied interests are achieved, and no longer directly or indirectly threatened.

Why do they hate us when our government is only protecting world "freedom“?

Obviously, they are simply too biased to understand how important world "freedom" is to the US government.

Or so we are told.

Oldrepublic's picture

Just an update on traditional fascist death squads with computers

falak pema's picture

Skynet is much worse than Skyfall!

And probably less efficient. At least James knows who to shoot at.

In Syria the rebels are all abetted by Al-Qaeda fundamentalists, like in Libya and maybe in Tahrir Square.

"Who do we shoot at?" Ask their CIA men on the ground. "The El-Assad lot or the Al-Qaeda lot?"

Very difficult to connect all the dots. This is looking more and more like a meltdown on CIA side. No wonder Assad looks so cool at his prayers. 

"Just keep shooting until you run out of bullets", rifles the top gun guy.

Obammy just raised a billion for his last ditch campaign. None of it ofcourse is for the bullets. 

Gully Foyle's picture

falak pema

You missed the obvious, ALL agencies play and pay ALL sides.

Even when there is a decisive victory opposition assets are still maintained for potential future need.

Why is everyone so linear when discussing power and those who wield it?

falak pema's picture

right brother, the USA is Al-Qaeda, as it is China; etc. etc. etc. 

One big happy family. True at the TOP, and the agencies do the legwork for them, so they play all sides like their bosses.

I  and most of those here are not in that happy few category. Makes all the difference. 

Circular world, and the games they  play, its not chess, its GO! 

Skynet is their tool and our pain. You hit the button on that. But its all done with OUR money...

But, as the past shows us, thieves always fall out. This Oligarchy will be no different. WHen push comes to shove. I'll bet my bubbly on that! 

spanish inquisition's picture

Soooo, I should be suspicious if I get an invite from ZH for party that is located in the middle of my State at a bar surrounded by a swamp? Check.

Gully Foyle's picture

spanish inquisition

No, that would be a Guns and Gold Preppers party.

Blowing people up is a last resort.

Acquiring an asset is priceless.

Mamzer Ben Zonah's picture

We are creating enemies faster than we can kill them.

omniversling's picture

not for long...on which date DOES Skynet become conscious...?

Gully Foyle's picture

Mamzer Ben Zonah

At what point have we not created far more enemies than we could kill?

Parrotile's picture

Well, seeing as the current US Nuclear arsenal (2468 warheads at immediate launch-readiness in 2010) would be more than sufficient to cauterise ALL multicellular life on the land surface of this planet, I don't really think the US has a problem in "having more enemies than they can kill".

A problem in destroying the entire planetary ecosystem maybe, but too many enemies to kill? "No Problem!"

MickV's picture

John Jay's letter to G. Washington was the impetus of the natural born Citizens requirement of the President:

New York 25 July 1787

"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen".

He wrote FIVE Federalist Papers on the dangers of foreign influence, and Washington also warned direly of it in his farewell speech. He also warned of "change by Usurpation".

The Presidency has been Usurped by a foreigner. Obama was born British, of a British subject Kenyan father who was married to his mother. He may indeed be British to this day, doing the bidding of the Rothchild Central Bankers, and overseeing the repatriation of the US to Britain. What passport did he travel to Pakistan, a British Commonwealth, in 1982? If he traveled on a British passport then he is certainly STILL British, as he would have sworn allegiance to Britain at the age of majority. British Common Law practices Perpetual Allegiance. Why are we not allowed to see those records? Why was the last person that did murdered?

Only those born of singular allegiance to the US are eligible to be President since the ratification of the Constitution (1787). That means those born of foreign parents are not eligible. It is a security requirement designed to ensure allegiance and attachment to America. Does Obama seem to have any allegiance to America? He is EXACTLY the type, born of a foreign father, and raised in a rats den of America hating Communists, Marxists, and Islamists, that the founders were preventing from the Presidency.

"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners". ---Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (1874), US Supreme Court.

The first American Republic can only be restored by the realization of the ineligibility of the Usurper, who is committing treason. He is being protected by the equally treasonous Congress, Judiciary and Useful Idiot media propagandists. Only then will the nightmare of his illegal Presidency be erased, and all signatures, executive orders and appointments voided.

When are you all going to get it? There is no law and no Constitution when the President, who is the executor of the laws, is illigitimate. Can it be any more plain?-- Look around.


john39's picture

same rationale should apply throughout upper levels of government. allowing dual nationals to flood into government is as idiotic and insane as allowing a private baking cartel to control the currency.  a big clue here, US law only allows the citizens of one other country to infiltrate government-israel.

Peter Pan's picture

America is about to lead the world in new and exciting uses of technology. Drones will be used to hunt down school students who are truanting. RFID's will be implanted in all workers to ensure that when sick days are taken, they are not in some shoppng centre or at some beach. All vehicles will be fitted with trackers and will automatically issue the driver with a speeding ticket whenever they have exceeded the speed limit for more than 2 seconds. Further down the track people will be fitted with recording devices to record their every word. So much potential and yet so many difficult citizens who cannot see the benefits.

Gully Foyle's picture

Peter Pan

Dude watch the Wire episode on truant kids. That is the blueprint.

Who gives a shit about rapid technological growth?

It all is hackable, from both the inside and the outside.

People forget that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and according to Entropy the more you attempt to create order the more chaos arises.

Heyoka Bianco's picture

GW has some great posts, but I think he chose the wrong paragon of virtue from the heroic past for his name. He should have called himself Sir Links-a-lot.

"That is disturbingly consistent with prior reports that the military’s term for drone victims is “bug splat”. This – this warped power and the accompanying dehumanizing mindset – is what is being institutionalized as a permanent fixture in American political life by the current president."

Recently there was an op-ed of the opinion that because the armed forces are moving away from the "troops on the ground" approach, and thus physical power was less important, the more "mature and clear-headed" female of the species would be better suited to the military. She specifically mentioned the increased use of drones (apparently she knows nothing of the importance of decades of video games in making good drone operators). Draw what conclusions you will from the juxtaposition of that logic with the worrying reality of the quote above.

Gully Foyle's picture

Heyoka Bianco

"Recently there was an op-ed of the opinion that because the armed forces are moving away from the "troops on the ground" approach, and thus physical power was less important, the more "mature and clear-headed" female of the species would be better suited to the military."

Yawn, Frank Herbert covered that in one of the Dune books over thirty years ago.


The Heart's picture

Good Morning to you all.

Here is something you all must know. Our govt is getting ready to not only declare more war on Syria, Iran, Russia, and China, but also they are going to declare war on you, the American people. What kind of evil insanity is running this ship into the ground is well known and yet, the stupid sheeple keep electing these psychopathic-things who profit from war, kow-tow to the zionist agenda, and have us ALL on the hell bound train to kill America fast.

At last, someone with some real fortitude explains it to you all in “JWO Unmasked” It’s all one who actually cares needs to KNOW and UNDERSTAND.

For years we have told people what is coming and have tried to prepare them to grow foods and provide for themselves. For years we have told you that the US Military (“stupid useless brutes"-kissenger) have been set up to lose a world war by being depleted and worn down after ten years of going all over the world being nazi germany 2.0 on steroids. The mission has been accomplished. Americans are hated all over the world. When america falls to itself and the stupidity of the brainwashed multitudes, the world will rejoice. Whoa unto you o’ israel. (Here israel means, God’s people)

You all better tell the military they better stop killing and murdering for the rothschild bankster empire of elitists and globalist zionist oligarch pigs and their god money because they are ALL BEING SET UP FOR Nuremberg type trials in the courts of the new world order at the Hague. When it is all over and they have performed the evils they are being ordered to do, the globalist will turn on them and arrest all WHO ARE LEFT that partook in the atrocities, war crimes, and murders they are being ordered to do. Remember military guys and girls, following orders was NOT an excuse for the evil wickedness and killing performed by those nazi’s at Nuremberg. They hung! And, what part of “Thou shalt not Kill” do you not understand?

America, know your enemy. Here is a scary truth that was foretold. We said many years ago during the Iraq invasion that the “Juba” sniper videos on the net were done by the zionists to kick up anger amongst the troops and those at home (usa) that saw them. It worked well. We told you that the idf were the only ones with camera scope technology at the time and spoke to this exact reason for doing the evil sniper killing. (Put “Juba” into the U-tube search)

From the article below:

“One IDF sniper team has spread stories around Israel that they killed 400 American troops inside Iraq.”

“They brag about it constantly. It gets back. We are not deaf.”

By deception they make war for the profiteering puppeteers. What is a real shame is how israel has also been set up to go down and most Jewish people do not understand they are also tagged as useless eaters and breathers and are on the slate to be part of the population reduction agenda. Zionist stooges WILL fall to zionist evil.

In this time and age information can be the difference between life and death. Knowledge is power if you use it. Most people do not believe in death so they live their lives in a melancholy of disillusionment that thinks like we will be in Disneyland forever. If you ever saw war or real dead in your face, you would hear this voice seriously. What fools people are to ignore the real facts and actual signs of what is coming.

What is even more sad is seeing so many struggling and stressing things like school when in the not to distant future, it will not matter at all. It's like learning to be a brain surgeon, and then suddenly being thrown into a rugby ball game. Mere survival alone will be the most important thing on most people minds. Food will be used as a weapon to disarm and quell the hungry masses whose god has suddenly become the stomach. Many will perish because they refused to see the light and prepare for what is coming. May God have mercy on a civilization that allows this evil to succumb them.

Read this new important story that tells you what is coming and pass it on. Most of all, start preparing for the well planned martial law clamp down, loss of freedom, and an end to normal daily commerce. Help your neighbors too. When the stores close and there is no food or supply, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? Are you ready for this??

National Guard Whistleblower: “Doomsday Preppers Will Be Treated As Terrorists”:

Can it all be stopped?

Please people of the world, it is not too late to learn to live in peace as one people with individual purposes, identity, liberty, and free state governments. Take Iceland for an example. Only the globalist zionist banksters keep us all divided and separate living in shortages for higher profits. There is plenty to share and everyone world wide can have plenty. We must all know that in spirit, or what we are, we are all One and we can all get along just fine without the banksters and their puppets, the murdering evil war profiteers and plunderers for their god money.

Pray that those who are part of this money-god beast and the evil falling empire it is, see the light and DO the right thing when the time comes to act. Wield your double-edged swords for truth and real justice. Pray that real law enforcement people DO their job because corruption, theft, graft, killing and murdering, and anything contrary to the US and State Constitutions that harm anyone or any property is still against the Common Law and NULL AND VOID no matter what they tell you, or get you to actually believe. Know ye this truth; satan is an evil trickster.

May God (Love) and the angels guide you ALL but most of all, may you get jiggity NOW and prepare yourself mentally, physically, and spiritually for what is really possibly coming...soon!

Bless'ed Light and Love to drive it home....Home is in the Heart.


bigbwana's picture

Dear Heart. The Illuminati control the Zionists! The Zionists are naught but a soicety of minions. The Illuminati control this planet, and came very near to a NWO. We are reliably informed a false-flag attack had been planned, eliminating 6,500,000 Souls! This evil plan has been crushed by the Galactic Federation (Google). Spread the wondrous news!

RealFinney's picture

The Galactic Federation have already been infilrated by cats paws of the Valusian Snakemen who are spreading their influence across the globe via unsolicited credit card offers and pizza menus soaked in mind altering chemicals (Google). Do not touch these with bare skin during disposal!

Gully Foyle's picture


Fuck that shit!

It's the goddamned Daleks. They can hop forward and backward in time to manipulate events.

Clashfan's picture

Greenwald is a good writer. :)

Thought you and your readers might enjoy this link if you don't know about it, GW:

The first article makes half of a point (could be even stronger) that I think, second to the collapse speeds, is the strongest evidence that something's afoul. Anyhow, it's a good online publication on the subject of 911, peer reviewed.


Oh--and "as a potential terrorists?" I don't think you want that. ;)

hedgehog9999's picture

Behave Bitchezz!!!

Heil Obummer!!!

JR's picture

If Americans ignore the bullet that this US/Israeli rogue government holds to the head of millions of Muslim innocents, inevitably, they will fail to see the bullet to our head.

Americans either take back their government and radically alter course or desolation awaits the land. Paul Craig Roberts in his piece, “In Amerika There Will Never Be a Real Debate,” today sounds the warning that “all that is required to terminate the liberty and life of an American citizen by his own government is an unaccountable decision somewhere in the executive branch.”

Here is an excerpt:

In the eleven years since 9/11, acts of domestic terrorism have been miniscule if they even exist. What justifies the enormous and expensive Department of Homeland Security? Why does Homeland Security have military-equipped Special Response Teams with armored vehicles? Who are the targets of these militarized units? If eleven years of US government murder, maiming, and displacement of millions of Muslims hasn’t provoked massive acts of domestic terrorism, why is Homeland Security creating a domestic armed force of its own? Why are there no congressional hearings and no public discussion? How can a government whose budget is deep in the red afford a second military force with no defined and Constitutionally legal purpose?

What is Homeland Security’s motivation in creating a Homeland Youth? Is the new FEMA Corps a disguise for a more sinister purpose, a Hitler Youth as Internet sites suggest? Are the massive ammunition purchases by Homeland Security related to the raising of a nationwide corps of 18- to 24-year-olds? How can so much be going on in front of our eyes with no questions asked?

Why did not Romney ask Obama why he is working to overturn the federal court’s ruling that US citizens cannot be subject to indefinite detention in violation of the US Constitution? Is it because Romney and his neoconservative advisers agree with Obama and his advisers? If so, then why is one tyrant better than another?

Why has the US constructed a network of detainment camps, for which it is hiring “internment specialists”?

Why does the US Army now have a policy for “establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations”? ...

How did the presidential debates avoid the fact of Predator Drones flying over us here in the domestic United States of America? What is the purpose of this? Why are the smallest police forces in the most remote of locations being equipped with armored cars? I have seen them. In small lilly-white communities north of Atlanta, Georgia, communities of sub-million dollar MacMansions have militarized police with armored cars and automatic weapons. SWAT teams in full military gear are everywhere. What is it all about? These small semi-rural areas will never see a terrorist or experience a hostage situation. Yet, they are all armed to the teeth. They are so heavily armed that they could be sent into combat against the Third Reich or the Red Army…

In the 21st century, US citizens became nonentities. They are brutalized by the police whose incomes their taxes pay. They, for protesting some injustice or for no cause at all, are beaten, arrested, tasered and even murdered. The police, paid by the public, beat up paralyzed people in wheel chairs, frame those who call them for help against criminals, taser grandmothers and small children, and shoot down in cold blood unarmed citizens who have done nothing except lose control of themselves, either through alcohol, drugs, or rage.

Brainwashed Americans pay large taxes at every level of government for protection against gratuitous violence, but what their taxes support is gratuitous violence against themselves. Every American, except for the small number of mega-rich who control Washington, can be arrested and dispossessed, both liberty and property, on the basis of nothing but an allegation of a member of the executive branch...

In America today, law serves the powerful, not justice. In effect, there is no law, and there is no justice. Only unaccountable power…

Oldwood's picture

The same as it's ever been. And the people who try to fix it become everything they were trying to eliminate. There will always be the belief that the appropriate use of power combined with the efficiencies of scale can save us, but it always becomes the tool used against freedom. Freedom always becomes the enemy.

Conax's picture

“When the police break the law, there is no law. Only a fight for survival." ~ Billy Jack

Some of these fictional characters know their shit.

Gully Foyle's picture


Could be because Billy Jack was an INDIAN.

How many people here ever mention Leonard Peltier in their anti-government rants?

How many people here care what happens in Indian and Black communities?

Nope all they give a shit about is how their tax money is going to pay some disabled vets medical and food, and how easy Fat White Women at WALMART are to hate.

Lore's picture

So much for the First Commandment. And national sovereignty. Acts of war are all in a day's work.


"Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead." I Peter 4:5

"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom." II Timothy 4:1

bigbwana's picture

Lore, you might be interested in the2012scenario; aquariouschanellings; are but two sites; which formally announce the Galactic Fedration, in our skies. Here for Acension on 21/12/2101. Spread the Light/Love. God bless you. 

Lore's picture

"Galactic Federation"

If it involves warp drive, I'm in.

logicalman's picture

Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad

I think the 'mad' thing has already happened - waiting for the result.

Kitler's picture

A day will surely come when the entire process will become completely automated.

It would probably be more cost effective just to chip everyone with a micro ricin administrating device. Drones and Hellfires missiles can get pricey when there is plenty of killi... er... protecting to do!

dvfco's picture

I'm 42, but my childhood ended when John McCain voted in favor of allowing the president to have the right to incarcerate American Citizens deemed to be threats to 'national security' well, forever.  He also voted in favor of allowing the killing of American Citizens without due process (i.e. drone strikes).

Why did I feel any differently about his vote compared with the votes of the typical D.C. slime?  I'll tell you why.  John McCain spent several years in the Hanoi Hilton in the cell adjacent to a lifelong friend of my father.  After 7+ years (longer than the streak Cal Ripkin has in showing up to play baseball - and be paid), and daily beating and torture, Captain Stratton and McCain were eventually released to a grateful American public (for the most part).

If you ever want to know what these guys endured, read Prisoner At War - which is Richard Stratton's story of being captured, tortured, going through the ordeal with that little whore married to Ted Turner, etc.  You'll never forget it.

After being a prisoner of war - how do you give your president the right to hold anyone he deems a threat for any length of time deemed appropriate?  And, how do you allow him to drone strike someone who could be your mom or brother, mistaken for a terrorist?

What is worse is that they want to make you feel secure by saying, "We'd never allow that to happen.  We'd only do this to someone about whom we had obtained so much detailed information that we felt sure he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."   

Well, if they're willing to do that kind of research on someone who might look like me or you, do you really think you have any freedom?  And, how do you live in the Hanoi Hilton and agree this is good way to move forward in Amerika?

It's scary, yes, but it is more sad.  If Obama gets the boot, and I pray every day he will, I think I'll convert to Mormonism (even though I know they didn't find those tablet's in my uncle' backyard upstate NY) and hide in the big white building in SLC, Utah.

Good luck to us all if that futher-mucker gets re-elected.  He won't have to kill us.  we'll be dying of starvation due to his governance. As his dumb-fuck, tooth VP said after passing health-care (without reading it) "This is a big fucking deal." We're on the wrong end of a fixed game.

It's time for our armed forced to uphold the Constitution.

Gully Foyle's picture


Your childhood didn't end when Bob Dole wanted to give twelve year olds the death penalty?

How about when they duct taped Bobby Seal to a chair, and duct taped his mouth shut, during the Chicago seven trial?

Or maybe when they dropped a bomb on those MOVE people and burned down a few square blocks?

acrabbe's picture

I was the down vote. Preaching partisanship = typical fucktardian behavior. Great speech, but you think Romney is a better solution?????? Are you fucking serious????? THIS is why America is fucked. Seemingly enlightened americans still inspecting their own anal cavities while chewing on their own toenails

jballz's picture


What is really sad to me, is that you can so clearly observe the betrayal of America that is the NDAA, and even objectively accept that McCain voted for it. But in fact McCain introduced the legislation personally, it was his bill.


Lest we forget. But the sad part, is that you can continue on and honestly be wanting Obama's removal, which is to further strengthen the right, and you seem to honestly believe this will change something.

There is only one conclusion to be drawn. Some will call it cognitive dissonance. But that is a kind euphemism. You are simply too stupid not to be treated like a sheep. And you are probably a very average person. ANd thus, someone who is only a little smarter than you, like Obama for instance, can look around and think "these aren't people, these are stupid fucking sheep". And McCain can wink and nod. ANd then they can sit in office their whole lives and sheer you and sheer you and sheer you. Because you are too fucking stupid to do anything about it but bleat. And vote for the "other" guy.


good luck. You have the government you deserve.


jballz's picture


Tell you what. Next time you want to lament about these things, pause. Go find a mirror. look into it deeply and repeat out loud the following:

"This country is in trouble because I suck right wing cock."

And you keep repeating that as many times as you need to until the urge passes.


Truth. Harsh, ain't it?

Oldwood's picture

It seems that politician's contempt for the sheep is only exceeded by your own. Your vulgarity demonstrates your own arrogance and contempt. You obviously see yourself as the smartest person in the room and are exactly what the world doesn't need more of.

Lore's picture

"It's time for our armed forces to uphold the Constitution."

It would be interesting to learn how the ranks are adjusting to the rapid change in culture.

Thisson's picture

A large portion of our armed forces wouldn't even be capable of reading and comprehending the constitution, these days, our educational system being what it is.  Sad but true.

john39's picture

painful but true, romney is not going to save you from obama.  they are both actors, playing a role in getting you to believe that there is a hope for better times in the future.  in the end, they serve the same masters, and we are all serfs.  the system has long used common man soldier as so much meat to enforce the control system.  medal for the maimed, flag for dead...  its all hollow and empty.  now that the U.S. has been sucked dry, they intend to collapse the country into an orwellien nightmare of poverty and oppression, all to cover their tracks and ensure perpetual control.  it doesn't have to end that way.  but to stop it, people need to wake up and see through the illusions...  see the criminals for what they really are...

Clashfan's picture

Good luck with that one.

Wish in one hand....

tony bonn's picture

a vote for obamney is a vote for terrorism......

al qaeda is a cia mercenary army developed to wage perpetual war and to create permanent seige and fear for subjugation of the fully fucktarded imbecilic american.....they are succeeding beyond their wildest dreams because fucktards will think that their only choice in the election is obamney....

and really, what the fuck do you expect from an indonesian installed by the rockefeller axis of evil?....again, i have to say that americans are blithering stupid fucktards....

the nazis from ww2 have taken root in amerika - the 1000 year reich is in its 79th year.