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Why Did CIA Director Petraeus Suddenly Resign … And Why Was the U.S. Ambassador to Libya Murdered?

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The Deeper Questions Behind the Ambassador’s Murder … and the CIA Boss’ Sudden Resignation

While the GOP is attacking (and Dems defending) the Obama administration in connection with the murder of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, there is a deeper story.

Sure, it is stunning that the State Department never requested backup or that people such as Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer allege that President Obama personally watched in real time the attacks as they occurred via video feeds from drones flying over the Benghazi consulate.

But these claims only can be assessed – and the whole confusing mess only makes sense – if the deeper underlying story is first exposed.

Many Syrian Terrorists Come from Libya

The U.S. supported opposition which overthrew Libya’s Gadaffi was largely comprised of Al Qaeda terrorists.

According to a 2007 report by West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center’s center, the Libyan city of Benghazi was one of Al Qaeda’s main headquarters – and bases for sending Al Qaeda fighters into Iraq – prior to the overthrow of Gaddafi:
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Al Qaeda is now largely in control of Libya.  Indeed, Al Qaeda flags were flown over the Benghazi courthouse once Gaddafi was toppled.

(Incidentally, Gaddafi was on the verge of invading Benghazi in 2011, 4 years after the West Point report cited Benghazi as a hotbed of Al Qaeda terrorists. Gaddafi claimed – rightly it turns out – that Benghazi was an Al Qaeda stronghold and a main source of the Libyan rebellion.  But NATO planes stopped him, and protected Benghazi.)

CNN, the Telegraph,  the Washington Times, and many other mainstream sources confirm that Al Qaeda terrorists from Libya have since flooded into Syria to fight the Assad regime.

Mainstream sources also confirm that the Syrian opposition is largely comprised of Al Qaeda terrorists.  See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this.

The U.S. has been arming the Syrian opposition since 2006. The post-Gaddafi Libyan government is also itself a top funder and arms supplier of the Syrian opposition.

The Real Story At Benghazi

This brings us to the murder of ambassador Stevens and the sudden resignation of CIA boss David Petraeus.

The Wall Street Journal, Telegraph and other sources confirm that the US consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used for a secret CIA operation.

They say that the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” for the previously hidden CIA mission.

Reuters notes that the CIA mission involved finding and repurchasing heavy weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals.

Business Insider reports that Stevens may have been linked with Syrian terrorists:

There’s growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.

 

In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens’ life.

 

In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, “met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey” in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.

 

Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship “carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey.” The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.

 

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Reuters reports that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to shoot down Syrian helicopters and fighter jets.

 

The ship’s captain was ”a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support,” which was presumably established by the new government.

 

That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between himself and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria.

 

Furthermore, we know that jihadists are the best fighters in the Syrian opposition, but where did they come from?

 

Last week The Telegraph reported that a FSA commander called them “Libyans” when he explained that the FSA doesn’t “want these extremist people here.”

 

And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey—a deal brokered by Stevens’ primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.

 

Furthermore there was a CIA post in Benghazi, located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as “a base for, among other things, collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles” … and that its security features “were more advanced than those at rented villa where Stevens died.”

And we know that the CIA has been funneling weapons to the rebels in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.

In other words, ambassador Stevens may have been a key player in deploying Libyan terrorists and arms to fight the Syrian government.

Other sources also claim that the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used as a CIA operation to ship fighters and arms to Syria.

Many have speculated that – if normal security measures weren’t taken to protect the Benghazi consulate or to rescue ambassador Stevens – it was  because the CIA was trying to keep an extremely low profile to protect its cover of being a normal State Department operation.

Why Did CIA Chief David Petraeus Suddenly Resign?

CIA boss David Petraeus suddenly resigned, admitting to an affair.  This could be the real explanation, given that affairs of high-level intelligence chiefs could compromise national security.

But the timing of Petraeus’ resignation becomes more interesting once one learns that that he was scheduled to testify under oath next week before power House and Senate committees regarding the Benghazi consulate.

Many speculate that it wasn’t an affair – but the desire to avoid testifying on Benghazi – which was the real reason for Petraeus’ sudden resignation.

The Big Picture

Whatever the scope of the CIA’s operation in Benghazi – and whatever the real reason for the resignation of the CIA chief – the key is our historical and ongoing foreign policy.

For decades, the U.S. has backed terrorists for geopolitical ends.

The U.S. government has been consistently planning regime change in Syria and Libya for 20 years, and dreamed of regime change – using false flag terror – for 50 years.

Obama has simply re-packaged Bush and the Neocons’ “war on terror” as a series of humanitarian wars.

And the U.S. and its allies will do anything to topple Iran … and is systematically attempting to pull the legs out from Iran’s allies as a way to isolate and weaken that country.

Americans should ask ourselves if that’s what we want …

 


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Mon, 11/12/2012 - 06:19 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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This guy George, he's like a 3rd team Drudge. Must have been on the school paper. If he couldn't find something ulterior in every pile of steaming dog shit, he'd probably still be collecting Magic Cards.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:24 | Link to Comment rguptatx
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Paula says clearly that Petraeus was not allowed to speak to the slimy press - shouldn't that raise some alarms?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Benjamin Glutton
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TEL AVIV — Did Paula Broadwell, the alleged mistress of ex-CIA Director David Petraeus, reveal a secret CIA detention center in Benghazi during a public speech she gave last month?

Broadwell, a former counterterror operative, co-authored a bestselling biography of Petraeus. She discussed the book during a keynote speech on  Oct. 26 at a University of Denver alumni symposium.The speech is available in full on YouTube.

During a question and answer session, Broadwell was asked about the September 11 attacks against the U.S. mission in Benghazi.

She stated: “Now I don’t know if a lot of you heard this, but the CIA annex had actually had taken a couple of Libya militia members prisoner. And they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. So that’s still being vetted.”

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/11/11/did-petraeus-mistress-reveal-secret-cia-prison-paula-broadwell-may-have-divulged-new-information-on-benghazi-scandal/

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/exposed-secret-cia-prison/#qTbwLmisFKHM7Pye.99
Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:44 | Link to Comment eatapeach
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Didn't he send a bunch of emails asking if he was bent over far enough for Israel? What about those?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:50 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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I think Paula told him he couldn't  get spanked if he didn't bend over.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment graneros
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All I know is if I were the new CIA director I'd ask for a different desk and carpet.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:28 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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Meet the other pussy in the cat fight over the General:
http://www.iconocast.com/11-11-2012/35/David-Petraeus-scandal-Jill-Kelle...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Jake88
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I can not even fathom the stupidity of most of the comments here.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:00 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Anyone remember a time when the NY Times and the liberals, under the Bush regime, nicknamed this guy "Betrayus".  Then, for some unknown reasons when Obama gave him a promotionafter dumping McCrystal he was all of a sudden the pinup boy for that same crowd.   I never understood why he was so much better the second time around then he was the first time.  Now he sucks again.  Hmmm..  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Al Qaeda = The Base, in English

What were CIA bases doing in a nice neighborhood in Benghazi? How many secret CIA bases are still in Libya?

The Libyan militias are armed with 10,000 shoulder fired rockets, 3,000 of which are Stinger missiles we gave them to get Gadafy. They have a lot left over.

Why would the Libyan people who just got done taking out Gadafy, allow secret CIA bases in their country trying to destabilizing them?

If I were a Libyan armed to the teeth like the Libyans, I would have taken out the secret CIA base too.

 

On Flags, Islamic History, and al-Qa’ida

http://thewasat.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/on-flags-islamic-history-and-al-qaida/

The flags and banners of the Khilafah

http://hizb-america.org/culture/islamic-concepts/2672-the-flags-and-banners-of-the-khilafah

Flag of the Islamic Khilafah

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/isl-khil.html

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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The ambassador sold them the weapons and was trying to locate them to buy em back.

Allegedly.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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do you really think the ambassador would personally meet with the "rebels" to buy back the weapons?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:49 | Link to Comment eatapeach
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I can't even tell the difference between misinformation and disinformation anymore :(

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Can anybody verify-corroborate below incident?

"A chilling report circulating in the Kremlin this afternoon released by the Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) states that Kosmos 2479 detected the firing of two AGM-114 Hellfire missiles from a MQ-1 Predator drone yesterday being operated by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) over the United States city of Indianapolis that resulted in a massive explosion [photo 2nd left], and from local US media reports resulted in at least two deaths.

Kosmos 2479 is an early warning satellite launched in 2012 as part of the VKO's Oko programme and monitors the US from geostationary orbit for all possible threats, including the tracking of American airspace for US Air Force and CIA fighter jets, bombers and drones.

The CIA's MQ-1 Predator drones, equipped with two fearsome AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, have been described as President Obama's “weapon of choice” and are currently most noted for bringing to Pakistan the same horror that Hitler's doodlebugs inflicted on London during World War II.

According to this report, after the firing of these drone-missiles, two distinct trajectories were recorded which were “near simultaneously countermanded” by countermeasures employed by an AN/ALQ-99 airborne electronic warfare system aboard a US Air Force EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft that had been dispatched from Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to track this CIA drone that had, apparently, deviated from its assigned flight track.

read more;   http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1627.htm

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment Trying to Understand
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"Sorcha Faal"... really???  http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sorchafaaldisinfo15mar08.shtml  that pretty well blows your story... and credibility... you really didn't know about Sorcha Faal after all these years???

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment cognus
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GW let me down this time, although the compilations of articles is praiseworthy. I sorta thought George would end up defending the integrity of the Islamist thugs that are aligned with the Obamites.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Can anybody verify-corroborate below incident?

"A chilling report circulating in the Kremlin this afternoon released by the Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) states that Kosmos 2479 detected the firing of two AGM-114 Hellfire missiles from a MQ-1 Predator drone yesterday being operated by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) over the United States city of Indianapolis that resulted in a massive explosion [photo 2nd left], and from local US media reports resulted in at least two deaths.

Kosmos 2479 is an early warning satellite launched in 2012 as part of the VKO's Oko programme and monitors the US from geostationary orbit for all possible threats, including the tracking of American airspace for US Air Force and CIA fighter jets, bombers and drones...."

read more; http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1627.htm

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:45 | Link to Comment cognus
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i can verify that this is rubbish - trollbait.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Thxs genius!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment George Washington
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Many people believe that WhatDoesItMean is a disinfo site...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Jake88
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Folks. The real reason Petraeus has resigned is that he has been ordered and or blackmailed to resign because in denying that the CIA ordered the stand down he has implicated either Obummer or the weasel from hell Leon Panetta.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:30 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.

"Who's they?" he wanted to know. "Who, specifically, do you think is trying to murder you?"

"Every one of them," Yossarian told him.

"Every one of whom?"

"Every one of whom do you think?"

"I haven't any idea."

"Then how do you know they aren't?"

"Because …" Clevinger sputtered, and turned speechless with frustration.
P. 24 ("Vintage" edition: p. 19)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:26 | Link to Comment Jake88
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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:15 | Link to Comment tyrone
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Exactly.. this op was about harvesting some retirement spending money. Kinda like the theft of those $4B in cash from frozen Iraq funds in US accounts which we "repatriated" back to Iraq. The locals got less than $100K of that stash. The rest disappeared into ephemera.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment Jake88
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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment notadouche
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I would think the then head of the CIA would have to testify in front of Congress regardless of his resignation.  Follow the shell, which one is the pea under.  Step right up folks, beat the house...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Jake88
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in any noncorrupt system he would certainly be required to testify resigned or not. you can't just resign to avoid testifying. this article is stupid from beginning to end.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Yellowhoard
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Yes. I totally don't understand the logic here.

Patreus was at the heart of Bengazi, but because he had an affair, his testimony is not needed?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Sandy15
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REALLY?????  This story was uncovered by Glenn Beck right after the attack happened.  But NOOOOOO, people don't want to give him credit.  If you watch Glenn Beck, this is OLD news and we are looking beyond this.........  I'm just sayin'

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment George Washington
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I haven't watched Glenn Beck recently, so don't know what he's said.  Fox has covered this, and WND and Drudge have been all over it.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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Here it is according to Beck ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cklO9de88w

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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A bit obvious and convenient, isn't it, especially considering the timing?  Perfect BS trigger for resignation, one that the majority ignorati in this country can't see right through:

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019656191_cia11.html

Excerpts:

The collapse of the impressive career of CIA Director David Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening emails to another woman, according to three senior law-enforcement officials.

The recipient of the emails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help in tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy, an Army Reserve officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit emails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

The identity of the woman who received the emails was not disclosed, and the nature of her relationship with Petraeus is unknown. The officials said the woman did not work at the CIA and was not Petraeus' wife, Holly.

The emails from Broadwell indicated that she thought the other woman was becoming involved with Petraeus, according to the officials. They said the emails were "threatening and harassing" but not specific enough to warrant criminal charges.

One of the officials said the recipient of the emails complained to Petraeus about them and the FBI later obtained emails between Petraeus and Broadwell in which they discussed the harassment.

The investigators first interviewed Petraeus about two weeks ago, the officials said.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Wow, this is one hell of a mess, and looks to just keep getting messier.

Benghazi happened 9/11/12.

First Pres. debate happened 10/3/12.

Now, I am beginning to understand why during that debate POTUS seemed so thoroughly distracted, seemed like he was on Xanax.  Why Clinton is bailing.  Why Lanny Davis sounded so depressed about Obama on the radio a week ago.  But only beginning to understand.  The rest - and there must be very much - will come out, since in this age there is really no way to hide anything...

Me thinks POTUS is hanging on by a thread.  I won't be surprised if there is a new POTUS in much less than 4 years.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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I'll give better odds the constitution would be suspended within 4 years than BHO replaced prior to 2016.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"Now, I am beginning to understand why during that debate POTUS seemed so thoroughly distracted"

Good point.  Could be.  Hadn't thought of that.  Could also explain why he cried when thanking his team after the election.  His only possible vulnerability on that issue was prior to the election.  Now, he won't be touched on the issue.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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I'd love to see your sceanrio play out.  However, it ain't gonna happen...

This is Clinton all over again.  And, even if there was evidence of Obama raping and killing small children in the form of a video of such activities - the MSM and democrats wouldn't follow it.  They don't care. 

Now they're talking about doing away with the presidential term limit...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"it ain't gonna happen..."

Agree completely. 

For one, most Americans would praise any attempt to overthrow the regime in Syria and any attempt to criticize that by Reps will be so obviously hypocritical and would likely lead to the uncovering of very similar skeletons they wouldn't want uncovered.  Heck, even the Brits are looking at the legalities of arming the Syrian rebels (while probably already doing it covertly just like we probably did).

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment curly
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I bet you did.

Paula Broadwell -- hyper-ambitious slut with creds from Harvard (K School of government, aka Camelot High) and West Point, with two kids and a multiply cuckolded (McChrystal a previous notch?) husband (bet they're proud of mommy).  NYT characterizing her a a "high achiever" -- you bet!  How many generals does it take to screw in a ...  ah never mind.

Pushup contest w/a nebbish like jon stuart leibowitz?  Ha!

Wonder how many "pushups" she did on her way through WP.

Perfect model of the new, modern woman and Obama voter.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment “Rebellion to t...
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Question: Why Did CIA Director Petraeus Suddenly Resign … And Why Was the U.S. Ambassador to Libya Murdered?

Answer: NO ONE WAS AT WORK!!!!!    No one responsible knew what the fuck was going on.

The Potus, enjoys the game of golf, gutter politics, and expensive travel.

The former CIA Director enjoys banging a very masculine journalist, probably during his work schedule, possibly on/under his desk.  

The Secretary of State is an accomplished liar, skilled and razor sharp making shit up most of her life.  

Our VP is borderline retarded/senile.  

Any and all politicians are suspect as to greed and promoted self-interests, by their very nature.  

We deserve these people because we elect these same people over and over and........

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Jake88
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I do not know who is more ignorant you or the peabrains who gave you the thumbs up.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:36 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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the truth is offensive to retarded chimps like you

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Mike Cowan
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Days after the election, days before he testifies before Congress, and just weeks after Benghazi, the CIA Director resigns. Obama does: see no evil, hears no evil, speaks no evil.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment HOBO POTHEAD
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This is my annual tribute to the men of the 173rd Airborne who were slaughtered in a pointless attack on a wothless hill in Vietnam. I am a veteran of the 173rd Airborne Brigade. I did my tour in the Rock n Roll Slaughter House as a grunt in 65-66, before my old battalion was butchered in this meatgrinder. Time and time again Army and USMC infantry units were ordered to assault heavily fortified NVA positions without adequate air or artillary bombardment. All the dug in NVA on Hill 875 could have been blown to hell with a B52 raid dropping 2,00 pound bombs and not a single American life would have been lost. Time and time again the brass ordered suicide assualts by Army and USMC grunts on known NVA troop concentrations that could have been wiped out by B52 raids. Not one writer (other than myself) has pointed out this repeated pattern of murder of entire American units. I knew a guy who survived Hill 875. He said it was the heaviest concentration of NVA fire he faced in two tours. He told me almost his entire platoon was wipped out as soon as they got out of an NVA trench line they had overrun and began their main “assault”. Fuck all the brass who went along with this mass serial murder of entire American units. The brass were cowards and punks who ordered these assaults from bunkers far removed from the battles. I have more respect for a dog turd in a gutter than I have for the brass who murdered their own men and then awarded each other with medals and promotions.

Fighting Behind a Four-Foot High Wall of Body Bags

Tom Chittum December 3 2003

Check out this quote describing an attack on a hill in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1967.

” … when Matt Harrison had landed on the DZ, he couldn’t believe the scene he surveyed as he tried to get a grasp on A Company’s disposition.

He described it simply as, ‘The Third Circle of Hell.’ Bodies and body parts were strewn everywhere, the wounded groaned and asked for help. Enemy soldiers were firing from as little as 20 meters away. It was impossible to determine exactly where friendly lines stopped and enemy lines began. Matt helped to put some of the dead into body bags. They became part of a four foot high wall that helped provide cover for the living.”

How did it happen that the soldiers of the world’s most super dooper, high-tech military wound up fighting from behind a four-foot high wall of body bags? It was all planned that way, my friends. So get yourself a bag of popcorn, you’re all going to the movies with Sgt. Skull. The fighting described above took place on a hill designated Hill 875 because its highest point was 875 meters above sea level as marked on the maps. The attacking unit was the 2nd battalion of the 173rd Airborne Brigade. That was my old unit. I was in the 2nd battalion of the 173rd Airborne Brigade during my tour of Vietnam in ’65 and ’66.

On November 19, 1967, the 2nd battalion began their assault up Hill 875 against multiple defensive lines of trenches and machinegun bunkers. Four days later, they captured the top of the hill. Link here for a picture of the top of Hill 875 after the battle. Approximately 350 soldiers of the 2nd battalion began the assault on the hill. Eighty-seven were killed and 166 wounded. That’s a casualty rate of 72%.

How did this mess come to be? I quote from the book, “The 173rd Airborne Brigade,” published by the Turner Publishing Company.

“In early fall, 1967, enemy activity began to escalate in the Central Highlands. Intelligence reports indicated that the Dak To region was threatened by six NVA regiments and, once again, the 173rd Airborne was airlifted in the area. This time, the operation was code named, MacArthur. Although American staff planners were unaware of it at the time, this buildup was part of a gigantic deception designed to draw U.S. combat strength away from the cities in order to help ensure the success of the “Tet Uprising” scheduled for January, 1968. … A Special Forces (Green Beret) B-Detachment, conducting operations on 18 November, discovered an extensive network of NVA trenches located atop Hill 875. After suffering ten wounded, the SF detachment withdrew, and called for indirect fire and air strikes against the enemy trenches. They did not know that these trenches, built months earlier, were covered with up to ten feet of earth and log overhead cover. In addition, the positions had the advantage of six months of jungle growth to enhance their camouflage.”

Know this: A hill with manned trenches means one thing and one thing only – a major NVA base camp. Any grunt who had been in the ‘Nam for a few months could tell you that. At this point, the damn hill should have been flattened by multiple B52 strikes using 2,000 pound bombs. A 2,000 pound bomb makes a crater big enough to bury a small house in. Nothing short of extremely deep and concrete-reinforced bunkers can withstand 2,000 pound bombs. 2,000 lbs. bombs would have turned Hill 875 and all its trenches and bunkers into something resembling the surface of the moon, and killed every last NVA there, case closed. A squad of boy scouts could have taken the hill after that. But the powers that be didn’t call for B52s because this was just another Hollywood war made by Illuminati productions. Thank you Gen. Wastemorelives. Thank you, LBJ. Thank you, me Lord Rothschild.

One grunt in the 173rd said that prior to the assault, “They told us that there was at least a regiment dug in on the hill. We just looked at each other like we were dead men.” On the morning of November 19th, the Air Force hit the hill with 500 pound bombs and napalm, and the brigade’s artillery pounded it with high-explosive rounds. Companies A and B were held in reserve on the first day. Companies C and D of the 2nd Battalion began the “assault.” That means approximately 160 guys actually started up the hill against an estimated 1,000 to 2,000 NVA regulars dug into multiple trench line and machinegun bunkers.

Think about that – 160 guys charging uphill against at least 1,000 NVA regulars in trenches and bunkers. I knew one guy who was in the Herd (the nickname for the 173rd) when I did my tour in ’65 and ’66. He signed up for a second tour. (Don’t ask me why, he must have had scrambled eggs for brains by that time.) He said the fire they ran into was the most intense he ever experienced – recoilless rifle fire, mortars, rocket propelled grenades, machineguns, chi-com grenades, the works. He was shot through the hand almost immediately, and his platoon leader told him to fall back. He did as ordered, and he told me that just about everybody he knew was subsequently killed.

Mind you, being hammered by 500 pound bombs and napalm is no picnic. Still, the point is that this tactic of working over dug-in NVA with 500 pound bombs and napalm and artillery never really worked. There were always enough survivors to man the firing positions and lay down hellish fire on the attackers who were exposed and moving. Know this: that damn hill was a bomber’s dream – hundreds of NVA concentrated in a relatively small space just begging for a massive B52 strike. Even the normal air strikes would have done the trick if they had kept it up for several days. A direct hit by a 500 pound bomb is sufficient to collapse most bunkers, or at least leave the defenders with blood oozing out of every orifice of their body.

The initial assault on the hill was doomed from the start. By pure raw courage, the attackers overran the first trench line in some places, but not in others. The NVA counter attacked and overran portions of A company that was guarding the helicopter landing zone at the base of the hill. The battle on Hill 875 became a swirling hell of confusion and close up butchery for both attackers and defenders. Most fighting in dense Vietnamese jungle was so close that the fighters could have hit each other with rocks. Think of it as Neanderthal warfare with rocks and spears and clubs and conducted at about the same range and you’ve pretty much got the picture.

The initial fighting in such conditions is a hell of automatic weapons fire that rakes the area. The Chaplain of my battalion described a similar battle this way, “To stand up was to die.” Take a good look at the picture of the hill linked to above and you will note that if you lay on the ground that there is usually a lot of downed trees and churned up earth that provide substantial cover. That plus the fact the many of attackers and defenders are killed and both sides run low of ammo. In such circumstances attacks bog down almost every time, and both sides hunker down in the confusion and try to pot shot anybody who moves or sticks his head up.

I’m not attempting to give an exact account of the assault on Hill 875 here. Instead, I’m pointing out why the circumstances of the situation caused such attacks to bog down and fail just about every time. Everybody knew this, but time and time again army and marine units were ordered to conduct the same doomed, stupid and pointless attacks. Time and time again, known concentrations of NVA were spared B52 strikes and the brass fed battalion after battalion of grunts into the meat grinder in attacks that they knew full well were pointless, stupid and doomed.

That first day of the battle was topped off just after sundown when a 500 pound bomb accidentally scored a direct hit on the 2nd battalion’s command post where the wounded were collected, and where most of the officers were. The wayward bomb killed about 40 guys and wounded many others. The bomb blew one grunt in half. His torso wound up in a tree and his guts fell down onto the guys below. Dead bodies and body parts were everywhere, both American and NVA. The stench must have been incredible; grunt meat rots fast in the jungle.

The surviving medics were completely out of morphine at this time, and everybody was out of water. The NVA gunners shot down three helicopters attempting resupply missions that first day. Hill 875 was a Stalingrad in the jungle. If the NVA had been on the ball, they could have swarmed down the hill with their superior numbers and wiped out the whole damn battalion, no problem. But they didn’t, and so the battle entered its second day.

On the evening of the second day of the “battle,” the 4th battalion of the 173rd arrived and reinforced the survivors of the mangled 2nd battalion. On the afternoon of the third day of the battle, the 2nd and 4th battalions again assaulted up the hill. This attack made some progress, but it failed for the same reasons the previous attacks did, and the grunts of the 173rd were driven back to their original lines.

On the morning of the 23rd, units of the 4th Infantry reinforced the 173rd, and together they began the final assault on the hill. Luckily, the NVA had mostly withdrawn, and only 5 guys were killed when a mortar round scored a direct hit on a group of 173rd soldiers. Total casualties of all units involved in the fighting on Hill 875 amounted to 107 killed in action and 282 wounded and 10 missing in action. Another account claimed 158 killed in action and 411 wounded. The NVA managed to shoot down 11 helicopters, and two guys from the 173rd were awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor … posthumously. Here’s an account of the evacuation of the wounded survivors during the battle.

“Late on Tuesday afternoon, a landing zone was finally cut near the base of the hill, and the wounded started out for evacuation. Men who were peppered with shell fragments carried the legless in litters rigged from ponchos. Blinded troopers stumbled down the hill, their hands on the shoulders of the men in front of them. The helicopters began to land, and it took two hours for the 140 injured paratroopers to be lifted out. … More choppers came in, carrying food, water and desperately needed ammunition. The Brigade’s combat engineers came in, too, carrying demolition charges and flame-throwers. There was still a ridgeline to be taken. “

I’ve read numerous accounts of the assault on Hill 875. No account ever identified who ordered this pointless butchery. Every account always uses the passive voice, saying something like “the soldiers were ordered to assault the hill.” Every account agrees that Hill 875 had no “strategic” value. In fact, the 173rd abandoned it shortly after its capture. It was just another hill, and the only attraction was the known concentration of NVA there. The powers that be didn’t bomb it to hell for the same reason they didn’t bomb Haiphong Harbor or torpedo the ships carrying supplies into it.

I think most sane people can understand that something has got to be wrong when soldiers in the world’s most high tech military wind up fighting from behind a four-foot high wall of body bags. The whole damn, phoney baloney war was a contraption to put the American taxpayers into debt to the owners of the Federal Reserve and the NWO banksters. I hope Lord Rothchild and Mr. Soros enjoy their mansions and yachts. We Vietnam grunts paid for them

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 01:38 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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Thank you Hobo

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment ShakaZulu
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Hobo.  I BELIEVE you.  I was the roommate of a 2 tour vietnam vet in 1977.  He was retired Army.  The stories he told me began my life long quest for the truth, because I KNEW then that our government had lied to me.  TV was the instrument of my indoctrination.  Night after night the TV told me how many dead gooks there were.  Night after night the TV told me how great our victory for freedom would be once we won this war.  Bull CRAP!  This vet told me the real deal.  Those boys were sent over there to make bankers, oilmen, and industrial tycoons even RICHER.  The hell with this world and the hell with their lies.  I've been set free.  I know the truth.  And the TRUTH has set me free!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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hobo, too many will never read your post, but we who were in country know what the TV and media never told..served with guy from the 173rd in 69 he was wounded in that battle one of 4 or so who lived in his platoon. I agree with your last pharagraph esp the last line. we used to say welcome home to viet nam vets..now our home is not the world I left I never came home..I see it as alien and evil ..how many of us will wake up in time to do something..current military and cia.nsa.dia.do your damn jobs for once many of you are patriots do your damn jobs.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment lightning
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Here is one problem with all of Behghazi.  The stupid video.  Why did an administration who has the political savvy to win two elections pick such a bad - really bad - cover story?  Obama is a lot of things, but politically stupid isn't one of them.  The video story is basically why any of us paid attention to Benghazi in the first place.  If George is right, the White House could have simply stonewalled and then said that the terrorists went after Stevens to get back the weapons the CIA were confiscating/buying back, which was well known before 9/11.  Think about it.  We knew they were trying to get control of weapons in Lybia and have been floating the same mission in Syria.  Why the video?  Doesn't make sense until you investigate when the "video" first made its appearance.  The issue with the video occured in Egypt the day before 9/11.  Protests broke out in Egypt which resulted in the State Dept. condeming the video.  The next day, we have the issues at Benghazi and the administration rushes to blame the video.  Why?  Because that was their cover story for the kidnapping of Stevens.  Unfortunately, two Seals intervened and the whole plan went south.  They didn't intervene because the fewer people alive the less trouble for the administration.  Have y'all noticed that there have been no interviews with employees saved by Woods?  Nor will there be.  Now there are many possible reasons for Stevens to be kidnapped, but truthfully it doesn't matter.  The blind cleric, simply to kill Stevens because he became a problem, get Obama re-elected.  All that we need to get is that this is proof that our government works against our interests and will leave our troops on rooftops to die for their own sick reasons.  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment TrulyStupid
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O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!
Walter Scott

This is what happens when we build foreign policy based on deception and lies...and then keep on doubling down until we're fighting ourselves. Let's get the f*** out of the midlle east, far east, europe and stay out... time for a return of old fashioned isolationism.
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