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What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?
A lot of attention is being given to the fact that residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States.
Daily Caller reports:
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
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Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin.
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States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
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Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
As Google notes, web searches for the term “secession” are being run in a number of states:
Conservatives – such as Judge Napolitano and Ron Paul - say that the states have the right to secede. And Texas governor Rick Perry said that Texas has a right to secede (although he counsels against it at the current time).
On the other hand, most liberals say that the Civil War ended the state’s right to secede. Huffington Post is covering the wave of secession petitions … to ridicule them.
Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“.
As the Daily Caller notes, liberals have launched their own counter-petitions:
In a … nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.
Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”
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A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
Yahoo News argues that the petitions are meaningless:
The petitions are little more than symbolic—and nothing new. Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 and 2008 elections.
Libertarian website Lew Rockwell argues in a piece by Ryan McMaken that nothing will come of the current secession attempts, but that the principle is important:
I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing “God Bless America” at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.
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The Declaration makes a simple argument:
- Humans have rights from the Creator.
- Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it).
- When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains[:]
Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775–1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
Ron Paul says that states have the right so secede … and predicts they will do so when the dollar collapses:
My take has been the same for many years … I believe that America – like the Soviet Union – may break up when corruption and tyranny lead to the break down of basic systems.
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Thank you for your post. If you don't mind I would like to copy this to blogs and threads whenever I need a clear example of incoherent, language-butchering screed. Thank you and please increase your Abilify dose, 'cause......damn!
"What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?"
That D.C. isn't a state.
[Hint: Just think about who it belongs to, or read to learn more.]
re: "you cun't handle the schmuck !".... and: "the other thread hijcaked".......
rosthschinds? rothschinds?...... you cun't handle the queen !
*(is that what you meant schmuk raker? scccchmmmmmmuuuuuuckkkk rakeeeeeer.......dahdunghdah.)
i can't even remember the original reason i wanted to post..... i hope it comes back to me.
Dude . . . put down the meth pipe. When your brain is at a normal level of dopamine then try posting to ZH
how's the weather up there?
"The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession."
Isn't this incoherent with the Pledge of Allegiance?
Isn't this incoherent with the Pledge of Allegiance?
Not when you cease to be the REPUBLIC for which it stands.
Isn't this incoherent with the Pledge of Allegiance?
Nope, not after the SUPREME LAW of the land, has been defecated on, the marriage is dissolved.
We have sat on our asses too long, and allowed ourselves to be enslaved.
Oh, it's incoherent all right.
How could it be otherwise? Those are 'americans', they started their story by proclaiming some inalienable rights to human beings just for in the same breath infringed on those supposedly unalienable rights...
Only expect 'americanism' from 'americans' and you wont never be disappointed.
I don't see the point of seceding, you're still stuck with the same corrupt gov't officials that mismanages and caves into public unions more.
Until someone has the balls to tackle and reform the public pensions, don't expect your taxes to decrease one cent. It's a shame that they would rather cut your services before doing what's right for the citizens.
With secession signatures, people should pledge to buy nothing this Christmas season.
"ploy gelossi" was the captcha I had. LOL.
world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones
i thought that was the the "third world" war......( old 70's joke ).....
My guess is that even IF Texas secessionists were able to get a referendum onto the ballot only 10-40% of Texas voters would vote for it. This is a tempest in a teapot.
And speaking of tempests, it appears that Sandy didn't cause any nuclear power plant meltdowns. I know you were really hoping for this, George. You must be very disappointed. Better luck next disaster!
Yeah, Fukushima-era designs are totally safe:
NRC
Report: New York nuclear plant entered emergency plan because it
couldn’t extinguish fire — FEMA, DHS were notified — Fukushima-type
reactor
Sandy
“appears to have shifted” islands near NJ’s Oyster Creek nuclear plant —
Surge smashed through homes close by — Feds begin special inspection at
facility
Atta boy George.
wake the @#%& up...the issue isnt the govt size, it is that greedy corporations and the greedy men and women who run these corporations have hijacjked our government.for their own self promotion
Fact wealth transferfrom blue to red states. red states are full of backward hicks who still believe that science was conceived by the devil to destroy their god.
The thing is there are always going to be greedy people, so to really fix it we need to take that into account. There will always be people trying to bribe or threaten the representatives that are elected in representative democracy, or even kings in monarchies. The only way I can see to overcome this problem is with more power to the people; letting people vote on issues, not just on representatives. The greedy can't bribe or threaten all of us.
No but extortion with the threat of jail works wonders.
Don't pay your income taxes and see what happens? The only thing "we the people" can threaten with is a protest. Can't have the criminals arrested because they are the ones we pay extortion too.
Rule of Law but its their law.
I would move to Texas if it successfully seceeded from the Creature...as long as there was no connection to a central banking system.
How about the old republican mantra....America, love it or leave it.. Good bye assholes
johnny you ignorant slut..america does not mean whatever the .gov says it is..you would not know the america we dream of if it hit you in that thimble you call a head.
What it means is that it was pre-planned and coordinated. The question is by whom and why?
it means that the great disinformation news media convinced millions of dim-witted americans that romney was somehow different than obummer?
I consider myself socially,politically and economically progressive on the far left end of the spectrum, but I also despise the federal government for what it has become and have signed my state's petition to secede (Texas). I don't agree with probably 90% of the assholes who are my fellow Texans on probably 90% of the issue, but I am 100% with all of them on this one. There is no longer a need for a United States, if there ever was one, and we would all - all 50 states - be far better off with a Federation with 50 strong state governments than we are as a corporate plutocracy masquerading as a federal government.
First Bin laden won by coming here and putting our country in fear of poetnetial other attacks and now Obama is coming in to finish it off. Hard to imagine 50 state breaking up. He has divided us!
First Bin laden won by coming here and putting our country in fear of poetnetial other attacks and now Obama is coming in to finish it off. Hard to imagine 50 state breaking up. He has divided us!
I call BS, Osama did nothing,that they did not WANT him to do.
Without 9-11, it would have been impossible to be INCHES away from a total Dictatorship.
OBL had nothing to do with 911, the FBI maintains that to this very day. That was Mossad. I do agree tho that Slick Barrys main job is to be the last president, delivering the final death blows to what we once knew as a republic called America. Bibi666 tried with everything he had to depose Slick Barry by funding Romney via Bain headed by the top IDF general's daughter, and failed. Needless to say, Bibi666 is just a little pissed off on that one. Look out folks. This aint gonna be pretty whats comin up next.
Prrof that the FBI knew OBL had nothing to do with 9-11 was when Osama was on the FBI's 10 most wanted list after 9-11 there was no mention of the 9-11 incident whatsoever in the list of the "crimes" he was wanted for. The main items on his list of crimes were the bombings of the two embassy buildings in Africa and the USS Cole bombing in Yemen . . .
This means nothing. You don't petition the federal gov't to secede. If you are serious you petition your state legislature to secede. Your state legislature decides, not the federal gov't. DC isn't going to approve a request for secession anyway. Any secession will be met with violence from federal troops and mercenaries. These petitions are nothing but hot air.
You don't petition the federal gov't to secede
If you read the petition, it's something OBAMA set up..................he is the one that put up a website for the peoples to have a direct redress of grievances..........and it takes 25k to get a response, which will be FU.
Get it?,want out......................follow the law in place(at least in Texas, we can).
The shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but in the physical world easiest route between two points often is not a straight line.
As one of the first steps must be awareness, followed by proper organization and planning, the petitions serve a very definite purpose.
Thank you. This simple point seems missed by everyone here.
Ps. Strange how many people here are shooting down this secessionist idea. Would never have expected it here.
There are alot of people who post on ZH (and a higher than usual percentage on anything GW puts up- he pulls in alot of DKos and Media Matters idiots) who know they literally cannot survive without a strong central authrotiy providing for them.
Thank you. This simple point seems missed by everyone here.
Ps. Strange how many people here are shooting down this secessionist idea. Would never have expected it here.
Hopefully hyperinflation will make these petitions superfluous.
Cascadia anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
Steel, I wish you well with your independence movement. I would love to come to join you guys up there but it rains too much and the Mrs. NeedtoSecede would not agree to relocate.
Not so much rain in my area we are the very northern tip of the Sonaran desert, we went 90 days this summer without a drop.
To secede is a moot argument, everything I've read tells me it can't happen the Feds will block it, secession, not without bloodshed.
What does it mean?
It means we stand a chance of Nonviolent revolution.
I will fight for the freedom of your child and mine, but prefer we SUCCEED without blood.
Pick the Date that the CNBC covers this?
This could be morphed into a drinking game, somehow...
Just make sure it does not involve too much liquor, while waiting.
At the end of the day, this merely reflects that more and more people have become aware of the massive disseconomies of scale of government.
The USSR was of course the Ur-example, the EU showing us currently, the US next.
hmmm
"Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“."
It strikes that for once I actually agree with Daily Kos - we all SHOULD renounce our citizenship. That would make us illegal aliens, and therefore a much sought after voting bloc in this here country....or whatever you call it now days.
What happens if you renounce your citizenship and don't have an alternate passport/citizenship? Do you become a one-man island not bound by any laws? Or do you immediately proceed to a CIA black prison in Egypt?
You can't renounce your U.S. citizenship while in the U.S.
If you renounce your citizenship while out of the country without another citizenship, you will become stateless like me, the United States is one of the few countries that will allow this to happen (at least at the moment).
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GW-this is the kind of inquiry that I've been wishing you would do, so atta' gw.
- Ned