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What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?
A lot of attention is being given to the fact that residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States.
Daily Caller reports:
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
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Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin.
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States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
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Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
As Google notes, web searches for the term “secession” are being run in a number of states:
Conservatives – such as Judge Napolitano and Ron Paul - say that the states have the right to secede. And Texas governor Rick Perry said that Texas has a right to secede (although he counsels against it at the current time).
On the other hand, most liberals say that the Civil War ended the state’s right to secede. Huffington Post is covering the wave of secession petitions … to ridicule them.
Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“.
As the Daily Caller notes, liberals have launched their own counter-petitions:
In a … nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.
Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”
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A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
Yahoo News argues that the petitions are meaningless:
The petitions are little more than symbolic—and nothing new. Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 and 2008 elections.
Libertarian website Lew Rockwell argues in a piece by Ryan McMaken that nothing will come of the current secession attempts, but that the principle is important:
I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing “God Bless America” at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.
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The Declaration makes a simple argument:
- Humans have rights from the Creator.
- Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it).
- When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains[:]
Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775–1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
Ron Paul says that states have the right so secede … and predicts they will do so when the dollar collapses:
My take has been the same for many years … I believe that America – like the Soviet Union – may break up when corruption and tyranny lead to the break down of basic systems.
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Aside from the merits of secession, is anyone else bothered by the fact these petitions are in the White House website and you are being asked to sign your name and where you live to something that has less than zero chance of happening peacefully? Didn't happen peacefully when we 'seceded' from Britain and declared independence, and it won't be peaceful this time either my friends.
Good point Dex. I've been wondering the same thing. Should I pull my pants down and show them my balls or wait for the right moment and show them my balls while a bullet goes through their head?
Distraction from the reality of banking crime?
"The good ole U.S. of A. America buddy, love it or leave it"
Who would have ever thought the liberal elites now stating these same senitments would share the same tag line with none other than Archie Bunker. Politics does indeed make strange bedfellows!
'American' sentiments are shared by 'americans'.
Lib, con, dem, repu, all of those ones are 'american'.
oh. now i remeber. nevermind......
What Does It Mean That Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?
mostly it means that it's still "voting" season, and Residents have been trained by years of "voting" for TV polls, online polls, "like" polls, "upvote/downvote" polls, and are now adding their names to .gov websites voluntarily.
it means Residents are working as intended.
Now we may see why Homeland Security has been loading up on ammo. Smells like anarchy. The folks who believe it is preposterous that the US could disenegrate obviously never paid attention to the USSR. It's the height of arrogance and stupidity to think that the same events could not possibly happen to the good ole' U.S.A. Not advocating it mind you, just sayin'.
Yea, that and when they steal all the 401k's, life's going to be a bitch...just sayin'.
It may be an excercise in futility but I signed my states petition anyway. If nothing else it may wake up the elected elite enough for them to see we are tired of sending our money to Washingtoon only to have the fools in charge give it to the lame, lazy and countries that hate us and want to bring us down to their level of poverty.
That will only cause them to buy more hollowpoints.
When O-Phone decides the time is "right" according to what President Jarrett tells him, he will unleash merciless force against USA people.
Their goal is to destroy the US, burn it to the ground, and salt the earth it stood on, take your gold and head to Macao.
We'd be better served with repeal of the 16th and 17th Amendments which would restore the proper relationship between States and the Federal government.
It means they either have --- or haven't --- read this:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-bankers-rule-the-world/5311833
It means there are cowards in all 50 states that know how to sign an internet petition.
Take back your federal government.
yeah, you tell 'em, if one side can stuff ballot boxes and intimidate voter, why doesn't the other catch on?
All I know is that both sides are good at intimidating the ballot boxes and stuffing the voter, and nobody seems to be catching on.
Many do have an uneasy feeling in their nether parts, however.
That's as misguided as saying it was a cowardly act to fly planes into a building. It was insane and criminal and despicable but cowardly it was not.
Careful. You could lose your network talk show for that kind of wackiness.
..and we all believe a bunch of cave dwellers, without experience, hit it and made it (free) fall a few hours later.
God Bless America.
We keep trying to but all of you with your snout in the gooberment trough out vote us to keep your "free" goodies coming.
The movement to secede would level the playing field for all the wars conservative US citizens want to wage on 3rd world countries. Can you imagine these RED states like Alabama who support the wars more than the blue states, having to send their own armies across the world to fight. It would be a better "game". Two 3rd world countries at war.
Plus it will lower the tax burden on those of us in Blue states, once the parasitic Red states cast off.
Hey like how those stinking repugs drug us into World War 1 , World War 2, Korea, VIETNAM
OH SNAP, THOSE WHERE ALL BLUES AT THE HELM
and I wouldn't call whats happening in Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Libya, and Syria bloodless humanitarian outings. but hey, when did facts ever discourage anyone?
When PTB wants to big defense spending or to smack some people around they go with repubs. When they want some SERIOUS killing done, DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF CHOICE.
the sad part is that this posters vote counted as much as everyone else's.
Ron Paul. America had a choice.
wow, such a fucking idiot on so many levels it's truly hard to respond........
Bullshit. Everybody is tired of this stupid war, especially those of us who went through the same crap over 40 years ago and have a good idea of how our troops feel today. Another bullshit for you. Look at all the red states then figure out how you would feed yourself if we were not there. You want to divide the country by red and blue? Fine by me. I'll stay here where all the grain, beef, pork, chickens and vegetables are grown and processed. You stay where you are at and starve because you have no way to feed yourself nor buy what you need for survival. Have another glass of kool-aid and think about it.
The Feds steal more from Texas than they give back. Name one non-productive, liberty-hating blue state that does that.
Yeah, right. Like the 13 colonies petitioning the Crown. Never happen. If it even comes close, it will be done in by money. Let's see, out national debt is $16 trillion or so. Texas, you represent about 10% of the US area, so pay the Treasury $1.6 trillion and off you go. Good luck with that.
Uh, dipshit, if the Union dissolves, then there is no "United States of America" unless the dumbasses in charge of whats left over want to keep that name for some stupid reason. The FRN is more or less meaningless at that point. People who have tangible items are in good shape. Those with electronic accounts only are fucked in the ass without lubrication.
What happened when Czechoslavakia disintegrated? Look at when the Soviet Union fell apart. Yes, Im sitting in one of the states that already have 30,000 names on the petition. I have guns, am on productive land, have a good community about me with similar ideology about freedom, have prepped up, and have gold and silver. Bring it, bitchez. A country boy can survive.
No biggie. The way Ben is debasing the dollar they could pay it off with a couple hours of oil production. The issue of property rights (esp. mineral rights) and delineation of the off-shore boundaries would be a much more complex and significant negotiation.
I don't think so scooter. No state has anything to do with the federal debt so let the federal gooberment deal with it. States don't even need to quit the union, all we have to do is quit sending the feds any money. No more fuel taxes. No more federal taxes of any kind including social security. We can keep our money at home long enough for the fools in D.C. to get the message, we don't like the way you are doing things.
Simple--A Texas printing press--solved!
I'm trying to decide--should the new Republic of Texas currency be called the Lone Star or the Longneck?
Starbucks! Oh, wait, that's already taken.
...yes!
Over and over contributors on the Lew Rockwell site were proud, before and after the election, to commend Americans for not voting. And, now, as Americans seek to secede, this Rockwell contributor is proud to say that they are wasting their time and nothing will come of it. IOW, don’t’ vote and don’t try to leave.
And, further, McMaken assumes that those seeking to secede had voted for Romney.
What wasted breath and destructive logic.
The question is who needs this viewpoint? To me, secession is a symbol of people who are shocked and want to do something about the socialist takeover of this country. Secession may just be the opening salvoes of a tsunami building against the welfare-banker state.
Also, it’s important to remember that the Colonists separated from England by overriding many promises and contracts; likewise, a state that gets enough citizen power to secede can simply disobey any implied or written contract made earlier to the Union.
IOW, what’s good for the goose, i.e., the sovereign nation, is also good for the gander, the sovereign 50 states. Already, central government officials such as Obama have broken many written and implied contracts through Executive Orders, including undeclared wars and refusal to secure the borders. The latter, of course, destroys a nation’s sovereignty and is treason.
It’s time to secede and fight back.
Secession = Civil War, Part II. Coming to a neighborhood near you...
Be proud you're a rebel
cause the South's gonna do it again and again
I'm thinking the left will learn pretty quicly the difference between an oath to support the constitution and an oath to suppor the Party. And a million-man army of entitlement recipients won't be worth shit, unless you're in DC watching them riot and call for your head.
“Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
Please do El Paso and go be part of Mexico! We don't need to support you 90% illegal immigrant population with our tax dollars.
Wait..El Paso isn't part of New Mexico? We Texans dislike El Paso so much, we won't even share our time zone with that hell hole. They do make some pretty ladies though...
The Texas Secession Petition:
Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
Signatures: 109,479
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-w...
this happens after every election. Its a natural reaction to voting for someone and watching them lose.
It wasn't on the White House website in 2008.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/09/01/White-House-to-offer-online-pe...
http://www.popvox.com/blog/2011/kudos-on-white-house-launch-of-we-the-pe...
http://bhamfree.blogspot.com/2011/09/internet-wont-let-obama-ignore.html
Congratulations! You are the 1-millioneth person to sign the Secession Petition!
And you have WON an all expenses-paid vacation to FEMA Camp Taser!
Don't bother packing - leave those pesky details to those nice helpful folk from the DHS SWAT Team that will be arriving shortly. And yes, of course your whole family is invited - in fact, we wouldn't have it any other way!
Thank you for participatiion - and have a Nice Day ;)
but mommy, i thought we were going to Disneyland...
NuYawkFrankie
Dude the jokers signing a petition aren't goping to a FEMA camp.
They aren't even loudmouths.
Put a little pressure on and they will knuckle right under happily accepting there status as part of the US.
(Biden 2016, That shalt have no GOD before me!)
Kill the bold, gull boy. You're loud enough without the amplifier.
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/06/state-secession-now.html
Yes. All 50 should separate immediately and leave DC as the only REAL part of the Untied States.
God, that's weird just to contemplate.
Would Washington team up with Oregon, or are we just too conservative for them? Idaho and Utah are already joined at the hip, but could they coax Montana to join up and bring their coal reserves with them.
It would make a fascinating game of mix and match to team up the loose pieces into freshly stitched quilts of commonality.
What does it mean?
It means those jackhole traitors are doing A.L.E.C.s bidding, which is to move along the balkinization of America, for easier deployment of their municipal swap scams.
The Night of the Generals: General Petraeus, General Allen and General Electric
The latest super-corporate welfare scam: more tax breaks for those top corporations --- most of which don’t pay federal taxes in the first place --- which translates to government monies to them for absolutely nothing, or rather they are robbing the national tax base once again!
http://www.ips-dc.org/articles/the_trojan_horse_in_the_debt_debate
The corporation which will benefit the most? General Electric, of course. (The “Jobs Czar” is GE’s CEO, Jeffrey Immelt, who appears to be hellbent in making more Americans unemployed and impoverished --- WTF is he doing as the Jobs Czar?????)
From the report by Sarah Anderson, Scott Klinger and Brent Soloway: The biggest potential winners are General Electric, which could reap a tax windfall of as much as $35.7 billion on its overseas earnings stash of $102 billion, and Microsoft, which could garner a savings of $19.4 billion on its $60.8 billion in accumulated foreign earnings.
The top 63 corporations claim this will lower the national debt, but then they usually do claim the exact opposite of what their perfidy will accomplish!
Regarding the “downfall” of CIA director, General Petraeus --- it’s interesting to note that the ostensible “instigator,” Paula Broadwell, is a reservist in military intelligence.
One might construe how often, historically speaking, reservists in military intelligence have made the perfect sacrificial lamb.
It was only a few years back when a senator, working on the creation of national legislation for collective bargaining rights for all Americans, was killed, along with members of his family, in a suspicious aircraft accident.
Just prior to takeoff, a last-minute copilot replacement, Michael Guess (a reservist in military intelligence), boarded their plane with a piece of luggage.
Michael Guess had also been a friend of Moussaoui, the so-called “20th hijacker of 9/11” (Guess even gave Moussaoui his very own copy of Microsoft’s Flight Simulator).
The death of Senator Paul Wellstone (and some of the members of his family) and the downfall of Gen. Patreaus may deserve much closer scrutiny?
[Special Note: At the School of the Americas they used to teach a procedure for bringing down an aircraft. Give the unwitting saboteur a recording device (or so they would tell them) which was in actuality a container of either knockout gas or an incendiary device, armed with a pre-set timer. When the unwitting saboteur pressed what he or she believed to start the recording device, the timer would begin. Hence, the objective was accomplished and all possible witnesses were disposed of.]
From the current Corporate Crime File:
Bank of New York Mellon’s subsidiary was recently fined in the many millions of dollars for colluding with Bernie Madoff. (Not this item, this was back last April:
On Monday, the Federal Reserve reportedly fined Bank of New York Mellon $6 million for allegedly putting up ineligible collateral when it borrowed money under one of the central bank's emergency loan programs in 2008.
This item: The New York State Attorney General’s office has announced a $210 million settlement deal with Ivy Asset Management. The New York Mellon bank subsidiary had advised its clients to invest with Bernie Madoff.
House Republicans found Jon Corzine guilty of misappropriation of funds (as in stealing over $1 billion, etc.) while House Dems refused to vote him guilty as charged? Evidently, the Goldman Sachs Dems are actually different from the Goldman Sachs Repubs --- they each support different Goldman Sachs guys!
http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/ceo-campaign-to-fix-the-debt
(the report link below)
http://www.ips-dc.org/files/5507/IPS-CEO-Campaign-to-Fix-the-Debt-report.pdf
(the bad guys’ link)
http://www.fixthedebt.org/
(And from the Dave Files)
http://cryptome.org/2012-info/petraeus-kelley/pict1.jpg
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/14/epitaph-for-a-four-star/
http://www.someonewritethisdown.com/lilsarg/PETRAEUS_CHART.pdf
Gosh, it almost seems like we can't trust people anymore.
I miss the good old days of honest government.
Where's Ike when you need him? Or even that refreshingly straight forward VP of his.