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What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?
A lot of attention is being given to the fact that residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States.
Daily Caller reports:
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
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Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin.
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States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
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Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
As Google notes, web searches for the term “secession” are being run in a number of states:
Conservatives – such as Judge Napolitano and Ron Paul - say that the states have the right to secede. And Texas governor Rick Perry said that Texas has a right to secede (although he counsels against it at the current time).
On the other hand, most liberals say that the Civil War ended the state’s right to secede. Huffington Post is covering the wave of secession petitions … to ridicule them.
Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“.
As the Daily Caller notes, liberals have launched their own counter-petitions:
In a … nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.
Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”
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A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
Yahoo News argues that the petitions are meaningless:
The petitions are little more than symbolic—and nothing new. Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 and 2008 elections.
Libertarian website Lew Rockwell argues in a piece by Ryan McMaken that nothing will come of the current secession attempts, but that the principle is important:
I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing “God Bless America” at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.
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The Declaration makes a simple argument:
- Humans have rights from the Creator.
- Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it).
- When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains[:]
Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775–1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
Ron Paul says that states have the right so secede … and predicts they will do so when the dollar collapses:
My take has been the same for many years … I believe that America – like the Soviet Union – may break up when corruption and tyranny lead to the break down of basic systems.
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"What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?"
Punchline:
The fast track onto a government no fly list.
As one wise person said on ZH, you do not ask the government permission to secede. You just do it.
Successful secessions succeed States successions.
Hope that clarifies the proper usage for those who are confused.
Good sentence, should be States' though
Why not simply reverse the logic? We kick Snooki-Land and everything to the north of Joisy out of the union. Maybe the Canucks would want 'em, but I doubt it. We would be free from the Jew York media and all manner of continuing criminal enterprises. Maybe we could even enforce some laws.
Blue States are blue by a few percentage points and Red States are red by a few percentage points. There is no clear dimising line, I wish it were that simple. It's mostly urban areas throughout the country that are blue. The bigger the City, the more blue it makes the entire State, in terms of electoral votes.
In rural areas they are less dependent on centralized government. They know how to fish, hunt and grow vegetables. I have a big garden but I am in New Orleans, I see people here use food stamps at the grocery store and drive off in Cadillac Escalades. This city will not be pretty when they take away the tit.
In rural areas they are less dependent on centralized government. They know how to fish, hunt and grow vegetables. I have a big garden but I am in New Orleans, I see people here use food stamps and drive off in Escalades. It aint gonna be pretty in the Big Easy when they take away the titty.
True, but New England has been a serial offender. The real madness would be to go on as if nothing has changed, when the parasites clearly intend to steal everything.
Simple. It means there are terrorists in every state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncTgMi3pWc
Terrorists or patriotic Americans who are tired of all the bullshit coming out of Washingtoon? I've never heard of a patriotic American blowing up school buses or stoning a woman for being raped, have you?
sarcasm
Get to know your local sheriff before he gets to know you.
We have seen a superpower go bankrupt not so long ago. Ask yourself, what happened to the soviet union when they folded? They broke up, many "states" left (yes there were winners and losers - there always are) and when the creditors came a knocking the Kremlin simply said "what soviet union?, That country does not exist and neither does it's debt."
Hedge accordingly.
post of the day
Here I was thinking you were talking about the bankruptcy of another superpower; Eastmak Kodak.
What happened when THEY folded. A lot of photographers were left. And when they went looking for film, the retailer said, 'what's film?, that product does not exist, and neither does your hobby."
So the true photographers bought Fuji film in shabby little specialty stores while the rest of us went digital.
Buy gadgets accordingly. The world is changing just fast enough to make everything you know turn out to be wrong.
BTW, anybody want to buy a nice 1971 Pentax 35 MM reflex camera?
Dr Sandi ...How much?
Just kidding. That camera kept me fed in my freest and darkest times.
And that's sad too, because I'm a crappy photographer. But you don't have to be great to capture the essence of a car wreck.
Holy shit. Now I'm getting down voted for trivial bits of my life story?
Is ZH a great place or what?
Update: As Bob Unruh notes, Supreme Court Justice Scalia thinks that the states can't secede ... but Thomas Jefferson thought they could.
Supreme Court Justice Scalia thinks that the states can't secede ... but Thomas Jefferson thought they could.
Well, seems Scalia is not aware of the CON CON.
DUH!
So much for the "consent of the governed", eh. George, our understanding today of the founders dream of soveriegn states in a union or compact of choice for mutual benefit is so foreign to most people that it is truly astonishing and alarming. People only have known the nanny state and are unable to conceive of liberty and freedom without the intervention of a monolithic big brother system. It is what it is I guess.
Well the Supine Kangaroo Court thinks it's o.k. to take away your private property to increase tax revenues and that corporations are individuals - so of course they don't think the rest of The Constitution applies.
"The Dirty Dozen, How Twelve Supreme Court Cases Radically Expanded Government and Eroded Freedom"; ISBN: 978-1-935308-27-0
That pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
Yes, in 1776, IF you were a white, land-owning, male. Not much voting back then for Blacks, Women, or Poor White Males.
In the wrong place; removed.
That axe is so old it can't chop zucchini.
You forgot to mention homos, or didn't they exist before all the brainwashing you've enjoyed?
That depends on how old YOU are.
Wow, things certainly have changed.
In the olden days, Blacks, Women or Poor White Males had little say in how the federal government operated. Now, white, land-owning male persons ALSO have little say in how the federal government operates.
Now THAT'S EQUALITY!!!
In the olden days, Blacks, Women or Poor White Males had little say in how the federal government operated.
Prior to the Civil War people in the states had NO vote in the federal govt.
State legislatures dealt with the federal government, not the people at large. State legislatures elected the president, appointed senators, etc, not the people at large.
But there were no federal taxes on the people at large either. The federal govt had no direct dealings with the people in the states.
That all changed after the Civil War. The federal govt started "reaching out and touching" the people directly, bypassing state legislatures.
Why did it happen at that time? Because the Civil War is where the federal govt conquered the states and the people in them, particularly confederate states.
The south lost that war, meaning the south was conquered and taken captive in a legal sense.
Fed govt could have dissolved state constitutions, governments, legislatures, etc and appointed regional governors if they wanted to, but they chose to leave it all in place to keep up appearances, then simply bypassed it and went straight to the people, as evidenced by the 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th amendments, dealing with the new federal connection to the people directly. They were now citizens of the federal govt (by virutue of being conquered in war) , now the national govt actually, no longer restricted to D.C., but ruling the entire nation now.
So no, states no longer have a right to scecede, they were conquered in war, they're not even states anymore in the original sense, more like federal territories now.
Actually in 1776 sufferage was left up to the States, sort like deciding whether they even wanted to foot the bill for the federal government, much less listen to or abide by anything it said.
All those who sign petitions and talk jibberish of secession are full of it. If you have the balls to do it, move yourself and your entire family to a nation of your choosing; with an acceptable form of government.
Or.....
My advice is to go to the local library and read a lot of good books on anything but current events.
Do not read about or watch ANY politician for the next several months.
Every politician in this country is a fucking proven liar who wants to take something from you in order for him/her to fulfill his /her scumbag agenda.
Blame the political hack of either party of your choosing. Everyone on both sides is guilty as charged.
Also, don't forget to blame yourselves for electing these pieces of garbage to steal from us over the years.
Whether we like it or not, the world as we know it is changing drastically. The objective of multiple worldwide QE's appears to me as a complete failure of national fiat currencies, and the infancy of a bureaucratic United Nations SDR program all of us must live with.
Lot's of red lights to above post.
Seceding from the union is an exercise in futility.
Love living in denial, right???
This is why our country is in trouble.
Most people are too stupid and lazy to do anything to solve their own problems.
Most just like to blame.
I'm Canadian and have lived my whole life (44+) with the threat of Quebec wanting to secede.
Unfortunately, we can't convince them to take Ontario with them.
Ah well, c'est la vie!
As long as BC is free, you'll be fine mate.
double post
The US is like a bloated disjointed conglomerate... without the private equity vultures and asset strippers about to threaten to slice it up all lean..
We the People
of the United STATES of America
Alex Jones Show: Thursday (11-15-12) Edwin Vieira Jr. & Lew Rockwellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd5r3H3Bn4&feature=g-u-u
Seriously George?
Does anybody else think it's obvious that this is the product of internet tools and cyber-factions getting some piss out?
Which is not meant as commentary on the worthiness of their cause. Just sayin'.
It ain't that many people.
At this point trolling petitions.whitehouse.gov is the new crank yanking.
Secession, Bitchez.
This is simply a Gesture, the only real LEGAL way out is a Con Con.............................38 states(RED), call it, and elect their own delegates,( With ZERO interference by the Feds, any branch) and amend any and all the Rights given to the Feds by same.
Set up the new LAW, Amended Const, and they MUST abide, OR it gets real.
The Military would stand down, and then we see who's ass is the Redest.
How bout Renewal, baby.
Renew the Republic. 'Secession' is a word the mainstream media will demonize, like they did the word 'sovereign' in the late 90s. We need a renewal of the Constitution and Republic.
Just give "we the people" one state. That's all we ask. Just one. The Bankers can have the rest.
Well, En, you can give it all away, but if they come after me and my family's house I guaranee we will have a situation.
just curious - have you a definition for "we" and "people" as yet?
these things matter in Law. *nods*
Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“.
Not if the Schumer - Boehner Reich Flight Tax passes.