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What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?
A lot of attention is being given to the fact that residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States.
Daily Caller reports:
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
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Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin.
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States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
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Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
As Google notes, web searches for the term “secession” are being run in a number of states:
Conservatives – such as Judge Napolitano and Ron Paul - say that the states have the right to secede. And Texas governor Rick Perry said that Texas has a right to secede (although he counsels against it at the current time).
On the other hand, most liberals say that the Civil War ended the state’s right to secede. Huffington Post is covering the wave of secession petitions … to ridicule them.
Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“.
As the Daily Caller notes, liberals have launched their own counter-petitions:
In a … nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.
Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”
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A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
Yahoo News argues that the petitions are meaningless:
The petitions are little more than symbolic—and nothing new. Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 and 2008 elections.
Libertarian website Lew Rockwell argues in a piece by Ryan McMaken that nothing will come of the current secession attempts, but that the principle is important:
I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing “God Bless America” at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.
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The Declaration makes a simple argument:
- Humans have rights from the Creator.
- Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it).
- When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains[:]
Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775–1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
Ron Paul says that states have the right so secede … and predicts they will do so when the dollar collapses:
My take has been the same for many years … I believe that America – like the Soviet Union – may break up when corruption and tyranny lead to the break down of basic systems.
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There already is a Reichsfluchtsteuer in the USSA. If you leave, everything you take with you is basically taxed as income ALL OVER AGAIN. Thank you Adolf Bush.
http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expatriation-Tax
"There already is a Reichsfluchtsteuer in the USSA. If you leave, everything you take with you is basically taxed as income ALL OVER AGAIN. Thank you Adolf Bush."\\
So burn it all to the ground or leave it for the looters. Wow....that'll take at least a couple of seconds to act on.
Boating accidents will become even more popular in the USSA of the future.
Tempest in a teapot. The international banking cartel would never allow it.
..whom are one of our choice enemies to go after. Pre-emptive strikes might be in order.
When the hell are they ALL going to file a petition against S.A.G.
Stop Chemtrail spraying petitions should be in every court house right now.
WAKE UP people,please tell your friends and family if they do not know it is going on.
Learn up "On the Weather in 2025".
See what your tax dollars are up to.
The RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION is enshrined in international law, and speaking of the international perspective that troglodyte american "liberals" tend worship with their limited minds-
In regards to Texas (pop 25M) - 100,000 signatures were collected without the backing of any major political party in FIVE DAYS. In Switzerland (with 1/3 the population of Texas) the threshold for such a measure would be the collection 100,000 signatures in EIGHTEEN MONTHS.
Methinks they could scrounge up another 200,000 signatures in a lot less than 17 months 25 days, at which point they would have met the threshold in the most sophisticated direct democracy in the world.
Finally- if George Clooney and the Jew Conglomerate want to raise money and awareness for self determination for the South Sudanese but are against Americans enjoying that same right, then they should be at best boycotted or better yet disfigured until they no longer desire to show their hypocritical faces in public anymore.
Human Rights are color blind.
For now it's just talk, and maybe a cathartic release for those who are fed up with the status-quo. It will get interesting when a state (say, Texas) passes a referendum to secede. That's when I'll get excited.
At this point it is just talk, and unfortunately, it is extremely disingenuous, shallow and hypocritical talk. Secession an incredibly complex issue, in the case of Texas they could ring fence Austin ala West Berlin post WW2 and within six months legally subdivide the State and effectively secede, which would leave a city with 800,000 with 34 electoral votes in the federal election... But there are much larger questions about the role of government and property rights that are not even being discussed, much less decided by the citizenry, either in the context of secession or the evolution of US government.
You feeling o.k?
Apparently the pre-election idealogy-driven media saturation bombing doesn't have the fallout to make it across the Atlantic, either that or it's the 2am local time thing, which I should probably address- thx
I'd gladly renounce my right to all federal benefits so that I don't have to pay taxes to Washington. I'll pay my local taxes, in fact I'll allow my city to have all of my federal tax dollars. My city will throw out all low income housing and if you want to do business in the city, you won't be allowed to accept EBT anywhere. The only bank allowed within the city limits will be the community bank based in my city.
I'd call that a start.
There is that single county in Georgia that technically isn't part of the USA. We'll make that the capital of the New Southern Confederation.
I'm curious; which county??
Naw, they pussed out in 1945 and rejoined
What if all 50 states were successful and decided to join up in a loose union of states. Would they still use the same constitution and follow it this time?
Well, a loose union would be one governed by the Articles of Confederation. The Constitutional Convention was a coup that created a consolidated federal power.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north291.html
I'm thinking a certain number of dark skinned people would have to be thrown out of the 50 states for that to happen. Might be a problem.
Maybe we give them Maine, or New Mexico.
No, give them Florida and Ohio.
No, give 'em Illinios....SOUTHERN Illinios.
New England plus NY.
Texas has the best chance. They have ag land, ports, oil, and a large workforce. If Texas joined with Louisiana and Miss, they could form a nice little country.
Sounds like the nation of Lichtenstein, except for the ag land, ports, oil and large workforce.
TX has some of the highest poverty, worst schools, and the highest pollution rates in the USA. Take it away, people.
TX has some of the highest poverty, worst schools, and the highest pollution rates in the USA. Take it away, people.
While it could be better, I do not know why one person would be without the basics of life here.
It's free, and it's at many places.Schools are being dealt with(like the rest of the Union is any better?).
As the 15th largest economy on the planet, I figure we could take care of ourselves just fine than you.
Also, Texas gets NOTHING from the Feds that was not FIRST taken from us.
This the Feds GIVE, is a fricking joke.
We get back less than they take, by a mile.
Texas was a sovereign nation when it joined, and reserved the right to secede.
I see a fascinating role for this movement, as the successor to the tea party and the legal/above ground spokesmen for the low grade civil war which is sure to develop. Velvet divorce, or blood and guts? Living as the last producers in a parasite nation is a piss poor option.
Just another chapter in the book titled "Divide and Conquer."
The more stuff that's broken, the more opportunity they have to consolidate power.
Otherwise, we'd be free by now.
Its just too hot in the summer in those states. The secession document would catch fire in the Texas sun.
"All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?"
Holy Shit, it's revolution in reverse ...a Rewindalution
Kudos to the Yanks right across America for getting their oar in so early. i thought this would be a few years away at least. That's alot of people being very clued up, I'm impressed boys, there's hope for you yet ;)
There's very little value to be had by begging the master for lighter (or no) chains.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." -- JFK
Cheap McDonald's burgers make strenuous physical activity impossible.
Only 49 states can secede, unless the last one is seceding from DC.
I'm the asshole that junked you(lightly).
D.C. isn't a state, and you ruined a perfectly GOOD punchline, "Born in Macedonia"-MF.
AIDE: Mr. President, we have hundreds of thousands of signatures on e-petitions, all asking that their state be allowed to secede.
PREZ: You're not taking this seriously, I hope.
AIDE: I have to, sir. They're all using bold face type.
@KingTut
Actually, there are 50 States and D.C. which, is the special federal entity called the District of Columbia which, is NOT A STATE.
D.C. is a City State, like The Vatican and The City in London. In 1871 the District of Columbia Act started a corporation called THE UNITED STATES, (all capital letters). In the original constitution we were listed as these united states of America (only the 'A' was capitalised). Lawyers find ways to use capital letters to change meanings in documents to fool the masses. We became a corporation owned bty the British CROWN, also a corporation.
DC & Puerto Rico would make a swell country.
We can avoid secession ONLY if we end the fed and get on a metal standard.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/end-federal-reserve-system-and...
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/end-federal-reserve-system-and...
Sign up and lets get as much press for this as for secession.
Because now, the EPA, FBI and IRS will crawl up my ass with a microscope, read all my email, shut down my business, and take what's left of my 50% untaxed income if I tell them so.
Revolution is the ultimate public good -- the benefits of escape, however, enure to the risk-taker.
Shrub of Liberty must occasionally water by hemoglobin.
But only urine can make giant pumpkin.
And I wondered why I don't like pumkin.
True but i'd recommend you wind up your own business if you can, get off the Govt radar screens and trade from the boot of your car (if possible). Do as much biz as you can under the table, off the books and again if you can, dump the huge expense of premises/rent
Aim for Zero (cost base) ...you're going to need every penny of profit and to run circles around the big diseased dinosaurs
Here is a blog I wrote about the sham election related to politics. This bread and circuses act is getting old.
http://usa-wethepeople.com/2012/11/voter-fraud-explained-for-the-republi...
As far as succession from the union when the fiat dies do it.
Econ'96 - i just said the same damn thing about voter fraud in Wolf Richters last column. The Presidential turn-out was pitiful. If the electoral frauds numbers of 50% turn-out were true, that's 110 MILLION people voting, the city's and towns of the US would be fucking log-jammed like you've never seen in your life
it's bad enough trying to get 50-60,000 people into the Cowboys football stadium let alone 10, 20 or even 30 times that amount into polling booths. It would be madness and chaos if 110 million people tried to vote, bus services would be run off their totally inept legs, the roads crammed with cars
the Presidential election num,bers are an absolute and complete f'ing lie ..by a MASSIVE amount
Honestly, I don't understand why this topic has any legs whatsoever. You can find a small group of citizens in every state who support just about anything.
The only important question is: what percentage of citizens want to secede? The answer is essentially 0%
Can we please move on with subjects that aren't microscopically important.
Dont get out of your urban bubble much, do ya Sparky?
Run that poll in the South and you will get large numbers.
Don't be a child. "Large numbers". Define that. What kind of "large numbers"? 51%? Because that's what you need. But I'll be impressed with 20%? No? 10%? No? Is it even 1%? No it isn't. Not even in the South. Please wait out on the curb for the short bus. This whole topic is retarded.
And let me say: I **WISH** this topic had legs. I'd love to see a couple states secede as it would send a clear message to our central planners. But this is about mathematics, and the numbers are so low as to make this entire topic idiotic to even contemplate. We're talking about a small percentage of a percentage point.
South's got lots of large numbers.
http://chartsbin.com/view/1403
maybe some weaning to do before they leave the "union"
Let your eyes drift over to the right of the "table"...now there's some real centrally planned growth potential.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834804576301244003755956.html