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War In Gaza: Why Now?

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Election Politics?

It was widely reported that Israel agreed to delay any war against Iran until after U.S. elections.

A little over a week after the election, Israel launched a "targeted assassination" against the leader of Hamas (who Haaretz called Israel's subcontractor in Gaza). That is what started the current round of fighting. Rabbi Arthur Waskow agrees that Israel started the fighting.

Professor Michel Chossudovsky notes:

On November 14,  Hamas military commander Ahmed Jabari was murdered in a Israeli missile attack. In a bitter irony,  barely a few hours before the attack, Hamas received  the draft proposal of a permanent truce agreement with Israel.

 

“Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.”(Haaretz, November 15, 2012)

 

The targeted assassination  of  Ahmed Jabari was followed by an extensive bombing campaign under Operation Pillar of Cloud.  The latter consists of a carefully planned military endeavor.

 

F-16 fighter planes, Apache helicopters and unmanned drones were deployed. Israeli naval forces deployed along the Gaza shoreline were  involved in extensive shelling of civilian targets.

 

Israel’s defense minister Ehud Barack has confirmed a scenario of military escalation, blaming Palestine for having committed acts of aggression: .

 

“[t]he provocations we have suffered and the firing of rockets to the southern settlements within Israel have forced us to take this action. I want to make clear that Israeli citizens will not suffer such actions. The targets are to hit the rockets and to harm the organization of Hamas.”

 

The Israeli attacks were followed by the firing of dozens of rockets by Hamas against Israel.

Palestine’s response was known to Israeli war planners. The resulting Israeli civilian casualties are now being used to justify military escalation on humanitarian grounds.

 

What we are dealing with is a carefully planned operation, a clear act of provocation. The deaths of Israeli civilians (envisaged and foreseen by IDF military planners) are being used to muster the support of the Israeli  public.

 

Meanwhile, the Israeli attack is casually portrayed by the Western media as part of a legitimate counter-terrorism agenda.

(Glenn Greenwald notes that America’s targeted assassination policy is identical to that of Israel.  This could escalate quickly.  Not only are Israel and Hamas exchanging rocket fire – with casualties of children on both sides -  but Israel is calling up calling up 30,000 reserve soldiers ahead of a possible ground invasion of Gaza.)

Israel is holding its own elections in January.  Many commentators say that the attacks on Gaza are a cynical ploy by the Israeli Prime Minister to win re-election:

Netanyahu was accused by left-wing opposition Hadash party MP Mohammed Baraka [the leader of the Israeli Hadash opposition party] of “making another round in a circle of blood for cynical political interests” and “speculating in the blood of the Palestinian people.”

 

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Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn denounced the regime, saying that “once again Israel has wantonly attacked the people of Gaza, bombing and killing.

 

“This is effectively a first world state attacking a poor and largely defenceless population. It looks like a rerun of Operation Cast Lead,” he said.

 

“The timing is interesting and it looks like Netanyahu is creating a crisis to ensure his re-election”, the MP added.

Leading German newspaper Spiegel reports:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is hoping the offensive in the Gaza Strip wins his Likud party more votes in January’s election.

 

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“When the cannons roar, we see only Netanyahu and Barak on the screen, and all the other politicians have to applaud them,” wrote the daily Haaretz in a commentary published Thursday. “The assassination of (Hamas’ top military commander Ahmed) Jabari will go down in history as another showy military action initiated by an outgoing government on the eve of an election.”

 

Indeed, one can conclude that the most recent offensive against militants in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip– which started Wednesday with the killing of Jabari — has been conceived as more of a show fight for the Israeli public than the beginning of a decisive battle.

And Asia times writes:

So why snuff out al-Jabari? Simple. Israel goes to the polls in January. Thus emerges Bibi's political campaigning in full-action mode. Campaign motto: Let's kill Palestinians. With such thrills on offer, any other Israeli political voice - even slightly dissenting - is drowned.

Precursor to War with Iran?

The top British Rabbi – when asked by the BBC on his thoughts on what’s really going on in Gaza right now – replied:

I think it has got to do with Iran, actually.

Why Iran?

Anti War lays out one theory:

This escalation occurs just days after widespread reports about newly reelected Obama mulling a grand bargain with Iran over its disputed nuclear program. Barbara Slavin and Laura Rozen at Al-Monitor reported on Monday that US officials told them Washington was considering offering a “more for more” deal with Iran, based on the fuel swap deal from Obama’s first term.

 

So what does Israel’s impending war on defenseless Gaza have to do with Iran diplomacy? Here’s a tweet from the Tehran bureau chief for the New York Times, Thomas Erdbrink:

Forget ANY #Iran-US talks if conflict in Gaza escalates

 

— Thomas Erdbrink (@ThomasErdbrink) November 14, 2012

And here:

#Iran leaders can never be seen as talking to US, while its “eternal” ally Israel assassinates Iran’s ideological allies

 

— Thomas Erdbrink (@ThomasErdbrink) November 14, 2012

I suspect this point was not lost on the Israeli leadership, either. So, is Netanyahu knowingly escalating military tensions in order to avoid a successful diplomatic overture? I’m speculating, but it isn’t far fetched. We know from extensive reporting, mainly in Israeli media, that in 2010 – just as President Obama requested a freeze on Jewish settlements in the West Bank with the aim of resuming peace talks – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tried to provoke Iran into a war with Israel that would eventually drag in the United States.

 

It reminds me of what former CIA Middle East analyst Paul Pillar referred to this week as “Netanyahu’s tension-stoking brinksmanship: to divert attention from continued Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory and inaction on the festering Israeli-Palestinian conflict.” “[T]he Iran issue,” Pillar has previously written, provides a “distraction” from international “attention to the Palestinians’ lack of popular sovereignty.” Now the situation seems reversed: Israel is escalating war with Gaza to maintain deadlock with their favorite scapegoat, Iran.

Israel, lest we forget, instigated this resumption of missile exchanges last week when two Palestinian civilians were shot and killed and

 

Israeli tanks intruded into Gaza, prompting Gaza militants to respond by targeting Israeli soldiers, which then gave Israel an excuse to unleash successive airstrikes. And Israel had numerous chances to pacify the situation, considering Hamas publicly offered to establish a total ceasefire and Egypt appeared about to broker a truce between the two. Israel has intentionally inched towards escalation from the beginning. Are we to believe this isn’t strategic?

A second theory is that this is a prelude to an Israeli attack on Iran.   Specifically, some theorize that Israeli is trying to assassinate top Hamas militants before hitting Iran … so that Iran’s proxy Hamas cannot retaliate.

A third theory is that Israel is trying to drag Iran into a war.  Given that Israeli treatment of Palestinians is perhaps the key source of hostility towards the current Israeli administration in the Arab world, starting a war in Gaza may be an attempt by Israeli to drag Iran into war.

After all, Iran backs Hamas, and Israel just assassinated a top Hamas leader after making an overture of peace to him.  So some believe that Israel is attempting to poke the hornet’s nest in an attempt to justify wider war.

By provoking Hamas into attacking, Israel might point to Hamas-backer Iran. Specifically, Israel may claim that pre-emptive strikes on Iran are "necessary" to undermine Hamas and make sure it doesn't obtain "weapons of mass destruction".

 

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Tue, 11/20/2012 - 11:13 | 2998697 4exNinja
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Religious fundamentalist monkeys...all of them. Can't they just leave the (semi-)sane rest of us alone?

I say the US, China, and Russia march into Jerusalem and turn it into an international Disneyland style attraction open to everone. Anyone not happy with this forever loses the right to visit. 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 08:20 | 2995447 Aquarius
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@SunTzu

"Humble words and increased preparations are signs that the enemy is about to advance."

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http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/netanyahu-leading-israel-to...

Ho Hum

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:11 | 2993593 Rudolph Steiner
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OOdles and Oodles of nat gas and oil were discovered off the Gaza coast about a dozen years ago now.With The Investment Fund for the Palestine Authority-British Gas-Consolidated Contractors Company agreements notwithstanding, lately Egypt is proving less than cooperaive with Isreal in matters of energy.

Too, the MENA gameboard is percieved as vulnerable by lack of clarity, clear leadership dynamic. Better to ask what took Isreal to so long to to play this card? Why is it they imagine the time right, right now? And, If it isn't, what economic-political-military dymanic have they overlooked? THAT is the question.

Does Isreal imagine the world will just turn away, and British royalties will be written to them rather than the PA?  Hmmmm perhaps they imagine some threat of their playing the genocide card, on the Palestinians, as the only real option in matters of necessity. This would be sad. This would be a sad gambit because this is NOT 1967.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:59 | 2993565 Volaille de Bresse
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"so that Iran’s proxy Hamas cannot retaliate"

 

Except that Hamas reps said in March 2012 that they wouldn't retaliate if Iran was attacked.

This 180 degree turn probably has sth to do with the fact that Hamas has found a new funder : Iran's deadly enemy Qatar.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:26 | 2993319 Clashfan
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calling up calling up

typo

:)

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 05:11 | 2993236 morpheus000
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thats why the israelis love americans theyre so fucking dumb theyll believe anything...what makes "jews" the supposed tribe of Judah(even if current day Jews have any relation to the tribe of Judah) inheritors of the land of Israel?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:00 | 2993375 my puppy for prez
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Even IF they were the tribe of Judah, which they are not, God is not pleased with their behavior.  Jesus made it very clear that the Talmud (which Orthodoxy and the ideology of the Israeli state is based on) is EVIL, and of Satan.  He kicked them out of Palestine in 70 AD for a reason.  Those same conditions of their behavior exist today and manifest in the morally, spiritually, financially, and politically dysfunctional mess that it is.  Of course, the rest of the world is supposed to ignore their reputation of drug and human trafficking, pornography, and societal oppression.  We MUST ignore all of these inconvenient truths, because they are "God's chosen".  Ya.....right. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:52 | 2993243 NuYawkFrankie
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Yup,  nothing more unashamedly pathetically dense than Isarael's snarling pitbull and yapping poodle -  the Dumb Yank and the Thick Brit.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:20 | 2993193 Setarcos
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I could be wrong, but I think that this latest assault on Gaza fits with the Zionist intent to occupy everywhere from the Nile to the Euphrates ... though how on Earth that could be achieved, without total Washington support, is a mystery, e.g. because Israel has such a small population of (so called) jewish immigrants from Europe, the US and Russia.

It'd all be a farce if this bunch of misfits were not nuclear-armed and unconditionally supported by Washington, London, Paris and other empire satraps.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:57 | 2993231 Aquarius
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Israel has ben attempting to get full controlof the Litani River in Southern Lebanon for decades; it is just a few kilometres from the Israeli border and it is always on their minds: I understand that they need it when they take over the whole of Palestine. So you may be correct, but,

I have been watching Netanyahu very closely, and as aforesaid, I believe that his ambition is to have total control over the White House; He already fully controls Congress (both houses) with both factions voting without dissent to support Israel in this current aggression against Gaza. When he last spoke to Congress he received 29? standing ovations from the floor. Has any President even dreamed of such a thing? And the "neocons" appear to control every major Federal Government Agency in and out of the USA. With the outing of US Generals, Petraus and Allen, I believe Netanyahu will have his wet-dream.

We shall see.

Ho Hum

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 21:16 | 2992662 blindman
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@"why now?"
cause the underlying is transparently fucked and bankrupt, becoming obvious, a ponzi fraud, bank-rupt. appears to be a compound construction of bank origin and corruption, redundant it seems. so there we go, reliance and belief in fraud and lies for the young, old and the rest; mostly for the system and it's guides and professional proponents, commenter and shills blindly and incoherently promoting status quo and continuation of that which fails most publicly and
visibly, begging continuance and if impossible,
some sort of forgiveness, see? the religious element is
always in the wings, like john wilkes booth, appearing
to murder with righteousness. ( central intelli-arms-
industrial, gdp, complex of contractoring ) in the name
of god and death, the god of death loving murder where
we find our leadership today.
so, bibi wants war to erase the bad math of his crime
scene and source of the richness of creating debt money
out of faith and hammering the source of the debt with
the commitment that was shouldered, slave like, by the
unsuspecting many; of honesty, good will with an
abundance of ignorance of the systemic deceit and
usury.
prerogative and sovereignty, placing their riches on the
con artistry of the century. free bernie, free bernie ! and ken lay, resurrect him from his oblivion in new zealand and make him king !
king of the screws !
so goes the evil nature of the monetary system that
requires mass murdering psychopaths like bibi to resort
to in extremis end times to place your trust toward as
you ignore the basis of your own ineptitude and impotence. they make great comedy of this in new york
on the t.v. it is called weekend evening entertainment
for the part of the city that retains services of this
kind.
peace at all cost is the only way forward, either
that or the hell you imagined and worse as your pay day.
choose and make your voice heard, or not.
we will see?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 18:55 | 2992420 blindman
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.."ABRAHAM LINCOLN - 1865
In 1865, during the time Lincoln was attempting (and thereafter succeeded) in creating a debt-free currency for the People; this editorial was printed in the London Times.
"If this mischievous financial policy [of creating a debt-free currency], which has its origin in the American Republic, shall become permanent, then that government will furnish its own money without cost! It will pay off its debts and be without debt.
It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe!"

Note the words, "That government must be destroyed..."
Was this a declaration of war against America by the bankers?
Who won this war?
Is America "...prosperous without precedent in the history of the world."?
Was that John Wilkes Booth a banker's agent? And, like John F. Kennedy after him, was Lincoln assassinated for trying to rout out the "Den of Vipers and thieves" that Andrew Jackson referred to?

The English money lenders have co-operated with the money lenders of our country and in 1862 an agent, quietly and under a confidential seal, distributed among the aristocrats and the wealthy class a circular. It was called the Hazard Circular and related to the Civil War.

It read:

"Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power and all chattel slavery abolished. This I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care of the laborers, while the European plan, led on by England, is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages. The great debt that the capitalists will see to it is made out of the war, must be used as a means to control the volume of money. To accomplish this the bonds must be used as a banking basis. We are now waiting for the Secretary of the Treasury to make this recommendation to Congress. IT WILL NOT DO TO ALLOW THE GREENBACK, as it is called, TO CIRCULATE AS MONEY any length of time, as WE CAN NOT CONTROL THAT. But we can control the bonds and through them the bank issues."
Hazard Circular of 1862" .....
...
Colonial Script

Contributed by: Dave Hayes

http://www.kamron.com/Liberty/colonial_script.htm

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:03 | 2993377 my puppy for prez
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Good one, blindman!  Thanks for the link, too...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 18:00 | 2992314 Aquarius
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Today, Obama handed the "leadership" of the USA - and the Western World - to Israel; over the telephone while speaking to Netanyahu. Netanyahu now controls the US military. To make his point Netanyahu will murder as many Gaza residents - preferably children, as HE deems necessary to secure his position.

Today, is the turning point for Humanity.

Today, Israel will dictate Government Policy to all Western Nations (of peoples).

Today, all peoples are in Debt to Israel.

Today.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:46 | 2992626 Pink Floyd
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Aquariuswhy do you spread lies and deceit?

Your lies are so stupid that anybody can see through.

 

I"ll relate only to one of your lies.

Hamas his bent on causing as many civilian casualties on both sides. Hamas declares it targets civilians on purpose, seeing civilians as legitimate targets, in fact the primary target. To add insult to injury, Hamas uses his on civilians as human shields, e.g. placing its rocket launcher and munitions depots in populated areas and schools.

Israel on the other hand goes out of its way to reduce civilian casualties on both sides. Israel has been making huges investments in shelters for its populace. Israel warns the enemy civilians about the impeding counter attacks. Israel is a master of precision and surgical attacks. 

Some are quick to criticize Israel about the number of civilian casualties. Recall that many became civilian after the dies as militants. Understand that perfection is impossible in fighting an army dug between civilians. Contrast with Syria and Iraq where the civilian casualties are numbered in the 100,000s.

100,000s of civilian casualties provides some proportion to how things look like when warring sides do not care about civilians.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:44 | 2992908 Aquarius
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Perhaps for some clarification is in order, I therefor offer you the following link for consideration:

context is rockets and deaths - Israeli offensives, from an independant source.

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33062.htm

 

Ho Hum

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:26 | 2993089 Setarcos
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A very pertinent link ++

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:29 | 2992877 Aquarius
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For your convenience and for your reading pleasure (or not) I have extracted from somewhere above the following letter (link) from the United Nations General Assembly Security Council.

 

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=s/2012/11

 

It relates a rather different picture of things on the ground in The Levant

 

Ho Hum

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:29 | 2993094 Spitzer
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We can count on GW and his henchmen like you to warm up the ovens on a daily basis

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:45 | 2993170 blindman
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you are not Elliot and you are out of your realm.
this commenter is the last person who would be
warming an oven, unlike yourself, who would gladly
stand by and toast a marshmallow.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:14 | 2992854 Aquarius
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"The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."  -  Interior Minister Eli Yishai on Israel's operation in Gaza:  

 

Ho Hum

 

PS Anything alse you want to know?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:50 | 2992844 Aquarius
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Remember the Bolshevik Revolution aka the October Revolution of 1917: Marx Lenin Trotsky Stalin, et al?

Marx supplied the erronius theory of economics of the State, which failed dramatically - like most Economic Theories (sic),

Lenin ordered the adult Romonovs to be shot but reserved the bayoneting and gutting for the children.

Due to Marx's Economic Theory failing, Lenin opted to first sacrifice 10M of the Russian Peoples but quickly doubled down on that to 24 M by his death in 1924.

Have you noticed that Israel's Economic Theory is hand-outs from the US Taxpayers? Sound familiar?

These are the same rable; of the same rable; they share the same Gods: Trotsky Strauss, Marx, Lenin, Schmidt.

Today they call themseves "neocons", and Zionists and their Talmud is called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

I call them barbarians, pre=moral sub-humans, savages who are decendants of the crazed Aztecs and earlier, the Volcano cults of Atlantis. They all have their love of mass sacrifice high on the list of priorities.

I also call them murderers, genocidists, criminals, thieves, liars and cowards.

Seems to me that the Yidd's/ Kazah's arranged for their own deliverance to the Levant and like a splinter of wood in the eye, it needs to be extracted. Where will they go next? To the USA as Netanyahu has now subordinated Obama as President(late last night with Obama's blessing) and today enjoys full and undivided support of both Houses of Congress. Quaint.

Ho hum

 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:24 | 2993176 Setarcos
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I am often in accord with you, but here you are factually wrong.

During my mis-spent (?) youth I studied Marx extensively and it is impossible that he: " supplied the erronius(sic) theory of economics of the State", because all he did was to analyze Capitalism in "Das Kapital".  And do little more than flounder around concerning alternatives.

He never supplied an alternative and refused to join nascent socialist and communitarian parties.

In his opinion Russia was the last place to expect a revolution, because Russia lacked a substantial working class (OK Marx actually despized the "lumpenproletariat" and was full of contradictions ... rather like the Bible, from which anyone can take any portion to 'justify' an opposite from what someone else believes is 'gospel').

Of course both before and after Marx' death, all kinds of factions proliferated - same with christianists and ALL other ideologies, whether supposedly 'spiritual' or secular.

Some 2,400 years ago Socrates questioned everyone he could find to get some agreement on religious/ideological matters ... and he could not find even two people in agreement, though ALL declared their 'rightness' ... so Socrates concluded that he was wise - as said by the Oracle of Delphi - because he, alone, knew he was ignorant in such matters.

In context:  Stalin was convinced that peasants should be forced to become "working class" - hence the drive for massive industrialization - whereas Lenin argued that the peasants already had 'communism' in their mutually supportive villages and did not need to be 'collectivized' ... of course Lenin was killed.

Meanwhile Trotsky was off on his own agendum of "permanent revolution" globally - picking his own favourites from the copious writings of Marx and Engels.

Yep he got killed in Mexico, but acolytes like Mussolini, and later the neo-cons via Strauss, turned everything on its head to pervert the socialism of Marx (however ill-defined) into a 'gospel' for Randian-style crony capitalism/financialism ... which is being played out NOW through creating chaos in the ME with never-ending war.

I could go on, but this'll suffice.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 15:30 | 2996569 morpheus000
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therefore the best way to protect yourself in a resource dieing world is to become a Party member...its not an efficiency issue etc...thats why the most voracious elites today are as lawless as the Bolsheviks

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 15:28 | 2996550 morpheus000
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youre not understanding Marx its not utopian...what he analyzes is inevitable...the dialectic is suppose to produce a solid ground until the universe dissapears...what you saw in Marxist-Leninist states can therefore be seen as a glimpse into the future of a dieing world

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 15:34 | 2996583 morpheus000
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Pol Pot is our future....

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:40 | 2993228 Aquarius
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@ Setarcos

Thank you for your commentary with which I totally agree. I haven't found any Economist who understands the "Economic Theory" that he supports, let alone any other Economic Theory. But saying that I believe Stalin and Trotsky were apparently in full agreement in this Bolshevik ideology except for two things 1. timing of the imposition of communism of the whole World and 2. Who should be the Leader. Stalin won the argument by having an icepick placed indelicately into Trotsky's head.

But what you point out is the precise makeup of the "collective" ie, all Party's have their own opinions as to the Constitution of the Collective, yet all are different. As a consequence, the Collective takes on, develops, evolves its own centrist nature and character - constitution, if you will, whereby all Partys' need to adjust themselves to this unnatural Ordering, despite them not understanding where such variants are derived. It is the same for Corporations, Governments, Bureaucracies ie in fact, for all Collectives.

I was attempting to highlight the role that all these "Economic Theories" play in war and mismanagment  of humanity and note that today, where there are >30 major Economic schools of thinking, things are precisely the same; nobody knows so it is all opinion and the final decision on matters of Economics being always,  a priori, based upon political expediency. My Blog has a number of posts which endeavor to bring this to light.

I apologize for the spelling mistake and thank you for your interesting comment.

I had the opportunity to interview over 500 people in a city and told them that all the drivers (of motor vehicles) in the City were dangerous and should not have a drivers license, let alone, be put in charge of any vehicle. All agreed happily with my statement (I was talking about them).

To conclude, I believe one significant problem is the difference in the definition of "State" and "Society": I have actually lived in a "Society" but now live in a "State" as are most Nations. Under the State the emphasis is imposed order and recursive scamming to maintain the Banking System where a Society is of peoples. No imposition at all except Laws against core crime.

Obviously, you comprehend more than I as to what is going on today, but there are answers to all our problems but murder and genocide, theft, lies, extortion and bombs do not form what I consider as morality, reason, integrity, ethics, etc.

kindest

 

 

 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:09 | 2993384 my puppy for prez
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Aquarius:  I want you to know that I have very much enjoyed your intellectual back and forth with Sotarco.  It is refreshing to read posts with a more philosophical, less jingoistic  tone.  

Your credibility is heightened by your lack of vitriole and brashness.  I applaud you for being able to stay above the frey of base emotions.  I am inspired by you to do better in this regard.

Thanks, and peace!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 17:46 | 2992292 foxmuldar
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Hamas is looking for some jew haters to strap on suicide vest for allah. I would think some of you here might want to volunteer.  

 

Hamas Releases Video in Hebrew - Warning of Suicide Attacks at Diners and Coffee Shops 

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6_5y3GKudcg?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:37 | 2992168 tip e. canoe
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surprised no one is making the obvious connection:

from 10/5/12 : The debate on U.N. recognition of Palestine will be held in mid-November. This was announced two days ago by Vuk Jeremic, President of the U.N. General Assembly. "The leaders of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) are going to engage in extensive discussions", said Jeremic, "coming to a conclusion as to what they want to do some time in November."

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/U.N.,-the-debate-on-the-recognition-of-Pa...

11/6 : Palestine’s upgrade to UN “non-member observer state” status is virtually a foregone conclusion, with an overwhelming majority of the UN General Assembly expected to vote in favor and only a handful, led by the US and Israel, in opposition.  The question then is what Israel’s reaction will be...

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/11/06/israeli-cabinet-talks-punishment-over...

11/8 : UNITED NATIONS — The Palestinians took the first step toward raising their status at the United Nations from an observer to a nonmember observer state Thursday by circulating a draft resolution to the 193 U.N. member states and asking for their support.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/palestinians-circulate-r...

11/17: "Everything that is happening is in order to block our endeavors to reach the United Nations," Abbas told journalists.  "We are going to the United Nations to vote on the resolution of our becoming an observer state on the 29th of this month. Nothing will deter us," Abbas said.

www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/16/us-palestinians-israel-abbas-idUSBRE8...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 05:55 | 2993245 Aquarius
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It has been reported today that the US has refused Visas for the Iranian Delegates (Twitter), obviously connected. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:38 | 2991832 Divine Wind
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It is not that they are Palestinians. The core problem is that they are Muslim.

This stunts development, particularly with all of the inbreeding (a VERY common practice even in U.S. Muslim families). Let this go on for centuries and you get what we have today. An irreparably botched gene pool.

Churchill provided a brutally accurate description of Islam as applicable today as it was when written in 1899:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Winston S. Churchill, The River War, First edition, Vol. II (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899), pp. 248-250.

 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:13 | 2993390 my puppy for prez
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You are bostering your opinion by using the quotes of a drunkard, warmonger who rejected ALL peace offers from Germany pre-WWII, Zionist puppet, and ally of the mass-murdering Communist Russian govt?

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:13 | 2992727 I am on to you
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Stunning words from oll Winston C:

So it was The Muslims the swept through Africa,burning i to the ground,who put Ian SS at the wheel,eradicated the indians in North and South Arabrica and send the Aboriginals so far down the ladder,that the Eustralians had to give them an excuse,before they all are gone:

Same Winston,forgot that through all history of Europa,the line is betray and wars,the wars of Gods is on one more time in the human history,and wonder where this God came from,that conquered Odin,would not the Judean,surely it would,same oll who one, that took Manitou down,he is strong their God 5th commandmend:Thy shall not KILL,did it realy meen it,think not ill say.

Thank you for coffee,anyone has his right to say what ever,but say Mohammedanishem is Militant,speewed out of the mouth of the ones who Burned??? women at the stake,that seems rather?????? Christian,was the word i wanted!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:25 | 2992762 I am on to you
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Ian The Rhodesian,not the Keynesian neither Chineesian, was the guy,that loved Africans to death!Like all British Germans Dutch Portuguise Spanish,loved their Africans to death,and thier Indians and Aboriginals,where are the Muslims here,oh they werent quiet invented yet:Spin my doctor i am dizzy,i want to get of,and no you cant smoke my Weede,its to strong for Gods!Its divine,it gives strong Drones,oh my its black!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:30 | 2993005 optimator
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The Rhodesia of Ian Smith was the healthiest economy in Africa.  They were a net exporter of agricultural products and at peace with their neighbors.  Then the U.N. forced that little country to have, what Rhodesians called at the time, "One man, one vote, one time".  Note how the U.N. could care less about the new Rhodesia, called Zimbabwe, and what Mugabe the Communist is doing to it.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:30 | 2992060 foxmuldar
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Too bad we don't have any Churchill's around today. He wouldn't have put up with the Muslim crap thats infesting the UK and much of Europe and even now here in America. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:31 | 2992061 foxmuldar
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And Sharia law is against everything our constitution stands for. Give Muslims what they want and you won't even be allowed to talk about Islam without risking getting your head lopped off. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:22 | 2993401 my puppy for prez
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This the favorite scare-tactic meme used on jingoistic simpletons such as yourself.

Use logic, and it will assuage your fear and paranoia:  Do you honestly think that Sharia is going to "take over the world" when it is Zionists who run said world?  That is nonsenical!

Talmudism is the threat to all of humanity.  And it has conquered most of it already.

Go check out the term "NOAHIDE LAWS" and see what is in store for anyone who "is guilty of idol-worship" (which would include anyone who worships any God or person other than the Jewish God.)  No worshipping Jesus, now....or off with your head!

The very simple fact that gets lost in all the political/military "fog of war" is that the biggest problem the Zionists and TPTB have with Islam and Sharia is that it DOES NOT ALLOW USURY in banking!

What would the central bankers do if this simple principle were put into place worldwide, hmmm?   Oh, right....they might be out of a job, and a vast fortune!

It's really that simple!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:58 | 2992211 bunnyswanson
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The solution is not to wipe 1 billion people off the map.  The modernization of man takes place when the younger finally have influence on old world ideas.  With the help of the internet, the young are exposed to lives outside of their sheltered existance and are influenced positively.  As we see, sending them back into the stone age by destroying their infrastructure/economy is counterproductive as the consequence is extremism surfaces, and ignites the very issue you describe. 

 

Time has shown that if you'd leave these people in the Arab alone, they'd take it upon themselves to change their beliefs to more humane, logica/ustl and acceptable lifestyle due to the younger members becoming involved in political and religious matters.  Women being stoned for rape after it is called adultry is just one example of how necessary this is.  Extremism whereever it is found is a destructive force.

 

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:56 | 2992103 George Washington
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Israel and the U.S. suppressed the moderate Muslims, and encouraged the radical muslims:

And

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ.com

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:27 | 2993402 my puppy for prez
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Keep up the good work, George!  You know you are spot on when you start being verbally attacked.  The truth hurts, sometimes, and some people are in such a state of cognitive dissonance (or hasbara employment) that they will NEVER admit the truth.

I would add one thing to your 9/11 narrative:  Israel was also highly involved and complicit in 9/11.  Have you ever watched "911 missing links" on youtube?  it documents the Zionist involvement quite well.  I urge you to watch it if you have not.

As the old saying goes, cui bono.

Thanks, and peace!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 17:12 | 2992231 Dtrader37
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What waffle. This article can only be described as a masterpiece of selective facts, revisionist history and straight forward lies.

 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:48 | 2993427 falak pema
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so put pen to paper and prove it point by point; don't generalise without providing the evidence. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:06 | 2991749 Carl LaFong
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Wow! "George Washington" is a neo-Nazi fascist who probably calls himself a "Christian" or is a closet Musselman. I'm almost amazed they keep publishing your absolutely one-sided bullshit. It must be the myriad other rabid anti-semites who love your garbage and use it to vent their twisted hate. Hey, here's an idea, "Go Fuck yourself." 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:29 | 2993404 my puppy for prez
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I guess when one does not have a cogent rebbutal, one resorts to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks.

You are SUCH an effective supporter of the Israeli/Zionist cause.....lol!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:26 | 2992052 George Washington
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Rabbi Arthur Waskow agrees that Israel started the fighting

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:53 | 2992636 Pink Floyd
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Like your article, George, you choose your quote selectively.

And who makes Rabbit Arthur Waskow correct?

The fact is that Hamas has been firing at Israel civilians for several years.

A week with a single rocket is not news. A day with a single rocket hardly makes the news - even in Israel.

But, a single rocket is beyond the tolerance of most countries.

Alas, Hamas escalated this trickling to 100 rockets, and quite lethal ones, in the weeks leading to this conflict.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:26 | 2993320 bluemaster
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pink floyd how much you get per comment?

 

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