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Top Economic Advisers Forecast World War

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Kyle Bass writes:

Trillions of dollars of debts will be restructured and millions of financially prudent savers will lose large percentages of their real purchasing power at exactly the wrong time in their lives. Again, the world will not end, but the social fabric of the profligate nations will be stretched and in some cases torn. Sadly, looking back through economic history, all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation.

Larry Edelson wrote an email to subscribers entitled “What the “Cycles of War” are saying for 2013″, which states:

Since the 1980s, I’ve been studying the so-called “cycles of war” — the natural rhythms that predispose societies to descend into chaos, into hatred, into civil and even international war.

 

I’m certainly not the first person to examine these very distinctive patterns in history. There have been many before me, notably, Raymond Wheeler, who published the most authoritative chronicle of war ever, covering a period of 2,600 years of data.

 

However, there are very few people who are willing to even discuss the issue right now. And based on what I’m seeing, the implications could be absolutely huge in 2013.

Former Goldman Sachs technical analyst Charles Nenner – who has made some big accurate calls, and counts major hedge funds, banks, brokerage houses, and high net worth individuals as clients – says there will be “a major war starting at the end of 2012 to 2013”, which will drive the Dow to 5,000.

Why are these economic gurus forecasting war?

For one thing, many influential people wrongly believe that war is good for the economy.

In addition, Jim Rogers says:

If it turns into a trade war, it is the most momentous thing of 2011,” said Rogers. “Trade wars always lead to wars. Nobody wins trade wars, except general who end up fighting the physical wars when they happen. This is very dangerous.

Rogers also explains:

A continuation of bailouts in Europe could ultimately spark another world war, says international investor Jim Rogers.

 

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“Add debt, the situation gets worse, and eventually it just collapses. Then everybody is looking for scapegoats. Politicians blame foreigners, and we’re in World War II or World War whatever.”

And Marc Faber says that the American government will start new wars in response to the economic crisis:

Faber also believes the U.S., China and Russia may go to war over Mideast oil.

 


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Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment holgerdanske
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I'm surprised that Gerals Celente was not mentioned here!

He has been forcasting events for many years and been spot on. He has also said that it will end in war.

 

His quote is "When people have nothing more to loose, they loose it"

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment reader2010
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SUPER BULLISH. BTFD!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Everyone is looking for a 'solution' to the 'problem' of modernity.

 

What is the problem about? Modernity isn't working any more. Industrialization is supposed to bring more goods at lower costs to customers who have to work less in order to enjoy more. From cradle to grave, modernity promises more of everything for everyone. (Mainly, modernity promises 'mobility'.)

 

 - Goods are not particularly enjoyable: for instance, mobility is a farce. It is the traveling from noplace to noplace, from one slum to another slum in pursuit of Chinese-made poison,

 

 - the 'goods' cost too much (to the entire system),

 

 - The customers discover they cannot work (they are unemployed), or the work is too hateful to bear,

 

 - There is no enjoyment as the ever-multiplying poor struggle to survive while the rich are increasingly fearful of the poor.

 

 - Meanwhile, waste -- which is the real product of modernity -- is overwhelming the natural life-support system for rich and poor alike. Modernity cannibalizes the capital the system needs to run. The waste products and the loss of capital -- and their associated increase in costs -- is why modernity is failing.

 

The managers are looking for any and all 'top-down' solutions to make modernity's hiccups.

 

 - They've tried adding credit (easing and QE), they've tried bailouts of institutions, they are currently waging wars, the strong against the weak (theft of consumption),  various 'occupy'- and protest movements, austerity (credit embargoes), trade liberalization/trade constraints, F/X manipulations ... they are considering NGDP targeting, MMT, gold standard(s) ... comes now rumors of (presumably larger) wars ... that cannot be won and that combatants cannot afford to fight.

 

 - One 'fad' suggests eliminating the costs associated with finance (and financiers): this will supposedly allow industrialization to 'recover'. This is false on its face: industrialization is the child of debt as factories/distribution must be bought and paid for before the first product is made. Industrialization = saturation with unpayable, unserviceable debts.

 

The establishment has nothing left, they are scraping the bottom of the 'solution' barrel! The predictions in this article are more scrapings.

 

Everything is offered but energy conservation and getting rid of the GODDAMNED CARS ... which are at the heart of the consumption/waste problem. Both the establishment AND the publics are sacrificing any- and everything in order to drive.

 

This is total nonsense ... maybe coming to the end of it. There isn't enough room on Planet Earth for unlimited humans +   livestock + cars. Something has to go. 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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the Modern is no a longer current definition of culture, and even the Post Modern is being dated, but we appreciate the finer points. there is almost a bullet proof meaning built into the word modern, i suppose until some child looks at his grandfather, and laughs, gee, Grandpa, you're so modern.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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Have you read this, S from V?

http://www.arthurversluis.com/Antimodernism.pdf

 

If the link doesn't work just goggle: Versluis + Antimodernism.  I found it to be a good start on the topic; not comprehensive, but a good start.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 17:30 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Thanks.

 

I don't agree with all of it -- mostly details. What is self-evident is the ongoing crisis of modernity, that it cannot produce or deploy solutions to its self-created dilemma. If nothing is done, modernity will simply collapse, therefor, the best strategy is to simply do nothing.

 

It's says something when Versluis -- and John Michael Greer -- appear on ZH.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Chief KnocAHoma
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Wow now... take it easy bitch... I am on the verge of getting a 55" flat screen from Santa... don't rain on my parade just because some one is starving in Africa. That ain't my problem... they should have know better than to be born in that God forsaken place to begin with.

The NFL in hig-def.... that is the solution!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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such is the revised history of WWII, when global economic collapse brought about a series of regional wars. Japan needed food and energy from Indochina. Germany needed resources, the Mediterranean had its own series of regional conflicts, many the result of the loss of power by the former empires, France and Britian. the Fascists had an answer to the economic stagnation, (when there is no profit left in a capitalist economy, the vital services are shut down. the Fascists made the trains run again) this massive global scrum, if you will, (France attacked Britain, there were French and Vichy French, GI's in Italy were never sure if they were fighting those loyal to Mussolini) WW2 was turned into the war between good and evil, by the politicians and the newspapers, and it was a fiction perpetrated by the losers (France and Britain, and the Americans coalesced, being both stupid and corrupt - more people in America were against our country getting into WW2, than were Americans against the war in Iraq) all wars since WW2 have been sold to the American people in this way, good vs evil, International Communism, dictatorships. Remember Hussein was evil because he gassed the Kurdish civilians, when the war in Iraq was over, George Bush called the Kurds the enemy of the world.

wars since WW2 are fought when economic collapse rips apart the social contract. (much like the civil war in this country - now we get to see Daniel Day Lewis try to save the old rail splitter, who fashioned his war lies on the notion of slavery) first the leaders get us into an economic mess,  and then they lie to us about the reasons for the war to solve this mess. always been that way, and when the first thing out of Obamas mouth over Gaza is the cliche about Israels right to defend itself, you realize, that Romney would be saying the same thing.

we need a new government ducklings, and its goes a way back.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Chief KnocAHoma
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Okay... but can we get this done before the start of Spring Training?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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It's good to see that someone over here @ ZH has their priorities straight.

 

85 days until pitchers and catchers report.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I hate to disappoint you guys but there will be no world wars coming from NWO headquarters in my garage.

We're on hiatus until the new year. Weed and feed is the agenda for the holidays. Just because we're about global domination doesn't mean we don't like opening our presents of new Snuggies at Christmas.

Can you believe that Kissinger really eats those fruitcakes?

Something is wrong with that guy. Nobody eats fruitcakes.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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I don't know anybody who eats fruitcakes, but I did a little experimenting with one a couple of years ago and discovered that fruitcakes improve dramatically if one splashes a bit of good bourbon whiskey over it.  The downside, of course, is that this is also a good way to ruin a bit of first class nine year old Kentucky bourbon.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Nenner is a punchline.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment etresoi
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Why would one call these guys "top economic adisors"?  They are media whores, who are constantly talking their book.

Economic advice, like all other types of advice, is only worth what you pay for it.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 04:56 | Link to Comment Cosimo de Medici
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I'm not sure who is going to start a war, but it is unlikely to be the US. This isn't because the US is going to suddenly embrace peace, but rather because the wars it has fought recently have used up all of its manpower and material. Iraq and Afghanistan took a heavy toll on preparedness. Harsh conditions did a number on tanks and trucks and transport aircraft. Bombs did what bombs are made to do, which is blow up. Staffing is so bad that half the "troops" in Afghanistan, just as half of the troops in Iraq at the end, are contractors. Contractors even captain naval vessels (see the July incident with the Rappahannock). Even if Romney had won, the US wasn't going to be invading Iran. The military is spent.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 05:57 | Link to Comment ootofthehoos
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USA is fighting a new style of war in Libya and Syria.  You saw Benghazi exposed accidentally and you saw war financing going to Syria rebels, some being AlQaeda, trained in a NATO country (Turkey), and you see economic war on Iran: a collapsed currency, and trade/banking blockade. Next you will see Jordan destabilized and Iran will have an internal civil war, helped along by the economic chaos. That is the Obama/USA strategy. It is more covert now, plus some no-fly zones later that escalate into bombings, if it doesn't go as planned. It is made to look humanitarian. Do you think Iran does not know they are next?

USA might suffer blow-back from this, and have an overt war, like Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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some would argue this old style CIA warfare, (who shot Diem?) and the Obama administration is up to its neck in CIA funding for Al Qaeda, just as it got in deep in Fast and Furious, the covert plan to forment REVOLUTION in Mexico, which was a George Bush dream. Bush built a trillion dollar fence, and a dozens of internment camps, sitting empty at this moment, to accomodate the refugees from a Mexican revolution. (to move things along he pushed the corn for ethanol program, which tripled the price of the food staple in Mexico) he also wanted a North American currency, which would bail out the dollar, by backing it with gold (Mexico) and oil (Canada).

now the arab spring has some unintended consequences, as the newly empowered Muslim Brotherhood will certainly sell oil to lift their people out of poverty, but that threatens to accelerate the global deflation. Russia may be powerless to stop US Israeli aggression in Syria (sold to the American people as another Arab spring, and funded through CIA weapons and money to Al Qaeda) but the Russians would be more than happy to see us bogged down in an invasion occupation. of course we were pretty nimble in Libya, and one notable quality to the new Muslim regime change is the preferred dislike of standard military force. so while Israel continues to fight terrorism the old way, the new face of warfare. You either annihilate everyone in Gaza, or you recognize their right to exist, and their capacity to endure, and endure punishment, should endear them the Jewish story of slavery in Eqypt and the hegira. round and round we go.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 04:20 | Link to Comment cpzimmon
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 The fact is that there are only two outcomes. You either die or you live through it and then become it.

Next question please.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:59 | Link to Comment EscapingProgress
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World Wars stimulate the economy and make great television. What are we waiting for?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:11 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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think about what a cottage industry WW2 became, including George Lucas, who literally stole the images for Star Wars; blocking, cutting, editing, from the (inexpensive) propaganda films made during and after the war. he then sells the empire for 4B to Disney? McLuhan "medium is the massage" says that CULTURE will become the new business of America (ie the global economy). of course past wars are always more interesting, and who knows maybe there is a cathartic effect, and children who play war have no desire to indulge their fantasies when they grow up. In the 60's young men turned against John Wayne and his style of film making, and Clint Eastwood, the man with no name, and no loyalty to anyone, became popular.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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War is already happening. What do you think is going on in Syria and the rest of the Middle East?  The whole region is in a slowly escalating war that began with the so-called "Arab Spring", which itself was caused by Bernanke's printing that inflated wheat prices.

It would not surprise me if the EU descended into civil war either. Secession of a State from a federal union usually results in civil war. It looks like several EU States are slowly inching toward the secession point.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 07:53 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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and do not forget the invasion of Iraq because of Sadam getting rid of the US$ for oil trading.  That was suicide.

WMD  LOL!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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George is a Nazi.

Anyway I am getting kinda sick of hearing these financial guys put in their 2 cents on geopolitics. As if that is their specialty.

There is plenty of experts on geopolitics out there that have a better idea what is going on then these guys.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 07:56 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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Ask the Rothschildes.  Afterall they are the ones who have a win/win situation.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:54 | Link to Comment knukles
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Hah!
And I'm having a bend over stomach ache belly laugh watching the politicians fuck about like financial wannabes in economics and capital markets.

The neo-Keyenesians in the States and those fucking lunatics over in the EU are hilarious. 

I just don't understand why more Europeans aren't happy, laughing, enjoying their social benefactors.... or that why the US economy with the greatest ever budget deficits and most expansive monetary policies in history is just barely breathing.

Hah hah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
So funny.
What a great trip.

Honey, we gotta do this again for another 4 years.
Can your mom take the kids?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment casfoto
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As Voltaire said "All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets".

Look at TED.com and look up the fantastic speech that was done by Paddy Ashdown...he made that speech about a year ago and it is right on. The speech was that we are going to be going into WW3. It is a startling speech and articulated well. One of the best speakers I have ever heard.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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War is a failure even when victory is assured as when a super-power [United States] takes on third-world countries [Iraq and Afghanistan].  A war between super-powers would be a colossal failure.  Our leaders may be crazy but they are not INSANE.  Of course there will be small, regional conflicts but the days of world wars are over...

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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Who are OUR leaders? and why would you assume that OUR leaders are creating the wars? The term "leader" is misleading ... I do not think that wars are "created" by the politicians that we vote for. They are just tools. The good part about all of this is that the people are starting to zero in on those who silently claim responsibility and the authority to manage population and power on this planet. To actually free ourselves we would have to free ourselves from them. First, I am not sure that we are yet capable of self-management. One can guess that the last time we tried it, it led to a "dark age". More importantly wars eliminate threats to power ... and if there will be a war, it will be to eliminate threats to power and massively reduce population... back below the 1.5 billion mark where things got out of control in the mid to late 1500s (look at any global historical population chart).

Life on this planet, in this physical world, is a gift. Take it for what it is, enjoy it and use it while you are here. Everything else is just noise.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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please also include me on that list

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:25 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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'Forecasters Advise Economic War"

Thats what he means.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:22 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Here's a GREAT article (as always) laying out some of the machinations of the global uber elite and who they use to further their agenda for war and conquest:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/11/netanyahu-leading-israel-to-av...

Tony gives readers a glimpse at who is behind what, and focuses on pratical connections and relationships without plunging into the emotional and religious aspects of the "conflicts".  Please read him whenever you can.  He makes sense!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment franzpick
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'Control-F' searches for 'rationing', 'price controls' 'shortages', and 'black markets' produces no hits.  I think these financial braniacs are talking about currency wars. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:36 | Link to Comment falak pema
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so the only one who makes a rationale for war is Marc Faber : USA-China-Russia over ME oil. 

All the others say WW will be result of first world economic meltdown, without indicating who makes war on whom and for what. 

The economic downturn could cause many local wars, but WW would have to involve the 3 big armed nations. Nobody else there to make world war with.

What is more likely is  series of local wars on all continents but not a WW as MAD will keep the big boys from taking direct hits and will encourage them to use surrogates as front men; like Syria and Israel. Or maybe Philippines and China; Taiwan and Japan. These could stay local relief valves for regional conflicts. The point is there has to be asset destruction for the world to begin into growth process, and the fight of limited resources could drag out until we find a true energy gamechanger, other than ME oil. Herd thinning looks like a new ghoulish game especially if climate change accelerates. 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 08:03 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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consider the redistrubution of wealth as the objective.  It is now only masked by tribal haitred.  The war will be managed at a rate which will maximize profit and return on both short and long term investment. 

Is that happening now?  absolutely.  Will it escalate?  absolutely.  Will all be lost?  to most but not all.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Thank god the world will end Dec. 21st. Boy that will be a mind fuck for the NWO.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 07:16 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Ok I'll take you up on that and plan my xmas eve party with family for the 20th! 

Lots of oysters before we disappear into thin air like the proverbial genie of the lamp.

See you guys on the other side of the mirror on the 22nd!

So bottoms up on the 20th night; a night like no naked mayan would want painted by any other than Goya of Spanish Main. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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I wonder which film they are going to blame that event on.  Mel Gibson got anything coming out?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:44 | Link to Comment knukles
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I should cancel my tee time for the 22nd?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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Don't worry. It will be canceled for you.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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The (Masons) builders of the prophetic (corrupt) borderless global (crime) New Wolrd Order City of Babylon have a tried and true system mapped out and it lead to our 2012 condition. ''They''  required a fraternal order (occult, religious, secular etc...) based on their blood oath, force of arms, secrecy, deception, temptation, usury, tax, prison and slaughter.  

The New World Order is ...''DEATH''. The ''lie'' is,''you shall not surely die'' and perish if you accept and agree with; aborting the (Word, Life, Truth and The Light ) Mercy of God in Christ for short term gain, and in the image of the beast, claim dominion by the letter of the law and stand in contempt as the unbecoming accuser and destroyer of (if possible) all flesh. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rihpED_obk&feature=related

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:31 | Link to Comment VelvetHog
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Isn't it awfully dark with your head that far up your ass?  You should watch where you're going.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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...umm, VelvetHog, lol, wrong Club man, lol, and your military pride is showing it's face, lol. Give the guy a break already, ouch, before you ruin his sphincter. How do you expect the guy to recover for duty or work? Obviously it's dark where you are, lol, so I can ''see'' the reason for your concern and confusion, but, ...wait for it  ...wait for it ....wuuuait for it ...that's not my ass you are in. LOL. Umm, if you let go of the computer you may be able to escape, and in doing so, end the affect of your obvious lack of air. LMAO. 

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/ff-the-manuscript/all/

 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment TacticalZen
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I need a job selling high tech (i.e. expensive) weapons to both sides. What is the best company to pursue? I've handled billions in the energy biz but am prepared to "step up".

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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here's another,

http://jobs.raytheon.com/en/career-paths

they have history.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment spinone
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 17:56 | Link to Comment xamax
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WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES, BELIEEEEEEEEEEEVE ME

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment upWising
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"The Amercian Way of Life is Non-Negotiable."

–Dick Cheney, True American Patriot

Dick said it.  I believe it.  And that settles it.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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There you go, thinking with your Dick.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Y'all  must be a riot at Sunday School.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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