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The REAL Reason for the Assault In Gaza?

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We noted yesterday that many speculate that the timing of the war in Gaza is because it is (1) after the U.S. elections and before the Israeli elections or (2) part of the run-up to a war with Iran.

A third reason is also quite possible.

Asia News reported last month:

The debate on U.N. recognition of Palestine will be held in mid-November. This was announced two days ago by Vuk Jeremic, President of the U.N. General Assembly. “The leaders of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) are going to engage in extensive discussions”, said Jeremic, “coming to a conclusion as to what they want to do some time in November.”

On November 6th – before hostilities escalated in Gaza – Anti War pointed out:

Palestine’s upgrade to UN “non-member observer state” status is virtually a foregone conclusion, with an overwhelming majority of the UN General Assembly expected to vote in favor and only a handful, led by the US and Israel, in opposition.

 

The question then is what Israel’s reaction will be, and the nation’s cabinet met today to discuss possible “punitive” measures to punish the Palestinians for getting the enhanced level of recognition on the international stage.

 

Exactly what the move will be remains unclear, and with Israel already not negotiating with the Palestinians and already expanding settlements, the number of options that will actually feel like “punishment” instead of just business as usual is limited.

On November 8th, the Washington Post reported:

The Palestinians took the first step toward raising their status at the United Nations from an observer to a nonmember observer state Thursday by circulating a draft resolution to the 193 U.N. member states and asking for their support.

 

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There are no vetoes in the General Assembly and the resolution is almost certain to be approved by the world body which is dominated by countries sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Approval of the resolution would elevate the Palestinians to the same status as the Vatican. The draft resolution states that to date, 132 nations have recognized “the State of Palestine.”

 

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The upgraded status would add weight to Palestinian claims for a state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem, territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005.

 

The Palestinians also hope to use their upgraded status to join additional U.N. bodies, such as the International Criminal Court, where they could attempt to prosecute Israel.

 

At the same time, they have expressed fear of financial and diplomatic retaliation.

 

Following last year’s move by the Palestinians to join the U.N. cultural agency UNESCO, the United States withheld funds from the organization, which amount to 22 percent of its budget. The U.S. also withheld money to the Palestinians, and the U.S. Congress has threatened similar sanctions if the Palestinians proceed to improve their status at the U.N. again.

 

Israel also retaliated by accelerating settlement construction and withholding funds from the Palestinian government.

 

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The draft resolution expresses hope that the Security Council will consider the application for full membership favorably.

 

It “reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the basis of the pre-1967 borders.”

And Reuters noted yesterday:

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas accused Israel on Friday of launching an assault on the Gaza Strip to undermine his efforts to secure a diplomatic upgrade at the United Nations.

 

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Abbas [said] he thought the escalating military campaign was aimed at sinking his own diplomatic maneuverings.

 

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Everything that is happening is in order to block our endeavors to reach the United Nations,” Abbas told journalists.

 

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Abbas [is] recognized by the West as the legitimate leader of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip ….

 

Despite the violence, he said he would push ahead with plans for a vote at the U.N. General Assembly before the end of the month to give the Palestinians the rank of an “observer state” within the world body rather than the present “observer entity”.

 

The upgrade would enhance Palestinians’ legal rights at a time when peace negotiations with Israel have hit a wall over Israel’s refusal to halt settlement building in territory where the Palestinians want their state.

 

We are going to the United Nations to vote on the resolution of our becoming an observer state on the 29th of this month. Nothing will deter us,” Abbas said.

 

Both Israel and the United States have condemned the planned vote, which Abbas looks set to win, saying it violated the 1993 Oslo accords, which were intended to pave the way to a “final status agreement” within five years.

Bonus: Israeli Deputy Prime Minister: “We Must Blow Gaza Back to the Middle Ages Destroying All the Infrastructure Including Roads and Water”

Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda

 

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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:03 | 3010022 Vigilante
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Hey Easyjet

Clearly you are unaware of the prophecies..

Impostors cannot fulfill them...

Khazars my ass...how come other shit races in the vicinity haven't had even a tiny bit of success that Jews had?Turks,Iranians,Kurds...surely they share the same genes as the Khazars

Israel serves as a lightning rod for all Christianity and Judaism haters...simple as that..

You wouldn't give a fuck if Israel was hindu and the Philistines were christian

God is a Zionist...Israel was chosen as a vehicle/portal/stage.....take your pick

...all of Israe'sl detractors will perish..like all those ancient cultures you mentioned...they are ALL GONE .....

ISRAEL WILL PREVAIL

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 12:11 | 2998225 EZYJET PILOT
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Boeing Boy, where do you think the term Phillistine came from? Palestine is but a derivation of that. I find it incredulous that you would deny the existance of Palestine in maps and the bible, it is all there for all to see, read exodus, there you will see it in all it's glory. Read this article below, it shows old maps and bible quotations regarding Palestine. The only hatred in this case is that shown by zionists towards the relatives of the 12 tribes of Judea, the Palestinians.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/PalestineMaps/IMG_5208.JPG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t3q6OKG4zAE#t=129s

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story8861.html

http://www.sizers.org/zcs.pdf

As for EZY having a steep cockpit gradient, you're equally wrong there!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 14:23 | 2996341 EZYJET PILOT
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Keep your pathetic history, this land called Palestine for almost 2000 years, until apartheid Israel was established in 1948, and Palestine used to be part of greater Syria, and it is up to its native Arabs to call themselves as Palestinians or Syrians, see Sykes-Picot Agreement in 1916 between Britain and France to colonize and to divide Syria after the Ottoman defeat, and one year latter was Balfour Declaration, to European Jews Palestine as a “homeland”, and both France and Britain had no business there except stealing the region recourse and controlling it through installing racist apartheid among the divided Arabs, as the European colonizers and criminals did in Africa.

The Zionist racist Jabotinsky, a Russian colonial settler and an icon for many racists and right winger Zionists can explain well the Zionist colonization and their ethnic cleansing crimes to ignorant Zionist, like yourself, he wrote in 1925:
“Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop under the protection of a force independent of the local population –an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in to, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would be hypocrisy.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 28)
And he wrote in an essay, titled “The Iron Law”:
“If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find a benefactor who will maintain the garrison on your behalf. … Zionism is a colonizing adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 45)
Like all Zionists, Jabotinsky advocated not just a Jewish majority in Palestine, but also the use of force to “transfer” them out of their homes, farms and business. Ze’ev Jabotinsky stated in a letter to one of his Revisionist colleagues in the United States dated November 1939:”There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews of “Eretz Israel”. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it is also possible to move the Palestinian Arabs.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 29)

BTW Arabs have their own Christians, and Jews these are the natives so don’t mix between them and your buddies, the colonial settlers thieves from Russia and Europe, who seek “their god promised land” based on myths and legends and to steal the Palestinian lands and expel its natives and forbidding them them to return their homes and properties.
Educate yourself about the Arab natives and their culutre, which your colonial settlers stole alongside the land, the Arabs are related and the descendents of Canaanites, Amorites, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Akkadians. And there are many Palestinian cities, like Jericho, are at least 6000 years before Judaism or the idea of one god, which is an Egyptian idea, were invented. So Palestine doesn’t belong to one specific religious group, and for sure it doesn’t belong to colonial settlers from Russia and Moldavia like the racist Lieberman!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 14:10 | 2996311 EZYJET PILOT
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All you hasboro trolls read this, Palestine has existed for millenia. Jewish propoganda has erased Palestine from the awareness of a massively dumbed down populace. You will find maps of Palestine in every bible, in all I've ever read anyway, it is mentioned in the bible many times and just think for a minute if Palestine doesn't exist where the FUCK did the name Palestine come from, you dumb bastards! Do you think it was just concieved in 1948? No it was a fully fledged country way before you evil khazar fucks invaded it and killed 80% of it's population thanks to the British and the Balfour treaty also.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early.php

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 15:20 | 2996516 Boeing Boy
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Your jew hatred is strident, remind me not to fly with EzyJet, I understand the cross cockpit gradiant is rather steep....;

 


The Biblical Usage Of Palestine
 

   The term Palestine, although rarely used in the Old Testament, refers specifically to the southwestern coastal area of Israel occupied by the Philistines.  As stated above, it is a translation of the Hebrew word "Pelesheth."  The term is never used to refer to the whole land occupied by Israel.  Before Israel occupied the land, it would be generally accurate to say that the southwestern coastal area (Gaza Strip vicinity) was called Philistia (the way of the Philistines, or Palestine), while the central highlands were called Canaan.  Both the Canaanites and the Philistines had disappeared as distinct peoples at least by the time of the Babylonian Captivity of Judea (586BC), and they no longer exist. In the New Testament, the term Palestine is never used.  The term Israel is primarily used to refer to the people of Israel, rather than the Land.  However, in at least two passages, Israel is used to refer to the Land:


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Saying, Arise, and take this young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel:  for they are dead who sought the young child's live. And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel" (Mathew. 2:20-21).


"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another:  for verily I say to you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man shall have come" (Matthew 10:23)


   
The first passage is when Joseph, Mary and Jesus returned from Egypt to Israel, and the second has reference to the proclamation of the Gospel throughout the Land of Israel.  Jesus, Matthew and the angel speaking to Joseph use the term Israel with reference to the Land, even though the term was not then recognized by the Roman authorities.

   It is clear, then, that the Bible never uses the term Palestine to refer to the Holy Land as a whole, and Bible maps that refer to Palestine in the Old or New Testament are, at best, inaccurate, and, at worst, are a conscious denial of the Biblical name of Israel.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:05 | 2995938 Hannibal
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STOP the the bombings you Motherfucking Zionist scum!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:58 | 2995916 Madcow
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People are STILL not unerstanding the impact of technology on the price of oil. The vast majority of hydrocarbons have been locked up in previously (economically) unrecoverable formations - eg deep heavy oil and bitumen, gas hydrates, shale oil, etc. the technology being developed in the US will continue to shock the world and the energy markets. the USA and Canada will become the world's leading oil and gas exporters within the next 10 years. there is no longer any good strategy reason to maintain a presnece in the middle east. israel realizes that we are very close to abandoning the ME. 

imagine what happens to the ME when oil is driven down to $20.  then think about funding and military support for israel - or saudi arabia for that matter.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:56 | 2996278 ItsDanger
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While I agree with the theme of your comment, the price will not likely get to $20 for any sustained period.  The cost of the methods you've noted is rather high ($40 to $50 is likely low).  Only increased off shore drilling would yield prices that low consistently from current known sources.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:35 | 2995872 Jethro
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Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't see where a Isreali/Palestinian war is anybody else's business.  Let them proceed, and at a biblical level.  To the victor belong the spoils.  Let them try to completely eradicate each other.  I simply don't care.  Of course, I know that the Isrealis would undoubtedly win such a confrontation, but they don't have to stomach to do what it takes to truly win it (complete and total extermination of the Palestinians in Gaza.  Men, women and children).  Besides, the irony would be delicious.  Any other outcome will just mean that they'll be fighting each other again in 5 or 10 years, with possibly higher stakes.

Syria can't really intervene.  Jordan won't intervene.  Lebabnon really can't either.  That's three borders...

Egypt probably would intervene though, and get severly spanked, again.  I don't see the Egyptian military really fully supporting the Muslim Botherhood, or putting forth much effort in a military engagement against the yids.  A military loss against Israel would open the possibility for another military coup too, and a return to the status quo.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:17 | 2995814 somecallmetimmah
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"From a strictly geo-political perspective, Israel is viewed by its neighbors as a criminal state that MUST eventually be destroyed."

Familiar theme, isn't it?  There are "wars of choice" and there existential wars.  Hate Israel all you want, but they understand which one this is.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:17 | 2995813 somecallmetimmah
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"From a strictly geo-political perspective, Israel is viewed by its neighbors as a criminal state that MUST eventually be destroyed."

Familiar theme, isn't it?  There are "wars of choice" and there existential wars.  Hate Israel all you want, but they understand which one this is.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:36 | 2995693 Miramanee
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I understand that there is a religious component here, but can we try to view this from geo-political and socio-economic rather than religious perspectives? The religious construct is an artifice. Yes, religion can provide a sense of identity and community....which on a most basic level boosts dopamine levels and thus creates the "good" feelings that come with such experiences. But the issue here is not about Judaism and/or Islam, and is more about power and control and a sense of security. The preponderance of the world's Jewish people are quite conflicted with regard to the goings-on in the Middle East...but they are also, in my opinion, coopted by the least common denominator, as articulated by the extreme views of Jewsih figures - views that tap into certain fears....la la la...you know the story. From a strictly geo-political perspective, Israel is viewed by its neighbors as a criminal state that MUST eventually be destroyed. It is easy to see then why they would behave preemptively. (The Israeli doctrine of preemptive preceeded George Bush's by several decades)....from this American Jew's perspective, Israeli actions are both understandable and utterly repugnant: pretty much the same as the actions of most colonial and imperial nations. It all stinks.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:29 | 2995848 maximin thrax
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What do you think about Christians having been largely driven out of Lebanon, indigenous people who had continuous roots back to Phoenecia, by Muslims who targeted them even as their sects fought for ultimate control of Lebanon? What do you think about their plight being completely overlooked? Who cares, right?

I'm sure Israel cares. Just because you and the the rest of the world will feel better when they are driven from the Middle East doesn't mean they won't fight all the way to the end. So if Israel is willing to fight to the end, and the Palestineans are likewise, then that's all we need to say. Well, except that war in the Middle East will not end with Israel. That is a fool's dream. There will be no peace until one Muslim faction has subjugated the entire region. Sunni, Shia, Druze; spin the wheel...

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:44 | 2995888 Miramanee
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What are you anry about? Is it the senseless klling? Is it children dying in burning buildings at the hands of men with bombs? What is it??? I for one have no idea about the politics....I mean, everyone is right and everyone is wrong. No one wins. We truly are an extraordinary species....so much capacity for love and beauty, and yet so much violence and despair. 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:34 | 2995689 ItsDanger
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The real reason for any of this crap is a drop in WTI by >10%. 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:03 | 2995591 EZYJET PILOT
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The Israelies stole the land of the real Jews, the Palestinians. Most Israeilis are fake Jews, they have no connection to Israel WHATSOEVER! They are Khazars, Turko Mongolian. Israel is a concept created in 1948, Palestine has been a nation for thousands of years, the Palestinians belong in Israel. What part of this don't you hazzborah fuckwits get! Stop trolling this board and rot in hell where you belong, ye are of the devil!

This is what Jesus said about you pretend Jews ie not Palestinian,

http://bible.cc/john/8-44.htm

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:00 | 2995764 slickrock
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Read much history, let alone the Bible?  No, Israel was not conceived in 1948.  The Palestinians are a conceived idea and if the Muslim world gave a rat's ass about them there is plenty of land around there for them to inhabit, yet none is given, nor resources for that matter.  These people are mearly a pawn in a much larger game of chess.  Muslims could care less about their own and are focused only on erasing Israel from the map.  Which, by the way, will never happen.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:27 | 2995830 passwordis
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 Hello, My name slickrock and I'm a victim of the propaganda of the MSM. I can't think for myself. I've never bothered to do any independent research on anything and I believe Netanyahu when he holds a crayon drawing up at the U.N. and says Iran is developing nuclear weapons in spite of the fact that 16 US intelligence agencies say otherwise.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:07 | 2996138 slickrock
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My response has nothing to do with MSM or Netanyahu.  Amazing that some people can't see past their bias and simply resort to personal attacks.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:48 | 2996070 Abednego
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US and intelligence in the same sentence - an oxymoron?  Recent history would make one believe so.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:30 | 2995678 strannick
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Israel is a concept created in 1948, Palestine has been a nation for thousands of years

Could your statement be more wrong?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:49 | 2996263 therearetoomany...
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I don't believe so...and, where is the discussion of Britain's part in all of this????

 

As an aside, I had a friend from Lebanon, in discussions with him in the 80s, he talked about the Palestinians...they were a nomadic tribe that NO ONE in the middle east wanted to absorb.   He sias they were considered as other cultures might consider gypsies or other roaming bands.    Also, it's quite funny that all of this strife could've been avoided had Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, et al taken in and given the palestinians land to call their own.

 

While the Israelis are a US representative in that area of the world, and a sore spot for most arabs, it's a shame that war and genocide seems to be the only solution for the arabs.   Which makes never ending death and misery for all in the area inevitable - just because, once again, Arabs can't accept that people don't believe in their god.  

 

Everything else is BS. 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:09 | 2995950 monogratis
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Please find me Israel on any of these maps.  There are hundreds of maps there to look at.  I have yet to find one with Israel, but I would gladly take a look should you locate one.  Israel is just as much a mythical construct as Palestine.

At least the British mandate of Palestine can be found sometime after 1917.

Just saying...

 

http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/asia/middleeast_Before1825.html

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 15:38 | 3004848 GoinFawr
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Great link

h/t

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 09:25 | 2995484 Hannibal
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I'll vying for the underdog anytime, (it's the right thing to do).

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 09:37 | 2995526 Boeing Boy
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Yep, Israel is a tiny country surrounded by 1.2Bn opponents.  The underdog, indeed.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:03 | 2995268 Arthur
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Georgie,

Under your theory what would Israel do if Hamas was not launching rockets into Israel?

Hamas's stated goal is to destroy Israel, a country they will not recognize.  Also, Hamas and Abbas/PLO are not on friendly terms. Hamas and the Abbas/PLO faction are engaged in a low level civil war.

If Abbas looks good, Hamas looks bad. 

The way to f*ck Israel from a western perspective would be to adopt a Gahndi-esque approach.  Three years of no terror attacks and Israel would not have much of an argument in the UN.  But that has not happened why?  Because Hamas and others do not want peace, they want Israel destroyed.

Remember when Clinton brokered a deal with Barak to give the Palestinians 98% of want they allegedly wanted (and I think most moderate Palestinians were OK with deal - a lot of expat $ flowed into the West Bank about that time – nice hotels were built in Bethlehem in hope of a year 2000 bonanza) but the offer was rejected and Arafat sparked the Intifada.  In response Israel built a massive wall and has enjoyed relative peace since.

What would you have Israel do?   They pulled out of Gaza only to have it serve as a giant missle launching pad.  How should Israel protect it’s citizens from attack? Or do you deny Israel the right to protect it's population?  You would not be the first s.o.b. to do so.

 

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:29 | 2995852 passwordis
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Hello, My name Arthur and I'm a victim of the propaganda of the MSM. I can't think for myself. I've never bothered to do any independent research on anything and I believe Netanyahu when he holds a crayon drawing up at the U.N. and says Iran is developing nuclear weapons in spite of the fact that 16 US intelligence agencies say otherwise.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 06:45 | 2995383 Boeing Boy
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Green arrow from me.  I thought it was straight forwardly simple.  The rockets are being made in gaza.  Destroy what you can from the air pause, then go in on the ground to get the factories if Hamas are stupid enough to continue.  This is all about targetting, the rest is confetti.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:30 | 2995284 bunnyswanson
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by Hatem A

Best Answer by Voters
This is a brief history:

The problem started in the late 19th century when the Zionist movement started with a group of secular European Jews to establish a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. Before that Jews lived in peace with Muslims and Christians in Palestine for about 1300 years (except when the European Crusaders killed all the Jews and Muslims in Jerusalem 900 years ago). Most of the Jews who lived in Palestine till then were Arabs.

When Britain occupied Palestine during WWI, they gave a declaration (Balfour Declaration 1917) to the Jews that they will give them a homeland in Palestine. There was one big problem however: the land already was populated by indigenous Arabs (Mostly Muslim, but with significant Christian 6% and Jewish minorities 10%).

Britain opened the door to Jewish immigration from Europe, which escalated during WWII and after because of the Holocaust. In 1948 the Jews made up 33% of the population of Palestine, but owned only 5% of the land. The UN voted to split Palestine 55% for the Jews and 45% for the Palestinians to establish a Jewish and Arab States in Palestine, and to make Jerusalem an internationally controlled area. War broke out between the Arabs and Jews in 1948 and the Jews occupied nearly 80% of Palestine and established Israel on it. In the process Israel ethnically cleansed 80% of the Palestinians from the land they occupied and destroyed and depopulated more than 400 Palestinian villages, massacred thousands of Palestinians and made 3/4 million Palestinians refugees.

The UN voted in 1948 (Security Council Res. 93 and General Assembly Res. 194) to tell Israel to allow the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes, but until today Israel never complied. In 1967 Israel militarily occupied the remainder of Palestine (The West Bank and the Gaza Strip). The Security Council again voted in 1967 and 1973 that Israel return to the 1967 borders and allow the refugees to return, but Israel never complied (Security Council Res. 237, 242, 338).

This gives you a brief history of the roots of the problem. The Palestinians now negotiate to get only the lands occupied in 1967 back to establish their own state on it, and for Israel to allow the deposed people in 1948 and 1967 to return to their original homes.

Israel is only accepting to return only parts of the lands occupied in 1967. The land they accept to return has no borders with the outside world (making it an effective jail guarded by the Israelis). They also refuse to allow the refugees to return. They also have built many illegal settlements in the West Bank and planted nearly 350,000 Israeli extremists in them. Israel has taken control of nearly 5/6 of the water resources in the West Bank, and has built an apartheid wall that dwarfs the Berlin wall around and through Palestinian cities and villages in the West Bank ( http://chromovision.com/films/Wall.wmv ). They also refuse to return East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank, to the Palestinians. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgqNMcL9tX1aYMJ0gxhOr.Xty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090101140547AA2UwzK&show=7#profile-info-23jqdYMZaa

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:46 | 2995722 Inspector Bird
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Funny that someone would post an answer from a forum like Yahoo! 

I mean, it has to be right if people voted on it and chose it as the "best answer".  There are holes in that history, many holes. 

 

The problem(s) in Palestine/Israel are much more diverse and much deeper than any one of us today can fathom.  Primarily, it is rooted in an intense jealousy of the success of a nation (Israel) in a region which had previously been virtually devoid of population.  One can say "stealing land" is part of the problem, and to some extent it is since Israel has taken land, since its inception, which is not rightfully its own.

But most of the land originally developed as Israel was purchased or given to the settlers.  It's possible to call the Balfour Declaration 'stealing', but only in the most obtuse fashion.  Most of the land was not developed nor were there plans to develop it.  Barely a tear was shed over the loss of this land until the new settlers showed just how profitable it could be.  Suddenly, the land was 'stolen'.

What is most intriguing is how well many Arabs in Israel live.

Today, calling the Israelis who now live there 'illegitimate' is like calling all whites in the South 'slaveholders'.  It's been years, two generations have passed, and the Israelis have proven to be much better managers of the land than the previous tenants.  Their reward for this are threats, attacks, and a desire by Muslims (who, I will remind people, are of a religion started to improve relations with the Jews and Christians) to eliminate a group with which they share much history.

The hatred by Islamic fundamentalists does not end with Israel, it extends to the entire Western Culture.  While we have moved on past the Crusades, they have not.  Their mindset is firmly rooted in hatreds which extend back a thousand years, and the people have spent little or no time trying to figure out a simple fact.  If they worked hard to develop themselves and their country, as other Arab nations have done to various levels of success, and put their hatreds to the side - they would be much wealthier and face no attacks or incursions by the Israelis. 

I have never seen Israel attack Palestine without first being hit by rocket attacks first.  In fact, Israel has often shown much restraint in its response to the rocket attacks.  To blame Israel alone for the difficulties these two cultures face is simply ignoring facts.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:06 | 2995935 jughead
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"It's been years, two generations have passed, and the Israelis have proven to be much better managers of the land than the previous tenants."

Ah, so that's the criteria we use to justify imperialism and stealing land that does not belong to you.  I'm sure that the USA has proven to be much better managers of the land than the previous tenants too...unless you give the land, the previous tenants, or people with actual morals a vote in the matter.

I do kinda like your "winner makes the rules" paradigm though...remember it when someone takes away what you have by force or manipulation of the "law". 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:44 | 2995884 passwordis
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I have never seen Israel attack Palestine without first being hit by rocket attacks first. 

Says your impeccable sources on cable TV.

In fact, Israel has often shown much restraint in its response to the rocket attacks.

Oh yea Israel is all about restraint! Turn the other cheek!

 

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:34 | 2995865 passwordis
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 You're a nincompoop.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:41 | 2995710 maximin thrax
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This gives you a brief history of the roots of the problem. The Palestinians now negotiate to get only the lands occupied in 1967 back to establish their own state on it...

Thus, the futility of it all. Wars have consequenses. The 1967 war, like it or not, decided borders for Israel. To quote William Muny, "Deservin's got nothing to do with it." As long as folks feel entitled to land they lost when they threw down on the loosing side of a war, there will be unhappiness.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 06:50 | 2995387 Boeing Boy
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No mention of Jordan anywhere?  How strange..

 

Here take a look at this map;

 

http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.php

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:32 | 2995286 bunnyswanson
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Best Answer - Chosen by Asker This is a long answer. If you wish you can skip the background and go directly to the section (Leading to the latest conflict)

Background:
Hamas started in 1987 as a Palestinian resistance movement with purpose to liberate Palestinian lands occupied by Israel. It has a political and a military wing. The political wing won the Palestinian national elections in 1/2006 winning 56% of parliament seats, while outgoing Fatah group led by president Abbas won 34%.

As Hamas refused to abandon armed struggle to liberate Palestine, the world led by the US imposed a blockade on the Hamas government. No money was allowed to be sent by any donors to the Palestinian government (even money collected from Palestinians as taxes), which made it difficult to fulfill all government obligations in an attempt to make this government fall. That did not work.

The Fatah group, which controlled all the government security forces, started harassing the government institutions and total lack of security became widespread in Gaza. Hamas created a parallel security force in Gaza as the Palestinian security forces refused to abide by or follow the Hamas led government. Clashes occurred periodically between the Hamas security force and Fatah led force in Gaza and there was too much lawlessness.

On 14th June 2007 Hamas forcibly took over all security and police centers in Gaza ousting Fatah from there. Since then it became much more peaceful in Gaza and law was restored (at least internally). I have relatives in Gaza (in-laws) who said "in spite of the international blockade against Gaza and the intermittent Israeli bombardment, it is now much better after the removal of the Abbas loyal forces". Those people do not belong to any Palestinian faction.

In retaliation president Abbas declared the Hamas government as illegal and replaced it with another government based in Ramallah. This was a constitutionally illegal move as Hamas actually is the one that was elected by the people democratically. This in effect made two parallel governments: one in the West Bank and one in Gaza.

Throughout this period there was much tit-for-tat fighting between Palestinian resistance of all factions and Israel in Gaza and the West Bank. From 2005 to 2007, 1290 Palestinians and 86 Israelis were killed (sorry don't have the figures for 2008).

Leading to the latest conflict:
Egypt brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas for 6 months starting 19th June 2008. The ceasefire terms included:
- Cessation of hostilities in Gaza
- Opening all entrances to Gaza and allowing goods in and out, and allowing free movement of Gazans in and out.
- It was an expectation that this will be followed with similar ceasefire for the West Bank.

What actually happened:
There were minor breaches of the ceasefire from the Palestinian and Israeli sides from 19th June to 4th November. Almost all the breaches from the Palestinian side were initiated by Fatah group which is led by president Abbas in order to sabotage the cease fire. Even though all these breaches were very minor and caused no damage or injuries on the Israeli side, Israel responded by closing all entrances to Gaza and continuing the blockade. They also launched strikes that killed a few Palestinians. Thus for all this period Gaza stayed under blockade for 50% of the time. The Rafah crossing into Egypt remained closed nearly 95% of the time. The international blockade of Gaza remained almost fully in effect. Also no ceasefire was followed in the West Bank. Instead Israeli raids there intensified and many Palestinians were killed and hundreds were arrested including nearly 30 Hamas parliament members and ministers of the Hamas government.

Breaking the ceasefire:
On 4th November, the day of the American elections, Israel broke the ceasefire by attacking a house in the Gaza and launching an air strike killing 6 Palestinians. You can call this the incident that sparked the beginning of the recent violence. Hamas responded by firing 30 rockets into Israel. It is worth mentioning that these crude rockets are the only weapon that Hamas possesses that can reach Israel. Though they are short range, have very small explosive power, and fairly inaccurate in aiming (they can hit anywhere within a few miles radius), they are a source of insecurity to the Israelis, and can kill or injure if they have a direct hit (less than 1% chance for each rocket).

Hamas declared that the ceasefire will not be renewed unless it is provided guarantees that the terms of the ceasefire will be fulfilled including the opening of all entrances to Gaza to allow aid and goods to enter Gaza and open the Rafah crossing to Egypt. There was no response from Israel or Egypt and the ceasefire was not renewed.

From the ceasefire breach on 4th Nov. and the major Israeli strike on Gaza on 27th December, a total of 30 Palestinians were killed and many more injured. Several Israelis had minor injuries from Hamas rockets from 4th Nov to 27th Dec. Source(s): I have been living and following the Palestinian problem since the first day I knew anything about anything. I was 5 years old when Israel occupied the West Bank and have lived under Israeli occupation. Here are few media links about Israel's breaking of the ceasefire and from Wikipedia for some of the information above, but if you need more references, please let me know:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opin…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qas…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine-I… Hatem A 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:03 | 2995601 johnQpublic
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palestinians=native american indians=black south africans=australian aboriginies

 

 

i'm sure i missed some there,but they wont mind, because they are all dead

 

happy apartheid every one!!!!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:06 | 2995611 johnQpublic
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Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.

That until there no longer
First class and second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes -
Me say war.

That until the basic human rights
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race -
Dis a war.
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+marley/war_20021799.html ]
That until that day
The dream of lasting peace,
World citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never attained -
Now everywhere is war - war.

And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
That hold our brothers in Angola,
In Mozambique,
South Africa
Sub-human bondage
Have been toppled,
Utterly destroyed -
Well, everywhere is war -
Me say war.

War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south -
War - war -
Rumours of war.
And until that day,
The African continent
Will not know peace,
We Africans will fight - we find it necessary -
And we know we shall win
As we are confident
In the victory

Of good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!

 

bob marleys version of words spoken at the UN in 1962

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:12 | 2995631 johnQpublic
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That until the basic human rights
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race -

 

and i'd like to add....without regard to religion

                                without regard to sexual preference

                                without regard to country of origin

 

what else have you got that makes one man hate another, simply because of who they are , without ever having to meet that man and judge him face to face , to be just a human man as he is himself

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:27 | 2995076 Divine Wind
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Never claimed you were, but I STRONGLY doubt it.

[Late addition: If you are, then it must be a light affiliation, potentially by name only. BTW, love the financial / market insights you provide, just the obvious slant on the conflict (fully your right) is heavy. ]

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:22 | 2994993 Divine Wind
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Hmmmmm. I wonder if the attack on Gaza has anything to do with stockpiles of chemical weapons from Libya?

http://neveryetmelted.com/2011/04/09/libyan-rebels-sell-chemical-weapons-to-hamas-hezbollah/

George, your Jew Hatin' side is showing itself again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:09 | 2995061 George Washington
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How do you know whether or not I am Jewish?

Maybe I am an American Jew ...

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 02:09 | 2995233 Pink Floyd
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George,

 

You failed to consider the obvious:

What if Gaza just stopped firing missiles (and other goodies) at Israel?

 

You also failed being impartial:

Gaza is firing at Israel on a regular basis for years.

Why is that you write about this conflict only when Israel retaliates?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:14 | 2995275 bunnyswanson
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Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders.

 

At the same time, Israel’s Foreign Ministry warned foreign governments that a successful Palestinian bid for enhanced status at the U.N. could lead Israel to cancel the Oslo peace accords and, possibly, to oust President Mahmoud Abbas and dismantle his Palestinian Authority, according to official documents made available to reporters.

There is little doubt that a vote will pass; the Palestinians are expected to win a majority of the member votes in the General Assembly. But both they and the Israelis are placing great importance on gaining the support of what they call a “moral majority” of important Western nations.

 

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/hamas/index.html

  

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:05 | 2994968 Amagnonx
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George, you always have the best information - how do you do all this effective research?  Do you use search engines, or do you have lists of links and look them over every day?

 

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 01:13 | 2995174 George Washington
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Actually, the info on this post was courtesy of ZH commenter Tip E Canoe ... Thanks, Tip!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 08:07 | 2995427 tip e. canoe
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de nada amigo

check out RSteiner's comment on the natgas & oil underneath Gaza for reason #4:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-16/war-gaza-why-now#comment...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:13 | 2994980 strannick
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you forgot the <sarc> right?

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