This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Top Economic Advisers Forecast World War

George Washington's picture




 

Kyle Bass writes:

Trillions of dollars of debts will be restructured and millions of financially prudent savers will lose large percentages of their real purchasing power at exactly the wrong time in their lives. Again, the world will not end, but the social fabric of the profligate nations will be stretched and in some cases torn. Sadly, looking back through economic history, all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation.

Larry Edelson wrote an email to subscribers entitled “What the “Cycles of War” are saying for 2013″, which states:

Since the 1980s, I’ve been studying the so-called “cycles of war” — the natural rhythms that predispose societies to descend into chaos, into hatred, into civil and even international war.

 

I’m certainly not the first person to examine these very distinctive patterns in history. There have been many before me, notably, Raymond Wheeler, who published the most authoritative chronicle of war ever, covering a period of 2,600 years of data.

 

However, there are very few people who are willing to even discuss the issue right now. And based on what I’m seeing, the implications could be absolutely huge in 2013.

Former Goldman Sachs technical analyst Charles Nenner – who has made some big accurate calls, and counts major hedge funds, banks, brokerage houses, and high net worth individuals as clients – says there will be “a major war starting at the end of 2012 to 2013”, which will drive the Dow to 5,000.

Why are these economic gurus forecasting war?

For one thing, many influential people wrongly believe that war is good for the economy.

In addition, Jim Rogers says:

If it turns into a trade war, it is the most momentous thing of 2011,” said Rogers. “Trade wars always lead to wars. Nobody wins trade wars, except general who end up fighting the physical wars when they happen. This is very dangerous.

Rogers also explains:

A continuation of bailouts in Europe could ultimately spark another world war, says international investor Jim Rogers.

 

***

 

“Add debt, the situation gets worse, and eventually it just collapses. Then everybody is looking for scapegoats. Politicians blame foreigners, and we’re in World War II or World War whatever.”

And Marc Faber says that the American government will start new wars in response to the economic crisis:

Faber also believes the U.S., China and Russia may go to war over Mideast oil.

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:49 | 2995290 Non Passaran
Non Passaran's picture

If they are starting to appear on Global Reseach that shows they are getting worse.

I gave it an Awful rating because it's another of GW's crappy alarmist "analyses".

GW, if there will be a WW, why should we care about pink slime, Fukushima and a myriad of other crap you've been showering us with on this fine site?

GW = Garbage Writer

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:07 | 2995946 DaveyJones
DaveyJones's picture

as opposed to those crappy pollyanna fluff pieces. George has been "right" much more than he has been "wrong"

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:40 | 2993924 knukles
knukles's picture

Paul Krugman for 82nd Airborne

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:14 | 2993867 SgtShaftoe
SgtShaftoe's picture

Based on current trends, we could have war in every direction and dimension: between nation states, within them, and trans-non gov actors (anonymous). If we didn't have to live through it, it would be immensely interesting to read about in the history books. Conventional warfare going on concurrently with 4GW (insurgency), will have transformational effects e.g. Ripping nation states out of any relevance.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:09 | 2993857 Yellowhoard
Yellowhoard's picture

Wars are super awesome for bank profits.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:21 | 2993882 are we there yet
are we there yet's picture

Super awesome? Is that u Cartman?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:07 | 2993852 AgShaman
AgShaman's picture

I think Goldman Jacks alum....Charles Nenner called it before all of them on Faux Business with that mouthy woman that interrupts everybody all the time.

Also, DOW 5000

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:51 | 2994756 Ballin D
Ballin D's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vcTm4XE4EA

Not sure of the date but it was posted on youtube 3/10/11.  You gave a great description btw.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:49 | 2993800 Fuh Querada
Fuh Querada's picture

Forecast?

"We believe that war is an inevitable...."

"the implications could be absolutely huge in 2013...."

"Faber also believes the U.S., China and Russia may go to war over Mideast oil"...

1st law of predictions:

Impress and scare the shit out of your audience with your audacious clairvoyance but Never, NEVER, say WHEN the predicted occurrence will take place.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:13 | 2994579 americanspirit
americanspirit's picture

WWIII will begin on February 17, 2013 with a simultaneous dirty nuclear bomb attack on New York, Los angeles, Washington DC, London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Tokyo, Mexico City, New Delhi, Buenos Aires, Sao Paolo, Madrid, Rome and Tel Aviv.

There you go. Make a note.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:41 | 2994620 spinone
spinone's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avvh5H-EPWU

New York, London, Paris, Munich, everybody talk about pop music.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:15 | 2994790 my puppy for prez
my puppy for prez's picture

OMG...that was HILARIOUS!  Blast from the past.  Also one of the dumbest songs ever

I think the pop music they have foisted upon us is some form of MK Ultra....

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 02:51 | 3001305 Kobe Beef
Kobe Beef's picture

nah..all the One-Eye, monarch butterfly, and baphomet symbolism is just a coincedence.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:55 | 2993818 old naughty
old naughty's picture

So Faber violated the 1st law of predictions.

So did the entire .gov (or, almost all .gov) !

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:43 | 2993784 apberusdisvet
apberusdisvet's picture

The NWO goal of global depopulation has WAR as a key method, along with Agenda 21, GMOs, flouride and vaccines that destroy fertility; all of which are conspiracy fact, not theory.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:18 | 2994797 mendolover
mendolover's picture

Also nuclear fallout.  It's been doing a great job of cutting back birth rates in the ME for a couple of decades now.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 16:19 | 2994196 Errol
Errol's picture

vet,

The current US global empire IS the NWO.  We don't spend a trillion a year on "defense" and then permit the world empire to be HQ'd anywhere other than Manhatten.

There are the words "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" under the pyramid on the dollar bill; have someone translate them for you.

This "us vs them" crap is just more propaganda to distract you from the man behind the curtain.  If you benefit from the US machine, you are a proud memeber of the NWO.  Or, as Pogo put it so many years ago: "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:00 | 2995047 post turtle saver
post turtle saver's picture

Whoever is coming up with this stuff, they appear to be big fans of Virgil.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:38 | 2993919 knukles
knukles's picture

It's conspiracy fact for the reason that once conspiracy theory becomes fact everybody fucking forgets that people like me who'd been branded a tin foil hatter conspiracy theorist later are simply looked upon as normal as in EveryBodyFuckinKnows and forget that they ridiculed, taunted, ostracized and called us fucking batshit crazy wing-nuts.

That's why its a "conspiracy fact"... not "fact".

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:50 | 2994845 Radical Marijuana
Radical Marijuana's picture

Yeah, knukles, many philosophers have observed that the cycle of new ideas, which are eventually proven to be correct, is that they are first ignored, and ridiculed, than attacked, and finally TAKEN FOR GRANTED. However, it is disgusting when the mass media do that! Suddenly, the same ideas that the mainstream morons deliberately ignored, or made fun of, then criticized, are ACCEPTED ... But, those who do that "forget" their own history of deliberately ignoring and denying those ideas, which they have suddenly started to talk about as if they too always saw that.

An interesting question for any individual is where they are in that social cycle, and whether they live long enough to go through all those stages of the paradigm shifting, to finally survive on the other side? It the history of science, there are lots of examples of people whose careers and lives were destroyed, before they were belatedly proven to be right. Such as with the theories of atoms, and plate tectonics, etc.! One of the more recent examples from biology was discussed in the book Darwin’s Blind Spot by Frank Ryan, wherein Lynn Margulis was one of the few people that lived long enough to personally go through all those stages, during her own life. Throughout most of history, most people had their lives destroyed by only living during the first stages. They did not living long enough to finally have been proven right, but only experienced being ignored, or laughed at, or attacked, while they were living.

For those who actually fought against the suppression of their ideas, to finally have those ideas still "ignored" in the strange new way, that the mainstream morons take those ideas for granted, but actually still thereby are ignoring those ideas, is disturbing to watch!

Personally, I have specialized in doing that, as in this court case:

Uses of Political Contributions

That was an extremely rare kind of court case, where I won punitive damages against the government, by proving that they had been dishonest about the political contribution tax credit provisions. In the whole history of the Commonwealth, there are barely a handful of  court cases where people have won punitive damages by PROVING that the government had been dishonest. Of course, governments are dishonest almost all the time, about almost everything, but PROVING that in their courts is practically never possible to actually do. That history took me through all the stages that you mentioned in your comment knukles. Especially, I am now in that paradoxical last stage, where I was proven to be RIGHT, but the mass media still ignore that NOW. They only mentioned the surprise that I won my court case, but otherwise deliberately continued to ignore the idea that I had been proven to be right about.

There is another relevance to that, which relates to this article. I first got involved in registered politics due to race to build as many more atomic bombs as was possible, (which peaked back in 1986.)  As soon as one gets involved in politics, one has to start looking around for ways to fund one's activities. In Canada, the main means is the political contribution tax credit provisions. I discovered a more than 10 billion dollar per year loophole through that. The government responded by publicly saying that it was illegal, BUT, they secretly knew it was legal. I went through a 10 year long court case to finally prove that. However, after I was then finally able to do it for a few years, from 2000 to 2003, the government then changed the legal definition of "political contribution," in 2004, in order to try to stop me doing that. I then had to go back to the drawing board, and design a new way to enable people to still be able to legally control their own political contribution money, and still be entitled to their political tax credit, which I am continuing to do now:

http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/article.php3?id_article=215

Of course, those particular facts there ONLY apply to Canadian taxpayers, and not outside of that context. However, that situation illustrated very well the general pattern of social facts, and continues to do so, unfortunately. The tragic truth about this article, by George Washington, about all the sensible predictions that our financial frauds are driving us towards genocidal world war, with matching democidal martial law, is that will PROBABLY GO OUT OF CONTROL.

As I said, I started getting involved in politics because of the existence of more and more weapons of mass destruction. I studied that issue a lot, and worried more and more about it! After finally deciding to become involved in politics, (despite knowing politics was totally bullshit) because there was nowhere to hide from the social insanity of war with weapons of mass destruction, I then, of course, turned to the money system, and to the funding of the political processes, as the things behind the scenes, that were driving and controlling the weapons systems. However, the only thing I "accomplished" was over and over and over PROVING the problems that you mentioned, and which I experienced again, and again, and again!

Generally speaking, most people, and certainly the mass media, deliberately ignore valid new ideas. Correct new ideas are ridiculed, and attacked, until, finally they are accepted, by being taken for granted, but still in the same old ways that they were originally deliberately ignored in the first place. From Le Chatlier's principle in chemistry, to Romer's Rule in evolution, every system adapts the minimum it can, in order to stay the same.

Human societies tend to respond to correct and significant new ideas by ignoring them, as much as possible, in all ways possible! When finally proven to be true, so that those correct new ideas can no longer be laughed at nor attacked, society mostly goes back to continuing to ignore those new ideas, by taking them for granted! The new ideas that tend to actually get adopted and used the most are ONLY those which enable people to do that same old things as before, only more so! Correct and significant ideas that should require people to change in any bigger ways go through those strange cycles, whereby they are ignored, then attacked, and then accepted in ways that make no difference.

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE MANIFESTATIONS OF THOSE STRANGE SOCIAL PROCESSES PAR EXCELLENCE! The FACTS that those weapons became trillions of times more powerful than ever before in human history gets "taken for granted" in the most surreal ways!

One of the worst signs of our times that our "leaders" are insane puppets, controlled by even more insane puppet masters, whose ONLY qualifications for being who they are is that they were the best at being dishonest, was the trend towards accepting the use of Depleted Uranium Weapons, as a normal thing. Before the 1990s, that was considered too insane a thing to do. However, gradually, the psychopaths that control the world decided that was alright! That is only one indication of the overall runaway insanity that surrounds weapons of mass destruction being seriously included in the planning for future wars.

Everyone who studies history, and understands the current runaway financial frauds, predicts that we are headed towards wars! Gerald Celente is another good example. There is no doubt that our current REALITY is global electronic fiat money frauds, backed by weapons of mass destruction. The astronomically amplified INSANITY of the former is matched by the equal insanity of the later. The derivatives measured in quadrillions of units corresponds to the ability of weapons of mass destruction to kill quadrillions of people! The total REALITY is enough funny money made out of nothing to buy 10 planet Earths, backed up by weapons enough to destroy ten planet Earths. There is not the slightest shred of sanity left that I can observer throughout the whole of our runaway crazy civilization.

The basic human ecology is large numbers of Zombie Sheeple, who do not want to know, controlled by small numbers of Vicious Wolves, who do not want them to know. THUS, THERE IS NO REASONABLE DOUBT THAT WE ARE HEADED TOWARDS WARS. However, the matching bookends to that social insanity is that almost nobody takes seriously the ideas about weapons of mass destruction, which should be taken seriously. The real situation is almost infinitely worse than we are able or willing to imagine! It could easily happen that the international banksters' attempts to consolidate their goal of global government could backfire badly, and thus, the world wars that they deliberately get going, along with the martial law that they deliberately imposed inside of that overall context, could readily go OUT OF CONTROL!!!

If the imperatives of historical militarism get amplified to astronomical sizes, which they appear that they could and would, then the "wars" we are talking about in this kind of review article from George Washington WILL BECOME ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER THAN ANYTHING BEFORE IN HISTORY. By and large, most people now accept that, in a taken for granted way, that is like I outlined above, namely, they try to change the minimum that they have to, but actually continue to almost totally ignore what they superficially admit is correct. The REAL world is more and more "adapting" to postmodernizing sciences and technologies in utterly irrational and insane ways, where they take those for granted, but continue to totally ignore it, at the same time! It appears that ONLY the actual use of weapons of mass destruction will stop the mass media, and the mainstream morons, from taking those things for granted, in ways that enable them to change in no significant ways.

Meanwhile, any serious efforts to actually adapt society to powers that are trillions of times greater than ever before in human history remains almost totally a fringe of the fringe of the fringe activity. Everything that I do is Fringe Cubed, because almost everyone manages to take for granted the existence of global electronic fiat money frauds, backed by weapons of mass destruction, in bizarre ways that enable them to not have to change anything due to the ways that they accept those facts, and take them for granted. All aspects of our current, combined money/murder systems became TOTALLY INSANE, but nevertheless, our civilization is able to continue to cruise on autopilot ...

Therefore, we are simply waiting and watching as this runaway MADNESS, of Mutual Assured Destruction, ACTUALLY DESTROYS ITSELF! We can practically guarantee that the vast majority of the people, and their "leaders," shall continue to behave according to their well-established morbid social habits, in ways that "accept" and "take for granted" the electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs, without changing themselves in any significant ways, since they actually continue to deliberately ignore those things, despite superficially knowing and admitting that those things REALLY EXIST.  

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 14:18 | 2996333 forexskin
forexskin's picture

Just as interesting in its own little way as GW's article. BRRRRR, cold in here...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:43 | 2995024 BeansBulletsBandaids
BeansBulletsBandaids's picture

RM and knukles might be my two favrite commenters here.

I'm not sure what that says abouty me.....

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:52 | 2994860 Bansters-in-my-...
Bansters-in-my- feces's picture

I see you found your bag R M.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:51 | 2995291 Non Passaran
Non Passaran's picture

Yep, I confess I junked him for ranting under influence.

But it's probably legal in his area now.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:36 | 2994612 DaveyJones
DaveyJones's picture

we feel your pain

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:03 | 2994565 HurricaneSeason
HurricaneSeason's picture

So, you're saying that "conspiracy fact" is an oxymoron?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:52 | 2994640 caustixoid
caustixoid's picture

No, "conspiracy fact" is a redundancy...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:44 | 2994744 HurricaneSeason
HurricaneSeason's picture

I meant Knukles is still a fucking batshit crazy wing-nut, nothing has changed, therefore that would make "conspiracy fact" an oxymoron.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:54 | 2993812 old naughty
old naughty's picture

"...conspiracy fact, not theory."

Someone once said conspiracy is when two members in a family plotted to take the family to Thanksgiving dinner in a non-traditional restaurant.

Why not simply put: "...fact, not theory."

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:37 | 2993763 Meremortal
Meremortal's picture

The collapse of welfare states worldwide will lead to war.

 

No shit.

 

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2996209 BraveSirRobin
BraveSirRobin's picture

"No shit"

I think proper English requires this phrase to be proceeded by "Love you long time."

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:53 | 2995295 Non Passaran
Non Passaran's picture

George claims it wll lead to a world war. That's different.

Civil war in xYz? Tough shit, but they probably voted for it.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:41 | 2994527 economics9698
economics9698's picture

I second that.  Just imagine the look on the Obama voters face when the EBT card is taken away and a ration card issued in it's place.  Oh the pain.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:36 | 2993758 Gully Foyle
Gully Foyle's picture

On Sunday, October 30, 1938, millions of radio listeners were shocked when radio news alerts announced the arrival of Martians. They panicked when they learned of the Martians' ferocious and seemingly unstoppable attack on Earth. Many ran out of their homes screaming while others packed up their cars and fled.

(Biden 2016, you go girl)

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:39 | 2993747 lordbyroniv
lordbyroniv's picture

WAR IS THE RESTAGING OF THE IN UTERO STRUGGLE AGAINST THE POISONOUS PLACENTA.

 

"The history of man for the nine months preceding his birth would, probably, be far more interesting and contain events of greater moment than all the three score and ten years that follow it."
- - Samuel Taylor Coleridge

 

 

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln04_trauma.html

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:12 | 2993862 vast-dom
vast-dom's picture

And war stops all inquiries and investigations right quick.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:21 | 2993877 Popo
Popo's picture

The other thing people forget is that some people get filthy, stinking RICH during wars.   Everybody always talks about how much the Iraq war "cost", but remember that "how much it cost" is just the other side of the coin from "how much it made" when you're talking about the Military-Industrial complex.   

So on one hand the wars in Afhganistan, Pakistan and Iraq cost $3.2 - $4 trillion (yeah, with a "t" that's actually a stat) but on the other hand they made the MIC $3.2 trillion.   Those pricks had some of their most *amazing* years ever and they are licking their lips at the prospect of something even more profitable.

 

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 09:43 | 2995539 Oldballplayer
Oldballplayer's picture

How did that work out for the Romanovs?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:57 | 2994509 economics9698
economics9698's picture

The USA knows that it has the upper hand today.  It’s in the USA’s best interest to provoke a war today.  China and Russia will want to wait until the US falls into economic chaos and internal civil war.  Diversity always breeds civil war or secession movements.

Detroit 1943 x 10.

 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:57 | 2994650 The Alarmist
The Alarmist's picture

I'll go ahead and call "Bullshit!" Everyone knows the world is going to end on 21st December, so we can't possibly have world war in 2013.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:46 | 2994941 Spirit Of Truth
Spirit Of Truth's picture

I'm starting to really wonder about the whole 12/21/12 bit.  Not that I attach any significance to the specific date, but we are in what may be an apocalyptic season:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/11/has-world-war-three-begun.html

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:56 | 2994865 CompassionateFascist
CompassionateFascist's picture

These FatCat all-seers must be channeling Nostradamus: "There will be wars at various times and places". No, really?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:50 | 2994939 Yes We Can. But...
Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

I don't see Obama pushing for war.  Just today, he warned the Israelis that troops on the ground risk getting hurt or even killed....

But as to the US at war, it would be a fascinating spectacle to observe the soft and stupid and the metrosexuals among us conscripted and prepping for action...  Flak jacket to be known as flab jacket...

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 02:43 | 2995255 archon
archon's picture

The "soft and stupid and the metrosexuals" will be the first ones to defend the war as a just cause... because that is their ticket back to being soft and stupid and metrosexual.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:26 | 2995000 CrazyCooter
CrazyCooter's picture

Um, does anyone know what Raymond Wheeler's book is called? Was it just academic papers?

I can't seem to google much and it sounds interesting.

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:45 | 2995134 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

try wheeler index of war.  i found several secondary citations:

(http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/cycles-history/dewey-cycleswar.pdf and

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/cycles/cycles11.htm)

but no primary ones, i.e. some indication of wheeler's actual work.  good luck

as far as debt restructuring (first line in original post) try hussman this week; he's particularly insightful in summarizing the errors by our leaders and the policies they should (and likely, eventually, will) employ:  http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc121119.htm

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:28 | 2995099 economics9698
economics9698's picture

Since when was it Obama's choice?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:47 | 2995138 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

Since Dick Cheney made it so, and government contractors like yourself supported him and the abdication of the checks and balances in favor of an imperial presidency.  Obama is the natural result.  Thanks.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:50 | 2995148 economics9698
economics9698's picture

I think Obama is a NWA.  And I think it's Y = C + I - G +NX.  Get it?  Yid?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:51 | 2995149 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

You up arrowed yourself.  Self-esteem issues, government contractor?

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!