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Sorry Protesters: Your Jobs Are Being Sent To China And They Aren't Coming Back

Courtesy of Michael Snyder, The Economic Collapse 

Did you see the huge crowds of protesters that flooded the Michigan Capitol on Tuesday? They were there to protest two bills there were being considered by the state legislature that would limit the power of unions in the state. Michigan lawmakers approved the bills and this absolutely infuriated the protesters.

There is a lot of passion on both sides of this debate, but I am afraid that both sides in this debate are missing the bigger picture. If we keep shipping millions of our jobs to China, there isn't going to be work for anyone no matter how much power unions have or don't have. 

During the month of October, the U.S. trade deficit increased to 42.2 billion dollars. Our trade with China accounted for most of that deficit. Our trade deficit with China in October increased to a new all-time one month record of 29.5 billion dollars. Nearly 30 billion dollars that could have gone to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers went to China instead.  Since 1975, a total of about 8 trillion dollars that could have gone to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers went to the rest of the world instead.

Shiny new factories are going up all over China, and meanwhile our once great manufacturing cities are degenerating into desolate wastelands. So what is going to happen when all of the good paying manufacturing jobs are gone?  Are we all going to fight bitterly over whether we should unionize the low paying jobs that remain at places such as Wal-Mart and McDonalds? Such an approach is not going to bring back prosperity to America. We desperately need to start building things and start creating real wealth inside this country once again.  We desperately need to stop sending tens of thousands of businesses, millions of jobs and trillions of dollars of our national wealth out of the country. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone out there holding protests about our trade deficit.  Nobody really seems to care, so our economy will continue to bleed good jobs and the middle class will continue to be destroyed.

The funny thing is that the workers that are out there protesting these union bills actually voted for the politicians that are killing their jobs. Both parties are married to the one world economic system and the "free trade" agenda, and Barack Obama has been one of the worst offenders. He has been pushing for more "free trade agreements" throughout the past four years, and yet union workers continue to support him enthusiastically.

How foolish can they possibly be?

Yeah, let's merge American workers into a global labor pool with workers in third world countries on the other side of the globe that work in absolutely nightmarish conditions for as little as 45 dollars a month. That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it?

Oh, but you don't want to work for 45 dollars a month?

You don't even want to work for 450 dollars a month?

Well, then the big corporations that fund politicians like Obama will just take your jobs and send them halfway around the planet.

Do you think that your unions will save your jobs?

Michigan already has the highest rate of union membership in the Midwest.

It also has the highest rate of unemployment in the Midwest.

Over the past couple of decades, thousands of businesses in Michigan have either closed down or moved facilities overseas.

Did the unions prevent any of that?

No.

If union bosses really wanted to do some good, they would be organizing protests against our incredibly foolish trade policies.

But instead, they tell their members to vote for politicians like Obama and then they run out to the stores and fill their carts with huge piles of products that were made in China.

Union workers need to wake up to one fundamental economic fact - in a one world economic system, the big corporations simply do not need you.  They can make their products in lots of other countries where it is legal to pay slave labor wages.

But instead of getting upset about what is really killing their jobs, union workers in Michigan are screaming mad about a couple of new laws that will take some power away from the unions.

That is kind of like being obsessed with a broken fingernail when your leg has just been sawed off and you are gushing blood all over the floor.

Oh, but union workers did put on a good show up in Michigan.  The following is how a Bloomberg article described the protests...

Officials spent days gearing up for crowds brought out by the legislature’s sudden action last week to give initial approval to three anti-dues bills, which exclude police and firefighters. At least one helicopter buzzed overhead today, and mounted police surveyed the protesters. Signs reading “Don’t hurt working families” dotted lawns.

 

The crowd numbered more than 10,000, according to State Police Inspector Gene Adamczyk, with more buses still arriving. The Capitol was closed when it reached its capacity of 2,000.

The anger surrounding these protests was almost palpable.  One state representative even declared that "there will be blood".

Meanwhile, many of those same protesters will buy toys for their kids that were made in China with wrapping paper that was made in China and they will put them under a Christmas tree that was made in China.

Merging our economy with the economy of communist China was one of the stupidest economic moves that we could have ever made.  They are systematically taking our wealth, and then we have to go over there and beg them to lend money back to us.

Pretty soon the Chinese economy will dwarf ours.  According to the National Intelligence Council, the GDP of Asia will have surpassed the GDP of North America and the GDP of all of Europe combined by 2030.

But if we had never opened up trade with communist China none of this would have ever happened.

Why won't American workers get upset about this stuff?

Do you really want your standard of living to decline to the level of a Chinese factory worker?

You can see some photos of what life is like for workers in China's toy factories right here.  This is what the future holds for American workers unless something is done.

For much more on how our trade policies are absolutely gutting our economy, please see the statistics in this article: "55 Reasons Why You Should Buy Products That Are Made In America This Holiday Season".

But no, the big unions will never dare oppose Obama.  They love him far too much to do that.

Meanwhile, we continue to bleed good jobs.  Large companies have announced the elimination of more than 100,000 jobs since November 6th, and it looks like 2013 is going to be a very difficult year for American workers.

If you are an American worker, you need to ask yourself why anyone would want to hire you in this kind of economic environment.  You are 10 to 20 times more expensive than workers on the other side of the globe.  In addition, our politicians just keep piling more rules, regulations and taxes on to the backs of the employers in this country.  It is more difficult than ever to make a profit from the labor of an American worker.

Honestly, I understand why most small businesses don't want to hire anyone in this economic environment.  It just doesn't make sense.  For much more on this, please see this excellent article by Charles Hugh-Smith.

And there are signs that things are going to get even worse.  For example, the NFIB Small Business Outlook survey dropped like a rock during November.  That is a very bad sign for hiring.

And another ominous sign for the economy was that the latest trade report showed that imports and exports are both declining. That is usually a signal that a recession is coming.  Exports fell faster than imports did, and that is the reason why the trade deficit grew.  If imports and exports both fall again next month, it will be time to become extremely concerned.  When imports and exports both decline, that is a sign of slowing economic activity.

The United States will always need to trade with other nations, but we need to do it in a way that is balanced and that protects American workers. Right now there is a one way conveyor belt taking businesses, jobs and money out of this country. If we don't do something about our mammoth trade deficit, we will have no chance of reversing the steady decline of the U.S. economy.

Hopefully we can get the American people to wake up and realize this.  Instead, most of the comments at the end of this article will probably be about the pros and cons of unions.  That will be yet another sign that most people still don't get these issues.

 

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Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:13 | 3056245 Economics Considered
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Michael - I do not find one assertion that you have made that is incorrect.  Rather, you have provided a perspective that is very robust in its assessments and it details major factors that have brought the country to this state.

"Free Trade" in its persona of complete lack of any moderation or structure is one of the most destructive of the myths of capitalism.  And yet - where can you find a single economist who has a clue ???   How do these horribly toxic dogmas get so entrenched ?  The propaganda from the captive economists and the plutocracy/oligarchy has been intense - and unceasing in it suppression of any critical analysis.

Taking nothing away from any of the perspectives you have detailed, another major factor in the loss of jobs is simply automation - both production and computerization of adminstrative functions.  In the 50s/60s there was a very widespread concern and serious apprehension about automation destroying jobs.   Where did this concern go ???   Did the general public just become clueless about such things ?   Or did the public simply let the widespread robust lifestyle of the growing middle class erase any critical assessment ?   In any case, the fears of those years have truly come to pass while the middle class was completely unconcerned and clueless.

The unions have been incredibly successful for decades in not giving in to either the stark reality of the economics of the companies employing them AND in not giving in to any notion that their members should actually work diligently and efficiently.  Their success has been hallmarked by their wins where they refused to 'give in', resulting in their companies going out of business or transferring to another locale.  But they didn't give in !   And they were successful in New England, in Ohio, in Michigan, etc.  Anybody who has lived in those areas knows how the sucesses of the unions have effected the lives of the people.   Let me be clear - employee bargaining collectives are an absolutely critical counterbalance to the suppression of workers by business.  It is just that the structure  (and likely the 'headset' of the union hierarchies as manifested in this country) is a destructive one.  And again the 'economists' whom we might depend on to raise cry to the politicians with assessments about how to modify the unionization structure to keep it from being incredibly self-destructive - those economists are non-existent and the politicians are massively incompetent to modify the necessary structure.

You pretty much get to the point, but let me emphasize it.  The 'people' - the general population of a 'democracy' or any socio-economic structure that has resulted in a general economic well-being of the populace - are ABSOLUTELY incapable of connecting the politicians they vote for to the ongoing degrading spiral of their economic condition.  Somehow or another the 'myths' of capitalism refuse to acknowledge this destructive paradigm and its inevitable result - that being the always downward conditions of the common worker as the plutocracy/oligarchy succeeds in stealing the wealth of the country and reducing the workers further and further.   This assessment is NOT to support any 'isms' that are indeed worse than degrading capitalism - but that doesn't take away from the reality of the ALWAYS repeated degradation devolutions of capitalism on some scale of decades.

Economists seem to be totally clueless that capitalism is 'successful'  (meaning the increasing betterment of the general population)  only when there are new territories to expand into or new technologies to disrupt the control of the plutocracy.  Revolution is a third, but I'm not sure a pragmatic assessment of the history of the afterward following such major revolutions will show much real improvement - until either new territory or new technology 'happens'.   There are NO new territories on this spaceship earth.   And if a major new technology   (NEW, not just minor enhancements of existing technology)  does not come along for western civilization, i see absolutely NO chance that it will not devolve into a vastly degraded state of the mass of the population.   The plutocrats/oligarchs are just overpowering in their capability to drive the country to this state.

In the vast cluelessness and ignorance of the populace AND the academics, there is an inherent belief that 'this time we will be just fine'.   This when the ABSOLUTE lesson of history is that EVERY SINGLE civilization - EVERY SINGLE civilization - over the course of humanity has been crashed by the plutocracies.  (There are ONLY two very very minor exceptions - the Nile and Yellow River deltas.)  EVERY SINGLE civilization !!  Is this civilization different ???   Only incredible stupidity would think that it is.

I wish I could say that it was possible for the general populace to have any perceptive chance to affect the devolution of this country.  History has shown that this is never the case - and you give a pretty cogent description of why this is so.   The comments that have been posted to your piece are further robust proof, if any were needed - but you clearly stated that you knew that this would be the case.

From at least one person, thank you for the greatly pertinent perspectives that you took time to express.   It is really good to have them publically stated.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:22 | 3056298 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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You don't know much about economics.  This site used to be enjoyed by people with business sense who were sick of the government.  Now you all sound like out of work cry baby protesters.  This jibberish abou the evil capitalists is always is part in parcel with the true hatred of business that you all cannot mask.  Read Bastiat, Freidman, adam Smith, Hazlitt.  That is economics in basic explanation.  It is real simple

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:42 | 3056393 Rick Masters
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You're such a one trick pony. Anytime someone says something you don't like you cry Marxist, anti-business, wah wahhhhhh wahhh. Shut up. How about you refute all the arguments instead of calling names like a fifth grader. Can you?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 16:39 | 3057164 RKDS
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Agreed.  Unskilled finger-pointering money-changers are the biggest crybabies in the world.  Waaaaah!  The law made do something!  Waaaah!  Somebody else won't do all of the work for free!  Waaaaah!  How dare anyone question my divine right to flaunt math and science!  Waaaaah!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 15:20 | 3056841 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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I'll simply refute them by reiteration.  Read some books by free market thinkers like Bastiat, Friedman, Smith, and Hazlitt and attempt to believe that business is not evil and rather that the few businessmen that are entrenched with government are the bad ones.  Capitalism actually works, you just have never seen it in this country in true form.  the last time we were close was around the turn of the 20th century.  One thing for sure is that the guy who wrote the diatribe against capitalism certainly does not belive in free markets.  The opposite of free market capitalism is marxist socialism.  That is not name calling.  That is knowledge of history, of which most of you have very little.   

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 18:29 | 3057556 blunderdog
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     The opposite of free market capitalism is marxist socialism.

Well, if you're supposed to be a free market capitalist, I'd MUCH rather go to the parties thrown by your "opposites." 

At least they're not assholes.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 15:21 | 3056840 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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I'll simply refute them by reiteration.  Read some books by free market thinkers like Bastiat, Friedman, Smith, and Hazlitt and attempt to believe that business is not evil and rather that the few businessmen that are entrenched with government are the bad ones.  Capitalism actually works, you just have never seen it in this country in true form.  the last time we were close was around the turn of the 20th century.  One thing for sure is that the guy who wrote the diatribe against capitalism certainly does not belive in free markets.  The opposite of free market capitalism is marxist socialism.  That is not name calling.  That is knowledge of history, of which most of you have very little.   

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:23 | 3056297 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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You don't know much about economics.  This site used to be enjoyed by people with business sense who were sick of the government.  Now you all sound like out of work cry baby protesters.  This jibberish abou the evil capitalists is always is part in parcel with the true hatred of business that you all cannot mask.  Read Bastiat, Freidman, adam Smith, Hazlitt.  That is economics in basic explanation.  It is real simple

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:07 | 3056234 NoTTD
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The unions have only themselves to blame.  (See Hostess, GM, Chrysler, every PEU, et al, ad nauseum)

 

These jobs are goinig, boys, and they aint coming back.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:04 | 3056219 forwardho
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That is kind of like being obsessed with a broken fingernail when your leg has just been sawed off and you are gushing blood all over the floor.

This same sentiment can be applied to the current "fiscal cliff" nonsense.

Watch my wiggling fingers, the other hand is cutting your balls off.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:54 | 3056189 falak pema
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all libertarians should rejoice; capitalism and free enterprise has a new home; communist China. 

Join the gang, join the party, you are sure to get a good bang for your buck, and a good buck for banging the girl who makes your export product for near free.

What more can any libertarian hope for?

My money, your wife, your life and your cheap pullover, makes me millionaire four times over and I get to bang the girl as well in Macao on R& R thrills from high return at NO RISK venture capitalism. 

Wow, that is libertarian logic at its best! 

Only for those who love "me first, me second and me third"...Conrad Hilton's magic formula, when I am on location! 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:53 | 3056187 davidgdg
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Yes isn't it shocking how the Chinese are exploiting us by  working  long hours in bad conditions for low wages to make cheap televisions for us. 

Oh wait .....

What a heap of steaming pooh this article is. Actually it's worse. At least steaming pooh keeps you warm.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:57 | 3056176 maximin thrax
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Here's a crazy idea: how about fewer people? If fewer people are needed to make stuff, then maybe we make fewer people who need a job making stuff? Maybe then, as consumption drops off with population, China will hurt but not us.

We don't need a one-child policy to achieve this. Middle-class and wealthier Americans are not reproducing at a rate to replace themselves, and haven't for a while. The US population increases due to immigration and children of the poor begotten at a greater-than-replacement rate. Government has the power, and through entitlement spending/withholding maintains the coercive upper hand, to reverse population growth. But politicians can't do without those voters keeping them in office.

We're going broke sustaining people for whom the economy cannot be expected to expand and give them opportunities for self-reliance. The 250-year-old game of Musical Chairs has come to an end in America, and if you aren't sitting on a chair you ain't goin' to.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:07 | 3056231 forwardho
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Long on Zyclon-B, ( and ovens of course )

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:16 | 3056556 maximin thrax
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No need for either. Unless you're just into that kind of stuff. Contrary to belief, people don't live forever. However, their posterity does. Nobody is owed a posterity.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:45 | 3056154 SmoothCoolSmoke
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In the 1950's, the CEO made 100x the guy on the shop floor.  Today the CEO makes 1000X the guy on the shop floor.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:09 | 3056244 NoTTD
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There's still a guy on the shop floor?  Well, good for him.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:44 | 3056150 lakecity55
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USA citizens need to throw off the communist yoke of their masters and invite chinese capitalists to buy and build factories in the ussa, then sell same goods in usa.

so weird it might work.

 

nothing else makes sense anymore.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:40 | 3056376 blunderdog
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I suspect this is happening.  A Chinese guy tried to hire me a few years back to run a consulting company here.  He was the son of a high-ranking party mucky-muck, so he had plenty of money.

I considered taking the job, but he wasn't prepared to offer a wage, so I couldn't stick around.  He may well have found someone who had been out of work at the time and was willing and able to work for free for a few months, though.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:46 | 3056149 lakecity55
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The Long March to Capitalism!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:44 | 3056147 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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Wow.   I thought the readers of this site were tough.  Most of what I am hearing is that "something has got to be done".  This idiotic artile is advocating trade restrictions, tarriffs, trade wars, political manipulation of markets, guaranteed US labor, etc....  Most of the comments are praising her stupididty.  That is pansy talk of big government helpless wimps.  I hope we find a bottom after these marxists morons continue their course becasue it seems like starting a business and succeeding after that will incur little competition.  STOP thinking the government should do anything.  All we should need them for is to protect personal property rights and enforce contracts.  Roads and military should be done by state coalitions.   Absolute free market competition works and nothing else does as is being proven today and the as the other choices have definitely proven their failure.   

BTW, class warfare is dangersous and advocates stealing from the epople who worked hard to give to the masses who did not earn that money.  It is just as dangerous as bailouts and political embedding in business and the inherent stealing from the many to give to the few that comes with it.  Stop advocating class warfare.  You sound like the Union thugs that you pretend to be different from. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:16 | 3056273 forwardho
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Stop advocating class warfare.  You sound like the Union thugs that you pretend to be different from. 

Timbo, They sound like the russian bulshevics. This has all played out before, once the wealth is "spread around" Mass starvation is next on plate.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:08 | 3056242 Omen IV
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you cant be serious?

the slogans and flag waving propaganda are over - real world is that cash flow is leaving the country at an accelerating rate  - no amount of imagination or entrepreneurship can overcome $1.00 to $2.00 labor per hour - nothing!

final demand - GNP - is owned by the citizens of this country - they can create laws to restrict its access  - as in 1825 -  to protect the market from disintermediation - at that time it was industry being protected today it is labor - there are no government funded solutions long term only government enabled by restructuring the WTO and creating tariff barriers - canada, usa and eec is 700 milllion market with roughly the same wage levels and regulations - that is critical mass to have closed loop value added from labor  with exception of commodities all else would have tariffs until they achieve parity of wage levels

keep the cash flow in usa !

 

 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:03 | 3056215 waterhorse
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"Stop advocating class warfare. You sound like the Union thugs that you pretend to be different from. "

and you sound suspiciously like an AEI shill.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:13 | 3056259 Rick Masters
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Correct, paid shill. The dude is fuckhead. Everyone knoiws what China is up to and the above poster hit it head on. They are playing a mercantilist game when no one else is. It's not free trade at all. It's free trade for us and rigged tradse for them at the cost of us. It needs to stop now. Romney said he was going to be tough on it and I hope one of the things he does is coninue to push that message. It would make him very popular. He should have pushed it more.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:26 | 3056074 JohnF
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The point you're all missing is that under the standard economic models, Chinese labor would become more expensive as the Yuan re-values to reflect the strong trade deficit the US is running with China and a new equilibrium would have been reached. Instead, and this is the real problem, Chinese prices have little or nothing to do with economic reality, but remain imposed prices in order to take whatever market share they can from manufacturers - and hence workers - elsewhere who are paying higher wages.

To repeat: the problem is that the prices of Chinese goods do not reflect economic reality. Chinese companies whose prices are lower than what they need to break even have loans from the government-controlled banks to cover their costs. This is nothing less (and nothing more) than modern-day mercantilism, where the market is always seen as a zero-sum game and where selling at a loss is just fine and dandy as long as you're the only one left standing, at which point you jack up the prices and obtain monopoly rents, which is the whole point of the exercise. The Chinese are deliberately gaming the international trading system in order to make as many improvements to the Chinese economy as possible at the cost of everyone else. This is state-sanctioned and designed, cannot work without the collusion of the Chinese government-owned banks, and is a deliberate beggar-thy-neighbor policy which is, as is fairly obvious, working out quite well for the Chinese. They get an industrialized economy that everyone else pays for, Western consumers get Chinese consumer goods for significantly lower prices than would be the case otherwise, and the Chinese are planning to wean their economy off exports before western consumers run out of money. The end goal is for China to become the world's largest economy, with other countries' industries, essentially, reduced to niche providers that Chinese industry suffers to exist as long as they aren't a threat, and China buys Africa for food.

Eveyone else is playing a different game than the Chinese, which is exactly what they want. When people realize that hollowed-out economies suck, the Chinese plan on being too well-established as principal suppliers of large-volume consumer goods to be subject to sanctions or trade discrimination. It's a ruthless beggar-thy-neighbor game, not the game of comparative advantages that the rest of the world is playing.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:06 | 3056229 DeadFinks
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I don't disagree with you, but why do we continue to play China's game?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 05:15 | 3058659 JohnF
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Because not playing the game means having to challenge the Chinese to play the game by our rules, not theirs (by ours I mean the West).

They have no intention of doing so (the Chinese) because Chinese expansion is the only way for the Chinese leadership to maintain their power. If they lose the ability to create new industry jobs, they lose their game.

They have no intention of doing so (the West) because having cheap consumer goods helps hide the decline in real wages for most, allowing the powers that be to maintain their power. If our "leaders" deserved the name, they'd be out there finding real ways of getting people back to work, rather than the crony capitalism we now have.

The only way to stop playing China's game is to relentlessly expose the Chinese for what they are and to start playing their game with their methods. Western companies cease to buy chinese gods, the government makes up the cost difference for buying domestic to ensure a rounded, economic warfare. Means costs go up, people can't buy as much as they used to, they'll have to do without because of the products that have left their countries, economic disruption will happen until domestic industries replace Chinese suppliers, consumers lose out and capitalists gain. Labor gains, but only without unions (which would jack up wages to destroy the profits needed to invest).

Pretending that the Chinese aren't waging economic warfare is what got us where we are today. Play their game: (re-) build the infrastructure; educate people for skills actually in demand for jobs (you'd have to dismantle most of university education to do that); subsidize the industries you want and tax those you don't, with emphasis on companies being able to build things, rather than services that are more parasitic than useful (think tax and tort law); return to performance-tested education for kids so that all can actually read and write and handle algebra before they leave high school; make rags-to-riches the glory that it is while ensuring that riches-to-rags works as well. Take their game the step further that they can't: prosecute for financial crimes, especially fraud; enforce the rule of law, rather than the rule of arbitrary bureaucrats; enact laws that fit in a single three-ring binder, rather than a shelf of same; get rid of the spurious idea that the government actually does more good than it does harm.

We continue to play China's game because of a lack of will to change the game. They know that as well.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:52 | 3056175 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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Good point.  it gets worse however because all that stuff you are talking about is simply stimulus by the Chinese government.  We all know that stimulus eventuall runs out opf steam.  That is currently being played out in China as thier econmy is slowing down big time along with all of the other feeder economies as is evidenced by the retreat of commodity prices.  China is a bs economy too.  They just have more capital than us becasue they can pedal what is left of their worthless dollars for goods, real estate, development projects around the world to diversify.  Getting uglier daily. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:20 | 3056035 hannah
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there isnt anything wrong with working for $45 a month in wages....as long as the costs of all goods are lowered to that same level.....and that is what will happen eventually. no way the rich can have it both ways. the usa cant pay for all drug development and then give it to africa for free. the usa cant buy all the bmw's in the world. the rich had better get ready to  be eaten.....nom nom nom.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:14 | 3055999 slackrabbit
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In regards to Chinese jobs I again paste this TED presentation on exponential rise of automation and how FoxCon wants to purchase and install one million robots to improve quality and reduce factory workers.

Robots have dropped in cost over the last 4 decades making to rate of change faster than governments and companies have anticipated

The point he tried to make is that there will be an exponential drop in jobs.

So if everyone is out of work who are going to be the consumers?

http://youtu.be/kYIfeZcXA9U

 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:48 | 3056432 ilene
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Thank you for the video, SR.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:56 | 3055953 Diogenes
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Correct but tardy. It might have saved the economy if you could have gotten this message across in the 1960s.  It was not too late in the 1970s although the collapse of the industrial economy had already started. By the end of the 80s it was obvious the jobs were leaving the country and they weren't coming back.

In other words it's too late to save the old industrial economy. It was replaced in the 80s by the consumer economy fueled by debt. And now that one is worn out and falling to pieces.

Hard to say what comes next. Maybe something like eastern Europe in the 90s if we are lucky.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:10 | 3055994 MrBoompi
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I don't think it's too hard to say what comes next.  Since there is no move to stop, let alone reverse, these trends, we can look forward to continued currency debasement, offshoring of jobs, high unemployment, elimination of unions, unlimited QE and exponential debt creation to protect the status quo, elimination of benefits, and the eventual average labor wage being equivalent to that in China or Mexico.

And in case we get upset about it, or refuse to accept the oligarch's austerity, the police state is always here to keep us in line.  Only the fools thought the war on terror was being fought against foreigners.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:37 | 3055871 MrBoompi
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Great article.  I keep telling people as soon as we accept work for Chinese wages and benefits, our jobs will come flooding back the US.  Why?  Because it costs a lot of money to ship consumer goods over the Pacific.  World trade, or globalism, is just a larger version of the race to the bottom we see in the States.  Business will always move towards lower costs/higher profit "areas".  In this new-age scenario, human beings are not living breathing things.  We are a number on a profit-loss statement.  We are no different from a roll of toilet paper.

Why did our leaders promote this system or ideology?  Certainly they can see the end results and the effect it has on America families.  When will we wake up and refuse to accept being treated like toilet paper?  When will we willingly pay more for American-made goods?  When will we confront the oligarchs and corporate leaders behind these policies and tell them enough is enough, your profits are not more important than our lives?  Unfortunately not in my lifetime.  Too many of us have been brainwashed into believing these people are actually looking out for us, and we'll take those misguided beliefs to early graves.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:37 | 3055867 sodbuster
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Of course the Unions can bus 10,000 people in for the protest- the membership is unemployed and on food stamps- they got nothing else to do!!! It'll be a nice 1 or 2 days away from that shithole Detroit. It's always amazed me how business and unions could never find the middle, common ground where they both could thrive. Big corporations are bad, big unions are worse, IMO.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:24 | 3055815 Shizzmoney
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In the end, this all goes back to demand.

Monetary policy changes within the current industrial policies, and intellectual property policies, will do nothing but further consolidate wealth gains of the top 10% or so. 

They spent all that money on the government officials who represent them; they WILL get their value.

Unless real wages grow with some effort at constraining/redistributing the top 10% of wealth and businesses are free-er to borrow (a.k.a. steal) ideas, then it's more zero growth for most and rapid wealth accumulation for the top 10% regardless of interest rates for loans that help fund capital to create demand. 

Finally, consider "the consumer" a bifurcated entity.

One tiny group will be driving all of the consumption, while a much larger group will remain flat, trending negative as wage disinflation at minimum, crushes their ability to consume.The consumer of this ilk will delever like crazy, trying to escape the rat race that is "corporate serfdom" and impose austerity on their balance sheets (meaning buying less crap), as the government does towards theirs.

It's a serfdom society, and me and you are the butlers.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:14 | 3055764 suteibu
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The unions (the corporate structure) don't really care about off-shoring of jobs to China or anywhere else.  They are also internationalizing.  Anyone who believes that the labor movement is restricted to America is deluding themselves.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:13 | 3055761 dcj98gst
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Dumb article.  Can not believe this is on ZH.  We need to maintain free trade.

 

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Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:07 | 3055985 ItsDanger
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What market does the US have 100% free trade with currently?  None?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:17 | 3055782 suteibu
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Free trade requires a free market in order for everyone to benefit.  Show me a free market anywhere in the world. 

Look at Obama's TPP (leaked documents from the ultra-secret negotiations) which show that only 2 of the 26 provisions have anything to do with actual trade.  The balance of the provisions set up a regional bureaucracy in Asia or hand corporations supranational authority over sovereign governments.

You advocate for something that merely hides another agenda.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:11 | 3055750 i_fly_me
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When you consume a lot more than you produce, a lot of what you consume will be produced by someone else.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:06 | 3055736 HoofHearted
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Ilene is playing chess here, while the unions and the pols are playing tiddlywinks. If we think three or four moves ahead, we'll be ok. But we're too obsessed with, wait...who won the American Idol? Oh shit, what was I saying? Well it probably didn't matter anyhow because Lindsay Lohan showed her nipple on camera again.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:22 | 3055508 monopoly
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Good article and no easy answer. She is right on here.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:30 | 3055540 otto skorzeny
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should be required reading for the whole country-but it won't be-Americans love to be lied to

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:18 | 3055487 Sigep0612
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Actually China wages have quintupled in the past 10 years.  More US jobs are being sent to Mexico because their labor is still cheap and shipping is less costly.  

The growth of Unions was sorely needed in the early and mid 1900's.  Wages and benefits were raised during good times w/o thought of what would happen in bad economic years.   As companies looked to produce a better bottom line (remember that CEO's work for the shareholders) they outsourced labor to the lowest cost provider.  Away went US manufacturing jobs.   My point?   We can not expect people to accept lower wages or a lower standard of living overnight.  Obviously, it is highly emotional.  The US is in decline.  Face it.  With a massvie national debt we can not reset our situation without huge taxes.  Huge taxes thwart economic growth.  The nation keeps resisting but eventually we will get a massive correction that will affect everyone.      

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:16 | 3055481 oddjob
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Sorry Ilene: that last piece of garbage you barfed up still smells.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:14 | 3055466 rsnoble
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Just for the record, fuck unions. Esp public ones that have the power to keep what they have by taking what you have.  One group that absolutely refuses to join the depression with everyone else and are just making things worse. It will be dog eat dog all the way to the point your dinner will be dog.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:03 | 3055420 TIMBO Anti-Castro
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End the FED.  Agreed!  I also want the right to buy my goods at the most competitive price.  This buy USA crap is the same stuff politicians have been spouting and it sounds earily like this article.  Buy USA and have it delivered in Mitusbishi straight trucks, on a pallet made in Viet-Nam, with shrink wrap made in Indonesia, by a guy who works for non-union FedEx sign with a pencil made in South America.  That is the reason it is affordable.  Economies of scale work because of choice.  If you believe in Freedom, both economically and personally, then the same free market forces that I hope one day eliminate the FED should also be your rally cry.  That is what Ron Paul and other smart people believe and I'll bet most of the people on this site like Ron Paul.  This was part of his platform.  He was right.   

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 13:06 | 3056230 Rick Masters
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You are free to leave. BYE. Howabout no more police protection for Pro-Chiona corporations, no more tax cuts for Pro-China idiots who have no regard for their neighbor, and anyone who keeps outsoucing instead of being productive in the country that pay their bills suffer. They don't believe in the country why should they be able to suck at its tit? Fuck you and your so-called free trade. It isnt free at all. What a crock.

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