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Gun Control: The Big Picture
Preface: I was raised to be against guns. My parents hated guns, and believed that they only lead to crime and to accidental shootings.
Raised in a blue state, I had the stereotype that militias were made of crazies … and so the “right to bear arms” as part of a “well-regulated militia” seemed like a nutty anachronism.
And I have long been deeply influenced by leading voices for non-violence, such as Gandhi and King. So – Until recently – I was pro gun-control. As such, I understand that gun control arguments very well.
Gandhi and the Dalai Lama Were AGAINST Gun Control
I was surprised to learn that two of the best-known promoters of nonviolence in history were not opposed to guns. Indeed, Mahatma Gandhi taught that we must first be brave enough to use guns to defend ourselves, and only then can we be qualified to use non-violent methods. For example, Gandhi wrote in his book, An Autobiography (page 446):
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest … if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity.
As Gandhi wrote in Doctrine of the Sword:
I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence.
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When my eldest son asked me what he should have done, had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908, whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defended me, I told him that it was his duty to defend me even by using violence.
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Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor.
In Between Cowardice And Violence, Gandhi wrote:
He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully …
[When violence] is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission.
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A man who, when faced by danger, behaves like a mouse, is rightly called a coward.
Not knowing the stuff of which nonviolence is made, many have honestly believed that running away from danger every time was a virtue compared to offering resistance, especially when it was fraught with danger to one’s life. As a teacher of nonviolence I must, so far as it is possible for me, guard against such an unmanly belief.
Self-defence … is the only honourable course where there is unreadiness for self-immolation.
As quoted in the Seattle Times, May 15, 2001, the Dalai Lama said:
If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. Not at the head, where a fatal wound might result. But at some other body part, such as a leg.
What the Founding Fathers Said About Guns
The Second Amendment had more to do with freedom than historical militias. Here’s what the Founding Fathers actually said about arms:
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
– Thomas Jefferson, 1764
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
– Thomas Jefferson
Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t.
– Ben Franklin
Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property… Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
–Thomas Paine
A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
– George Washington
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.
–Patrick Henry.
Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
– Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.
–Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.
The right of the people to keep and bear…arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country…
–James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).
(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
–James Madison.
If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government…
– Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28) .
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.
–Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-B.
To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them.
– George Mason
The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.
–Noah Webster, “An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (1787) in Pamplets on the Constitution ofthe United States (P.Ford, 1888)
[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People.
– Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
But SOMETHING Must Be Done to Stop the School Shootings!
History is interesting, but something has to change. Kids are getting murdered in their own schools.
We agree …
The Journal of Psychiatry and Neuroscience published a study in 2001 showing that one modern anti-depressant is associated with violent acts.
David Healy and David Menkes from Cardiff University, and Andrew Herxheimer from the UK Cochrane Centre, published a study in 2006 showing that antidepressants can cause severe violence in a small number of individuals.
Numerous other mental health experts say that anti-depressants may be a substantial factor in school shootings and other gun-related violence. And see this, this, this, this. If you have any doubt about this, please watch these videos:
Indeed, the number of school shootings, murders and murder-suicides, workplace violence, road rage, and random violence by soldiers by people taking anti-depressants is staggering.
So - whatever else we do to address school shootings - we must either stop pushing anti-depressants on kids or at least stop selling guns to people taking anti-depressants.
How Useful is a Gun Against Tyranny When the Government Has Bigger Weapons?
Of course, the usefulness of a gun as a defense against tyranny depends partly on the types of arms possessed by the government.
As George Orwell – author of 1984 – pointed out in the Tribune (October 19, 1945), the effectiveness of arms in preventing tyranny partly depends on whether the average citizen can afford the current weapon of choice possessed by the government:
The connection between the discovery of gunpowder and the overthrow of feudalism by the bourgeoisie has been pointed out over and over again. And though I have no doubt exceptions can be brought forward, I think the following rule would be found generally true: that ages in which the dominant weapon is expensive or difficult to make will tend to be ages of despotism, whereas when the dominant weapon is cheap and simple, the common people have a chance. Thus, for example, tanks, battleships and bombing planes are inherently tyrannical weapons, while rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon–so long as there is no answer to it–gives claws to the weak.The great age of democracy and of national self-determination was the age of the musket and the rifle. After the invention of the flintlock, and before the invention of the percussion cap, the musket was a fairly efficient weapon, and at the same time so simple that it could be produced almost anywhere. Its combination of qualities made possible the success of the American and French revolutions, and made a popular insurrection a more serious business than it could be in our own day. After the musket came the breech-loading rifle. This was a comparatively complex thing, but it could still be produced in scores of countries, and it was cheap, easily smuggled and economical of ammunition. Even the most backward nation could always get hold of rifles from one source or another, so that Boers, Bulgars, Abyssinians, Moroccans–even Tibetans–could put up a fight for their independence, sometimes with success. But thereafter every development in military technique has favoured the State as against the individual, and the industrialised country as against the backward one …The one thing that might reverse it is the discovery of a weapon–or, to put it more broadly, of a method of fighting–not dependent on huge concentrations of industrial plant.
If he were alive today, Orwell might say that – unless the American people create and adopt high-tech ways to defend themselves – guns will not be able to compete with drones, robots and other high-tech weapons created by the virtually unlimited American military budget.
On the other hand, as John Aziz notes:
The vast majority of America’s 285 million guns are in Republican states, which are unlikely to be disarmed easily, even with an overwhelming Federal consensus. Some might even try to secede from the Union.
In other words, gun ownership as a deterrence to a tyrannical government might work better in Red States – where a lot of people have guns – than in Blue States.
Note: I strongly believe that safety training is essential. Keep weapons away from kids, and lock up the bullets SEPARATELY so children can’t find them. It is also easy to hang weapons above arm-reach of youngsters. Please be safe.
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Great summary of info GW.
Many of my liberal, artsy friends will find this stressfull (which is a very good thing : ).
Raised the same way.
Taught at a HS and felt like a sitting duck with my gun unloaded, cased, locked and locked inside a vehicle.
Fact it, there are nuts out there, the cops are minutes away, some shithead cops won't come inside a building without a SWAT unit.
The CCW training I took had a simulator that cops used. It ran a school shooting scenario, as well as bank robbery and traffic stops. People can be trained.
The other thing to keep in mind is this: These nuts are pussies. They know no one with a gun is in a school.
One more thing: There was gun control at this school, no guns were allowed. Doesn't work.
When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!
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SOLUTION: Employ retired military-law enforcement-security personnel as janitors-maintainence personnel-bus drivers-security that are armed and concealed carry to protect schools-malls-other venues that are staffed with qualified private retired individuals to provide protection.
Bring our soldiers home from illegal wars and you would have more than enough revenue to support the program.
PROBLEM SOLVED
I'm not sure you need retired military-law enforcement, but that would work. One thing, paying a principle $150K a year because he / she has a Ph.D. isn't as good as paying someone with less education $80K a year and hiring what you suggest with the difference.
Giving the kids' teachers Ph.D. leadership and not keeping them alive is fucking useless.
The majority of these PhD's in public schools are from diploma mills.
These horrible events should be treated as a fire drill. Shots fired - pull the fire alaram and everyone runs out of the school and far away from the building. Lock Down is BS. A lot of lives woulkd have been saved at Columbine and this school if people/children had fled the school.
Fire some of those TSA goons and have cop at elementary and middle schools. High school kids can run out of the school faster than small children.
Problem solved http://benthetheif.blogspot.com/
you spelled thief wrong
in a related story the Rebel Alliance is nearing completion of a working Bussard Core and man-portable emp rifles will be made available to anti-drone enthusiasts
Similarly there are relatively inexpensive ways of generatiing and delivering such energies. The multi-tube 6-8 microwave magnetron would be one example. I'm sure there are others. Unfortuately, the risk of frying one's own noodle is quite high.
"we must first be brave enough to use guns to defend ourselves, and only then can we be qualified to use non-violent methods."
towards a generationally self-sustaining cultural revolution and freedom for our species for the first time in the history of the planet my friends
Millions suspect, and I happen to agree with them, that these "False Flag" Illuminati/government sponsored terrorist events are being purely staged in order to strip us of our constitutional rights. Please people WAKE UP!
These globalist/International Banksters would love nothing better than to have our Military-Federal-State Law Enforcement Officers turning on our citizens and vise-a-versa to attack each other and eliminate each other and therefore reduce more civil and constitutional rights, all the while enforce totalitarian rule over a defenseless citizenry.
people need to understand what they are dealing with to really grasp the big picture. satanists rule the world, and have for a long time. not goth kids listening to heavy metal, but souless monsters would would offer up their own kids for material gain or to appease their master... as for the rest of us? not hard to figure out.
Real men shoot little children with Drones http://benthetheif.blogspot.com/
Real little children shouldn't be at the side of their parents while they plant an IED...
@ Canuk
Go back to your slimy shit hole where you and your friends/sons rejoice over tourture, killing moslem kids and are most assured you are just following orders when the shit goes down. Whenever I hear a paid news announcer these days say their allegience to the troops and 'their fighting for our rights' , I could puke.
The military ain't fighting for nothing but for their new SUVs and the 10% off everything that sells around here.
Real little adults shouldn't take little children's parents away for wars for bankers and oil men
Given all the talk about posting armed guards in the schools, I'm actually surprised this is being characterised as mass murder and not being painted with the Scarlet T.
"Real little adults shouldn't take little children's parents away for wars for bankers and oil men" you sir, you :)
Opps, sorry D, didnt mean that for you. My apologies.
Don't rain on his parade. Justifying the murder of innocents is the only joy in his life.
A convenient point of view...
I'll take knucklehead for $100, Alex.
Just because the Bankers stole everything you own from you, your friends and your family is not a good reason to get depressed.
You're supposed to be happy about it.
Now be an obedient slave and get back to work or you're going to get fired
http://benthetheif.blogspot.com/
And if you just can't adjust? Prozac, or Paxil for you! Don't worry that you might lose your mind and kill a bunch of children, but hey, it's all good. Eli Lily and Phizer etc. tell us all these things are perfectly safe. Why would they lie?
Now be an obedient slave and get back to work or you're going to get fired
But why stop there...obediant slaves can just as easily be "renditioned" or "droned" if they get uppity towards their masters.
We don't fire those we wish to punish. That 1040-EZ won't cut it for you any more ... you need a 1040, Sched's A, B, C, D, & E, Form 6251, and for good measure forms 4952, 8801 and a super secret form we aren't going to tell you about but instead will insist you spend $6k with Ernst & Young so that you have a chance to get it right.