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Europe Will Collapse in May-June

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The following is an excerpt from a client letter published back in mid-March. By the look of things, this forecast is playing out precisely.

Starting back in August, I began suggesting that we were approaching a Systemic Crisis/ Crash scenario in the markets.

 

The technical and fundamentals both supported this forecast, but I completely underestimated the degree to which the Central Banks and EU would attempt to prop up the market.

 

At that time, I thought it likely we’d see a Crash, which would then be met with another round of stimulus, which would push the economy temporarily into the green. It seemed the most logical outcome given that we were heading into an election year with a President whose ratings were at record lows.

 

Instead, the Federal Reserve, particularly those Fed Presidents from Financial Centers (Charles Evans of Chicago and Bill Dudley of New York) began a coordinated campaign of verbal intervention, hinting that more easing or QE was just around the corner.

 

These verbal interventions coincided with coordinated monetary interventions between the Federal Reserve and other world Central Banks: first on September 15 2011 and again on November 30 2011.

 

The effects of both coordinated moves were short-lived in terms of equity prices, but they did send a message that the Central Banks were willing to intervene in a big way to maintain the financial system. This in turn helped to ease interbank liquidity problems in Europe (more on this in a moment) and maintain the belief that the Fed backstop or “Bernanke Put” was still in effect.

 

Another issue that served to push the markets higher was European leaders’ decision to go “all in” on the EU –bail out project. I’ve tracked those developments closely in previous articles.

 

Regarding this factor, I also underestimated the extent to which leaders would push to hold things together. After all, Greece had already received bailouts in excess of 150% of its GDP and still posted a GDP loss of 6.8% in 2011. It’s hard to believe they’d want to accept more austerity measures and more debt.

 

Moreover, political tensions between Greece and Germany had reached the point that Greeks were openly comparing German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Finance Minister Wolfgang Schauble as Nazis while the Germans referred to Greece as a “bottomless hole” into which money was being tossed.

 

Looking back on it, the clear reality was that Germany wanted to force Greece out of the EU but didn’t want to do it explicitly: instead they opted to offer Greece aid provided Greece accepted austerity measures so onerous that there was no chance Greece would go for it.

 

Well, Greece surprised many, including myself, and went for it. And so the EU experiment continues to exist today. However, before the end of this issue I will make it clear precisely why this will not be the case for much longer and why we are on the verge of a systemic collapse in Europe.

 

For starters, unemployment in Greece as a whole is now over 20%. For Greek youth (aged 15-24) it’s over 50%. The country is in nothing short of a Depression.

Indeed, Greece has now experienced five straight years of contraction bringing the total contraction of Greece’s GDP to 17%. To provide some historical perspective here, when Argentina collapsed in 2001 its total GDP collapse was 20% and this was accompanied by full-scale defaults as well as systemic collapse and open riots.

 

With new austerity measures now in place there is little doubt Greece will see a GDP contraction of 20%, if not more. I expect we’ll see other “Argentina-esque” developments in the country as well. Put mildly, the Greek issue is not resolved.

 

The one thing that would stop me here would be if Greece staged a full-scale default. While the political leaders and others view a total default as a nightmare (and it would be for Greek pensions, retirees, and many EU banks), it is only a total default that could possibly solve Greece’s debt problems and allow it to return to growth.

 

Defaults are akin to forest fires; they wipe out all the dead wood and set the stage for a new period of growth. We’ve just witnessed this in Iceland, which did the following between 2008 and 2011:

 

  1. Had its banks default on $85 billion in debt (the country’s GDP is just $13 billion).
  2. Jailed the bankers responsible for committing fraud during the bubble.
  3. Gave Icelandic citizens debt forgiveness equal to 13% of GD.

 

Today, just a few years later, Iceland is posting GDP growth of 2.9%: above that of both the EU and the developed world in general. In plain terms, the short-term pain combined with moves that reestablished trust in the financial system (holding those who broke the law accountable) created a solid foundation for Iceland’s recovery.

 

Now, compare this to Greece which has “kicked the can” i.e. put off a default, for two years now, dragging its economy into one of the worst Depressions of the last 20 years, while actually increasing its debt load (this latest bailout added €130 billion in debt in return for €100 billion in debt forgiveness).

 

Iceland staged a REAL default, and has returned to growth within 2-3 years. Greece and the Eurozone in general have done everything they can to put off a REAL default with miserable results. I’ll let the numbers talk for themselves:

 

Country

2011 GDP Growth

2012 GDP Growth Forecast

Iceland

2.9%

2.4%

EU (all 27 countries)

1.5%

0.0%

17 EU countries using Euro

1.4%

-0.3%

* Data from EuroStat

 

The point I’m trying to make here is that defaults can in fact be positive in the sense that they deleverage the system and set a sound foundation for growth. The short-term pain is acute (Iceland saw its economy collapse 6.7% in 2009 when it defaulted). However, a combination of defaulting and debt forgiveness (for households) can restructure an economy enough for it to begin growing again.

 

However, EU leaders refuse to accept this even though the facts are staring them right in the face. The reason is due to one of my old adages: politics drives Europe, NOT economics.

 

And thanks to the Second Greek Bailout (not to mention the talk of a potential Third Bailout which has already sprung up), we now know that EU leaders have chosen to go “all in” on the EU experiment.

 

Put another way, EU leaders will continue on their current path of more bailouts until one of two things happens:

 

  1. The political consequences of maintaining this strategy outweigh the benefits
  2. The European markets force EU leaders’ hands (hyper-inflation or widespread defaults and the break up the EU).

 

Regarding #1, this process is already well underway for those countries needing bailouts. Investors must be aware that the Governments of Ireland, Portugal, Spain, and Italy have all watched/are watching the Greece situation closely.

 

Moreover we can safely assume that the topic of defaulting vs. asking for bailouts in return for austerity measures has been discussed at the highest levels of these countries’ respective Governments (more on this in a moment).

 

These discussions are also underway at those countries that are providing bailout funds. German politicians have won major political points with German voters for playing hardball with Greece. As I’ve stated before Germany may in fact be the country that ends up walking if EU continues down its current path of bailout madness. 

 

With that in mind, there are three key political developments coming up.

 

  1. Ireland’s upcoming referendum
  2. Greece’s upcoming election
  3. France’s upcoming elections (April and May)

 

Regarding #1, Ireland will be staging a referendum regarding the new fiscal requirements of the EU sometime before October. While the actual date has yet to be set, Ireland will likely stage its referendum after the French elections in (April and/or May… more on this in a moment).

 

Ireland has already staged two referendums which Irish citizens voted AGAINST until various concessions were made. This time around the primary concession being discussed is potential debt forgiveness (the country definitely needs it). Indeed, according the Boston Consulting Group, Ireland needs to write-off some €340 billion in debt just to make its debt levels “sustainable.”

 

So Ireland could easily be a wildcard here. The country is already in recession. So we need to monitor developments there as this referendum could go very, very wrong for the EU.

 

However, the BIG election of note is that of France where the current frontrunners are Nicolas Sarkozy (Angela Merkel’s right hand man in trying to take control of the EU) and super-socialist François Hollande.

 

A few facts about Hollande:

  1. He just proposed raising tax rates on high-income earners from 41% to 75%.
  2. He wants to lower the retirement age to 60.
  3. He completely goes against the recent new EU fiscal requirements Merkel just convinced 17 EU members to agree to and has promised to try and renegotiate them to be looser.

 

Currently polls have Sarkozy and Hollande securing the top slots in the first round of the election on April 22. This would then lead to a second election in May which current polls show Hollande winning (this has been the case in all polls for over two months).

 

However, there’s now another leftist wildcard coming into the mix: communist Jean-Luc Mélenchon who is now taking 11% in the polls (he was at 5% last month). And Mélenchon’s primary campaign message? Rejecting austerity measures completely via “civic uprising.”

 

Now, Mélenchon could end up taking votes away from Hollande therby allowing Sarkozy to win. It’s difficult to say how this will play out. But if Sarkozy loses to either of these candidates, then the EU in its current form will crumble as Germany loses its principle ally in pushing for fiscal reform and austerity measures.

 

Finally, let’s not forget Greece where politicians are now pushing for an election on April 29 or May 6 (the Second Bailout was passed based on new parliamentary elections being held soon after).

 

This could be yet another wildcard as it is around the time of the French elections, which Greek politicians will be watching closely. Remember, the key data points regarding Greece’s economy:

 

  1. A 20% economic contraction over the last five years
  2. Unemployment north of 20% and youth unemployment over 50%
  3. Unfunded liabilities equal to 800% of GDP courtesy of an aging population and shrinking working population (which is shrinking all the time as youth leave the country in search of jobs)

 

These facts will not play out in a victory for “pro-bailout” politicians. So the Greece deal, which is supposed to solve Greece’s problems, could actually be in danger based on a change in politics.

 

Remember, as stated before, politics rule Europe, not economics. And Europe now appears to be shifting towards a more leftist/ anti-austerity measure political environment. If this shift is cemented in the coming Greek, French, and Irish elections/ referendums, then things could get ugly in the Eurozone VERY quickly.

 

That’s the political analysis of Europe. Now let’s take a look at what the various EU economies/ markets are telling us.

 

Spain’s current economic condition matches that of Greece… and it hasn’t even begun to implement aggressive austerity measures. Unemployment is already 20+% without any major austerity measures having been put in place.

 

Anecdotal reports show Spain to be an absolute disaster. Spanish banks GREATLY underplay their exposure to the Spanish housing market (“officially” prices are down 20% but most likely it’s a lot more than that).

 

In simple terms, things are getting worse and worse in Spain… and the market knows it. Indeed, the charts of most EU indexes, particularly Spain, are telling us in no uncertain terms that the markets are expecting a truly horrific collapse sometime in the not so distant future. Timing this precisely is difficult but the window between May-June is the most likely time, as it will coincide with:

 

  1. The end of seasonal buying (November-May)
  2. The French, Greek, and Irish elections/ referendums all of which could go very wrong for the EU (April-May)
  3. The end of the Fed’s Operation Twist 2 Program (June).

 

Now, having said all of this I have to admit I have been very early on my call for a Crash. I’m fine with admitting that. Calling a crash is difficult under normal conditions, let alone in a market that is as centrally controlled as this one.

Indeed, going back to March 2009, it is clear that the Fed has been the ONLY prop under the markets as QE 1, QE lite & QE 2, and now Operation Twist 2 have all been announced any time stocks staged a sizable correction (15+%).

In fact, on a weekly chart of the S&P 500 going back four years, we find two items of note:

  1. The Fed will only tolerate a 15% drop or so in stocks before it announces a new monetary program.
  1.  Each successive Fed program has had a smaller and smaller impact on stock prices: (QE 1: 44%, QE lite and QE 2: 33%, Operation Twist 2: 22%)

Aside from these monetary interventions, we also have to deal with the Fed’s verbal interventions: every time stocks start to break down some Fed official (usually Charles Evans or Bill Dudley) steps forward and promises more easing… or the Fed releases some statement that it will maintain ZIRP an additional year… and VOOM! stocks are off to the races again.

 

With that in mind, I will admit I’ve been caught into believing a Crash was coming several times in the last few years. In some ways I was right: we got sizable corrections of 15+%. But we never got the REAL CRASH I thought we would because the Fed stepped in.

 

So what makes this time different?

 

Several items:

 

  1. The Crisis coming from Europe will be far, far larger in scope than anything the Fed has dealt with before.
  2. The Fed is now politically toxic and cannot engage in aggressive monetary policy without experiencing severe political backlash (this is an election year).
  3. The Fed’s resources are spent to the point that the only thing the Fed could do would be to announce an ENORMOUS monetary program which would cause a Crisis in of itself.

 

Let me walk through each of these one at a time.

 

Regarding #1, we have several facts that we need to remember. They are:

 

  1. According to the IMF, European banks as a whole are leveraged at 26 to 1 (this data point is based on reported loans… the real leverage levels are likely much, much higher.) These are a Lehman Brothers leverage levels.

 

  1. The European Banking system is over $46 trillion in size (nearly 3X total EU GDP).

 

  1. The European Central Bank’s (ECB) balance sheet is now nearly $4 trillion in size (larger than Germany’s economy and roughly 1/3 the size of the ENTIRE EU’s GDP). Aside from the inflationary and systemic risks this poses (the ECB is now leveraged at over 36 to 1).

 

  1. Over a quarter of the ECB’s balance sheet is PIIGS debt which the ECB will dump any and all losses from onto national Central Banks (read: Germany)

 

So we’re talking about a banking system that is nearly four times that of the US ($46 trillion vs. $12 trillion) with at least twice the amount of leverage (26 to 1 for the EU vs. 13 to 1 for the US), and a Central Bank that has stuffed its balance sheet with loads of garbage debts, giving it a leverage level of 36 to 1.

 

And all of this is occurring in a region of 17 different countries none of which have a great history of getting along… at a time when old political tensions are rapidly heating up.

 

 

 

So if you’re not already taking steps to prepare for the coming collapse, you need to do so now. I recently published a report showing investors how to prepare for this. It’s called How to Play the Collapse of the European Banking System and it explains exactly how the coming Crisis will unfold as well as which investment (both direct and backdoor) you can make to profit from it.

 

This report is 100% FREE. You can pick up a copy today at: http://www.gainspainscapital.com

 

Good Investing!

 

Graham Summers

 

PS. We also feature numerous other reports ALL devoted to helping you protect yourself, your portfolio, and your loved ones from the Second Round of the Great Crisis. Whether it’s a US Debt Default, runaway inflation, or even food shortages and bank holidays, our reports cover how to get through these situations safely and profitably.

 

And ALL of this is available for FREE under the OUR FREE REPORTS tab at: http://www.gainspainscapital.com

 

 

 

 


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Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:37 | Link to Comment watch2x
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Thu, 04/12/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment UP4Liberty
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We should do what we did in the Depression of 1920-1921..

Like the Icelanders just did...

"We’ve just witnessed this in Iceland, which did the following between 2008 and 2011:

  1. Had its banks default on $85 billion in debt (the country’s GDP is just $13 billion).
  2. Jailed the bankers responsible for committing fraud during the bubble.
  3. Gave Icelandic citizens debt forgiveness equal to 13% of GD."

Jeez - let's just do it and get it over with!

C

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 23:26 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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He forgot to take into account the three aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf.

So what happens to this "prediction" if the "bullets start flying".

Just like before, me thinks Graham has underestimated the extent that the Governments will go to hold this together and kick the can a little bit further out,

The next card is Iran.

It's Force Manure time..... and all bets are off the table.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 23:24 | Link to Comment SanOvaBeach
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Hey Phx. Cap. Rea.,

Your a fuck'in whore!  Just trying to sell your BS on this blog to make money.  Why not!  This is capatalism.............

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 04:13 | Link to Comment Western
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This paper WAS published a few weeks ago, I recall reading it. Who gives a fuck, the info is solid and true.  And no, linking to his website is not a bad thing.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment MGA_1
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Nah... problem - print... problem - print.  The crack up boom continues...

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Westcoastliberal
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What we really need is a worldwide jubilee.  So far all that's been done is to bail out the banksters at the expense of working people with "austerity" measures.  Fuck 'em.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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I am so envious of the Icelanders having their bankers jailed, if only some sort of justice existed in the US.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Chief KnocAHoma
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ugagirls.com

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Chief KnocAHoma
Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment Seer
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"it is only a total default that could possibly solve Greece’s debt problems and allow it to return to growth."

All the world's "growth" is based on the unsustainable.  The word "growth" MEANS "bubble!"

Graham is confusing the smoke from Iceland as "growth," as fire.  Do they even have any fish left?  Does this beat Greece's olive oil?

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment SilverSavant
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Here is an example that I am very familiar with, someone who is 100% correct about about a future collapse. but 100% wrong on calling the actual date of said event.  That would be both him and me.   I never imagined that they could become so blatant about breaking the laws against theft.  Now I know a little better that they will do anything, repeat anything, to kick the can another inch.  I am beginning to think that it will take nuclear fireballs on TV before the sheeple even quit grazing for a second. 

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment CH1
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 I am beginning to think that it will take nuclear fireballs on TV before the sheeple even quit grazing for a second.

I'm not sure that even nukes would wake them up. But hunger will.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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hahahahahaha You are a fucking nutcase with your end of the world shit! Stop calling dates, because eventually you will be right!

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment fleur de lis
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Iceland's example has been noticed. Hungary is making moves to evict the EU spongers and revert to sovereignty. About time.    

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment tempo
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NO collaspe until O is reelected.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:01 | Link to Comment Zola
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Graham is right, just early, and to be honest , any ZH reader claiming he did not lose money bc of a bearish stance and Ben intervention is lying.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Freddie
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For starters, unemployment in Greece as a whole is now over 20%. For Greek youth (aged 15-24) it’s over 50%. The country is in nothing short of a Depression.

20% unemployment in Grease?  That is lower than Hope & Change USA.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Seer
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"20% unemployment in Grease?"

I wonder how Travolta is taking this?

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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He's 'Staying Alive'

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 20:54 | Link to Comment Eric L. Prentis
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My technical analysis model, based on long-term trends in the stock market, predicts the US will slip back into recession in April/May 2012.

http://ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/ijef/article/view/7033

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:02 | Link to Comment Freddie
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It never got out of a recession.  Stop smoking hopium.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 20:46 | Link to Comment skepticCarl
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Same article, different day.  Same ol'd Graham shilling his newsletter.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:05 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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He was wrong last Fall...but this time he's right!   No....really this time.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Anyone
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"We’ve just witnessed this in Iceland, which did the following between 2008 and 2011:
Had its banks default on $85 billion in debt (the country’s GDP is just $13 billion)...."

Is there a list of who lost these $85 billion?

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Maybe the Icelanders would let us house Corzine, Dimon, and Blankfein in one of their prisons.  Throw them a cold fish once a day.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Graham, where are your lovely charts with the technical indicators predicting a fall... i miss them if only to collect as another 'SOS' passes us by serinely

Ok i haven't nearly as many of your scrapped charts as i have of those goons over at Elliott Wave but still, it's the thought (panic attack) that counts

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment The Trade Group
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I am this guy's biggest critic, he has been wrong for 2 years, but I will give him credit for putting a date on this. 

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:35 | Link to Comment derek_vineyard
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He has to, its hail mary time for his career.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Hedgetard55
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Graham is right, but has been early. The whole fucking shithouse is gonna fall, and where are you fucking shit for brains bitchers gonna be?

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:53 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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There aren't a lot of people who read zerohedge regularly who don't agree with him generally speaking, BUT I've learned the hard way that good timing is much more important than being generally right. Still this post is better than most having new info and specifics to watch.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Exactly. We don't have to agree with everything we read. More importantly we need to be exposed to different angles and from there we can draw our conclusions and plans.

Making predictions can be bad for reputation but at least someone is willing to give it a go.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Graham has gone from technical analysis accompanied by supporting charts (they failed) to what now looks like pure guess-work with not a technical indicator, chart or trigger in sight

i think you're new here Hedgetard, just stick around and watch Graham lose his marbles here at ZH every week, you get used to it after a while

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:57 | Link to Comment The Swedish Chef
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He doesn´t lose his marbles, he pays the Tylers to post ads for his crappy news letter....

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Not Too Important
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Which is it? Spain doesn't need Iran's oil:

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2012/04/11/Spains-Reps...

Or they're going broke faster than Benny can hit the print button:

http://arabiangazette.com/iran-spain-oil-supply-disrupted/

Those are some nasty numbers. Does Germany and Italy not need Iran's oil, either?

Peak oil is a bitch.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment jse111
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The probability of Europe collapsing near term is less likely than my Johnson growing 4-inches if I with due diligence follow the Ron Jeremy Extracorporeal Development Plan!

“C-mon Man!”

 

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:25 | Link to Comment q99x2
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'2. Jailed the bankers responsible for committing fraud during the bubble.'

In the meantime BTFD.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yeah, I thought that this was a stretch, as I don't recall anyone from GS being put in the slammer.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:07 | Link to Comment The Swedish Chef
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Didn´t read the garbage ad but it´s nice to have a specific date to came back with in autum to lash your no good predictions with...

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:05 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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Well, even a broken clock is occasionally right. Better early than late, I guess.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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I read the whole thing thru twice, and I still don't see why he says Europe will collapse by June. He seems to be basing it on the dates of the Irish referendum plus the French election, compounded by "sell in May and go away". Nothing very compelling there, but maybe I'm just too old and drunk to see it.

Anway, AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART, Europe is NOT going to collapse. It is only the "Eurocracy" that will collapse, and Europe will be the better for it, at least until the Croatians find the key to the armory.

I'm pretty sure Paris will still be there if you want to meet Hemingway and Dali at midnight, Spain will be right where Juan Carlos left it, and Moldova will still be squashed in there between the Romanians and the Cossacks.  All this Chicken Little hyperventilating about "COLLAPSE!!" is just the elites slobbering in fear that the masses will realize a full-bore frontal default would be the best possible outcome.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:04 | Link to Comment max2205
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Well it's nice to hear you apologize BUT

Now you are adding a bunch of words to spin your tail.

You don't trade on chrystal ball scenarios!

Damn. Just give it up. You got your 5% IWM correction. Go long for jimminy sake

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 18:58 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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(yawn)

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 20:28 | Link to Comment philipat
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Is that May/June 2012?

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:32 | Link to Comment derek_vineyard
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So if the crash doesn't happen May/June 2012 you will finally admit you are wrong?

Sounds like everyone at naz 2000, 3000 and 4000  ...all broke before the crash at 5000+

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 23:02 | Link to Comment RoadKill
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Not true. I got in on the shortside at Nasdaq 4K USING LEAP PUTS and survived it going to 5K to make a ton of $. Last fall turned out to be early too... But made enough money to survive this rip to 1,450 and am still ahead. The point is you have to be dynamic and cant just put a short on and go to sleep. I think this summer/fall will be "it" too. By that I mean SPX TO 800, DAX to 4k and Euro below parity. But if it doesnt happen, hopefully I dtill grind out some profits. Also I think Grahms "reasons" arent very compelling. My reasons are: Corporate margins have started to roll. Corporate Earnings as % of GDP will go from 8% to 5% like a normal business cycle. Corporations will go back to laying off people. Ohh abd seasonal adj go negative in April/May. Fiscal cliff in US in 2013, new debt ceiling crisis and 2nd rate cut in US. China slows to 5% or less. Europe recession worsens. EPS estimates are backloaded (+1% in Q1 +5% in Q3 +15% in Q4). So well start having big misses.

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