Senator Church’s Prophetic Warning
Senator Frank Church – who chaired the famous “Church Committee” into the unlawful FBI Cointel program, and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – said in 1975:
“Th[e National Security Agency's] capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.“
Now, the NSA is building a $2 billion dollar facility in Utah which will use the world’s most powerful supercomputer to monitor virtually all phone calls, emails, internet usage, purchases and rentals, break all encryption, and then store everyone’s data permanently.
The former head of the program for the NSA recently held his thumb and forefinger close together, and said:
We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state
So Senator Church’s warning was prophetic.
Spying Began Before 9/11
While you might assume that the NSA’s spying on Americans is a response to 9/11, the government’s illegal spying on Americans actually began before 9/11.
Bloomberg reported in 2006:
The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.
“The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,” plaintiff’s lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. “This undermines that assertion.”
“The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither confirm nor deny AT&T’s participation in the alleged NSA program because doing so would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national security’ and would violate both civil and criminal statutes,” AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said in an e-mail.
U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman Don Weber declined to comment.
In other words, the NSA’s trashing of the constitutional rights of American citizens had nothing to do with 9/11.
NSA Heard the 9/11 Hijackers’ Plans from Their Own Mouths … But Didn’t Stop Them
Indeed, the NSA was listening in on the 9/11 hijackers’ phone calls before 9/11, but didn’t do a whole lot to stop them:
- The National Security Agency and the FBI were each independently listening in on the phone calls between the supposed mastermind of the attacks and the lead hijacker. Indeed, the FBI built its own antenna in Madagascar specifically to listen in on the mastermind’s phone calls
- According to various sources, on the day before 9/11, the mastermind told the lead hijacker “tomorrow is zero hour” and gave final approval for the attacks. The NSA intercepted the message that day and the FBI was likely also monitoring the mastermind’s phone calls
- Shortly before 9/11, the NSA also intercepted multiple phone calls to the United States from Bin Laden’s chief of operations
- According to the Sunday Herald, two days before 9/11, Bin Laden called his stepmother and told her “In two days, you’re going to hear big news and you’re not going to hear from me for a while.” U.S. officials later told CNN that “in recent years they’ve been able to monitor some of Bin Laden’s telephone communications with his [step]mother. Bin Laden at the time was using a satellite telephone, and the signals were intercepted and sometimes recorded.” Indeed, before 9/11, to impress important visitors, NSA analysts would occasionally play audio tapes of bin Laden talking to his stepmother.
- And according to CBS News, at 9:53 a.m on 9/11, just 15 minutes after the hijacked plane had hit the Pentagon, “the National Security Agency, which monitors communications worldwide, intercepted a phone call from one of Osama bin Laden’s operatives in Afghanistan to a phone number in the former
Soviet Republic of Georgia”, and secretary of Defense Rumsfeld learned about the intercepted phone call in real-time (if the NSA monitored and transcribed phone calls in real-time on 9/11, that implies that it probably did so in the months leading up to 9/11 as well)
As we reported in 2008, the NSA even monitored the hijackers within the United States:
We’ve previously pointed out that the U.S. government heard the 9/11 plans from the hijackers’ own mouth. Most of what we wrote about involved the NSA and other intelligence services tapping top Al Qaeda operatives’ phone calls outside the U.S.
However, as leading NSA expert James Bamford - the Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings for almost a decade, winner of a number of journalism awards for coverage national security issues, whose articles have appeared in dozens of publications, including cover stories for the New York Times Magazine, Washington Post Magazine, and the Los Angeles Times Magazine, and the only author to write any books (he wrote 3) on the NSA – reports, the NSA was also tapping the hijackers’ phone calls inside the U.S.
Specifically, hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi lived in San Diego, California, for 2 years before 9/11. Numerous phone calls between al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi in San Diego and a high-level Al Qaeda operations base in Yemen were made in those 2 years.
The NSA had been tapping and eavesdropping on all calls made from that Yemen phone for years. So NSA recorded all of these phone calls.
Indeed, the CIA knew as far back as 1999 that al-Mihdhar was coming to the U.S. Specifically, in 1999, CIA operatives tailing al-Mihdha in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, obtained a copy of his passport. It contained visas for both Malaysia and the U.S., so they knew it was likely he would go from Kuala Lumpur to America.
ABC News reported in 2002:
Shortly before Sept. 11, NSA intercepts detected multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden’s chief of operations, to the United States. The intercepts were never passed on.
And Raw Story wrote in 2008:
Author James Bamford looked into the performance of the NSA … and found that it had been closely monitoring the 9/11 hijackers as they moved freely around the United States and communicated with Osama bin Laden’s operations center in Yemen. The NSA had even tapped bin Laden’s satellite phone, starting in 1996.
“The NSA never alerted any other agency that the terrorists were in the United States and moving across the country towards Washington,” Bamford told PBS.
PBS also found that “the 9/11 Commission never looked closely into NSA’s role in the broad intelligence breakdown behind the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. If they had, they would have understood the full extent to which the agency had major pieces of the puzzle but never put them together or disclosed their entire body of knowledge to the CIA and the FBI.”
In a review of Bamford’s book, former senator and 9/11 Commission member Bob Kerrey wrote, “As the 9/11 Commission later established, U.S. intelligence officials knew that al-Qaeda had held a planning meeting in Malaysia, found out the names of two recruits who had been present — Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — and suspected that one and maybe both of them had flown to Los Angeles. Bamford reveals that the NSA had been eavesdropping for months on their calls to Yemen, yet the agency ‘never made the effort’ to trace where the calls originated. ‘At any time, had the FBI been notified, they could have found Hazmi in a matter of seconds.’”
Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer told PBS, “None of this information that we’re speaking about this evening’s in the 9/11 Commission report. They simply ignored all of it.”
Spying Unrelated to Keeping Us Safe
As we’ve previously documented, the spying isn’t being done to keep us safe … but to crush dissent …
and to help the too big to fail businesses compete against smaller businesses (and here).
Indeed, the NSA monitoring efforts will not focus on spying on potential terrorists – or even criminal activity – but in recording every phone call, email, internet search or other communication in the country.
Not Just the NSA: Other Agencies and Shady Foreign Groups Spying on Americans As Well
It’s not just the NSA.
As Nat Hentoff writes:
Thirty years after Church’s principled stand, the Washington Post reported that the NSA had already been enlisting other intelligence
agencies to assist its surveillance of “people inside the country suspected of having terrorist connections” (“Bush Authorized Domestic Spying,” Dan Eggen, Dec. 16, 2005).
On what basis? That’s classified.
And Bamford reports that shady companies with ties to Israel are wiretapping Americans for the NSA:
One of the [National Security] agency’s biggest secrets is just how careless it is with that ocean of very private and very personal communications, much of it to and from Americans. Increasingly, obscure and questionable contractors — not government employees — install the taps, run the agency’s eavesdropping infrastructure, and do the listening and analysis.
And with some of the key companies building the U.S.’s surveillance infrastructure for the digital age employing unstable employees, crooked executives, and having troubling ties to foreign intelligence services, it’s not clear that Americans should trust the secretive agency ….
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Secretive contractors with questionable histories and little oversight were also used to do the actual bugging of the entire U.S. telecommunications network.
According to a former Verizon employee briefed on the program, Verint, owned by Comverse Technology, taps the communication lines at Verizon, which I first reported in my book The Shadow Factory in 2008. Verint did not return a call seeking comment, while Verizon said it does not comment on such matters.
At AT&T the wiretapping rooms are powered by software and hardware from Narus, now owned by Boeing, a discovery made by AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein in 2004. Narus did not return a call seeking comment.
What is especially troubling is that both companies have had extensive ties to Israel, as well as links to that country’s intelligence service, a country with a long and aggressive history of spying on the U.S.
In fact, according to Binney, the advanced analytical and data mining software the NSA had developed for both its worldwide and international eavesdropping operations was secretly passed to Israel by a mid-level employee, apparently with close connections to the country. The employee, a technical director in the Operations Directorate, “who was a very strong supporter of Israel,” said Binney, “gave, unbeknownst to us, he gave the software that we had, doing these fast rates, to the Israelis.”
Because of his position, it was something Binney should have been alerted to, but wasn’t.
“In addition to being the technical director,” he said, “I was the chair of the TAP, it’s the Technical Advisory Panel, the foreign relations council. We’re supposed to know what all these foreign countries, technically what they’re doing…. They didn’t do this that way, it was under the table.” After discovering the secret transfer of the technology, Binney argued that the agency simply pass it to them officially, and in that way get something in return, such as access to communications terminals. “So we gave it to them for switches,” he said.
“For access.”
But Binney now suspects that Israeli intelligence in turn passed the technology on to Israeli companies who operate in countries around the world, including the U.S. In return, the companies could act as extensions of Israeli intelligence and pass critical military, economic and diplomatic information back to them. “And then five years later, four or five years later, you see a Narus device,” he said. “I think there’s a connection there, we don’t know for sure.”
Narus was formed in Israel in November 1997 by six Israelis with much of its money coming from Walden Israel, an Israeli venture capital company. Its founder and
former chairman, Ori Cohen, once told Israel’s Fortune Magazine that his partners have done technology work for Israeli intelligence. And among the five founders was Stanislav Khirman, a husky, bearded Russian who had previously worked for Elta Systems, Inc. A division of Israel Aerospace Industries, Ltd., Elta specializes in developing advanced eavesdropping systems for Israeli defense and intelligence organizations. At Narus, Khirman became the chief technology officer.
A few years ago, Narus boasted that it is “known for its ability to capture and collect data from the largest networks around the world.”
The company says its equipment is capable of “providing unparalleled monitoring and intercept capabilities to service providers and government organizations around the world” and that “Anything that comes through [an Internet protocol network], we can record. We can reconstruct all of their e-mails, along with attachments, see what Web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their [Voice over Internet Protocol] calls.”
Like Narus, Verint was founded by in Israel by Israelis, including Jacob “Kobi” Alexander, a former Israeli intelligence officer. Some 800 employees work for Verint, including 350 who are based in Israel, primarily working in research and development and operations, according to the Jerusalem Post. Among its products is STAR-GATE, which according to the company’s sales literature, lets “service providers … access communications on virtually any type of network, retain communication data for as long as required, and query and deliver content and data …” and was “[d]esigned to manage vast numbers of targets, concurrent sessions, call data records, and communications.”
In a rare and candid admission to Forbes, Retired Brig. Gen. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the highly secret Unit 8200, Israel’s NSA, noted his former organization’s influence on Comverse, which owns Verint, as well as other Israeli companies that dominate the U.S. eavesdropping and surveillance market. “Take NICE, Comverse and Check Point for example, three of the largest high-tech companies, which were all directly influenced by 8200 technology,” said Gefen. “Check Point was founded by Unit alumni. Comverse’s main product, the Logger, is based on the Unit’s technology.”
According to a former chief of Unit 8200, both the veterans of the group and much of the high-tech intelligence equipment they developed are now employed in high-tech firms around the world. “Cautious estimates indicate that in the past few years,” he told a reporter for the Israeli newspaper Ha’artez in 2000, “Unit 8200 veterans have set up some 30 to 40 high-tech companies, including 5 to 10 that were floated on Wall Street.” Referred to only as “Brigadier General B,” he added, “This correlation between serving in the intelligence Unit 8200 and starting successful high-tech companies is not coincidental: Many of the technologies in use around the world and developed in Israel were originally military technologies and were developed and improved by Unit veterans.”
Equally troubling is the issue of corruption. Kobi Alexander, the founder and former chairman of Verint, is now a fugitive, wanted by the FBI on nearly three dozen charges of fraud, theft, lying, bribery, money laundering and other crimes. And two of his top associates at Comverse, Chief Financial Officer David Kreinberg and former General Counsel William F. Sorin, were also indicted in the scheme and later pleaded guilty, with both serving time in prison and paying millions of dollars in fines and penalties.
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It is easy to spot like a Chinese citizenism citizen crapping on side of unblemished road. Very soon, though, road no longer is unblemished due to blobbing up of roadside crapping. The result just then is that aberrant roadside crapping behaviour becomes the herd behaviour, so much easier to hide single roadside crapping Chinese citizenism citizen when white canvas of roadside is become brown canvas.
Yes, now in agreement, as explained above by blobbing up of Chinese citizenism citizen roadside crapping.
Made me laugh. Obvious answer is future of Chinese citizenism masquerading as US citizenism.
Fake encrypted messages can be sent that are impossible to decrypt, since they weren't a real message to start with (but they don't know that so they need to keep trying). GIGO. All processing time their system uses trying to decrypt such a "message" is wasted. Like IEDs, it's asymmetrical warfare.
It's asymmetrical warfare.
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Indeed.
Save you spent time on your own algorithms, they can spy at the source.
It will be their job (id est the surveillance activity is monetized) while you will derive revenues from other sources to try to blind their eyes.
The sender and the receiver will need a key to read your encrypted message.
While the others get paid to maintain the necessary protocols to maintain the efficiency of encryption, through regular updating of procedures and routines, you will have to fund from other revenues your effort to avoid your behaviour being recorded.
You have multiple contacts, centralized, non centralized networks, who holds the keys? Who is going to be willing to play that little costy game over time?
Full time professional jobs vs part time amateur jobs.
Reads like the markets, the traders and the rest.
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Will be outsourced to Chinese citizenism government.
They have the citizen surveillance thing down bigtime. Professionalism.
"how about an app that runs fake, randdom Google searchers continually?"
With that approach you will play write into their hands. They do not need all the data at once. If you name gets on the shit list some brownshirt will be assigned to call up your file, comb through your real and "random" searches, find anything or make up their own crap, get a National Security Letter (prolly because of your random searches accidently went to a website for a gun store, weed shop, porn site, or gasp a communist propaganda site) and you will be specifically tracked anywhere you go. And remeber, the proesutor only brings for the "evidence" that they think will make you look bad, nothing to help. If you want access to those files, sorry their top secret. What these brownshirts are doing is developing the capability to manufacture incriminating evidece to interrogate you, block you from flying, renting a car, getting a mortage or credit car, block your internet access, block your financial transactions and prevent you from making a living. One push of a bottom and you are F U C K E D. That's what this is.
VPN is dispensed with quickly with decyphering, say in a data center.
"For exmple, how about an app that runs fake, randdom Google searchers continually?"
It's called "trackmenot" and some college kid already wrote it a couple of years ago. It uses an idential user agent to the browser it runs in so it can't be filtered out that way. As for the search queries, they are generated by a parsing algorithm that uses RSS feeds from big news sites like the New York Times. But the RSS feeds can be customized if desired.
"Thirdly, people can move their email outside of US jurisdication and use a VPN."
First of all, very few places are actually outside of US jurisdiction. Maybe Switzerland, maybe.
Second of all, email is sent in plain text. Therefore, it doesn't matter if your email is hosted in North Fucking Korea because all of the email is going across the wire in plain text and can be intercepted at any point along the way. The best way to protect your email communications is to run your own mail server, keep it patched and updated, monitor the logs for signs of intrusion, and then ONLY send and receive strongly encrypted email. But that means all the people you communicate with have to be using compatible encryption solutions. And they won't be.
Third, standard VPNs are trivial to defeat. All it is is an encrypted tunnel from point A to point B whereupon the traffic exits point B in plain text. Hardly a challenge.
JonDo and similar architectures (like crypto hippy) might not be so easily defeated. It has a much better infrastructure than most VPN providers.
You're spot-on. The East German Stasi became so adept at collecting information, that they drowned in it. I suppose dissenters could encrypt huge numbers of large files composed of random gibberish and distribute them widely...that'll give the supercomputers something to chew on...
Really? Stasi times' technology is of course as efficient as it is today.
How did the Stasi collect? By stalking, paying informants, asking janitors?
Very similar indeed of the web US citizens have worked and invested so much resources to develop.
Why do US citizens keep comparing themselves to small league players?
Like comparing China and Tibet/Taiwan to any land grabbing achieved by US citizens?
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Ah, ah, we see the shame of Tibet and Taiwan bubbling to the Yangtze River Dolphinism surface.
The shame that must be repressed or else losing face.
Best Chinese citizenism method of repressing shame is by advocating US citizenism.
As is here illustrated the case.
Right on Pro. However many ZH'er are dumbass 99%er kids who grew up on the propaganda of MSM & the History channel. Never had to think critically about assertions like Georgie makes.
You need to work on that hostility complex. How can honestly sit here and side with the NSA's policy of spying on US CITIZENS?
I didn't & don't Dave. Obviously you don't read what I write.
Frank Church, how quaint, democrats used to worry about the tyranny of the state.
this is a repost from another topic.. but I think the info could be used by all here reading this as well.. God Love and God Bless YOU! ALL!!
I don’t think Israel needs Egypt’s Natural gas now that Israel controls Americas Oil Supply coming out of Iraq!
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=Xw#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=israel+iraq+oil+pipeline
looks like Americas Crude will be of a lesser quality than it used to be and twice as expensive!
maybe America can spend another $70 - $80 Billion a Year Subsidizing Israel’s Energy Needs! LOL!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvu-W2UXN5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pVN16IX0K0
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IB85066.pdf
We pay for Israel’s Guns, Bullets, Cash Needs and now!! America will be paying for Israel’s Energy too!
Can I claim those slick fuckers as dependants on my taxes?
It will NEVER!! Be enough!
Why not scam all of your needs from Ignorant Goys?
Our Manufacturing Base has been moved to China!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/02/14/intelligence-community-fears-u-s-manufacturing-decline/
Our Schools pump out Ignorant Sheep!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9069323583494421392#
Our Rights are being widdled away! MORE! And MORE!! EVERY YEAR!!
http://www.inquisitr.com/206017/president-obama-signs-anti-protest-bill-h-r-347/
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/02/houses-passes-new-bill-that-would-make.html
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Now that the Pesky First Amendment is out of the way.. let’s hope they come for the second!
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_security_agency_whistleblower_william
Why NOT! pay for Israel? Too??
We already do!
We pay for Israel to buys American Stocks in the NEW, NEW NORMAL!! Of Open Market Operations!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/next-leg-ponzi-revealed-central-banks-begin-buying-us-stocks-outright-starting-today
Let’s give away everything.. so the Top 400 can have ever more.. and so the our Lobby Whores in Washington DC can be bought off for Penny’s on the Dollar!
https://plus.google.com/116509494357652702111/posts/UsP3gPgDp77#116509494357652702111/posts/UsP3gPgDp77
Don’t Worry!! The NSA is building a new operation to track every fucking word anyone speaks on planet Earth.. but the SAME! NSA!! Lets AIPAC control who is elected to Congress and the Senate?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/%E2%80%9Cwe-are-far-turnkey-totalitarian-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013
I guess some Rich Fucker Lost America in a Poker Game to Israel and China! And they are now just draining the Country for what they rightly won from our Owner!
Wake me when you want to go hang some Treasonous Fucks!
They arranged for LBJ to be President just like he always wanted. That should be worth something.
How does the saying go... something like when secret agencies/groups start revealing themselves publicly ... they are near their peak?
since the death of j.e. Hoover at the FBI, things are, or have become much more normal and in line. the fbi is perhaps the best security that america has by far. dedicated with "Law Abiding Agent's" that stay within the boundaries of int'l law and domestic law, period! it was the 'cia' that fucked everything-up since day one. going back to nixon! george tenet should be prosecuted as a POS enabler. the fbi has been on top of everything, and always ahead of the curve regarding our national security. tenet's cia tossed [political yes-men, don't make for good watchdogs -never knowing how to say no to their master] the empirical data out regarding 911,... just as they [prior cia] did during the reagan administration regarding AQ Khan the father of pakistans atomic bomb. basically america paid for pakistans development while reagan and the cia did nothing about it. since, pakistan has proliferated WMD to every muslim terrorist country or individual pay-for-wmd's groupie in the world. it only gets worse, so i'll stop here.
please don't blame the fbi...
Ps. there were a lot of career agents also in the cia that lost everything standing up for what they believed in, but the 'doj & dod' stuck it up their ass.
Bush #41 & #43, plus Cheney should be tried for war crimes, PERIOD!!!
jmo gw
@earleflorida
The FBI mostly definitely needs to be held accountable.
Think back to before 9/11. FBI regional reports to HQ about suspicious activity of Arab foreigners taking flying lessons of large passenger aircraft .... the report gets ignored by HQ. So, after 9/11, do FBI heads roll? NOOOO.
And recently, what's with the FBI spouting off about people paying with cash in coffee shops being terrorists?
Obviously the top echelons in the FBI have been infiltrated by Bankster agents.
Think that is tinfoil conspiracy stuff? Then consider this quote from the 28th U.S. President
"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
What, you all think Woodrow Wilson was referring to the Mafia? Hell, it was the banking cabal.
The same cabal President Andrew Jackson make it a personal vendetta to thwart.
Our government is infected with a cancer, a virus, and it stems from those who have a monopoly on the creation of 'money' and accrue the windfall of compound interest.
It's easy for these folks to buy off the craven. This includes the FBI, NSA and the Military.
And of course ... the politician whores.
The FBI is part of the machine. They are there to take out the targets, coverup, commit crimes, leak info, organize the crime (that's why its called organized crime the criminals work with the FBI).
Honestly, I think the whole system will be like a 5" claymore sword in the hands of a six year old girl.
Even with today's fastest computing systems, you will not be able to properly analyze and disseminate data in a timely manner, and all of this will still take a human operator somewhere in the chain. Every year, as information technology becomes faster and faster, larger and larger, the system itself will have to keep ahead of it, and will become obsolete in a very short time in its capability working with such incredibly large volumes of information.
I don't believe it will work. It will be information overload on the largest of scales.
Ten months prior to 9/11/01, it is publicly announced the Financial Management staff (D.I.A.) at the Pentagon is undertaking a DoD-wide audit.
One day prior to 9/11/01, the comptroller of the Pentagon announces the results of that audit: $2.3 trillion unaccounted for.
Seven hours prior to the morning of 9/11/01, a last-minute email is sent out requesting the presence of all onsite and offsite Financial Management staffers to report that morning for conference (located by the Pentagon's west wall).
That morning on 9/11/01, an airliner performs some amazing aeriel feats, flying directly deadcenter into the Pentagon's west wall, killing or severely injuring almost the entire Financial Management staff from the D.I.A./DoD.
But, as many Ameritards would say, nobody would ever kill for a lousy $2 trillion ! ! !
http://soundprint.org:8080/ramgen/documentaries/w/we_were_on_duty.rm
An NSA or military czar might decide to turn the tables on the NWO and take out the elite. That is the path of least resistance and the most profitable route to take. The oportune time would be to do it as the revolution starts to physically turn against the NWO across Europe and the US. After that we will have real serious problems.
The military is not going to let a good revolution go to waste.
I would like to think that Alex Jones is solely there for the good of the country. But his good intentions probably match perfectly with an entity's deeper more powerful motives.
I remember taking part in "Fuck Echelon Days" where everyone who sent an email would include these kinds of words:
bomb explosion building truck government overthrow terrorism assasination etc...
Perhaps it's time we all do that on a reguliar basis.
Anonymous are you listening?
It's been a while.
That's a great idea ! Overflow the bastards with info they can't make use of ! Maybe the super computer, over loaded with such as you sugest will blow up, taking a whole shitload of those bastards with it !!!!! FUCK THEM ALL FOR THEY ARE COMMITTING TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICA PUBLIC - NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND !
Yes. That was the idea...and it would go on for days sometimes.
It was intermittent...spready by word of mouth...the words were different...(you could of course add your own)...and in various combinattions.
You get the picture.
Wow! It has been a while--
http://slashdot.org/story/99/10/18/1419245/october-21-is-jam-echelon-day
bomb building government C4 plane overthrow assasination end the fed stay in bed happy earth day fuck the nsa occupy a tree save the bees
Let's just start now...
I will give up arrows to anyone who can do clever rhymes.
if each man, woman, child in the US, would place just $1.00 into the kitty, you'd have $350M to fund an army of soldiers to take back your country! soldiers are being injected with poison, and am sure they would gladly help to stage a coup! imagine what $2.00 could do! NOW, GO DO IT ALREADY!!!!!!
What sort of army can you fund with 350M? At minimum wage you could barely even fund a single division if even that assuming everyone provides their own weapons and ammo.
If and when the time comes that the armed population in the hinterlands gets fed up, money isnt going to be the issue. As it stands now, most of the population in both parties and the overwhelming majority of the urban populace would trade every shred of freedom and choice left for a couple of candy bars, free cable TV, and government promises that they will be safe.
the alleged radical islamists were in Las Vegas partying before the attack. the US recently killed the radical cleric the two attackers met in SD a few weeks before 9/11 (american citizen) by drone attack in Yemen. later the two 9/11 attackers made contact with some Salvadorans on the East Coast who provided them false papers. (an illegal Salvadoran immigrant gang member murdered Chandra Levi, near DC, evidence the police ignored for almost a decade pointed to him and not Gary Condit, remember the US since Reagan and Bush One had the CIA all over central america stirring up mischief, and running drugs) Bin Laden and the attackers are not who we thought they were, which is why Bin Laden was murdered execution style and his body thrown into the ocean. the bullshit is so deep in America almost any kind of weed will grow. and Obama had not one inch of curiousity about any of it. funny isn't it?
thedailybell.com/2211/Benazir-Bhutto-Bin-Laden-Was-Murdered.html"
A famous POGO quote comes to mind.
this should create a market for privacy.
http://expose2.wordpress.com
There are innumerable ways to "fight back," but only for people who have balls.
Not many of those left.
As confirmation of your comments on everything needed prior to 9/11 to stop the attacks, watch PBS' The Spy Factory. It's about the NSA, but it confirms what you say about what was known prior to 9/11. Answer: enough to have stopped it. Why wasn't it stopped?: bureaucratic incompetence and inter-agency secrecy.
Video:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/spy-factory.html
So, then why do we need this?:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/topsecretamerica/
and this?:
The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
and this?:
Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_security_agency...
SIMPLE. Because whenever government screws up, they will claim that it's not because of bureaucratic incompetence and inter-agency secrecy, but because they didn't have enough capability. Thus, OBL's attack set in motion this nation's descent into a total police state or, at the very least, the creation of the infrastructure and personnel needed to establish one. Now, your only protection is the "good intentions" of those who control it.
ORLY?
Professional engineer Jon Cole cuts steel columns with thermate, debunks Nat Geo & unexpectedly repr, page 1
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Proof that Thermite can cut a vertical column
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpPNRrylH00&feature=player_embedded
Uploaded by NanoThermite911 on Nov 11, 2010
Credits to Jonathan Cole P.E. for putting together this video together showing his experiments to test claims made about thermite by the Mainstream media in their efforts to cover up the truth about 9/11 and the evidence for thermitic materials found by independent scientific researchers who tested samples of dust to look for explosives, and oddly found nanothermite...
After an extensive 5 year investigation we have finally figured out a couple possible options that should be investigated to figure out exactly who could have placed nanothermite demolition charges in the WTCs.
Nanothermite Patent Description:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5532449/description.html
Kevin Ryan's recent article on who had "Demolition access to the WTC Towers":
Tenants:
http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p1.html
Security:
http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p2.html
Convergence:
http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/carlyle_kissinger_saic_halliburton.html
Clean Up:
http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p4.html
Kevin Ryan's Paper "The Top Ten Connections between NIST and nanothermite":
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html
Kevin Ryan's Website:
http://www.ultruth.com/Kevin_Ryan.htm
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Excellent points so why again do 90% of the structural engineers disagree?
Cause your jew hate whack job sources know more?
Why again did they hinge a war on WMDS and then not plant them there?
Oh they forgot.
The government needs to rule people's lives, that should be the one apparent thing that instantly comes to mind to anyone who comes to this site.
Absent civilization dictating their existence, they would be balled up in a fetal position in the gutter.
The only people who can afford to completely lack any cognitive skills whatsoever are folks who have never once had to actually make a substantive decision. Or they would not exist without government.
Case in point jew hating imbecile above had no qualms whatsoever posting his real identity on this site which in less than 4 secs led to his address in South Florida. Who does that? Total fucking imbeciles who have never once made a critical decision in their lives.
@ JW
Have you considered the possibility of Directed Energy Weapons? I'm not advocating for that position, I just think it's worth examining.
You may want to check out Dr Judy Wood who did some work on the subject.
And don't forget about Hurricane Erin. Heading on a direct path towards NY on Sept. 11. Then all of a sudden, stopped in its tracks and heads directly AWAY from the East Coast:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/prelims/2001erin1.gif
Carless, u sounds like ur referring to some of them LizaRD MEN KRugman was speaking OV earlier today
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/what-we-talk-about-when-we-t...
So what's the pedophile reference about considering Sarko's got presidential model sex slave?
The only answer is to amend the Constitution to expressly prohibit this kind of activity. We could take our country back with that and a few other simple amendments:
1) term limits to prevent career politicians, which would eliminate much of the corruption by itself because much of what draws sociopaths to politics is the power generated by the potential of holding office for decades;
2) undo Citizens United, and ban organized lobbying by corporations and industry groups, and prohibiting lobbying in any form by former politicians;
3) [this would be tough to implement but worth trying] prohibit all but small individual contributions from political races, and put a cap on how much any candidate can spend of their own money to help prevent the Romneys of the world from simply using their personal wealth to gain votes.
"The only answer is to amend the Constitution to expressly prohibit this kind of activity."
Economist Milton Friedman said that the real number that counts in Washington is the amount government spends. This is beacuse government has many ways of acquiring the money to spend, such as taxing, borrowing, or inflating, but it must appropriate every penny and write the check.
A better answer to this outrage is to strangle government financially so that such projects are impossible due to funding priorites. Kill many birds with one amendmendment that forbids government from being self-funding, from spending more than it takes in, and gives the States power over the total level of debt.
Indeed, I have heard of such an amendment, but cannot recall its specific name. There are several being floated but this is the only one that allows the States to limit federal debt.
The only answer is to amend the Constitution to expressly prohibit this kind of activity.
There is no salvation in politics, friend. None.
I disagree. Take away government, and the people who currently corrupt it no longer have a middle man. They will elect themselves by force, and you will pay tribute rather than tax. And you think your rights are encroached upon now in a society where at least there is some semblance of free elections? Try a society of unelected warlords. They will make the rules and you will have no say. I realize that I'm talking to a wall because I've read your prior posts advocating no government, but really. Think about how it would actually play out in the real world. Unless you think you'd become the warlord, I suppose. The odds are against you, friend.
@LTER
If you think a warlord rules by force, then you are more deluded and confused than I ever imagined.
Think about it: Without the respect of those beneath him, how the fuck do you think he'll command RESPECT?! Because force isn't enough to get people to throw down for you, especially when any one of them could pull a pistol and blow your brains out: You need something far, far bigger to get free men to fight and maybe die.
Wake up.
Mexican drug cartels are warlords.
If the drugs they sell were decriminalized, they would be out of business or at least not very profitable. Government has given them a monopoly by putting their competitors in jail.
The odds are against him and most others mostly because the way the discussion on these matters is framed. Government doesn't work? Fine let's get rid of it let the 'free market' reign say the Austrian libertarians. Wait, what about making corrections and amending it? No, that cannot be done because, well government can't do anything right. How come? Errr... Uh...
This is your dialogue ad infinitum pertaining to these matters. As for your comment of corporate personhood up above, I disagree, it does exist, case in point: Mittens who manages to look, sound and probably even smell like a corporate boardroom is the perfect depiction of a corporate humanoid.
The same old Hobbesian canard. Scary stories to intimidate anyone looking past the fence.
This is simply not true in real life; certainly not among an armed populace. (Like, say, Americans in 1760.)
Why else do you think that every tyrant is compelled to first disarm the populace?
Hobbes was full of crap. His theory is false. Anarchy is peaceful and resilient. That's why intellectuals and priests are necessary: to convince people to willingly obey the boss. Pure force is way too expensive.